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LambanoPeace:
One fella I saw needed injections just so that he can fart...

Why you no heal am?

LoJ:
I did not ask for public scrutiny. I called for independent and rigorous examination.


So what is the point? Some of them might be sincere, but most are showing off.

Again, it is not even an issue of public approval or disapproval. Rather it is all about honesty and truth. In Science, drugs can't be sold as medecine/treament until pain staking and rigorous tests are carried on. Catholics have a similar approach before they acknowledge any miracle (in Lourdes for instance). Why would self declared oracles and ambassadors of god not follow basic objective and honest procedures?

Health is not a minor issue. It is a matter of public safety. Many of these faith healers encourage people to stop taking drugs (as it was the case of Joagbaje and pastor christ with that kenyan lady). Some advertise healing sessions and promise to deliver healing almost at will. I once heard Tb Joshua say that 99% of people will be healed during the service.

If you claim publicly, as many of them do, by publishing videos, posting online, interviews etc. to have healed someone of something as serious as cancer, HIV or raising from the dead, be ready to accept an independent and scientific examination. Better still, before you make such claims, commission an independent body of experts to analyse it all. There are many organisations willing and able to do that.

Greetings.

Fair enough!

hopefulLandlord:
that part made me laugh like an eeddeot!

like he's some internet version of POTUS or CIA

I was starting to wonder when you'd show up on this thread.

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Season's Greetings.

LoJ:
Hello,

I didn't say they are impossible. I personally know that miracles, although rare, actually occur. They are not the privilege of a particular religion or movement. People of all faiths or no faith, can actually witness authentic miracles. That's why Miracles are no proof that a particular religion/god is the right one.

What I believe is that, before claiming publicly that a miracle has taken place, any honest religious or spiritual leader would have those cases subjected to independent and rigorous examination, whereby all other possible and logical explanations are eliminated.

At the end of such investigation, if all possible and logical explanation fell short, everyone will be compelled to see that a miracle has indeed taken place and it will even give them greater "credit".

The fact that faith healers among others, usually refuse independent and strict investigation, but day in day out make bold and public claims about raising deads or healing HIV, proves that they are charlatans, and a threat to public safety.

Cheers.

They do not often allow for public scrutiny as the point of these miracles are not to prove anything to you. If anything, it's charlatans who'd be eager for public approval especially if they believe they've covered all their bases.

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MrMontella

With all your stories of spiritual encounters, I am surprised that you think these things are impossible.

LoJ:
With what happened to pastor Joagbaje, (who btw still owe 500k to a nairalander who debunked right here his false HIV healing claims) did you really think any informed faith healer nairalander would dare subject his claims to rational investigations?

To what end? What would be achieved by this accusation?

dalaman:
He edited it before accusing him. He's a fraud.

hahn:
See wetin we dey talk

You "believe" and you were not there. Have you ever thought to consider that is what indeed happened he would have said so? Check the time he laid the allegation and the time I created this thread

I created the thread @ 3:27pm

And he made that comment @ 2:53pm. Check the op to see the screenshot of his comment and check for yourself when I created the thread

This means that I saw his allegation and created this thread at least 20 mins after his allegation of me doctoring his comment

I think theists just do not understand investigative processes and that is why they are easily deceived because they are arrogantly confident in their blind ignorant beliefs

See the lame excuse you are putting up. You try sha. Keep it up

Why would someone edit his post and accuse you of doctoring it when he can simply say it was a typographical error.

dalaman:
Hahn did he edit it before saying it?

You self reason am na.

hahn:
You don't get it. He went back and edited the post then claimed I doctored it

I don't believe this is what happened. I believe he said it before editing.

Lol. I remember you from the family section. E be like say your matter serious small.

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You seem smart, so why EXACTLY are you contemplating suicide?

notjonbellion:
lol
You didn't see what the christians did today

I did, and I much as I think is was very silly, would could blame them. Mark threw a party everyone came to party

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Seun's thread echoed my thoughts on the matter. I agree with the things he said.

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Season's Greetings.

otemanuduno:
They aren't ruling out the possibility of a typographical error(of course anybody can make mistake). What they were actually agitating for was his unwillingness to admit that it was a typographic error. Rather, he resorted to accusing Hahn of doctoring his post. Thanks to nature that Hahn screenshot his post.

From what I saw, his 'unwillingness' was because he did not know. If it were you, what would you have thought?

An2elect2:
Still comes down to "Who is a Christian?" How do you know he is a christian?

You are a poor judge of religion and its adherents. You dont think so?

And according to you, people who believe in exactly what you believe are the only true Christians right?

This is so much slander over a simple typographical error.

kizolo:
I will leak my family nude for that amount

Lol.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly bro !

The atheists were the ones who kept suggesting that Mark Zuckerberg was a sworn atheist . .

And they (Wikipedia ) keep inflating numbers of atheists in different countries . Trust me bro , atheists are much lesser in reality .

The same Wikipedia claimed that Zoroastrianism influenced Christianity , Judaism and Islam whereas Judaism came 1000 years before Zoroastrianism . Just to discredit the Abrahamic religions .

The fight against God is real .

So you mean there's a Wikipedia campaign against Christianity? Do you have any idea how wikipedia works? Do you know that you could have taken steps to effect a correction of the perceived untruth

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Compliments of the season

winner01:
Ranchhoddas, you kept telling me how wikipedia described Mark Zuckerberg as a sworn atheist. I remember i kept telling you that like seun, the co-founder of wikipedia (Jimmy wales) is an atheist, an angry one.


I just hope by now, you can see how far atheists are willing to go...

