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Chelseafan1:
Lampard is also a midfielder who outscored ur bald Iniesta.

Lampard is a box to box midfielder... His gameplay was to make late runs into the box... Iniesta's role is beating or breaking the first line of defense which he does better than any midfielder that's why he has made balloon d'or podium twice and won MVP at euros which is significantly superior to whatever lampard has achieved

SeekinAttention:
U have an impotent imp that scores 1 goal per season in ur club. Some of ur up Barka even wànk on his pictures, yet u have the courage to insult Hazard

Oh God why! Why!

Iniesta is a central midfielder, hazard is a forward... If you can't see the difference, you're a lost cause.

hensben:
Since Hazard is judged base on number of goals scored then it is safe to say Lampard>>>Iniesta, forgetting the fact that their team deploy different tactics, formation and method by their various coaches.

Iniesta has consistently performed at the biggest moments. World cup final, UCL final, el clasico, just name it...
What's hazard most remarkable game, abeg

raumdeuter:
His entire career. 5 seasons in the CL 2 goals from open play maybe airmark, chelseafan1 or hensben can help us explain why he is that poor or better still find Hazard more than 2 goals

OMG... I respect hazard but that's terribly poor

raumdeuter:
2 CL goals from open play is how you miss the point

But is this thing seriously true?? Hazard has only two goals from open play in the UCL??

hensben:
My point is compare Man U of then to Real Madrid of then and not now. That Man U team were spirited, fearless and deadly on goals, they were winning team 4,3,7.. both in ucl and epl.

How many times did they win UCL? Just once.... It was in EPL they were always bullying everyone

hensben:
No fact there. My question was Man U of then competing with Real Madrid of now huh why saying Real Madrid of now is stronger when cr7 will be in Man U of then since he hasn't sign for Real Madrid then.

Lemme spell it out for you...
"Man U of then" is not as good as "Madrid of now". Hence Ronaldo will score more goals in Madrid of now,..
Gerrit??

hensben:
You ended up saying nothing. Smh

No... You understood nothing. Or you're being deliberately obtuse because you've been defeated with facts.

hensben:
Man u of then were very formidable against other team then, including Real Madrid so why are you comparing Man U of then Real Madrid of now? Any sense there?

Dortmund? Superior to all epl team? lol stop being reckless with words. It is childish

Please can you explain with facts why Dortmund is not better than ask EPL teams

hensben:
bros Man U of then were very formidable against other team then so why are you comparing Man U squad of then to Real Madrid squad of now? Any sense there?

You don't see the sense there?? Well, lemme show you.
If Madrid are a better team than man U were, then it's totally logical that Ronaldo will score more goals. Add to that the fact that Ronaldo is more of a goal poacher than he was at man u

TapDance:
Nah I look at if a player will fit into my team, Neymar shows no sign of that...He plays LW I prefer Keeping that place for Martial for now, where do you want to play him, in the centre to get bullied mercilessly?

You prefer martial to Neymar on the left?? Neymar is better than any player you've got

hensben:
The Man U players cr7 played with were quality all through so mr man what are you saying?. Who are the superior team in other league you're talking about? Barca and Real Madrid in la Liga? that's because they outspent other team and Bayern Munich in bundles liga? Lol. The truth is epl is competitive cos almost every team have funds to spend unlike la Liga and bundles Liga.

Man U CR7 played with were good but not as good as real Madrid... Especially the midfield... Man U's midfield was basically carrick, Fletcher and an aged scholes. In Madrid he has played with Alonso, ozil, kaka, di maria, modric, kroos... The Madrid team right now is better than any other team in the world player wise.
With the supposed array of good teams in premier league, they still mess up in the European competitions.. How on earth do you claim you have quality and you can't prove on the biggest stage...

TapDance:
3rd best at acting...It was an exaggeration ...That just shows how disinterested I am in Neymar.


If I had no hands and legs I could still count 5 players better than him

I think you have a problem with his style or personality not his talent....
Five players seriously?? Even Griezmann ain't better

TapDance:
And in your tiny little UpBarca brain Neymar is the best? Guy receive senses....I will take an aging Arjen robben over that actor any daym

Well, good thing you're neither the manager or director of the club... Unless the club would be playing in division 2 right now...
Imagine, picking an injury-prone 30 something over Neymar, the third best player in the world

hensben:
When we say epl is difficult and competitive doesn't mean it is the best league currently. Coach and players that were seen as world class see how they look ordinary in epl. E.g, pogba; he made FIFA IX before, Bravo who Barca fan were overrating that he is the best thing after sliced bread and Pep who doesn't train tackle to win la Liga and Bayern liga.

coaches and players are attesting to the fact that epl is competitive and difficult, and people here want Hazard to be scoring for fun in same league. As prolific as cr7 he only manage to score 30 in one season, rest were 17....

CR7 is playing in a much better team... How won't he have more goals?? The EPL is not more difficult, there's just widespread mediocrity.... In the Nigerian league, there's a lot of competition but that's because there are no truly outstanding teams just like the EPL

Nihilist:
I havent made any.

But you have...
Ronaldo has won international trophies while Messi hasn't= premise
Ronaldo is better than Messi= conclusion.
That's the definition of an argument

Nihilist:
Again, you're too dull to grasp nuance. This is the exact reason why I will continue to refuse to debate this issue with you. Far too dull.

It's obvious you're just grasping at straws here... U just keep repeating words like 'dull' and 'nuance' as if it adds credibility to your arguments...

