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Joshthefirst:
My definition of God is of the uncreated creator, the uncaused cause of all things. The eternally existent one.

Source and prove your claim

As to the bolded, the problem of evil ceases to become a problem when you consider God created beings with free agency, and promises to one day judge all evil completely.

This promise of a new completely good creation is also a promise of judgement on the beings who side with evil. Thus the Christian message of repentance and warning.

What is my business with what your religion teaches or what your version of god says.

Besides you don't follow what other Gods say neither to what their religion teaches.


So you agree with me that a God that is omnipotent, omnibelenovent and who is willing to stop evil/suffering is mutually exclusive with the evil/suffering in this world. It is either this God doesn't have these attributes, incompetent or it doesn't exist at all

Is this your God omnipotent, omnibelenovent and willing to stop evil?

Joshthefirst:
It isn’t me that doesn’t get it, it’s you, and I’ll show you.

If good and evil are human products, and humans change over time, then what right do you have to say God and evil cannot coexist, when good itself is a subjective human construct. Why do you use subjective human construct that even changes over time to suddenly deny the existence of an objective being? How immature is that? “My version of morality says there is evil in this world, how can a God allow my definition of evil to exist, therefore there is no God”. Does this sound sensible to you? This can only be sensible, if you agree that good and evil are not just subjective whims but are objective values that apply to God, who is an objective being, i.e, Your version of morality which is objective says that there is intrinsic objective evil in this world, how can a good God allow this to exist...etc. But we both know why you can’t say this, abi?

Your argument is dead on arrival.

I think I've made it clear by saying sceptics use the argument against Theist who hold on to the ideas that the God is benevolent, omnipotent and he is willing to stop evil?

The theist defined evil(rape, murder), then went ahead an say this God is omnipotent, omnibelenovent and omnivolent.

Since the world is filled with suffering and evil(evil here according to the theist), then God with the aforementioned attributes can't exist, since God(omnipotent, omnibelenovent, omnivolent) is mutually exclusive with the suffering and evil.
So the existance of this god is logically impossible!

My problem here is that the theist had already defined what evil is, then gave attributes(omnipotence, omnibelenovence, omnivolence) to this Supposed God. If so why evil and suffering in the world?

Is it a matter of debate that with the suffering/evil in this world a God with such attributes can't exist?

However don't get me wrong, I don't go about arguing with deist that, with the suffering/evil in the world so God(s) cant or don't exist.

Besides what does the existence of a god has to do with suffering or evil

on the contrary, it is only when I lay claim to an objective morality that I claim rape and torture is intrinsically evil, irrespective of individual whims or subjective or environmental upbringing. For example, you cannot tell me rape is evil, when according to my upbringing we rape women to teach them humility. That is my own subjective morality, and you cannot impose your subjective whims on mine, see?

You cannot truly call anything intrinsically good or evil when you hold to the notion that good or evil is subjective. And if you dare say good and evil are objective, you must agree to a transcendent Entity who defines these objective morality in the universe.

This is the argument for God from morality.

And yes evil and good are subjective so it cant or shouldn't be used to deny the existence of a God. In fact I've always argued with atheist/sceptics that argue this due to the very reason I bolded up.

Moreover I'll like to know what you called God or what it is.

effissyman:
help me ask oo
If Islam has then why not Christianity

Are you in competition with them?

Joshthefirst:
First, where's everyone from the good old days? Jack Nozzle(LB), amanfrommars, plaetton, deep sight, etc? How're you all doing? It's literally been years.

To the topic then:
One common question from sceptics; if there is a God, why is there so much evil in this world.

This question is only directed to theist who claimed the god or a god is actively involved in the affairs of his subjects and having attributes such a being omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent.

So!
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then from whence comes evil?"

The argument from the sceptic tries to show a logical impossibility in the coexistence of God and evil, it is improbable that there is an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenelovent God with the evil evident in the world.

So since it is evident evil exist in the world, this said God can't exist.

I hope you get it?

But what is good? And what is evil? We cannot define these terms without an objective transcendent moral standard

Good and evil are products constructed through human interaction and coexistence, hence as a byproduct of
culture, custom, societal norms on a societal level to foster coexistence build upon selection, acting on the societal level. Murder and theft( or any vice) tend to be socially destabilizing. So societies that don't discourage this behaviors die out more easily than those expressly forbidding them. Think of any moral obligations, they are all beneficial to the long term survival of the society. This selection pressure condition members or new members (children) to abide by this rules to ensure continuity of the society.

