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Do you now agree that we are biologically averse to incest?

shadeyinka:
You have chosen some wrong things to compare!
Look at the supposed direct effect of incest, can you compare it with suicide or mass murder?

You may argue about biological evolution but social evolution NEED EVIDENCE not speculations. Social evolution is a result of choices between Cause and Effect.

Prove me wrong!

availableisme:
Jim Jones was an Agnostic atheist. Do not get it wrong. He was an agnostic atheist who murdered a grand total of 909 people.

An atheist Reverend. I see .

I hope say if I call you 'google theologian' tomorrow you no go vex?

felixomor:
Just google "david as prophet"

No time for long story today.

felixomor:
Eiya.
So u just got to know that?

Google "david as a prophet" .
David even prophecied the entrance of Jesus after His resurrection from the grave.

Eiya, dey there..

Abeg show me the verse.

KingEbukasBlog:
People have committed mass suicide : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicide

And millions have committed suicide within a very short period of time : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

As far as there is exception even if it is just one , it renders your argument invalid .

Exceptions do not render rules invalid. There have also been mass suicide in churches. Ever heard of the 'Kool-aid' Reverend Jim Jones?

felixomor:
It could be people in the future.

It could be anybody.

Just as
David wrote "blessed is the man"

Doesnt mean the man is existing or not existing.

Its only a description of identity.

My eyes have seen my ears. David was not only a king, he was also a prophet. Cc: MrMontella

shadeyinka:
Your adverse reaction to incest is subjective isn't it. Could it be a carryover of your theistic upbringing.

Atheistically, incest is acceptible as long as the conditions of consensuality, adulthood and not hurting anyone are met.

There are incestuous atheists as well as theists. If you became atheist today, would you start engaging in incestuous behaviour? Why or why not?

shadeyinka:
Ps14:1 Says who a true fool is!

I'm sure you got the point.

KingEbukasBlog:
That is what is called the fallacy of exclusion . There are so many evidences like I listed that confute your claims that man naturally detests incest ,mass suicide or mass murder .

As as far there is evidence that proves your proposition is false ,then it renders it invalid . That's what being logical is all about .

Please what percentage of the world's population are these 'evidences'?

shadeyinka:
AgentofAllah has been bold, straight forward, courteous and logical with his presentations. If you checked, you will see that I have replied him.

Your own view pls?

Civilization and ORDER go hand in hand. When order is destroyed based on Atheistic rationality, show me how this order is maintained.

Show me that respect within families will become stronger as a result of incestuous living. Show me the advantage the promotion of incest will give to civilization.

I do not support incest.

MrMontella:
i've begged him to use his alledged ''critical'' thinking skills...

Yet he refuses and spills out his usual argumentum ad nauseam like a crybaby

Hehehehe...

shadeyinka:
Yes, to every rule, there would be violators. The problem isn't about the rules, the rules themself produce our culture. Culture has to do with organisation and rules of socially binding norms.

Rationality and absolute Freedom for self expression is promoted by atheism: the combination of these in its ultimate form destroys civilization.

You remember the Hippies of the 70s. Yes!
Atheism is just a modern form of the Hypies movement. Prove me wrong.

Psalm 14:1 proves you wrong.

KingEbukasBlog:
That's not true . There are so many people who have confessed to having sexual attraction to their sibling or even to their parents . I strongly believe that when you are taught from childhood that such is abominable then you become repulsed by the idea .

I mean even animals are attracted to their siblings and even parents are attracted to their young ones .


And I have not heard of natural aversion to suicide or mass murder . Ask the atheist mass murderers .

In China during Mao's regime over 1 to 3 million were reported to have committed suicide .

So these prove your assumptions wrong .

These people are the exceptions, rather than the rule.

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Are you attracted to your family members? Are you suicidal? Do you have genocidal fantasies? How many other people with these traits do you know personally?

Google the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

availableisme:
Is Sexual Immorality encouraged or a Sin in the Bible? If yes can you say a Christian who commits it is still a Christian?

hopefulLandlord:
^ive chosen to ignore you till I see contrary evidence showing you're not the person I'm suspecting you are

please bear with me

Your detectors appear to improperly configured this morning. This is a different person.

Anas09:
What is your argument?

Lol! You do not want to know love.

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I have mentioned you on that Ecclesiastes thread. I am yet to see your reply.

Oga to every rule, there will always be few exceptions, are there no Christians commiting incest? In fact, majority of the incestuous people are not atheists as they always blame the Devil whenever they are caught.

availableisme:
Who says people are not attracted to members of their family? There are those who would disagree which is why we have incest in the first place. There are those who know no other attraction besides an internal one. Why are they like that? Is it that evolution failed them or is there another reason why they are primed differently from others or grew to become like that?

Culture existed from day one as culture is simply social behavior or human intellectual achievement. Both have always existed from day one so, nobody can claim that culture came afterwards. The moment man began to speak and act be they in grunts or however, culture had begun. The moment man began moving and picking up objects and knowing what to cook and what not to cook culture had begun so it came along with man. What we have today are modifications of culture but who can say what was modified or what was original if you were not told or if you were not present at the start?

