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There was no 1000 years of genetic mixing,i don't know where you get that from,I never said slave trade,sub-saharan trade ������,genetic evidence already proved that Maghreb has not changed genetically majority of them are arabized people culturally,stop following revisionist,is even public record cro magno,proto human found in morocco already proved this,black tuaregs are from sub-sharan africa,lol stop claming people ����

Obalufon:
See how useless you are those one are from sub sahara slave trade ..The same stereotype used by arabize berbers against their blacks .. Over1000yrs of genetic mixing give you the new face of Berbers ..from the DNA analysis Ancient Berber will be like the Sudanese and Ethiopian.. There are dark Tuareg and light skinned Tuareg

Lol indeed,go and read about trans-saharan trade bro that's why we have light skinned berbers in mali,niger,senegal,majority in mauritania even though that's sub-saharan africa,even the black people in the algeria and morocco will tell you they are from sub-saharan africa if you have money go there for yourself,this is what happens when you read history from revisionist books and blogs

Obalufon:
Being black doesn't make you bantu...

Bro,do you have their time,people who get their history from books and blogs,lol I will soon show them a book I have that proves just was a black man

macof:
same missionaries were the ones who made your beloved mecca claim popular by putting it in several books. Without the missionaries the mecca nonsense would have died a long time ago, thank goodness its dying now


so do Portuguese and Dutch records say Yoruba originate from the middle East?
Why bring this up? How is this relevant to your attachment to the middle east?

And FYI, there are already articles and books reviewing Dutch and Portuguese contact with yorubas
Works from Robin Law, Jorge and Isabel Castellanos are just few that I have read and worked with myself


Oduyoye who was a clergy ie. Christian leader, a inheritor of the missionary work
How can you say missionaries wrote nonsense (which I mostly agree with BTW) and then take out oduyoye one of the most radical Christian preachers of his time real cognitive dissonance
You have already shot yourself in the foot before even firing the shot... What a mess

Mumu,those ones are from sub-saharan trade,same way we have light skinned berbers in mali,niger,senegal,please go and read history and stop claiming people

Obalufon:
there are still black Berbers in tunisia morrocco and algeria .. Soon ibos will turn white because they love mixing with caucasian

Books written by who Lol detailed history of people but you need afrocentric revisionism ����

Obalufon:
Books are out there for anyone to read but my head is not in my ass to believe the lies written by white supremacist

So who will write the history you? ����first carthagian hannibal,now arab/berber moors ��� thank God I don't study history from books and blogs

Obalufon:
Yes i will tribal to people that want to drag me in to white man's butt hole ..White man will never write history of black moors ruling Europe for 800 years Senegalese f.uck their DNA into them

Black moors who ruled Europe �������� lol the europeans don't also know their history lol,please research on the moors abeg lol please don't carry all these your afrocentrism to public so you don't embarass yourself,senegal dna,keep telling yourself lies ����,all these your grad one afrocentric revisionist history are not new to me i can even debunk all of this in one sentence but I see you don't like your history so i understand why you need afrocentrism,blackmoors conquered spain,lol mixing blackamoors that was used in renaissance period to muslim moors from north africa ok

Obalufon:
Yes i will tribal to people that want to drag me in to white man's butt hole ..White man will never write history of black moors ruling Europe for 800 years Senegalese f.uck their DNA into them

No one said africa is the same,africa is diverse,lol you're a tribalist all african cultures are unique in their own way.

Obalufon:
The problem is, people trying to merge African together as if we are the same African are not the same, we are so diverse . White want to lump us together to undermine the achievement of advance Africans. it's fact some Africa tribes were backward in human evolution ..

Whiteman cannot your history,the mechanic and hebrew who gave it to you Lol but you can write history of people in north africa and middle east,thank God you known the berber historan and you didn't call that one white man

Obalufon:
white man can not write my own history for me.. One useless guy even refute Ibn battuta account on Yoruba people that lived at the bank of river Niger that were known long distance traveler that trade with the Arabs ,History that our islamic scholars were taught 400yrs ago. we've been writing in Ajami over . over 600 years ago

I can't believe this guy is yoruba muslim������

Beremx:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/390257-muric-says-kano-deaths-suggest-plot-to-depopulate-muslims.html

Bro you have inferior complex,again credible historian,so every History book is written by whitr people,believe am nothing and the history that peddle lies that you came from mecca is the true history ����lol

Obalufon:
What make you historian Mr man, if you read books written by white people is written to let you believe you are nothing ...

