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Christianity EtcRe: Help I Am Hearing Voice In My Head. by raptureready: 11:59am On Oct 23, 2013
Frieden10: [b][color=#000000]Hi Nairalanders, i have a situation for sometime now. I hear a voice in my head which speaks to to me and tells me things to be done and also give warnings if i fail to accomplish certain task. It started with me speaking in tongues while praying cos i had some problems and i am not a prayerful type, so it was really surprised when i started speaking in tongues. Then i started hearing this voice which tormented me physically by giving me terrible headaches, ill feelings and committing slime etc. Threaten to kill me sometimes.About a month later he suddenly changed to subtle Holly spirit and even saying he is Angel Gabriel, promising me a lot of things..... It is a long story. This has been going o for almost six month now, i went to my GP, he referred me to a psychiatric who prescribed me a drug called Risperidon. I still hear this voice. Please Nairalanders do help me. Does anyone where i can get spiritual help in Naija. I live in Europe and i am a Nigerian. I need help. Please, need serous advice on how to get help in Naija. If anyone knows somebody also hears voices in the head, i would love to have contact with such person to exchange experiences..

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I once had a similar experience.

When I was a young christian, I was so desperate to hear from God/receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, that I guess I opened myself up to anything that was out there.

Then the voices began. It was a really frightful experience - the threats, headaches, depression, anxiety attacks and me wondering if I was going mad. I was in such a poor state that I actually ran around all the time, looking for people to chat with to distract myself from the voice. Frankly, it was just God's grace that I wasn't overwhelmed.

Long story short, I went to one of those deeper life monthly revival programmes, and there the man of God W. F. Kumuyi said; "all those voices which come up in peoples minds, all those spirits I bind you IN JESUS NAME!" and VAVOOOM!! - it was all over.

I'll admit for days afterward, I still went around afraid, waiting for the voices again - NOTHING!
No voices claiming to be God, my guardian angel, satan, UFO's, Holy spirit, demons, Jesus etc tormenting me over & over, telling me crap, like do this else you'll run mad, die this night in sleep, go blind, loose your leg in a freak accident etc.

Forget what those who don't know God are telling you to go to psychologists - YOU ALREADY HAVE. If they could have helped you, you wouldn't be here now, would you? huh

That programme holds every month and I think they may have branches in the part of the world where you are. Attend the programme go fire prayer, you too will be delivered...
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Christians Think Eating In Their Dreams Is Demonic? by raptureready: 11:07am On Oct 23, 2013
Gombs: I know...but why do christians import it into their lives?
Dats my concern
I don't really know. But I think it is because we hear of these things all the time. And maybe we've had a similar bad experience before we were born again.

You know, like my cousin(not born again) once had a dream where a man shot him in 3 places with a gun(probably not kalashin or he 4 jus die strait grin). In the dream another man met him and calmed him down while he was crying and removed the first two bullets, but before he could get to the third one, the guy just go wake up! huh

For several days afterward the guy suffered some seriously excruciating pain IN THAT EXACT SPOT where the third dream bullet entered.

Methinks the coincidence jus too much. grin

Gombs: Yeah, wishful thinking brings about a particular kind of dream...but why then attach it to demonism?
I think it is just us trying to be cautious. On one hand, it may just be our dumb, hungry imagination. But since we know these things sometimes occur, we release Holy Ghost fire to roast some evil butt, just in case.

Gombs: Are Christians supposed to be under such influence?
You're quite right! So I guess if a person is truly born again, and soaked himself in the blood of Jesus before hitting the snooze button, he probably shouldn't be to bothered. Some people prefer to err on the side of caution though.