Religion on the other hand began as beliefs. If i know i can eat some nuts and it can cure my stomach ache then thats a belief. If i know i can mash sosme leaves together and drink its juices and get relief then thats a belief. Religion as well has always existed. He cannot say one came later when they all coexisted.

As simple as ABC...

PastorAIO:
And further to that I also got an insight. That at no time did he ever espouse Amorality. In fact I don't know any atheists that do so. Atheists are just as moral as christians or moslems.
The point he was making was on the SOURCE of the morality. Agentofallah explains the moral impulse in Evolutionary terms. The christians just say 'God did it'.

According to Darwin Evolution would naturally select AGAINST incest. That revulsion that we naturally have for incest may later be attributed to a God by superficial persons but the fact that it has it's origins in evolutionary factors remain unchanged.

So who was David talking about in Psalm 14:1?

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism remains a man made idea started by Diagoras of Melos 2500 years ago !!!

availableisme:
First of all, we need to agree on something regarding atheism. Atheism is not by definition a disbelief in God or gods. That is the foundation of atheism and not a final position as there are atheists who disbelieve in God or gods but believe in spirits and reincarnation and...everything that God or gods are which is spirit.

Atheism is a foundation which other things are built on. If the foundation is that they lack belief in God or gods then what is permissible to be built on such a foundation which would still hold to their core belief yet make them comfortable which is why there are different kinds and classes of atheists in the world even here on nairaland.

If an atheist says homosexuality or incest is alright as long as both are adults and its based on mutual agreement then this is like a direct affront to the position of God whom they disbelieve. If they do not believe in God then they also by extension want to assert this by also seeing nothing wrong with those things God abhors otherwise that would mean they are okay with Gods idea of morality.

However if you say that in some nations homosexuality is permitted or even bestiality or perhaps incest as the focus is simply for you to do what makes you happy but does that make it right?

Anas09 painted a very vivid picture in her comment and a mind with a conscience and morals would either be repulsed at the thought of it or seriously think about it.

Not everyone is aware of the problems inbreeding may cause and in fact it does not always cause problems as both parties can have perfectly healthy genes but does that make it right is the question? Is there nothing inherently wrong with it? can you tell me?

People are naturally not attracted to members of their family, the same way we are naturally averse to suicide or mass murder. That is why he said that religion or culture are simply secondary regulators against such behaviour. We are evolutionarily primed to see them as wrong. That's his argument.

shadeyinka:
Food don't land o!
Atheism will destroy this civilization!

Why have you ignored the only sensible comment on your thread so far; AgentofAllah's comment?

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KingEbukasBlog:
All these kind of people who don't have the ability to understand the simple bible verses should purchase Dake Annotated Reference Bible. It titurates even the most complex verses to a point anyone can assimilate . Its been with me for close to 10 years .

Why would you accept Dake's reference as true. No be human being write am?

felixomor:
Something sensible like "Arbitrary" Israel?

SMH

felixomor:
Why do u have to always mention me before thinking of what to type?

Honestly, I would have been surprised if you had said something sensible.

Why do you have to perceive every thread as an affront to your faith? Gosh!

felixomor:
Sorry,
You seem pained.

shadeyinka:
Seriously?
You would be bothered if I said that Father Christmas would be bringing Fire and Brimstone to your house this Christmas?

Why?

Do you believe Father Christmas is real?

I would be bothered about your mental health.

shadeyinka:
I wish the statement that led to this was about you. I was talking about hardmirror who has defied God and His existence. He has concluded that there is no place like hell. That hell is "Father Christmas tales". Hardmirror speaks from a point of view of certainty not agnosticism.

Now, should he be scared? NO!

And that is why you missed it.

If hardmirror was agnostic, I would be softer but he is gnostic: should you be bothered if I told you that Father Christmas will bring Fire and Brimstone to you this december: Would you be bothered?

I would be. But you actually missed my point. Never mind though.

Ecc 9:11 I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to men of understanding, nor favour to men of skill, but TIME and CHANCE happens to them all...

skyhighweb:
plz oh explain it cause i just read it my self i dont understand, just dont twist it sha.

The person I quoted was talking about how his hard work and enterprise has led to his wealth and success, as opposed to lazy and slothful people whose poverty and failure is a result of their laziness

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That verse, if it's anything to go by, says otherwise. 'Time and chance' as used therein refers to an element that is outside our control, a factor at work regardless of our efforts or lack of.

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In my little over two decades of existence, I have found this to be very true, there is always a variable which could have changed everything. This should teach the high and mighty to be thankful and humble and the low and lowly to not despair too much because time and chance does indeed happen to all of us

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Cc: skyhighweb, Anas09

It's not to the OP. It's to the person I quoted.

Anas09:
Guy, see my legs oo. Am a Bible student, nothing more.
So, go ahead and tell us what that passage is about and connect it to the Op.

Anas09:
You thought? Thank God i never say that. Working Bible ke. Who i be, Apostle Paul?

Maybe. Maybe more.

With pictures?? Funny dude.