So goodness is inculcated not inborn likewise evil.

This why, morals, good/evil tend to evolve or change/tilt in accordance how it its benefit/affect us.

Thus recognition of evil serves to confirm you reasoning of the morality behind the events of the world around us.
Without God, there is no real good and evil, only evolutionary figments of the imagination, and whatever suits anyone. Therefore the question of evil in the world affirms the existence of a creator who has made moral beings.

if the god had approve of torture as good and disapprove of helping our neighbors as bad.

Can we hold on to such as torture (good) or helping neighbour (evil)?

If you think good/evil and morals is/should be the product of a transcend source (God), then you have no right to deny/falsely killing, rape, torturing... if they claimed God told them they are good behaviors worthy of doing since you are not one to define what is good or bad to God.

Or if I tell you god told me to kill, would my action be good or bad?

yazga:
STOP DATING MENTALLY BROKE GIRLS
I mean:
1. A girl who doesn't have transport fare to see someone who she claims she loves

Be more specific, you should have say

A girl who doesn't use her money to pay for her transport fare to see someone who she claims she loves even when she have it or can afford it.

So what if your girlfriend leaves in south Africa? You shouldn't date her because she can't afford or she don't have the fund to transport herself to Nigeria.

Or if she don't have or can't afford to transport herself from Abuja to meet you in Lagos

Or pay #500 or #200 to visit you

2. A lady who can't get you a birthday or a Valentine's day gift, but expects you to bring down the world for her.

100% on point

You can't say you don't have money to buy. Any amount you have you can get a gift, besides who says it most be a material present.

3. Someone who can't comfortably call you on phone for 5mins. Always flashing and complaining she doesn't have airtime even when you know you just sent her airtime.

100% on point

4. Someone who thinks relationship is an occupation where she is supposed to be paid and taken care of

100% on point

5. Someone who's only contribution to the relationship is sex (which is enjoyed by both parties.) She can't add value to ur life emotionally, financially, spiritually. No matter how beautiful a lady is,never settle for less, some ladies have money& bliv it's a guy's duty to spend

100% on point

I know some ladies will frown at this but i am not saying this because i have heaven n earth, no. Little things like this count in a relationship. No man can forget a lady who does this no matter how things ended between them.if u read to this point

Not only frown, they should fry

Martinez39s:
I will do that in another thread. Let me finish the memes for now.

Please mention me.
Very curious to hear

All the scam tactics that I've ever seen
their is no way I'll fall for them.

But truly this one I'll have fall for it.

kurt09:
Nigeria is poverty capital of the world. $200 is more than two months npower stipend. It is a huge money for more than 130 million Nigerian.

IeatPussy:
Bro, whether you talk from today till tomorrow, $200 is a very huge amount of money in Nigeria. Forget about what internet guys are doing these days that make spending above $200 looks cheap.

To tell you the truth, if not for internet advancement all over the world and the Chinese market that made smartphone more cheaper for us, How many Nigerian will be earning more than $200.

Remember, Npower beneficiary are earning way below.

Am surprised that you guys are even responding to him. Just look at the reasons he gave

Less than 6 years back a politician promised to pay youths $15 every month, more than 60% of the country await for it like their life depends on it hence this shows what $15 is to some Nigeria population. In fact they see it an an entitlement not because of the promise but because they need it.

Just some days back minimum wage was $50 (18k). $200 is four times the country's minimum wage. There is no country in this world where 4x its minimum wage would be small amount of money within it's territory.

And some one would open mouth and say $200 is not a big money in Nigeria?

Oaroloye

Yeah all the sect can't be right, but what's my business with which sect practice the right type.

Every sect would claim to be the right one with the right doctrine and interpretation of the bible. So am not the one to tell who or which is a Christian or not.

I checked your threads and post and you seem to have a very different doctrine, belief or ideas from the very vast Christians I know of.

Would you mind telling me your sect, its core teaching and beliefs in summary?

And your post tend to be very very looong I doubt if people would have the patience to read them.

I've never come across a lady or woman who don't know how to cook.

Maybe in the other side of the world

If i happen to see and touch one, It would be wonders of the world that I'll see in and touch first

Considering how a typical African way of life is, or more specific Nigeria. In most homes usually their are certain type of chores the children perform and it becomes sophisticated as they grow older.

...Girls usually wash plates and as they reach some certain stage they help in the kitchen...

How is it possible, does that means this set of ladies grew up in house with maids that perform every domestic chore throughout their lives? And again the mother never made efforts to teach them. Or the girls never picked interest to learn?