I am not sure I fully understand what you are saying, but if it's what I think it is...

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Season's Greetings to you.

Wow!

obontami:
The op surely needs some kinda tutorials. Cos Its cystal clear he doesn't know what he's saying. He's prolly brain-washed by he's so- called extreme morality. If not he won't post this crap.


So if a girl decided to get down with me cos of the financial rewards its that lust, greed or laziness.


I think the op needs to check the functioning of his brain.

Baba chair. I know say this thread go provoke you like mad. How this OP go come talk say your hobby na sin. Wetin dey do am self?

Na wa o. Which kind question be this one?

niyihawking:
lol...
how does it make your case?
besides, who made it happens to members of other religion?, your god(which they do not believe in) or their god(which does not exist)?
just asking

What is it with you and ''my God''? Have I said any God does not exist? You are beginning to sound more anti-Christian than rational.

niyihawking:
we(deist) believe that the universe is the evidence, we believe that the natures god gave humanity something to think bout. For instance, our ability to create centrifuges is based on scientists work on circular motion, which was a direct observation of the motion of in individual planets round the sun.

by carefully observing the shape of the sun, one will agree that making a round ball is better than making a square ball.....and many more.

but saying that the creator is the god of organized religion does not make any sense, cos how is Yahweh more powerful than the flying spaghetti monster(all hail your noodles appendage). both adherents can equally claim that they received vision from there god. that does not make sense.

I respect agnostics any day any time cos of their humbleness, likewise atheists for rejecting the concept of organize religion. But religion adherent sometimes get on my nerve because they think they are more special than others(giving selfish testimonies)

You seem eager to attack theism. I have not made a case for any God so I don't understand why that is. I only want to explain why you think your position is less irrational than any other position out there.

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Pantheists and panentheists alike also take the Universe as evidence of God. Is their position any less credible than yours?

niyihawking:
you see my brother, all those testimonies are not limited to xtians alone, same thing happens to atheists, deists, agnostics, Buddhist, Satanists, Muslims, and people of other religions


so if you say God kept you since January to December because you believed and trust in him, then who kept the atheist( No God), agnostics ( can't say if there is god or not), deist( god does not intervene), satanist and others who does not believe in god?.

It high time we all unfolded the humanistic garment in us, and start caring for one another instead of been selfish, claiming that a god has broken the laws of quantum mechanics (lol) because of a single petitioner



by the way, most brilliant scientist are deist, like Albert Einstein and others( carefully observe the statements they've made), they are humble by not ruling out the existence if a higher reasoning power.

The fact that it happens to members of different religions does not make your case, it makes mine. I did not say the intervention were limited to Christians. Also, whether you perceive these interventions as selfish or not is besides the point. What we are talking about whether they are there or not.

jonbellion:
lol I'm not a diest I don't see the point personally

Oh. I thought you were.

niyihawking:
you see, that blue chicken or red goat is what we call god. someone else might decide to describe it with another term so far it does not influence the laws of its creation( in our case, so far God or the red goat or the blue chicken does not violate the laws of physics).


say that the creator of the universe is dead rules out the standing of a mono deist( a poly deist might still reason with you)

personally, I believe in natures god, an unbiased god(neither a Christian god or other religions god) who does not require his creation to worship it/him/her.

Why would the deistic god not require worship:: well, look up into the cosmos, there are so many stars like the sun out there(billions of them), there is a high probability that there will be a planet revolving round a star out there that will have the eccentricity that will allow evolution to take place

if there are a system of world, why would a god care much about one than the other?. Don't you think it will be logical to put a law in place that will allow things to run smoothly?(unless you think there is a reason why it has to intervene)
you see, that blue chicken or red goat is what we call god. someone else might decide to describe it with another term so far it does not influence the laws of its creation( in our case, so far God or the red goat or the blue chicken does not violate the laws of physics).


say that the creator of the universe is dead rules out the standing of a mono deist( a poly deist might still reason with you)

personally, I believe in natures god, an unbiased god(neither a Christian god or other religions god) who does not require his creation to worship it/him/her.

Why would the deistic god not require worship:: well, look up into the cosmos, there are so many stars like the sun out there(billions of them), there is a high probability that there will be a planet revolving round a star out there that will have the eccentricity that will allow evolution to take place

if there are a system of world, why would a god care much about one than the other?. Don't you think it will be logical to put a law in place that will allow things to run smoothly (unless you think there is a reason why it has to intervene)

So it's merely conjecture, simply deductive reasoning and you do not know anything for sure.

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An atheist sees the same randomness that you do and says that it's simply chaos. You on the other hand says someone made it happen (without any shred of proof) and you think your position makes more sense?

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niyihawking

Raine80:
Money is good but a sullied reputation cannot be recovered .....if you can explain this to your kids and their kids as well then sure

dickhead01:
The truth about life is that ur future is important to u and the world at large.
xo why allow ur nude to be leaked for $30m when u don't know that u might have more than that in the future.



For me #NEVER#
my reputation is important to me

Raine80:
Money is good but a sullied reputation cannot be recovered .....if you can explain this to your kids and their kids as well then sure

You both have no clue what twenty million dollars is. First lady-elect of the United States has her nude pictures on the internet. Go Figure!

'Celebrities' wey I no know anyone. Is that one a celebrity?

niyihawking:
the same thing that makes you thing theist are intelligent

the same thing that makes you thing atheist are intelligent

intelligence is a function of reasoning and analysis(that's what deist, atheist, and agnostics do) not believing in dogmas or having faith.

You all are yet to reply. How did you arrive at your deist position?

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Jonbellion