Rewrite history,lol it seems you don't have history or even know what history is,if you're claiming Hannibal then you're a joker,oga read history and stop paroding lies under white this or white that,even said Igbo,bloody tribalist forming woke,i read history from credible african historians not revisionists who are looking for history to steal or claim

Obalufon:
Mr white tissue paper only history written by white is considered authentic ..still licking white man's butt hole .you must be ibo right .....I never mentioned hanibbal to be berber Mr man .. Hannibal was black man Mr man accept and stop helping your white master to rewrite history ...read books by African historian

I don't read white history,I read history from credible historians,someone from china can't tell me Indiana history same way someone from nigeria or america will tell me north african history,again i don't do all those revisionist history you get from books and blogs,lol and when you want to get good health care please make sure is from a black man bloody hotep

Obalufon:
Mr white tissue paper only history written by white is considered authentic ..still licking white man's butt hole .you must be ibo right

"Afro-asiatic interpretation" revisionism 101,lol am not even surprised it was written by a nigerian

MetaPhysical:
Guys,
Check the attached. We will talk later. Busy right now.

Particularly TAO. I see where you shared your credentials and proficiency in Arabic and all that. Read Oduyoye.

In fact, I will share some pages later.

Keep throwing insults,bornu empire was it pre-islamic,are you from Borno I thought you were Yoruba,what concerns Borneo and Yoruba ? ����

Obalufon:
We didn't know Sudan till the spread of slam ..you are dunce. man brain dead like a mummy.. Bornu empire encroached Sudan territory and stretched to Libya . We've been trading with Sudan before the spread of Islam

Lol hannibal was black,oga please and pick a history book and stop listening to revisionist,lol am not one of your nairalanders you come to with all these your twist twist history,lol they don't have senegal dna,i don't where you guys cook up this fake history from,hannibal wasn't even berber,he was carthiagian from pheonicians who settle at the shores of modern day tunisia,berbers were the indigenous population,iconography,genetics show they are still the same people,again read credible history,whites have brainwashed as if it's white's that wrote the history of north africa,middle east and asia,lol how someone from nigeria will be writing about other people's history makes me laugh again i do credible history,not all those revisionism you read in books and blog by people who aren't historians

Obalufon:
who are you ..You've been brain washed by white or you are one admixture of blue eyed beast ..Berber were black from the unset before they were biological destroyed by blue eyed women and men....Northern Africa were black Hannibal was black.. go to Italy Spain and Portugal they still retain high percentage of Senegalese DNA in their blood some has Senegalese DNA as high as 25% even more

Stop attaching religious sentiments,you can't know sexual comparability through conversation,is like verbal autopsy or reading a driving manual,for a conservative person or religious person that's OK but you must remember sex is an activity,a virgin won't know weak ejaculation,painful sex,low libido etc through conversations,if not for modern medicine,what happens after sex happens like it always do the body goes on,sex is a natural activity having sex in whether in marriage,in your house,during dating,outside before or whatever your culture/religion is doesn't change that ,if you don't have a sexual history or sexual knowledge of your partner you risk sexual incompatability,hence why sexual activities are encouraged before going into a long-term relationship.

Rozz:
so you are also supporting him, compatibility in every aspect can be known through conversation and other ways.So what happens if you realise you are not compatible after fornication?what becomes of the lady.Please change your mindset too

Lol how do you want to know sexual compatability without having sex You guys are very funny,religious dogmatism have it's perks too,the best is to just hope to meet a partner that shares the same sexual needs with you

Rozz:
so bold,so compatibility cannot be known until you fornicate abi?change your mindset sir

Cheik anta diop that claimed his wolof language came from the egyptian language,you follow father of Afrocentric revisionist����,lol and you didn't know shit about the middle east or even Sudan till spread of islam and Christianity,the only connection was trade with north African berbers so why trying to connect so bad ���

Obalufon:
Stop that Niger congo shit Macof, word used my your oppressors whites race to categorize their colony .Whites don't know anything about us they just use approximity address like Niger and congo .. Upper quinea low Guniea to classify us , go and read books by African scholars Macof ..Cheik Anta Diop

Lol Yoruba indeed it happened in south america and it is documented and recorded,is not a myth or story,east africa Have you seen your map Lol these modern boundaries make you people forget history,sheba ��������������������� funny how all your claims are always similar to jewish traditions again gotten from christianity and lslam.

Obalufon:
RamesseIV?? you need to be a yoruba man or woman to understand our thought process....We always recreate our history anywhere we find our self ..it happened in south american... is east africa too far to you? Ijebu claim they migrated from waddai Sudan ..They having a tomb of sheba is monument for her remembrance ..Ile- Ife is considered the source of mankind ..We have our own garden of eden in ile-ife .. Also gate way to heaven is in ile-ife , History of great flood and ark of Noah ..Replica of tower of babel history how God change our tongue ,,History of giants and prehuman human history spirit world before we acquire flesh to be come human..