Gombs: Nah! I'd dine in the dream...I've done that quite atimes. grin
That's probably a good way to avoid obesity! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Should I Still Pay Tithe ? by raptureready: 10:39am On Oct 23, 2013
Pastor Kun: Considering the fact that the person collecting the tithes is also duping you, you are merely paying homage to a fellow fraudster.
When is seun going to add an "unlike/boo" button to nairaland? huh
Christianity EtcRe: Should I Still Pay Tithe ? by raptureready: 10:37am On Oct 23, 2013
Elisean: If I dupe someone of his/her NGN50 000 000 ...should still use it to pay tithe?
No try am O! God doesn't accept sinful sacrifices!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Christians Think Eating In Their Dreams Is Demonic? by raptureready: 10:27am On Oct 23, 2013
This belief is actually prevalent in Nigeria (or africa) where a lot of malevolent occultic practises exist. It is not strictly a "christian" belief.

Possibly, most times we dream of eating, it may just be our brain wishing we had steak for dinner grin

However, demonic attacks & spiritual poisoning do occur (if u no bliv me go try una village dibia grin) and this is what drives the caution, which at times extends into paranoia.

Dreams sometimes have physical meanings and interpretations. So I say next time if you see food in your dream, TELL D MAGA MAKE HIM CARI D FOOD CUM UR HAUS 4 MORNING! Afterall, dream food no de sweet or giv any nutrients 4 bodi. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Please Can Tattoo Take One To HELL by raptureready: 4:19pm On Oct 21, 2013
While there is no direct bible injuction against it (that I know of yet grin), possibly because maybe there was no tatooing yet during the time of bible writing.

It falls under what the bible is saying in;

1 john 2:15 ... Love not the world neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life, is not of the father, but is of the world

1 corinth 6:20 ... For ye are bought with a price, therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit which are God's

You actually sound like you are on a fishing expedition though and will do whatever you want regardless.

Anyway you have God's word, so it's your choice.

And thank God I got here first before them atheists.
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 3:25pm On Oct 21, 2013
ayoku777: So you can't drink alcohol without getting drunk? All this just to endorse your sentiments.

If you can deny that the wine that got the believers drunk at corinth was not the wine of the communion, or say that 'drunk' there was figurative. Then you will say anything to project your sentiment.

Im just glad to know those reading the points will see things with unbiased opinion.
Ok.

And conversely, if you can claim that the corinthian church where getting drunk and acting drunken in God's house and Paul only MENTIONED IT IN PASSING while rebuking them for scrambling over the holy communion as if it was buffet lunch, just to excuse your indulgence, well then I guess you can say anything to protect said indulgence.

Look at how he even ended the chapter;

1 corint 11:33-34 ... Wherefore my brethen, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation...

DOES HE SOUND LIKE AN APOSTLE WHO HAD JUST DISCOVERED THAT HIS CHURCH WAS GETTING DRUNK AND ACTING DRUNKEN IN THE HOUSE OF GOD?

Yet for some reason you still insist that he was speaking literally, not using a hyperbole.

I asked you are scriptural writings always literal, giving examples, you coolly refused to answer me.

I'm also equally glad that everybody can see both sides to the argument and judge for themselves.

Thank God for the completeness of the bible;
Rev 2:7 ... He that hath an ear, let him hear...
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 2:51pm On Oct 21, 2013
Lordlexyy: @rapture. If i drink and i don't get drunk(which is possible), now tell me, what exactly is the sin that i have sin? Is it the mere taken of the alcohol or the attitude that follows? Or is sin no longer judged base on action and effect?
Well OK, let us consider things from your own point of view. Let us suppose that drinking ain't sinning but getting drunk is.

In that case, do you still think that it wise to toy with sin & hell?

Where the bible says;
Eph 4:17 ... Neither give place to the devil.

You say it is possible to drink and not get drunk. Fair enough.

But let us consider a man like Noah who drink brought sorrow to his life - just like the bible says, what makes us think we are better than him?

Leave your own wisdom;

Prov 14:12 ... There is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end of it is destruction.

Listen to God's own wisdom;

Eph 4:27 ... Neither give place to the devil

A constructive rebuttal is welcome. Just don't go "truthislight" on me. Even if you want to say "you are a big fat liar", be nice and use euphemisms like "you are a colossal stuffed-with-excess-adipose-tissue speaker-of-untruth" grin, otherwise I may be forced to ignore your post.
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 1:59pm On Oct 21, 2013
truthislight: Actually, for someone that just registered on NL some 2 days befor making this statement below, i think it is inappropriate and too hasty, unless you are an old member here on NL with a level of experience.

