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abdulazeez1002:
Have science gotten the cure for epilepsy

Has religion gotten the cure for anything or has religion ever made an attempt to cure anything..... Shallow response.

Religion is darkness , it's a product of ignorance...
Science is the way to answer questions, it' provides logical and practical approach to problems....

With increase in knowledge, many superstitious beliefs are buried..
Once upon a time, epilepsy was demonic possession...but science has brought light to such dark and ignorant belief system.

There are no mysteries but ignorance

Religion is darkness

Funaki:
you like arguing with people that are hidebound. Adam to Abraham is 20 generations, Abraham to Jesus is 42 generations. So, 2000 years ago, we've only had 62 generations of homo sapiens according to the bible. Anyone arguing this is just trying to shift goal post. 62 generations can't even make up to 10000 years.

Lol, I know, just trying to see how far he can stretch his assumptions and excuses to compensate for the Bible's lapses

GerogeI:
You have invalidated your own points, if you accept that it took only a few thousand years for homo sapiens to evolve, what's your point exactly about requiring billions of years for races. A race is not even a different specie, it is merely variation within same specie. According to science, 60 thousand years ago, some of the forbearers of homosapiens were still on earth. Let's not believe you for this, let's look at facts.


I never told you homosapiens were far more older than 200k years. Am not sure where you got that from. At most homo sapiens are only 200k to 300k years. Beyond that are other forms of apes without the intelligence of sapiens.

Your whole literal interpretation of bible years is leading you to the famous six days of creation. In case you need understanding, those days are not earth days, as the sun was not even yet in place when they started counting. Further, the evolution God seeded both in the sea and on land were well underway before God decided to make Man as we know him today. He took of the stock of the earth ( the existing apes) and the stock of himself (His breath) to make man. Am not sure howelse one would expect men of old to explain genetic engineering. Every other thing evolved. For man, God took an existing ape and infused some thing unearthly into him. That's why no other animal is like man.

Also in case you are still wondering, the earth like many other planets had been made long long ago before God decided to terraform it. It was a gaseous planet- without form and void. So the billions of years of earths transformation are well captured in the bible, except when you claim the six days to be earth days. They are rather God's day which we have no clue about. Except that the bible says that a thousand years for God is but a second. Am sure you can do the literal conversion to God days to find your missing billion years.

You seem to like everything being inconsequential. Please the earth day is increasing by 1.7 milli sec per 100k years. My point is there are interplanetry factors that can vary the length time, so why postulate as if time is a constant? This is only the effect of earth revolution. What about the effect of formation of the moon or demise of a nearby planet, especially seeing that our solar system has a rich asteroid belt. The possibilities are many and we simply do not know the whole earth history.

we started by attempting to establish the time mismatch of biblical stories....
To cut the argument short, I did not write the Bible, we are both speaking based on what has been written in the Bible, the writers stated clearly the genealogy of jesus which is the best means available to estimate the Bible time.. You and I can't change what was written already

About 64 generations in all and we even have the number of years each of them lived on earth.... And kindly note that saying 2 generations doesn't equate the total no of years the person lived ....3 generations could comprise of a grandfather, father and grandson... Which may not even be up to 100 years... Now we have about 63 generations... It's a simple maths my friend.....

From the first homo sapien created on the 4th day to our present age is not up to 10,000 years.... It is a simple maths, so the calculation.....I have only be playing to your calculations to over estimate as much as u could yet the possibility is zero. Even considering your galactic factors to excuse as much time as u could imagined.

If my calculation is wrong, then do yours and state it concisely, remember I ask for your sincerity..... Is your biblical claim of the age of humanity as true as you claim.


And I never said human variations occurred in thousand years, we aren't even sure how long humans have been on earth but definitely not less than 200k years as against your Bible claim of less than 10k years, we aren't even sure of the origin as against the tale of Adam and eve but we forbid to just believe what is obviously a story that is self contradictory, unrealistic and illogical because it was written in a book called holy .


