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NewNigeriaMind:
Wait let me understand this,

Fashola and fayemi the buhari favourites are the young lions.

Well,

Well Tinubu should let these two become all they can be, he should support.it.


Come on Tinubu, you are already great, you mentored these boys, let them do as they please.

Tinubu we respect you, but let these boys the young lions bloom.

What if Tinubu suspected the "young lions" have been tamed not to fight for "true federalism" which he has not indicated his intention to abandon? Maybe Tinubu is not as selfish as some think.

Nwunuken:
lie of of the century pls cross check your history book to know that tiv are the last tribe that migrate into benue valley

What stopped you from countering my "lie" with the "history book".

...migration in those days was constant. If you are a true historian you won't doubt what I said.

..."One human family"; that's what we all should be working to build.

zantkjack:
Jukun people are the most peaceful people you can leave with. But however, what a Jukun man does not want is disrespect and attempt to take what belongs to him. He will never touch your own and claim to take possession and also he does not want you to attempt to take his own and claim possession of it. That is what cause problem between them and those who leave with them(Visitor). A tiv or Yoruba man who have leave for ages in kano or Sokoto will not just wake up one day and said where he is leaving belong to him or that he too is entitle to become sultan or emir of kano. The revise also is that a hausa man leaving in calabar will not want to get the stool of obom of calabar. If that happened, you should expect crises. this thing happen every where in the world when a group want to take over another person's place of aboard. Egyptians push the Israelite out of Egypt, The arab took over Turkey and push the inhabitants out, Tiv people fought with visually all their neighbours because of land grabbing etc. Also note that there is the difference between religion and tribe. A Jukun man who finds peace in any of the religion and follow it does not mean that he is no longer a jukun man. Despite his religion what ever happened to his kinsmen he most stand to defend his tribe because he has no any other place apart from where God put him. A Yoruba man can never sell out his place to another person from elsewhere because they are of the same religion.
My guy please read properly the history of the Jukuns before you post a piece next time.

This stereotyping of Tiv people, based mainly on jealousy, will not get anybody anywhere. In the end, Jukuns and others in the Benue Valley are beginning to know who are their true friends.

uncle005:
Jukun people according to history were sharing boundary between the Idoma in Benue state and the Ndoma of Nassarawa state both in the old Benue plateau, the Jukun were homely accommodating they accommodate the Tiv who migrated migrated from Congo, gave them home,land and cattle to rear.

The Tiv people seeing the Jukun as a nice people and decided to settle down quickly having gone through violence that lead to their migration. After some years and increased in numbers, some of them find their way to Markurdi area and found the Idoma people there, they chase the Idoma people out of Markurdi and continue the chase till today. They were totally a stranger to the Idoma unlike the Jukun that knows the details about them, the Jukun nickname the Tiv as munchi meaning they ate the cattle instead of rearing them.

The Tiv people reside and dominate Benue, but the real owner of the state are the Jukun and Idoma, that is why if anything happens in that river (river Benue) its only Jukun and the Agatu people which is the Idoma people that eligible to enter the river.

I graduated from UAM, many thanks to Engnr in society. Waiting for Nairaland on Tiv and Idoma history.

Don't sit history on its head!

There were no Jukuns in Abinsi, no Jukuns or Idoma in the present Makurdi. Those areas were empty when the Tivs arrived. Some said Idoma preferred the dense forests where they could defend themselves better after the "Kwararafa tribes" quarreled and dispersed into tiny kingdoms. There is no record of any major war between Tivs and any of the tribes mentioned here during those migration days. The Jukuns of present-day Abinsi arrived when Tiv were already settled in the Benue Valley. The Abinsi and Wukari Jukuns had refused to live as subjects of the Fulani emir of Wase in the present-day Plateau state after the area fell to Fulani jihadists. Some of the Jukuns abdicated and are still there {in Wase} Those who objected to the Fulani rule moved Southward until they met the Igalas and decided to settle among them-as former Kwararafa brethren. However, things went wrong and fighting broke out between Jukuns and their Igala hosts. The battles were so hot that the Attah of Igala had to bury his most beautiful daughter, Inikpi, alive as a sacrifice to the gods for his people to win the war. Maybe the gods answered; for the Jukuns moved eastward until they met Tivs around the present Abinsi. Tivs welcome them in their midst and allowed them to settle at the bank of the River Benue {Present-day Abinsi} where they engaged themselves in fishing activities. Tiv settlements patterns reflect land fertility and water sources from, preferably, streams which offer cleaner drinking water. Therefore, the River banks were left largely empty. Any migrating fishing-group that came into areas already occupied by Tivs were allowed to settle on the River banks peacefully. That's why they have a group called "kabawa", among others, whose main trade is fishing doting the Benue bank and surrounded by Tiv villagers.