Nihilist:
The problem with you, is that your determined to over-intellectualise a very simple discussion. That's why as soon as I saw your statement, I refused to get drawn into it. A lot of the time, I say stuff that's tongue in cheek. You will see me and Bykebyke,and Dippset caliming that Messi or Ronaldo is the best based on clothing style, chics, even that cocaine bust yesterday. Most of the time, I jest.

When you came at me with your 'logical approach', I was annoyed because you actually felt that you were saying something new.

Afterall, this is me talking to raumdeuter last year.



The issue here is your inability to grasp context and nuance. I don't need to spell it out explicity that I can only compare Ronaldo to Messi because nobody else in world football comes close. This is why I told you that there is an implied discrimination from the beginning.

Now in terms of individual awards at club level, Ronaldo and Messi have won everything. In terms of Club competitions, Ronaldo and Messi have won everything. The only real difference between them lies at international level.

I'm sure you can figure it out from here.

This is going to be easy:
In terms of individual awards at club level Messi trumps Ronaldo.
In terms of team honors at club level, Messi trumps Ronaldo.
In terms of individual awards at international level, Messi trumps Ronaldo.
The only edge that Ronaldo has is when it comes to team trophies at international level.
So you only include the team trophies at international level and completely discount and ignore the other 3 categories Messi trumps Ronaldo??
Is that intellectual dishonesty or just intellectual deficiency?

Nihilist:
I have not made any assertion. I have told you I am not getting drawn into an argument with you. Mainly because you are to dull to realise that there is an implied discrimination already in place when discussing Ronaldo and Messi. Otherwise never mind Pedro, I could have just said Mikel Obi is better than Messi and called it a day.

Abegii!.... You're not getting drawn into an argument and you're still taking the time to explain why the Pedro analogy I made doesn't count...
You claim Ronaldo is better than Messi because of one particular measure or parameter then say in the same breadth that that measure doesn't apply to other players, which Kain double standard be that one??
BTW, you claim Ronaldo is better than Messi because of one trophy... But Messi has many more trophies than Ronaldo in spite of a shorter career

Nihilist:
You did not debunk jack, just made yourself look silly.

If backing up your claims with reason and common sense is being silly, then what do we call making bare assertions without any proof whatsoever...

Nihilist:
This is actually painful.

I agree... Having your cherished delusions debunked can be very painful

Nihilist:
You are too dull mayne. Unfortunately, It takes more than harping on about 'logic' to be intelligent. You are the only one in the world who would bring Pedro into discussion about Messi and Ronaldo. I'm just here wondering how many Balon D'ors Pedro has...

Oh... So now you know balon D'ors matter? What about MVP awards at international tournaments? Do they matter too?

Nihilist:
I'm too busy to get into an argument with a faux-intellectual who doesn't understand why Pedro should never ever be brought into a discussion concerning Messi and Ronaldo.

On the flip side, I can recognise the dogged persistence of a Stan who ignores my repeated requests to fück off, and so I will continue to bless you with responses, rude or otherwise. I just wont get into an argument with you.

You obviously don't understand the concept of logic. If you claim Ronaldo is a better player than Messi because he has an international trophy, then Pedro is by your logic better than Ronaldo since he has three... There's no two way around it....
So the fact that the logical extension of the principle you're applying leads to the silly conclusion that Pedro is a better player than Ronaldo, shows that the principle is dead on arrival and cannot be used in judging who is the better player...

I don't need you to get into an argument with me, I just need you to understand simple logic

Nihilist:
I'm not 'evading' you.

I'm disdainfully telling you to get on your bike and ride into the distance.

I thought you were busy... Why take the time to type this??

Nihilist:
Go play somewhere. I'm busy.

Quick advice: If you want to feign being busy in order to evade a question or argument, the better method would be not replying at all.

Nihilist:
What superior argument? Don't flatter yaself.

Nahh fam. I don't indulge nonsense from random people on the internet.

Just look at your poor analogy bringing Pedro into the discussion.

You've answered the question already. Messi has no international trophy, Ronaldo has one.Now jog on and keep it moving.

You can keep telling yourself that as long as it makes you feel good... It's obvious you don't have any counter arguments, so you just keep repeating the same nonsense...
And bringing Pedro is an apt analogy because it shows the flaws in using international team trophies to determine the better player...
You don't want to stick with the logic you used coz that will mean Pedro is a better player than Ronaldo, which of course will be a silly conclusion...

Nihilist:
End of story. Shift to the left please.

Pedro has two Euros and a world cup, therefore he's better than Ronaldo right? Or you're just desperate to move on because you're faced with superior argument??

Nihilist:
Where's Messi's team trophy?

Messi doesn't have a team trophy, at least a senior one but team trophy doesn't determine the best player... Unless you want to convince us that nani is one of the best players in the world...
Now lemme ask again, what's Ronaldo's highest individual international honor??

Nihilist:
An actual trophy.

That's a team honor not individual honor... It's the same one that all the players for Greece in 2004 have... It doesn't really prove who is a better player but actual honors like best player at a tournament... Ronaldo doesn't even have one

These people are here again with the Messi and Ronaldo comparison... So please tell us what is Ronaldo's highest achievement in international football? Coz Messi has MVP at both the world cup and copa America...

bykebyke:
Faster,Stronger,Better Header.

What the fück is this?

FIFA??


If he didn't play for Madrid he would not be mentioned in the same sentence as Hazard sef.


The disrespect.

You're not giving any reasons why we should consider hazard the better player... Or are we just supposed to take your word for it?