You talk as though you 'know NL too well', hence a conclussive frustrating exclamation.



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I just hope you are not Oladegbu with a new ID. Smh.
I did not join nairaland 2 days ago. It is quite obvious if you take off your bias-tinted glasses and look at my posts objectively, you may see that I don't post like some newbie.
I've been on nairaland for as long as I can remember. I just deactivated my old account and created a new one because I used that old one 4 my previous online biz (dat tym na during strike dose days, b4 schl cum reopen and I was unable 2 handle both at d same tym).
The old account is more representative of that biz than my actual self, hence the new account.

Pls focus on the discussion and leave me alone O! We de hold dis discussion b4 u got hia and we have managed to keep the personal attacks down. Tempers have flared, yes but we have managed a relatively civil discussion.

And I'm not olagbedu with a new id
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 9:31am On Oct 21, 2013
ayoku777: So was it not the same fruit of the vine Jesus and his disciples drank? Don't cherry pick the ones you can argue over.
I don't cherry pick na, I break up the posts into little nuggets and address them one by one.

ayoku777: The same vine that Noah drank is the same Jesus drank.
Who talk so? You? You been dey dia?
How come Noah drank his and went all Clint-Da-drunk on us all, and Jesus/his disciples drank theirs and still remained cool as ice?
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 9:22am On Oct 21, 2013
Pastor Kun: Psalms 104:14
14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, And herb for the service of man; That he may bring forth food out of the earth,
15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, And oil to make his face to shine, And bread that strengtheneth man's heart.

In the above scripture the psalmist is thanking God for his provision, he especially qualifies wine here in thanking God. Some other bible versions state 'wine for enjoyment' 'wine for merriment' wine is clearly seen here as a gift from God, so why all this hypocrisyhuh
The old testament was mostly written in hebrew, not english, and some exact meanings may have been lost in translation

Look at how it is talked about on wikipedia

Yayin and oinos (which in the
Septuagint also often translates most
of the Hebrew words for alcoholic
beverages listed above)[2][83] are
commonly translated "wine", but the
two are also rarely, and perhaps
figuratively or anticipatorily,[84] used
to refer to freshly pressed juice.


So the psalmist could as well have been referring to something else.

For example in the above scripture, when the psalmist said "herbs", he does not mean MARIJUANA or OPIUM and others, which technically in english are herbs also!!! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 8:50am On Oct 21, 2013
Pastor Kun: So what would you say about palmwine that God produced for our consumption as alcoholichuh
I actually added that part for some lol effect. It's not in the original article.

m.christianpost.com/news/drinking-and-jesus-turning-water-to-wine--93902/

Should have referenced it in the post, It's actually a good write-up, read it whenever u get chanced.
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 8:42am On Oct 21, 2013
ayoku777: This is why i don't reply most posts. This is what scripture calls 'gainsaying'. When it suits you, you say a passage or word in scripture is literal, when it doesn't suit you, you call it a 'hyperbole' or 'figurative' expression
"Gainsaying" means;

gainsaying
Verb:
1. Deny or contradict (a fact or
statement)
2. Speak against or oppose (someone)

In other words; to deny, dispute, disagree with,
contradict, contravene, rebut, controvert

It does not mean what you are trying to pass it off as.

ayoku777: So paul was talking about REAL bread and REAL wine, but he meant 'hungry' and 'drunken' figuratively huh

So the disciples were 'figuratively' drunk during communion?
Paul was not talking about "real bread" or "real wine". He was talking about the corinthian church scrambling for food and drink during holy communion as if they did not have food in their houses.

ayoku777: When christians begin to interprete scriptures this way, its called gainsaying.

Was it not the same fruit of the vine that Jesus drank that Noah also drank and got drunk?

Gen 9v20-21 ...and Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a VINEYARD. And he drank of the wine and was DRUNKEN.