Or when you say "can't cook" you mean how well in terms of score? Like 5/10 depending on how palatable the cook is with the available ingredient/receipt?

Though I've come across some people ridiculing/mock some ladies which I think isn't fear because it not their fault.

You shouldn't expect a lady to cook a dish she had never come across. Be it traditional, local or foreign dish. So also the use of receipt. A local lady without much exposure from a very local environment jellof rice would contain simpler recipe/ingredients and would look less sophisticated compared to a lady with wide exposure. Does that mean the local lady don't know how to cook?

Though I've come across a lady that laterally cooked salad.

Or am I missing something

ElonMosque:
God help us. After 27 days that I started I'm kinda tired but I just know I need to keep buying more names...

Only 27 days
What is your portfolio size currently?

Just keep on registering and outbound sales would start rolling.

oaroloye

Hope you know that their are numerous sect in Christianity with almost or completely different doctrines beliefs or interpretation of the Bible.

And from all my questions I've asked if god is omniscient or not and all those that quoted me answered yes.

In this case their is no point in discussing with you. The question is directed to those that hold on to such beliefs.

I can see you have been crying that we are following the ideas of some people just because I and kingxsamz question the belief and ideas of god as portrayed by some Christians as being omniscient in respect to hell/heaven

Oaroloye
I am proud to say that I do not "THINK FOR MYSELF," concerning my Religion, but FOLLOW WHAT MY SCRIPTURES SAY- and don't make up IMAGINARY BELIEFS- like: "EVERY WORD OF THE BIBLE IS INSPIRED BY GOD!" or, "IF I REPENT ON MY DEATHBED, I WILL STILL GO TO HEAVEN!" or, "I AM EXPECTED TO FOLLOW MY RELIGION WITHOUT ANY PROOF THAT IT LEADS TO GOD!" and other Oyinbo self-serving misrepresentations of Christianity.

So because your brain does not have the capacity to think and reason for itself but only relay on a book written by some primitive Jewish herders which was brought to you by some white missionaries telling you about what their go is, what he wants and how he wants you to live your life

Makes you think everyone is like you abi?

Why are you so better, why calling someone .fool? If you don't have answers or explanation is not a must to quote! people

And how does writing a very long epistle with quotation from a Jewish Scripture makes your post any reasonable?

shadeyinka:
I did answer your question
1. Your analogy assumed that all humans including you are children of God
2. If we are indeed all children of God then, your analogy holds tight and right.
3. Unfortunately, we are NOT children of God by default
4. This makes your analogy fall flat in your face.
5. Secondly, You also assume implicitly that humans are important enough (that's why you compare them to children of a father). Unfortunately, you aren't important. Why do you think any of us is better than a lizard or a mouse?
6. I now showed you the true position of things.
VOLITION is not true until it is TESTED! Volition certainly may have consequence but test is a necessary followup to absolute freedom.


Again if you'll read:

Its either you are a troll,or you can't comprehend simple illustration or you mistook/failed to grasp what I cited or tried to point out from my analogy. If its the later fine!

I only tried to cite an example go back and read it again.

since god is omniscient why is he making efforts to save people from hell since he already know where they'll be even before he created the world?

If he knows that 100 people would end up in hell even before he created the world, is it possible only 99 would go to hell?

Since He's omniscient even now he knows the exact individuals, so why died for them, preaching and warning them and so on. Or is he not omniscient? As his worshippers claimed

shadeyinka:
You are lost?
I repeat you are NOT a child of God.
Because your aren't His and because you are as insignificant as a microbe, you are disposable!

What's the difference between you and a monkey if not because you have a conscience and a higher intelligence!

It doesn't cost God anything to give you what you EARNED while on this earth as it doesn't cost you anything to REAP what you've Planted.

You're NOTHING but star dust!

When or where did I say am the child of your imaginary friend?

Why are you avoiding the question, you quoted me twice but you avoided answering the question by writing irrelevant epistle

shadeyinka:
You are so naive!

You and every humans are NOT a child of God by default. You aren't better than goats and dogs except that your programming is way more advanced. If truth be spoken, You are like an experimental bacteria by nature (a bacteria that can be wasted in millions by a simple antiseptic in the toilet). You do not have any value for you are but earth/star dust. Hope you are not disappointed!

You are just like an expensive AI robot no more no less. Hence, the analogy of having a CHILD is pure nonsense. I wonder where you got the idea that we are God's children by default.

If that will hopefully reset your woeful comprehension and self importance, let me explain to you the reason you are here: and I will put it in a way any intelligent and reasonable human being can comprehend.