Lol he called it "coincidence" and "similiarties" lol the "ajayi crowther" "da rocha family" even voodoo these are wide known influence of yoruba-americanos in nigeria yet someone is putting side by side with speculations,this is what happens when our universities have poor finding,egyptologist and historians have debunked the story of isrealites used as slaves to build the pyramid,such a thing can't happen in nigeria,just imagine historians who consider that sungbo bilikisu is the burial ground of queen of sheba all the way from east africa ���

macof:
I'm beginning to think he actually thinks yorubas aren't in the americas and it's all a lie from the academic world as Yoruba's place as West African natives is a lie

Yoruba were noahdic, from their culture the culture of the Arabs and other semitic people of the near East was derived but Yoruba left the near East and migrated to west Africa at an unimaginable and unknowable time to fit in properly into their new home in West Africa and miraculously their Afro-asiatic language just suddenly developed Niger-Congo elements and lost the Afro-asiatic elements but is still Afro-asiatic because you know, some words like Akaba and Aramean = Oranmiyan still exist

This is one of the issues of practical issues "no sex before marriage" causes if you're the type that don't fancy sex and you marry a man with high libido or +sized penis,your marriage life will just be about you trying to compromise or engagement in it for balance,I advice you talk to him about it about how you feel about it,communications is key,or try to seek medical help to boost your libido so to match up so at least it will pleasurable and not a constant marital obligation you have to participate in which you have no interest for.

Julietsim:
U don't understand. Having sex everyday can be tiring. It also affect the Virgina. U think it is easy for women? It is not. I sometimes have pain because it is too much. We didn't have sex until we were married. I never knew he was like this.

Lol the guy is a guy joker,he is still arguing about Yoruba influence and religion in the Americans ����

macof:
More excuses
That was a response to every point you made.

If it appears jumbled up then that should tell you something about the post it was in response to

����keeping trying to obtuse,did you even read at all,I don't even get your point Oga show us your linkage between Yoruba language and semitic of middle east and stop beating around the bush,they have given you transatlantic slave trade history,genetics,culture religion,what else is your argument,the Santeria religion came from yoruba slaves again transatlantic slave trade stop trying to be obtuse

MetaPhysical:
My brother, abeg this is where I stop for now. We will resume again when you know what Yoruba religion is.

When you get caught you all try to wiggle out with some other nonsense. How hard is it to say where in Yorubaland Santeria is practiced. It is a yes or no.

We will continue sometime again. Sorry that I have to go, got things to do here.

Cheers!

Ad hominem,learning and teaching knowledge indeed,oga where did you get your translation from mecca from Lol all your supposed links have been debunked,again etymology etymology,read up the transatlantic slave trade ���������� that's is where is linkage,is it still there today is not "coincidence" recorded history,you have been derailing,and avoiding answers,your premier makes no sense meet a spanish,or portugese linguist and they will tell you this,again what is the link between the Yoruba language and semitic of the middle east aside your fake translation

MetaPhysical:
My friend, stop all this your nonsense. You have been on this thread since day one and other people have moved past where they were at beginning of it....you remain stuck in the same state and position, not learning and not teaching knowledge.

Is Niger Congo the ultimate yardstick to trace Yoruba ancestry, yes or no? If you say yes, then apply it to quantify spanish and portuguese speaking people you earlier admitted are Yoruba by descent. Use "methodology" to position Portuguese and Spanish into Niger Congo and Kwa grouping.

MetaPhysical:
Puerto Ricans practice Santeria. When a Puerto Rican says Oreca, he is meaning Orisha.
Yet Oreca (Hispanic) and Orisha (Yoruba) are not in same language?

Oreca is not a Niger Congo language. So are these people descended from Yoruba or not?

Some things should just not need academic thesis to make it acceptable.

Yes they do that's why we have etymology,an etymologist will clearly tell you oricha is a latinzed spelling gotten from yoruba word orisha you see history,now show me the historical links to show the etymology between all the examples you have given You have yet to tell use where you got your defintion of kaaba from ohh But go on

Santeria is a Yoruba religion that "spread in the americas" the america is "where it is practiced" "santeria again america",,Yoruba religion doesn't mean it must be from Yoruba land,Yoruba is not limited to south-west Nigeria again read up transaltantic slave trade
Santería developed among Afro-Cuban communities amid the Atlantic slave trade of the 16th to 19th centuries. It arose through the blending of the traditional religions brought to Cuba by "enslaved West Africans", the majority of them "Yoruba", and the Roman Catholic teachings of the Spanish colonialists who then controlled the island i hope you get how the "yoruba religion spread in america" again this fact,fact like you can go enter youtube and see for yourself lol again why are you bringing up African religions in the Americans lol you want to tie yourself so bad,Oga bring evidence he is bringing twisted words ������quote author=MetaPhysical post=88932527]

Which land in Yoruba practice Santeria, and how did you know it is Yoruba religion....what informed this? Remember there is nothing in Yoruba language called Santeria...it is a foreign term.[/quote]

Very true,remember reading about egypt in book of bible stories,or being told in church how arabs are descendants from ishmeal due to his bastard lineage hence the war in the middle east ������,sometimes it really makes ms feel sad they are now teaching schools in the south east that they are descendants of ancient isrealitie,remember an african-american who tried to prove to me that Jesus was a black man,and ancient Arabs and jews were sub-saharans,supposedly since early humans migrated out of africa they were black people and some how some how they got whitenned,I used to take all these serious,till i meet one who argued online that Cleopatra was a black woman,(according to records she is of greek royal ancestry plotemies,that was when I realized is all about claiming and tieing to other cultures

TAO11:
Trust me religion plays a very central role.