Or drunken here is also figurative? Or his own was not new like that of Jesus? Vine wine is alcoholic old or new. And it will get you drunk if you take it without discretion.

Stop gainsaying - saying passages are figurative or literal as it suits your view. Thats trying to make scriptures say what you want it to say.
So in your own view all scriptural writings are literal?

When the same Paul said in the same 1 corinthians

1 corinth 5:5 ... To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh...

What is he saying? Give him unto Satan?

When Jesus said "if ur arm/eye causes you to sin, cut/pluck it out", did he mean carry knife pluck your eye comot?

In Gen. 9v20 and down, Noah was obviously drunk as subsequent verses go ahead to narrate his drunken behaviour, sleeping naked and all that

Consider how that story finally ended, with him cursing one of his sons FOREVER. Do you think when papa Noah set out drinking, he wanted to end up getting drunk and set off a chain of events that ended with laying a curse upon one of his children? I'm sure he must have been thinking; don't worry, I'll just do it moderately.

Like the bible says; "wine is a mocker..."
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 11:36pm On Oct 20, 2013
For those of you who will keep saying "Jesus turned water into wine na", pls read this first

The Greek word translated wine in
chapter 2 of John's Gospel is the word
"oinos" – a general term that does not
always refer to a fermented beverage.
A bible scholar put it like this;

"Throughout ancient times the
word was used to refer to fruit
juices, primarily grape juice,
without regard to whether or not it
was fermented, or had turned to
vinegar. Recipes for preparing
various kinds of wines without
fermentation have been preserved
by writers of antiquity; and the
common practice of boiling their
wines, and also of largely diluting
them, showed that the action of
fermentation was not regarded by
the ancients as essential to the
existence of "oinos". Many authorities
agree that the Greek use of
"oinos" included fresh grape
juice."


There is a sense in which God/Jesus
turns water into wine year after year
in vineyards everywhere around the
world. The rains fall from the
heavens, the roots take in the
moisture, the sunshine, and process
the elements. Slowly comes
the
bloom on the branches, the grapes
then form and ripen. In the miracle at
Cana, Jesus simply sped up the
process.
If Jesus had however wanted us to be drinking alcohol the juice in the grapefruit from vines will have naturally been coming out as alcohol!

For those who sing "moderation, moderation..."
If Jesus had turned water into alcoholic wine at cana, why did he not tell them BY HIMSELF to drink it in moderation

Are we saying that Jesus deliberately turned gallons upon gallons of water into alcohol at a wedding and gave it to everybody to drink without restriction?
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 11:06pm On Oct 20, 2013
Image123: Kunle is not exactly what one would call a christian.
Ah ah na, image,

The guy has some strong views, and unfortunately an unwholesome style of passing them across.

However, make u no pass dat kain judgement on am na.

Na u die 4 him sins? grin

Let's all have a civil discussion in brotherhood. cool
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 10:43pm On Oct 20, 2013
Pastor Kun: Thanx so much for the scripture above. I have been trying to remember the verse so as to quote it. It also proves beyond any iota of reasonable doubt that the wine Jesus and the apostles drank is alcoholic even though some hypocrites would rather twist scriptures and force their ill informed opinions on believers.
1. Like I stated above, the verse does not.

2. Somebody disagreeing with your point of view don't make him "daft", a "hypocrite" or "ill-informed"

The bible says something vital;

James 1:26 ... If any man among you seem to be religious and bridleth not his tongue (or fingersgrin), this man's religion is vain.

James 3:9-12 ... Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the simlitude of God
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethen, these things ought not so to be...
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready:
ayoku777: The wine that Jesus drank at the passover is the same wine the apostles drink during the communion.

And Paul, when rebuking the greediness of the corinthians during communion in 1Cor 11v21 said 'For in eating everyone taketh before other his own supper, and one is hungry and another is DRUNKEN'.

You can NEVER get drunk on a non-alcoholic wine. So the wine the early church drank and even used for communion was ALCOHOLIC. So scripture is not against taking wine, indiscretion is what scripture rebuked.