God made man with a superior AI and He gave Him the power of VOLITION. Gods desire is to select humans who will love Him and relate to Him as a child will relate to a parent. BUT because of Volition, man has the power to choose either to accept or to reject God by his own choice.

The earth is just a laboratory vial where everyone has the right to be what they want to be. At the end, God will select those who CHOOSE to love rather than those who CHOOSE to hate Him. And every one will be rewarded according to how he has fared.

God is omniscient. But reward is different from a gift. A reward MUST be earned. Hence, by foreknowledge, God cannot reward a person.

If you know a little science. Let's say you (a scientist) discovered a strain of bacteria that ferments ordinary water to sweet wine BUT you discovered that the bacteria can also by choice produce toxins. Now, you desire only the bacterias that will by choice always consistently produce sweet wine.

Will you not fashion a selection method to sift between useful and useless bacteria?
What will you do with the useless bacteria?


Think!!


And so, do you claim you believe the scientific impossibility that nothing made/created everything?

What is this?
Why won't you read my post before replaying?

If I don't want to eat outside, I'll employ a cook not marry.

shadeyinka:
God is Just!
He will repay everyone according to what he/she has DONE not what He knows they would do in future.

In other words, whatever you do or not do is of you to decide not God. And with choices comes accountability!

If you didn't understand the question Let me simply the question for you like a primary school teacher

Year 0000
You are omniscient so you know the future.
You know if you give birth to a child, what his gender, complexion, weight and everything would be and you know he won't know how to solve maths.

Year 2020, you gave birth to the child everything was perfect(gender, weight, complexion etc and definitely he doesn't know maths (you are omniscient so you can't be wrong) just like you know it even before you gave birth to him.

You then enrolled him in school, got angry because he can't solve maths, beat him because he had an F in maths, you also went ahead to employ an extra maths tutor to teach him, in fact you stay home just to teach him maths. All this you are doing is to see that he learn maths.

In this case it is either you are insane, crazy, you don't know what you are doing... Or you aren't omniscient.

All the efforts you are putting to make him learn maths show you are crazy, insane, confusion is your name and if your child learn maths(that means you're not omniscient) because you know he won't know how to solve maths even before you gave birth to him.

This is what your God or idea of god being omniscient in relation to either hell or heaven means.

He know the number of people that would go to either place, he knows the exact individuals, even their names but he still makes efforts to save them grin

So if he knows 100 would go to hell, can only 99 enter? grin

Or if he knows 100 would go to heaven can only 80 enter?

oaroloye

Why did you modify/edit your previous post and in cooperate my post into it?

And please what are you? Because you don't seem like a mainstream Christian.

solite3:
why will he die for you even if you are still going to perish? I have answered it in my simplified way.

Why is he making so much efforts to save me if he knows I won't change?

Jesus didnt just died for you but for the whole world, that itself shows that God equally love every man.

You are bringing irrelevant answers, if you didn't understand the question Let me simply the question for you like a primary school teacher

Year 0000
You are omniscient so you know the future.
You know if you give birth to a child, what his gender, complexion, weight and everything would be and you know he won't know how to solve maths.

Year 2020, you gave birth to the child everything was perfect(gender, weight, complexion etc and definitely he doesn't know maths (you are omniscient so you can't be wrong) just like you know it even before you gave birth to him.

You then enrolled him in school, got angry because he can't solve maths, beat him because he had an F in maths, you also went ahead to employ an extra maths tutor to teach him, in fact you stay home just to teach him maths. All this you are doing is to see that he learn maths.

In this case it is either you are insane, crazy, you don't know what you are doing... Or you aren't omniscient.

All the efforts you are putting to make him learn maths show you are crazy, insane, confusion is your name and if your child learn maths(that means you're not omniscient) because you know he won't know how to solve maths even before you gave birth to him.

This is what your God or idea of god being omniscient in relation to either hell or heaven means.

He know the number of people that would go to either place, he knows the exact individuals, even their names but he still makes efforts to save them

So if he knows 100 would go to hell, can only 99 enter?

Or if he knows 100 would go to heaven can only 80 enter?

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



ALL OF OUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD CAN ONLY COME FROM THE HOLY SCRIPTURES!

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 12:32-13:5.