Around the present-day Wukari, Tivs were already settled and had cordial interactions with the Mumuye tribe, Kutebs and others before warriors among jukuns of Abinsi decided go to war against fulanis. It is said that the Jukuns were still angry against fulanis for destroying what was left of their Kwararafa Kingdom. Jukun legend have it that the warriors camped at the place now called Wukari overnight and left the next day but, along the way, they discovered that their chief priest had forgotten the war "Juju" at the place they slept. The priest and a few others went back to retrieve the juju but it had turned into an anthill. The priest then pronounced that the gods didn't want them to go any further. They then settled at the place and made it their spiritual headquarters. They enjoyed the friendship of surrounding Tiv villagers and exchanged visits and gifts. When fulanis warriors led by Mallam Sally of Misau later tried to overrun Wukari, it was Tivs who fought and pushed them back with their poisoned arrows.

Tiv are a curious kind of people who don't speak much for themselves, that's why some people feel free to write half-baked and "childish" history, like yours here, about them.

"Tension" was never high between Jukuns and Tiv until Lord Lugard's indirect rule system which refused to recognize the Tivs' highly decentralized system of govt placed them under the Jukun chief, Aku Uka. One part of Tiv land was placed under the emir of Lafia while the Ogoja chief was given the third. The Tivs' tireless objection to the white man's oppressive rule made them enemies of the white and their Fulani sub-colonialists whose emirate system was adopted as a model for the administration of Northern Nigeria. Before then, Tiv and Jukuns enjoyed a cordial relationship. One such demonstration of the friendly relationship between the two tribes was the help rendered to Jukuns of Abinsi in January 1906 when fighting broke out between them and Hausa traders over trading rights at the Royal Niger Company's grains collecting centre. Jukuns had the worst of the fight and called their "Tiv allies" {as reported in the Northern Nigeria Colonial records of 1906/1907} who came in their numbers and overwhelmed the traders.

...History is full of sh**t ...unfortunately many have held onto the dirty past and are marching us backward.

Basildvalour:
Just words of apology


Only if they knew how many lives those weaponry have claimed

The vessels were stripped of weapons, serviced, repainted and sold for civilian use. That means anyone who bought them for warfare purpose would need to rearm them. And by the way, have the Nigerian Maritime Agency and the Nigerian Navy not made clarifications on the matter?

So the genocide by fulanis against villagers in the Middle Belt is too insignificant to be mentioned? We saw it coming!

"neither my ambition nor that of any politician is worth the blood of any Nigerian". Only a few will still remember this great statement even after the euphoria. I pray GMB bows his head low and inwardly regret his past impulsive statements. God bless GEJ; God protect and guide GMB to lead well.

[quote author=nagoma post=32200590][/quote]Nagoma;

I don't expect you to be sober and honest enough to appreciate the bitter truth in my comment. What suffering have we experienced under GEJ that wasn't there in the previous govts under which we were rated as the third most corrupt country in the world. Tell that to kids who are just beginning to grasp the meaning of "suffering" and "incompetence". We all want to progress but not through deceit and manipulations by a set of power-hungry individuals and groups.