About 10k years ago, the Bible could say there was only one race on earth... The race of Adam and eve.
But undeniable evidences have it that over hundreds of thousand years ago, there were more species and human races as we have today

There were more races and species over the years and many have gone to extinction as the law of selective survival.
Wars, natural disasters, environmental changes and the law of selective survival have left us as the surviving races and species left on earth and even the animals and plants.... Such is nature.
Even currently, we know that no new races have been formed but we know of tribes and cultures and animals that are on the threat of extinction. This u cannot deny or else you pretend to

GerogeI:
60 generations of men with vastly different lifespans from 1000 years to 100 years. Noah alone lived for 950 years, almost a millennium, figure that. 10 successive generations of Noah would have approached 10k years if you want to be literal. I suggest you stop reading bible years in literal terms.

As for time for differentiation, I hope you know scientifically homo sapiens are barely 300,000 years old. With some of our closest so called ancestors featuring as near as 40,000 years ago.

The closest thing science has identified as close to Noah's flood is the Ice age. The last one ended only 11,700 years ago. Biological variation does not take millions of years, you yourself is a living proof of it. It takes place over thousands of years.

Let's over estimate and give each generation a 1000 year each, then that amounts to 60 thousand years from Adam till our present generation.
That's still not enough.... 60k years is still far from being enough.
I'm glad you made mention of some scientific facts like homo sapiens dating far more than 200k years
Also you made mention of ice age, the first ice age dates back as far as billions of years ago... This ice age carry fossils of ancient animals and plants meaning there have been animals and plants as far back as then here on earth.....
Doesn't this scientific facts further weaken religious claims and creation stories..
Because it is evident that the earth has been for billions of years with animals and plants in it, homo sapiens have been far more than 200k years ago.
But unfortunately, the best we could get from the Bible if we over and over estimate to the limit is still far less than 100k years....

And believe me, for a variation as much as our races, it will take millions of years for such to happen... Races cannot form over thousand of years....we are talking of billions of people not just a few hundreds or tens, billions of people in different races, meaning that races were never newly formed over thousand of years ago, or how possible did all the races in the world were rapidly formed just after the flood, and after then, since men started taking records over thousand of years ago, no new race has been formed... Isn't that an unquestionable flaw in the argument....that's where you theory of genetically optimisation failed in this context, genetic optimisation does not rapidly create entire new species that will rapidly populate in that same line of variation into billions and here we aren't talking of just one variation but multiple variations, Asians, Caucasians, Negros ,even among blacks, there are still differences, a Nigerian doesn't look like a Kenyan.... There are races and sub-races... Even in Nigeria, a typical Yoruba man does not look like Fulani man... these differences in all ramifications can never be formed in thousand years....


And regarding the decrease in velocity of the earth, scientific research amount the rate to about 2.3 Milliseconds per century.... Meaning, I was right...it will take millions of years for such decrease to even amount to something as significant as a minute , so we can dispense with it

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bixton:
I thought as much that would be your response.

Simple and straight forward.... Prove what you are selling

GerogeI:
Plate tectonics is an ongoing phenomenon that is going on as we speak. I have not implied the drifts alone are responsible for spreading of animals. I only said it is a factor that creates or encourages drastic differentiations as in the case of Mauritius or the case of tropical fossils being found on rock in temperate waters of the British Isles.


Time is a lot in all this conversation. The last Ice age could easily be postulated to be Noah's flood event, and it happened 22,000 years ago, not millions of years ago. Further, in the perspective of special Relativity, our current concepts of time and dating are questionable. For example, the universe is expanding, meaning the orbits are larger. More importantly, the moon has been slowing down the earth. If Einsteins theory on time and velocity is correct, I can suppose that the earths velocity around the sun could not have always been the same. That also means that time experience of people on earth in the past differs from time experience now. So time itself is a variable in all this discussions.

I've replied you with a break down of the time being less than 8k years..