So its not a sin to take wine, but let everything be done in moderation
Paul was talking about the way the corinthian church scrambled for food and drink during communion. In that verse he used "drunken" as a hyperbole/exaggeration to buttress his point; "and one is hungry while another is drunken"

This may be seen in the way he continued in verse 22;

"What! Do you not have your own houses and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing?

He was only talking about their conduct during holy communion, not whether the drink used was alcohol or not. The verse is no veritable proof that the drink which the early church drank was alcoholic, like you state.

When you interpret bible verses in isolation, you may come up with warped meanings. Afterall, a verse in the bible says;

Prov 6:30 ... Men do not suffer a thief if he steals to satisfy his appetite when he is hungry.

Does that mean that if I am hungry I can steal? Stealing is not sin if I am hungry?

However if you go ahead to read verse 31, you will understand what the verse is saying.
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 9:38pm On Oct 20, 2013
Lordlexyy: On the basis of what was Christ accused of drunkenness? Was it on juice or alcoholic wine? The fact that drukenness was attached to what ever substance He took suggest that He actual took alcoholic wine. Moreover, Paul admonishing timothy to take a little wine, shows that the consumption of it is not sin itself but it abuses. Like timothy, most ppl take it for diff reasons, some for merryment which the bible is never against, others on health ground et al. Which ever way, the effect of it subjectively tells if you have sin or not, thus the scripture that says what a man takes in doesn't condemn him but what comes out of him.
There Jesus was actually responding to the pharisees who where accusing him of eating with unwashed hands.

I mean, suppose I decide to eat another man's flesh, it does not defile/condemn me?
Christianity EtcRe: Studying God's Word With Jehovah Witnesses by raptureready: 9:23pm On Oct 20, 2013
validplanet: they tried to convince me that a human spirit is the same as an animal's spirit- they read from Ecclesiastes to prove that. when a person dies, the body returns to dust and the spirit returns to God. and the spirit no longer becomes conscious of anything.


well, i reminded them that Moses was dead and Elijah was taken up by chariots of fire. but at the mount of transfiguration, they both appeared and talked with Jesus. so who were those pple the bible called Moses and Elijah at the mount of transfiguration?

my Jehova Witness brothers said they wont answer the question today, but will do that when they come back next sunday.

Till then, i will update you with our studies.
Nice. Thank God u r not a novice when it comes to the bible or u could have been deceived.

I disagree with Jehova witnesses because their doctrine contains a lot of contradictions, and refuses to acknowledge some things clearly stated in the bible. They are generally nice people though.

But my dear eh, what u r doing may be very dangerous for your own faith oh! Look at the bible;

Col 2:8 ... Beware, lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Gal 1:8-9 ... But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed

2 john 1:10-11 ... If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed;
For he that biddeth him God speed is a partaker of his evil deeds.

A word is enough for the wise.
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 8:51pm On Oct 20, 2013
Pastor Kun: Since when did a proverb of solomon become a commandment from Godhuh And listen to yourself, based of your daft logic you are saying Paul permitted timothy to sin on health grounds undecided you can as well say Jesus permitted his disciples to sin at the last supper and further gave all christians instruction to sin when he said we should take wine and bread in his memory.
I 4got to add, the bible says;

2 Tim 3:16-17 ... All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and instruction in righteousness.
That the man of God may be perfect thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Don't dodge this one, pls I beg you retract that ungodly statement
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 8:21pm On Oct 20, 2013
Pastor Kun: Stop trying to twist scriptures bros,
Funny enough this is the exact same thing Jesus was trying to address in Luke 7:30-35 wink
I speak and quote bible= U r trying to twist scriptures
I speak, I no quote bible= U r speaking ur opinion, bak it up wit scriptural references
Wetin man go do 4 nairalanders? huh

Pastor Kun: Jesus stated very clearly in the verse that he drinks alcoholic wine and hypocrites accuse him of being a drunkard just because he drinks wine.
The way you say "stated very clearly", makes me wonder. Did he say "eating and drinking wine"? He said "the son of man is come eating and drinking" which could mean anything; drinking water, juice, tea, ice-cream, maltina, fanta, :-D etc.