People have read too much of Mecca, Isreal, Egypt (including Sudan), Abyssinia (Ethiopia) from the scriptures and have somehow unconciously internalized a certain core of those information as the first principles to proceed with.

If it was simply about foreigness (i.e. if we control for "religion" ), then you should have seen some of their roots theorists also claiming places like India, Japan, Australia, China, New Zealand, Korea, etc.

But notice that these places which are conspicuously absent from the scriptures as holy (or antique) places are also similarly conspicuously absent from their theories.

Even those who left their foreign religions must have been unconsciosly shaped in some fashion by such religions of birth. That's how the human psyche is wired.

�������� santeria is a Yoruba religion spread in the americas,do puerto riccans claim yoruba heritage Is like saying calling an igbo catholic italian cause they use latin ����,And hope you know we have afro-latinas these are the ones whose ancestors brought the religion and help it spread,again that's not how etymology works,Yoruba language is a language native again native to yoruba people and is has over 1 million speakers and is of the niger-congo language,hebrew/Arabic are semitic in the middle east there is no correlation,no history,not relation you can't compare with afro-latinas,and Africans Americans there is evidence factual evidence again etymology,etymology ����

MetaPhysical:
Puerto Ricans practice Santeria. When a Puerto Rican says Oreca, he is meaning Orisha.
Yet Oreca (Hispanic) and Orisha (Yoruba) are not in same language?

Oreca is not a Niger Congo language. So are these people descended from Yoruba or not?

Some things should just not need academic thesis to make it acceptable.

Is really not about religion but the need to tie to foreigness,notice that middle east is close to sub-saharan africa,is not just middle east,from Sudan,Ethiopia,Egypt,maghreb.The middle east and sub-saharan africans have both historical and religious ties to it so that's why there's always a need to tie to it,to average nigeria is either mecca or isreal from their religious,to the educated and elightned is egypt,carthage,magreb,even south arabia,is not a coincidence afrocentrism focuses on proving sub-saharan ancestry of north africa and the middle east that have been allegely hidden by eurocentric,to me all this are just ways to turn themselves to other cultures some religion middle east,some popularity egypt,ethiopia

TAO11:
Lol.
1st I realized how quite easy it is to beat stretch, and twist almost any word in almost any language to mean and sound like what we want them to mean and sound like.

For example, I can beat, stretch, and twist the following English words viz. wore, iron, concern, me, our, inner, etc. to mean the following Yoruba words viz. wo, irin, kan, emi, awa, inu, etc. respectively.

I would then claim that the Yorubas are descended from Englishmen (or vice versa) --- if I have such agenda --- on the basis of such kindergaten methods.

2nd, I came across the work of a Yoruba linguist who taught in Japan and returned with many examples, in the Japanese language, of such words (legit this time around).

Yet our Yoruba people won't clutch at Japan as our roots. I realized quickly that the reason why they won't cluth in this case is simply because of the absence of any influential Japanese religion in Yorubaland.

It became too obvious that religion is the key driving-force behind most of these interesting claims.

Our people are trying to make sense of (i.e. reconcile) both their African heritage and their foreign religion just to heave some sigh of relief.

I noticed the Christian-Yoruba among such people often leans towards a Hebrew origin, while the Muslim-Yoruba among them often leans towards a Meccan origin.

3rd I know some Arabic myself, and this allows me access to the earliest, most authoritative, and most comprehensive bilingual Arabic-English lexicon (i.e. Lane's Lexicon) which is based on medieval Arabic dictionaries and classical Arabic vocabularies.

So, this helps me to have a good laugh at the claims people make with Arabic words, and to some extent Hebrew words, as the two languages are sister languages with so many cognates.

Most of the Arabic words (or even Hebrew or Egyptian words) which they claim to have so and so meaning usually do not have those meanings, and often times the supposed Arabic or Egyptian words do not even exist altogether.

They have entered quora small but those ones there are the ones mostly claiming north africa

macof:
. Youtube is the worst of all
I have run many out of nairaland

I actually would enjoy the fantastic stories if they were not trying to replace their fantasy with history. It is so sickening to see that they actually mean it to the bone
They have been psychologically sired to the middle east

@tao11 how did you even realise there was something off with this sort of claims?