The expansion of the universe resulting in velocity difference, distances, time relativity... Etc, these factors don't make significant impacts in millons of years...so it's safe to say those are negligible factors considering events that happen even in the last 20 thousand years... We can dispense with them.

bixton:
Wonderfully......
If you can tell us the history of ur lineage 20 generations down, their foremost origins, how they migrated and where their settlements were till this present time, I'll provide worthy answers to your questions.

Excuse me, so if I cant tell you, then that makes your version right.....? You don't know your dad and I present to you a Japanese man as your dad, you just accept because u don't know who your dad is.....

You don't have to gainsay my argument, stop the red herring and scrutinize the stories that have been blindly sold to you

Adakintroy:
That is our account and I believe it.

Unlike the your people acount and I came from a tadpole.

Science is trying it's best to explain our origin, those are the real MVP's...people searching for our answers using available evidences and clues, science does not boast to have gotten it right...
It's a wrong idea to stick to what you have been thought to believe without questioning or digging for further truth. That science hasn't gotten the full facts about our origin doesn't make religion the correct version.... So far, science is still the best means to answers of our origin and still work in progress.

At first, we knew only of our flat world. Over the years with the help of science, we can now say our world is spherical, we talk of other planets, talk of other solar systems ,galaxies and the universe... We have been able to predict ages of rocks, able to dig underground... Able to prove that human life has been in existence over 200,000 years ago, we have been able to study of genes, medical sciences have improved, while a part of science is tracing our origin, another part is moving us forward to the future to solve our immediate problems and create a more advanced future using same pracrical approach.

No one said you originated from tadpoles, but we now know how a sperm and egg looks like, we can now write the empirical formula of compounds and create new compounds, we can now blend materials to produce new materials of better quality...

Adakintroy:
That is our account and I believe it.

Unlike the your people acount and I came from a tadpole.

Science is trying it's best to explain our origin, those are the real MVP's...people searching for our answers using available evidences and clues, science does not boast to have gotten it right...
It's a wrong idea to stick to what you have been thought to believe without questioning or digging for further truth. That science hasn't gotten the full facts about our origin doesn't make religion the correct version.... So far, science is still the best means to answers of our origin and still work in progress.

At first, we knew only of our flat world. Over the years with the help of science, we can now say our world is spherical, we talk of other planets, talk of other solar systems ,galaxies and the universe... We have been able to predict ages of rocks, able to dig underground... Able to prove that human life has been in existence over 200,000 years ago, we have been able to study of genes, medical sciences have improved, while a part of science is tracing our origin, another part is moving us forward to the future to solve our immediate problems and create a more advanced future using same pracrical approach.

No one said you originated from tadpoles, but we now know how a sperm and egg looks like, we can now write the empirical formula of compounds and create new compounds, we can now blend materials to produce new nate

GerogeI:
The whole premise of the arguments here to disprove Noah, has been to show how impossible it is. My simple approach is to show you the skimmers of possibility, not that am telling exactly how it happens cause I was not there.

My point is the flood killed land animals, not water animals. Water dwelling animals would increase in population if a flood took over all land. As water recede, they will be trapped in puddles an land and a source of food for land animals.

Well the idiot I was replying had implied that salt water does not mix with fresh water, so no possibility of such puddles. That's kindergartens' science. I explained that it does, and will result in salt water of lower salinity where some marine animals can survive.

Salt water mixing with fresh water will happen when the entire world becomes flooded, that will weaken your argument as to the fact that aquatic animals can't survive under same habitat..... Also density and water pressure will change with increase in volume and variation of salinity and temperature.
meaning, many aquatic animals will die and probably go into extinction


I like the way you present your theories though, I wish many religious folks can come up like this.

GerogeI:
The concept of years as you know it and refer to it was set around the 14th century AD. The Gregorian Calendar. I do not see how you read a book that spans thousand of years, starting with oral tradition and you expect the terms and lexicon to be exactly what you use today. Am not sure what perfection means to you, the story is true. As for the language used in telling the story, you must treat it in archeological context.