We are watching a preamble to an impending doom, no doubt about it. And I don't blame the "oil boy" protester whose wealth is the main reason for the convergence of the "big two groups" against his minority people. Be calm and help GEJ where necessary, they say no! power belongs to us and we must take it back. A gentle and shy GEJ, not experienced in subterfuge and whose good intentions for this country know no bound, watched helplessly as they moved from one part of the country to another, churning out conspiracy theories and stirring emotions of our largely less-enlightened populace. What moral ground have the "conspirators" over GEJ when most of them who have been plotting for the "change" have been part of the various past govts under which most of the ills of today either started or received more nourishment?

...There are reasons to be angry. However, let there be peace.

MzJackBaueress:
Guma people really fuccked up. The Tor Tiv is from Guma. That was where I served a decade ago.


Gboko did well. That is the home of the Tiv people.
I see Buhari winning in Benue.

Fulanis and their mercenaries from Chad, Mali,Niger, etc burnt down the Tor Tiv's village in Guma and occupied it with cattle for months. GEJ sent soldiers to remove them and two of them (soldiers) were killed in the process. When soldiers reinforced and traced them (Fulanis and their mercenaries) to a fulani settlement in Nasarawa and gunned down 15 of them, many prominent fulanis threatened GEJ and the army with ICC. So you can see why Tivs of Guma, a local govt that had 3/4 of its population displaced, with hundreds of them killed, preferred GEJ to a recluse fulani pastoralist who only speaks to Nigerians whenever he needed their votes. Let him win with other votes, not with those of Guma people.

I won't vote for an aloof and ill-informed pastoralist recluse who only shows his face to Nigerians whenever he needed their votes.

FOR ME AND MY ENTIRE CLAN CURRENTLY UNDER THE OCCUPATION OF MEMBERS OF PASTORALISTS ASSOCIATION OF AFRICA LED BY BUHARI, WE WILL VOTE FOR GEJ WHERE WE ARE PRESENTLY TAKING REFUGE IN SAFE-MADE MAKESHIFT CAMPS.

Even though GEJ has not done much to check Buhari's fulani insurgents, we prefer him to that gaunt recluse who, like his fulani kinsmen, believes that land and its plants belong to Allah so no one has the right to prevent them from grazing anywhere they could find grass. That' s the philosophy responsible for the bloodshed in the Middle Belt.

Everyone with his/her reason/s for or against.

...yet killing these beasts in human cloaks (BH) was "killing northerners". We shall see how simple and honest truth fares against hypocrisy and ill-informed aloofness on Saturday.

breadandbutter:



Over hyped squad that failed to win any trophy

They won the 1994 African Nations' cup before stunning the world at the World Cup where they emerged "The Second Best entertaining Team In the World". Inexperience caused their second round ouster by Italy.

What I know is that all holders of PVCs in the core north, whether genuine or fake, must vote; for no human being on this planet can stop the hausa/fulani man/woman from casting his/her vote for their candidates ...Otherwise hell will be let loose. Just watch!

It's funny reading some people here trying to laugh off OPC. Adams leads millions of people, most of whom have their PVCs to vote and make a difference. Underrate him and you are showing how childish you are about the support you have been screaming for your candidate.

Oil! Oil! Oil! No wonder, goats and cows were counted as humans to have enough "population" for the creation local govt areas in the core north to enable the thieving schemers receive oil-money from the federation account. Thank God, the US is helping us to come to our senses with their departure as a major buyer of our crude and increased local production. We no see anytin yet!

xpac01:
Urrm, Nope, not that. I imagine the check point mounted by the church might be real obstruction to the military network around the location.

Don't defend what cannot be defended. Read the OP well and digest the details.

SweetyZinta:
Issorite, dis gonna be interesting! We must progress.




#Giveuschange ooo
#teamchange
#inBuhariWeTrust

Don't worry yourself; for in the north where Buhari will hold sway, the Card Readers will never dare to fail. If the do, the election officials in-charge will say goodbye to mother earth. Luckily for them (election officials) the Card Readers must work!

What blatant face-saving lies! So Deby who allowed BH to establish training camps in his country now has the gut to make wild and crazy claims. Not so surprising that some Nigerians with short and biased memory believe that queer character. If not for France that has changed its tolerance toward Chad and Cameroon on the BH matter, the two countries wouldn't have done anything to provoke boko haram into attacking them and drawing them into the war. Shameless Deby!