Pastor Kun: It's crystal clear from that passage that Jesus not only drank wine but the wine was also alcoholic otherwise there would have been no reason to accuse him of being a drunkard if it was just fruit juice.
Nobody accused Jesus of anything. In fact, in Luke 7:18-35 they were not even talking about Jesus, but John the baptist. Jesus only compared himself to John the baptist to rebuke the pharisees for refusing to believe either of them, as in; "John the baptist come, una say him get demon, me I don come now, una don start to de call me glutton/drunkard"

Pastor Kun: Of course I don't need to remind you that Jesus also produced alcoholic wine at the wedding in canaan and he shared wine with his disciples at the last supper amongst several other occasions.
Actually, go ahead and remind me, WHERE DID THE BIBLE EXPLICITLY STATE THAT IT WAS ALL ALCOHOLIC?
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 7:52pm On Oct 20, 2013
Pastor Kun: Since when did a proverb of solomon become a commandment from Godhuh And listen to yourself, based of your daft logic you are saying Paul permitted timothy to sin on health grounds undecided you can as well say Jesus permitted his disciples to sin at the last supper and further gave all christians instruction to sin when he said we should take wine and bread in his memory.
If you have a problem with the book of proverbs, check out;

Eph 5:18 ...and be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but be filled with the spirit

And sir please try not to resort to insults in an attempt to win an argument, it does not look well on any child of God. Remember the bible said "by their fruits you shall know them" and "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh" embarassed

Paul wasn't asking timothy to sin. Like I said before he was asking him to take medicine, as the verse stresses; "for thy stomach's sake". If you have a medical condition and are prescribed alcohol or alcohol based drugs for treatment, IT IS NO SIN TO TAKE YOUR MEDICATION!
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 4:28pm On Oct 20, 2013
Pastor Kun: @rapture_ready
Stop forcing your opinion into scripture as none of the verses you quoted forbids a christian from taking wine.
Hi pastor kun, sori I couldn't get bak 2 u, had stuff 2 do. Those verses I quoted say "woe" which if I remember correctly means "cursed". What other way can something be more strongly condemned than attaching "cursed" to it?

Like when Jesus said "woe unto you scribes and pharisees, hypocrites..." Does it mean that we can indulge in hypocrisy in moderation, only don't do it in excess?

Pastor Kun: Even our lord Jesus Christ took alcoholic wine contrary to the impression you are trying to create. Luke 7:33-34 makes it clear the wine in question is alcoholic otherwise the issue of being drunk would not even arise.

Luke 7:33
33 For John the Baptist is come eating no bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a demon. 34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold, a gluttonous man, and a drunkard, a friend of publicans and sinners!
I think you may be interpreting luke 7:33 out of context. If you look at it from verse 24 - 35 or at least from verse 30, you will see what he was trying to say.

The pharisees and lawmakers who had rejected John the baptist for his lifestyle where rejecting him also

Luke 7:30 ...but the pharisees and lawmakers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptised of him...

And Jesus said in verse 31

Luke 7:31 ...whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? And to what are they like?

Pay attention to the later part of verse 32

Luke 7:32b ...we have piped unto you and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you and ye have not danced.

Jesus was saying; We do una like this, una no wan take; we still do una dis oda way una still no wan take. How we go cari do una na?

This is prelude to what he was saying in verse 33-34, which means; John the baptist came to you in this way, you rejected him and me I came in another way and yet you still reject me.

He was rebuking the pharisees for using fault-finding to reject God's word.