As for what animals ate, or movement if animals. I have addressed those in earlier posts. Have you factored continental drifts into your equations. The island of Mauritius has such strange species, yet so close to the east coast of Africa.

Records of fossils of various animals in translocation abound. What is missing is the proper timing if these events. Question is was the lion then exactly like the lion today that eats zebras?

Let me help with this issue of timing once and for all, once we get it right, we can continue.

The Bible gave the genealogy of Jesus Christ from the first man to Jesus... From Jesus till date is about 2000 years..


Adam to Jesus was about 60 generations which amounts to about 6000 years at the MOST. meaning from Adam to us at the most is less than 8 thousand years.

So Noah to our generation definitely less than 8k years


Then u can have you appropriate timing.

You are the same guy who spoke of genetic optimisation, so tell me what amount of genetic optimisation, continental drift, scientific theory, algorithm could have derived all these variations and answer all these doubts. Please answer sincerely

GerogeI:
The concept of years as you know it and refer to it was set around the 14th century AD. The Gregorian Calendar. I do not see how you read a book that spans thousand of years, starting with oral tradition and you expect the terms and lexicon to be exactly what you use today. Am not sure what perfection means to you, the story is true. As for the language used in telling the story, you must treat it in archeological context.

As for what animals ate, or movement if animals. I have addressed those in earlier posts. Have you factored continental drifts into your equations. The island of Mauritius has such strange species, yet so close to the east coast of Africa.

Records of fossils of various animals in translocation abound. What is missing is the proper timing if these events. Question is was the lion then exactly like the lion today that eats zebras?

You guys need to get it right with the timing and years, history books got theirs right, why can't the Bible. The Egyptian Torah got theirs right. It seems u guys are deliberately hiding under time excuses....if you people can get the timing right, then the Bible is of no use then


you are going too far with your theories.

Are u saying continental drift was responsible for the dispersion of anmilas across the world.

We are talking of a flood that kept the whole animals in a single locality, polar bears and kangaroos in same condition and continental drift was responsible for their dispersion??


Talking of continental drift, we are talking of millions of years.

GerogeI:
How dumb. Obviously you are one of those who think they know a lot based on classical science classes.

Continuous genetic Differentiation in one direction will give you a prominent change. For example, if all kids without enough dark pigmentation died early of skin cancer, they will not reproduce, the population becomes inherently dark skinned over time as strong pigmentation becomes a common feature of surviving population. Please go and study Genetic Optimization before coming here to argue blindly.


Please tell me, why does salt water not mix with fresh water? Cause when that happen you only have a less salty water. Meaning marine creatures can survive in it depending on the degree of saltiness. With time you will have gradual filtration of such water pool via the natural water cycles and they will return as being fresh water. Such will take time, some animals will die off, some will survive and evolve. Bottomline, there is plenty meat to be fished off water pools, and even muds pools were you can have mud fish. Specialization in eating only antelope will come after antelope populations have grown. Just like bears who find themselves in polar region will learn to fish.

Hello, go figure the amount if water stored in the clouds, and the amount stored in polar ice caps and you will be amazed. Genesis can help you- He God made a firmament to separate the waters above from the waters below. And the waters below formed the seas. If He releases the waters above, you will have your flood. And all he needs to release it is to lower temperatures. We all already know an Ice age happened for sure.

Thank you. This is my last response to your ignorant self.

At the bolded, I don't seem to understand. That's if you understood what you meant.

GerogeI:
Key to your logic is the interpretation of biblical years. A major area of contention even among biblical scholars. I am of the opinion that biblical years are not to be taken in literal sense, just like the six days of creation were the bible called days when the sun was not yet created, so obviously not earth days.

When being bombarded with series of logical questions, then the Christian apologetics was founded with the idea to find excuses for the ridiculous biblical claims....
This is exactly what you are doing, hiding under excuses in what is obviously a ridiculous claim. Why can't the Bible which is supposedly the perfect book of all time inspired by God himself, the almighty God not get the stories right without the need for complex explanations.

Ok, aside the timinig issue...