32. What thing soever I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.
IF there arise among you a Prophet,
or a Dreamer of Dreams,
and giveth thee a Sign or a Wonder,
2. And the Sign or
the Wonder come to pass,
whereof he spake unto thee, saying,

"LET US GO AFTER OTHER GODS,
WHICH THOU HAST NOT KNOWN,
AND LET US SERVE THEM;"

3. Thou shalt not hearken unto
The Words of that Prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams:
for The LORD your God proveth you,
to know whether ye love
The LORD your God
with all your heart
and with all your soul.
4. Ye shall walk after
The LORD your God,
and fear Him,
and keep His Commandments,
and obey His Voice,
and ye shall serve Him,
and cleave unto Him.
5. And that prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams,
shall be put to death;
because he hath spoken
to turn you away
from The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the Land of Egypt,
and Redeemed you
out of the House of Bondage,
to thrust thee out of The Way
which The LORD thy God
Commanded thee to walk in.

NOBODY'S THEORIES OR REVELATIONS MEAN ANYTHING, WHEN THEY CONTRADICT THE LAW OF MOSES.

That is what makes THE QUR'AN AND HADITH INVALID as "Words of God."

But BLACK ATHEISTS are really FOOLS when they allow OYINBO ATHEISTS to play upon their ignorance, with arguments of how ridiculous Christian Beliefs are, without showing that they actually are Biblical Beliefs.

The absurdity and ridiculous belief of Christianity won't be hard for kids in elementary school to figure out, that is why you are not allowed to ask questions in Christianity, Bible or God due to lack of answers. Dont ask questions the devil is using you, follow it like zombie even if it lack fact and common sense

Funny you didn't see the irony in what you wrote. When you're following the beliefs of a minute Jewish community brought to you by some white folks who told you your indigenous belief is sham and you abound yours carry theirs like gala for head?

YAHWEH GOD has NEVER claimed to be OMINISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, nor OMNIPRESENT.

The bible made me an athiest. No wonder You are still a Christian because you don't read your Bible. Should I cite where he claimed so?

The term OMNIPOTENT only occurs ONCE in The Bible and once in the APOCRYPHA- in neither case did GOD claim to have such an attribute: some people were just flattering Him. There is no place in the Scriptures nor Apocrypha where God is depicted as exhibiting such attributes. It is a waste of time to consider unapplicable attributes of God.

They were flattering him, and he went ahead to inspire the writers to write it? Funny

The Oyinbos know all this, but get their "jollies" from making fools agree with them.

Even a child would figured out how inconsistent, redicolous and absurd your religion, idea of God and belief is.

You worship a middle eastern Jewish god brought to you by some whites. The joke is on you fella

FIRST OF ALL VERIFY YOUR FACTS BEFORE COMMITTING BLASPHEMY.

YOU are the one who made up "MAN-MADE IDEAS" about what the Religion of God is, instead of finding out what It actually was.

Muttleylaff mrpresident olaadegbe frosbel2 blueangel44

Is God omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent? Help me out because I don't want to vex god by blaspheming

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH IS WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.



That means that Men naturally follow Ways God does not approve of, and which invite the Negative Judgments of God.

Therefore, God only looks at those who are doing things that He will not have to judge.

[color=silver].[/color] 2^ndCHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
Run to and fro
throughout the whole Earth,
to shew Himself strong
in the behalf of them
whose heart is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars."

IT IS THEREFORE EASY FOR HIM TO IGNORE SINNERS.

It is the JOB of the Righteous t o draw God's Attention to Sinful Situations, so that God can do something about them in a measured and controlled manner, without being forced to either destroy all Sinners, or else be a party to their wicked deeds.

And you keep on writing irrelevant things?

solite3:
read again



handle what! My faith has met real life challenges yet it overcamr.

The question your have been avoiding?

You have refused to reason because of your brain programmed. You calimed if God is omniscience why should he allow people to make their choice? Isnt that silly.

This is not my question

If you are going to end up in hell, why will God allow to hear the gospel? All these questions has being answered only if you could comprehend my post. God allows you to hear the gospel so that you will have no excuse when you are judged please read this verses very well.

Psalms 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

Did you see? God allows you to hear the gospel so that it will be a witness against you and God will be justified.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Did you see that the reason why the gospel will be preached to all nations is so that it will witness against them.

The gospel does two things either it saves you or it witness against you.


Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

So you see why the gospel is be preached? It is to save those who would be saved but condem those who would be condemned.

My question is not why would God allow us to make choices since he is omniscient

Here is my question

People that have only 100, 300, 900k are getting married.

Other might have 5, 7, 10 million can still say they aren't ready financially.

The question is "how much would you have in your account before thinking of marriage"

The question need individual specific answers.