Luke 7:33-34 in the right context means "to you, somebody who neither eats nor drinks has a demon, and somebody who eats and drinks is a glutton and drunkard, who then will you people accept?
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Struggling With My Faith, Please Help by raptureready:
uaphorism: Maybe its just a stage of life, maybe it'll pass and I'll outgrow it all..but lately, I find myself being skeptical about anything religious.. I mistakenly tune to a christian channel and I find the whole thing either extremely amusing or enormously annoying..
First off, are u born again? The carnal mind will always struggle to understand the things of the spirit. There are things which only the Holy Spirit can give you understanding about. That's what he's here for.

The clergy don't help matters at all, when they simply can not explain something, they tell you, you have to accept it by faith..or that the hidden things belong to God..

Now, those that claim to know how to make me lose my doubts, end up making statements and assumptions they can't use the scriptures to back up..

That is when you begin to hear stuff like, 'there was a gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2', 'Adam MUST have given birth to other kids that Cain wz able to marry', 'God SEEMS to have created the other people that Cain said were going to kill him', 'the prophecy in Matt 26:9 was through Zachariah when it is clearly stated Jeremy'..etc

The Bible is infallible as we're led to believe..there however are unexplainable mistakes.. Should we live our lives based on a book that states that it is complete and accurate, I mean, something inspired by God couldn't be inaccurate now..
The bible is infallible because it was inspired of God, however God still used men to pen it down.
Just like when book authors write a disclaimer about other books referenced in their book; "mistakes are mine, not theirs", maybe God should have made bible authors write a disclaimer! Lol.

Still, it is incredible that a book written by several authors over several centuries can have such a high level of accuracy. These "unexplaible mistakes" you refer to are usually typographical errors.

As regards to the gap theory and other mysterious things in the book of Genesis, note that it was written by Moses not as a detailed scientific description of the origin of life, but as a concise narrative. In the fella's defence how does he describe the creation in detail, he wasn't there now, was he?

Why soo many different conflicting doctrines??
You ever hear of the personality called Satan? Look at what the bible says;

Matt 13:24 ... his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat...

The diversity of doctrine is simply the devil doing what he does best; polluting something pure for his own end.
The bible even predicted this;

2 Tim 4:3 ...for the time will come when they will no longer endure sound doctrine...

With proofs from the Bible to lend them credence, which is false and which should we believe? Is He that was made a little lower than the angels
The bible is referring to mankind here, not Jesus

He that doesn't know of when the rapture will take place
He said so himself. Matt 24:36

is He equal with God the Father?
He and his father are one! Jn 10:30

Is there a place called hell for all sinners? So many conflicts..
YES!!! This is mentioned so many times in the bible that it defies understanding why some denominations deny this. Just read mark 9:43-48 and take heed to yourself.

Lastly, if I was born into a muslim home, will I still believe that Jesus is the only way?
People do convert from one religion to another, so maybe.

The billions of people convinced that their own religious tenets are the truth, will they all die and burn eternally in hell?
Unfortunately, YES. According to the word of God. Rev 20:15

Someone will tell me about the time of Noah..but then shouldn't God give a physical sign, something very glaring..to tell everyone that this or that is the right way?
Look at what Jesus said, when people asked him THIS SAME QUESTION!;
"An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, and none shall be given it except the sign of Jonah the prophet"
He sent his son, Jesus did several things to prove his divinity, they believed, but then realised he hadn't come to save them from the romans but from their sins, they changed their minds. Whatever can God do that is more "glaring" than sending his own son!
My dear I tell you, even if God where to appear in the sky now to reach out to people, folks will be like "OMG, a UFO!" or "Bunch of aliens come to push their goody-goody moral standards on us all, pls leave our planet alone!"

You tell me the supernatural happens in christianity but they happen in every other religion
The devil is also good at faking it, he is a master of illusions! But he can never do it like it happens in christianity.

and there are even many other religions that lead better, morally upright lives than christians..christians may even be the worst people on earth..
Not everyone who professes to be a christian, is a christian. The bible tells us that by their fruits we shall know them. Anyone who is not bearing fruits of righteousness in NOT a christian!

I still however believe that there is a God, The First Cause, The Creator of everything seen and unseen..
My dear, please hold on. He is your father in heaven. Read heb 11:6 esp. the later part.
Christianity EtcRe: I'm Struggling With My Faith, Please Help by raptureready: 2:42pm On Oct 19, 2013
GeneralShepherd: Tell me one thing in science accepted by faith just one.