If it is the girl in Bauchi, she was a Christian from the Seyawa ethnic group; she wore no hijab and was on her way to the market when she encountered those Muslim youths who were on a religious procession. It was deliberate murder!

Nasarawa and Taraba are "suspects" as the huge Tiv populations in the two states who would generally vote for GEJ have been displaced and their homes burnt by fulanis and their mercenaries. The remnants there are still being hunted by armed fulanis; even part of Benue is affected. The game plan is thick, but it will fail!

What is the "confession" there? Did he admit to taking part in a meeting convened to plan how to rig the elections? Saying that the tape was authentic is different from "confessing" to a crime. There is nothing in this piece to convince anyone who understands the meaning of "confession" that Omisore' s quoted response to that reporter amounted to a "confession". This over-dramatisation of the issue by Sahara Reporters has helped to muddle up those "percepts" that would have stood out clearly for anyone to observe and understand exactly what transpired in that meeting. One hopes Obanikoro goes on to sue the (Sahara Reporters and anyone else involved in making the accusations) so that the truth or otherwise of the whole thing would be known.

... Give it to Tiwa Savage. Those "chubby cheeks" of Stormrex hide any outstanding beauty she may have.

GEJ' s understanding transcends those narrow restrictions imposed by some religions which try to define how their adherents respond to even greeting from followers of the other religions. While we waste our time arguing over religious differences, the president looks beyond that into the underlying oneness that hold all of us together as members of one human family. Such simpleness must have bewildered those Arab Sheiks in flowing garbs.

vjsmiles:
YOU REEK OF CORRUPTION.
THE 32TRN IS YET TO BE FOUND AND NEVER TO BE FOUND AND WHOSE POCKET IS IT---->>

People like you are the reasons why charlatans who call themselves whistle-blowers continue to feel they are important members of the society. ..,32TRN. It was Lamido Sanusi's 49bn, 12bn and later 20bn; now its Soludo's 32 trillion. Gullible Nigerians.

...and who is behind those killers of black African population in the Darfur region in Omar Bashir's country? Why did Ogwuche, the Nyanyan bomber, run to Sudan instead of the US or Israel? ... Terrorist!

These lawyers with sabi sabi don't seem to understand President Jonathan's take on the matter. The president speaks bearing in mind Nigerians' attitude toward someone who is said to be "corrupt" and the one who is said to be "a thief". There is, therefore, no need for any legal "sabiness" interpretation thereto. Go to a market place and point to some one and call him "corrupt" and see how many heads will turn to look at the person. But call the same person "thief" and see what will happen. GEJ wants us to remove these corrupt persons from the domain of vague legal interpretations into the open field where ordinary Nigerians could see them for what they really are; "thieves"!

Bluetooth2:
Alamesia came from your area. He was stripped by Obj for stealing but you went ahead to grant him a presidential pardon same with Kashamu who has a trial in the US and Bode Tewonde George who stole money in NPA and also benfitted from your presidential madness.

Something is wrong with you sir !

Buhari took over power in 1984 to fight corruption and had all airports surrounded by security personnel to prevent corrupt Nigerians and or their corroborators from sneaking out with our money or bringing in stolen Naira to exchange old notes with the new notes yet he allowed 55 suite cases into the country with an order not to check them ...because an emir from his "village" owned them. Who is deceiving who?

This cyber warfare is becoming "distasteful": would Okupe actually engage people on twitter using such foul language and incorrect spellings? I want to believe his account was hacked.

stevecantrell:
GEJ is not in control of this situation(and these forces) , he only thinks he is...let's keep watching.

Sure? Well, but don't you think he desrves respect for surviving these relentless and multi dimensional "assaults" for this long?

I'm beginning to respect this GEJ for quickly evolving into a "stone-hearted" Nigerian President: the kind of heart that emboldened IBB and co to annul June 12. Shebi the core north has been bragging it is the only region with individuals who could mess up things without apology. GEJ, a "bloody civilian" is doing it well, though with better justification, craft and civility.