I don't want kids, so even if I earn 50k monthly income with no saving I'll go and marry i.e when I reach 32.

So if I can have a girlfriend, what's the difference? Just certificate

I think people who should worry about financial strength mostly applies to those that would be saddled with the responsibility that comes with rising children

Stephenmoka4:
One thing I know for sure is, you might start asking questions and even deviate from your primary questions. It's quite normal that answers are always not satisfying and shades of questions from elsewhere are likely to pour out, I've spoken to people with similar thoughts. Peace

Oga you didn't answer the question

0000 years
God is omniscient he knows where I'll end even before he created the world, right? Let's say he knows am going to hell.

After 10000 years
Is it possible I'll come to this world live my life, do the right thing and end up in heaven?

Stephenmoka4:
1. Yes he knows everything

2. The need for conversion, preaching etc are for supressing sins and immorality. People would be wondering that he knows the amount of people that would be for light or darkness. It's quite simple if you tell some people that they will fail an exam, they will resist and want to give a shot but, still fail though some will pass (I know many will battle with that statement)

3 There is no script

You agreed God is omniscient and he knows everything. He knows if I'll die as an atheist and enter hell fire even before he created the world. Why would he waste to to save me through preaching, conversion, sending prophets, warning etc since he knows I'll not heed to it. Why all the efforts? Is he not omniscient?

If you are omniscient and you know when you send your sibling on errand he won't go.

You then send others to caution him, you threatened him, beg him. Since you are omniscient you already know it he won't heed to all this, why wasting time begging and persuading him. To change his mind?when you already know he won't change

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Kaycee

Please suggest some good sitcom comedy for me.

Something of this class Big bang theory, friends, Seinfeld, shameless, neighborhood, family guy,modern family...

jcross19:
you are suffering from dementia! And there are lots of holes in your brain , you need surgery .

OK,

Then answer the question
Since God is omniscient why would he send his son to die for me, why would he make efforts to save me if he already knew I'll end up in hell? Why send me to earth again, to change my mind? When he already knew that I won't change? Why all the efforts?

kingxsamz:
What are you saying?
If he's omniscient then it means he knows the end result of every outcome.
Whether one changed his mind or not, he already knew what would happen at the end.
So your point is not valid.

So if he already knows the result of every outcome, and therefore knows the amount of people going to hell, why bother to create them?

It's like leaving a 4 year old child in the house alone and asking that child to make soup, (something which you know the child isn't capable of doing) and then you get back to realise that the child didn't make the soup, and then you punish the child for not doing what you asked him.

Please if you can't give a straightforward answer without quoting any bible verse or adding irrelevant stories, please don't bother to replying.

My problem is not about the punishment sef. My concern is why going to the extend of telling him to cook, giving him the receipt, procedures and begging him. Why all this efforts since you know he won't even do it, is the God acting based on a script?

Xavfra:
Teach me what u read from geography

Oga you'll wait tire
Avoiding to answer you and giving excuses not to answer is what he learned from geography

profolaolu:
Only a fool will waste his time to prove a point to someone who has been blinded by sentiment.

Just give the point, how would my sentiment change the fact or its validity?

Answer it so that others that are following the thread can learn.

profolaolu:
Like I said, man is a moral agent that have the opportunity of choosing what they want, and GOD is an omnipotent and omniscient GOD who knows the beginning to the end, but GOD can change HIS mind, GOD knows Abraham will be sorrowful if HE destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and HE gave him chances to prove a case, another one GOD knew King Hezekiah will become bad, so HE wanted to take him before that time, but Hezekiah decided to challenge GOD and GOD gave him an option of 15years more and eventually he fell, GOD knows the end from the beginning, but like a Potter, HE can change HIS mind. HE decided to annialiate Israelites but Moses beg HIM and HE change HIS mind

Jesus!!!
Please no kill me with laugh
How does this answer the question?
Why are you deliberately avoiding the question?
Am not asking you whether God gave me option or not, or how God can be merciful

My question is since he is omniscient, he definitely knows how I'll end, if I'll end in hell he knows. So why is he making efforts to save me when he already know I won't heed to it? Why sending prophets, preachers giving warning etc

profolaolu:
If it hit, I wouldn't have responded, there are thousands of people that will see and ignore, but he has already concluded.

It has hit you have that's why you have nothing to say.

Your response has noting to do with the questions

You thought I'll ask you Sunday school questions ne?

My conclusion is based on my opinion derived through critical thought and reasoning, so prove me otherwise if am wrong.