I was really enjoying your post till I read and I quote, 'Scientists hav to accept certain things in faith! Until
actual verifiable proof are obtained'.
1. The big bang theory or any origin of the universe theory.
2. The wormhole theory
3. The multiverse theory
4. Einstein's relativity theory, particularly the part about the speed of light being the threshold speed.
5. The space-time continuum theory to explain gravity
6. The macro-evolution theory. No evidence for the "primordial soup" yet.

Make I continue? If you knew anything about science you would know why these are called theories and not laws.
Christianity EtcRe: Christianity And Drinking Of Wine by raptureready: 2:21pm On Oct 19, 2013
simple2004: is it a sin for christian to drink wine or alcoholic drinks? matured answers with bible references from christian pls.
4get what people say and look at what the bible says;
Proverbs 20:1 "Wine is a mocker,
strong drink is raging: and whosoever
is deceived thereby is not wise."
Isaiah 5:11 -- "Woe unto
them that rise up early in the morning,
that they may follow strong drink;
that continue until night, till wine
inflame them!"
Proverbs 23:29-31 -- "Who hath woe?
who hath sorrow? who hath
contentions? who hath babbling? who
hath wounds without cause? who hath
redness of eyes? (30) They that tarry
long at the wine; they that go to seek
mixed wine.(a mixture of wine and
spices) (31) Look not thou upon the
wine when it is red, when it giveth his
colour in the cup, when it moveth itself
aright."

Your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, and he dwells in you. Are you trying to make him share that bottle of small stout?

Dough_boy$$$:
1st Timothy 5:23 drink no longer water,but use a little wine for thy stomachs sake and thine often infirmities

How about dat
What paul was referring to are the conditions in which alchohol is used for medication. For example people with stomach acidity issues who need to balance out the acidity with alchohol's alkaline. In such cases it is taken AS MEDICINE in VERY little quantity.

Hard drugs like cocaine and the rest are sometimes used for medication under prescription. That don't justify you using them for high trips.

Illuminatus: It isn't a "sin". Christ drank wine during the Last Supper, created it in Cana and drank it at Zacheuss's house, but excessive drinking could lead you to sin.
You need to differenciate when the bible uses wine to mean alchohol and to mean ordinary fruit wine.
Unfortunately, because of cross-language interpretation issues and the ambiguity of hebrew words like "yayin, shekar" and greek words like "oinos"
early interpreters probably just lumped them all as "wine".
During the last supper, at cana, and in zacheus house, did anybody (Jesus included) sound drunk to you?

Pastor Kun: No it's not a sin for christian's to consume wine or alcoholic drinks. What the bible frowns against is drunkenness thus moderation is key.
Unfortunately, ALCOHOL IS ADDICTIVE! There is no real line defining moderation with it. You start small today, tomorrow you bcom addicted and the addiction grows! Same as you cannot use hard drugs in moderation.

In conclusion, when faced with gray areas of the bible, it is best to listen to the advice in 1 thess 5:22;

Abstain from all APEARANCE of evil

Don't wait until you are sure. If it even LOOKS like sin, my dear flee. Heaven is worth it!
Christianity EtcRe: Can You Marry A Non-believer by raptureready: 1:37pm On Oct 19, 2013
aManFromMars: But God asked a prophet to marry a prostitute na.. All na God's will..
That was a symbolic marriage to depict Isreal's whoring after other gods.

And BTW d question was not can a believer marry a prostitute now was it?
Christianity EtcRe: Can You Marry A Non-believer by raptureready: 1:30pm On Oct 19, 2013
The bible expressly forbids that. The relevant passages have already been mentioned.
Look at it like this, Jesus said "ye are of your father the devil, because his works ye do", in another place an apostle wrote, "he who sins is of the devil..."

So marrying an unbeliever kinda makes the devil your father-in-law now, doesn't it?

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