After the flood, we had two of every kind of animals left just in one locality.....but we know all animals cannot survive in same environmental conditions...
How did the kangaroo survive under same condition with polar bear?


did the animals start journeying to their different natural habitals all over the world... How did they travel back without no record of their fossils ever found on their way back.? How did they survive?

What did the animals eat? Did the lion eat the zebra?

GerogeI:
Ask your question, let's reason together.

1. Noah is not just a father to Jews. By Definition, Jews are the decendants of Issac, who is plenty plenty years down the line from Noah.

2. Scientific evidence tells us of a certain ice age that wipped off many species. So its not true that nothing has happen on earth that did not have same semblance of the flood to kill off all most all that was on the earth.
3. The civilisation you are pointing at are quite young in the scheme of things. Babylon ruled at the time of the kings of isreal, very much after Noah. Egypt was in power at the time of birth of Joseph, who came even after Issac talkless of Noah. Romans were in Power at the time of Christ, just 2000 years ago. Literarily counting there is at least half a millennium between Noah and Abraham. But if you consider that Noah was said to have lived for almost 1 millennium 950 years, the gap is likely much more as the years may not be counted in literary terms.

I like the maturity in your response..

Now let us scrutinize this together and I will appreciate your sincere response.

Noah's ark happened about 5000 years ago meaning the population of the total humans on earth 5k years ago was just 8 people... Noah's children were 3 plus 3 wives... Meaning these 3 couples alone populated the whole earth we have today..based on the story, The 3 couples produced the Chinese, Indians, Arabs, blacks and all great ancient civilizations emerged from them.
According to the story.

but in reality, with the facts on ground, 5000 years ago, Africa's population alone was less than hundreds of thousands.....even the tribes and cultures trace their histories to tens of thousands , at no point in time did they reduce to 0 population.
Unquestionable facts on ground speaks of Egyptian civilisation with well preserved histories up to 10k years, they did not know anything like Noah.. How is it possible that Chinese dynasty existed during the period of the so called flood.

If the flood truly happened, all these cultures and civilizations won't be in existence at that time... Remember, only 8 humans on earth... But on the contrary, there were cultures, civilisations, wars, disasters, festivals and hundreds of thousands of humans all over the world living their lives.

In addition, simple logic says that 5000 years is far too small for even a population of 1000 people to repopulate earth to what we have today.

In addition, a family of 8 can never produce the different races we have today in not even 100,000 years not even evolution not to talk of mutation ...

jiggaz:
Nawa oo... Atheists have invaded my thread .. Satan be gone!!

We're really at the end of the end.... So many scoffers... The Rapture will happen very soon!!!!

It's not about the atheists.
You guys make a ridiculous claim and you never want it challenged or scrutinized nor questioned...then anybody who dares it is satanic. Is that not an unintelligent and irrational way of reasoning?

Attack the point not the personality, Noah's story fails every test of scrutiny infact, a simple common sense speaks volumes that it did not happen but you want us to just swallow it without questions.

Anything that can't stand test of scrutiny isn't worth believing, the truth is never afraid to be questioned.

Like people with common sense have always asked, how did the animals survive after the flood, how come facts and histories of several civilizations point to a simple fact that at no point were all families on earth wiped out by flood...you see thess evidences with your very eyes yet can't reason.. You hear of Babylon, Egyptian civilisation, Sumeria.

Even you yourself are a living evidence you couldn't have been a descendant of the Jewish family Noah or are you a Jew?

This isn't about going sentimental, all these get behind me Satan isn't answering any question... Simply address the issue like a matured mind and sensible person

Are we still on this Noah's fairy tale

OtemAtum:
Pivadesh
Chapter One
1. The study of nature and natural things bring true knowledge and this is the closest method to understanding the Nature of God Almighty.
2. God Almighty is the summation of consciousnesses, the totality of existence, the addition of all universes.
3. In several attempts made by humans to study God, humans have studied only very negligible fragments of God, which are called the gods.
4. Some have studied Atum and thought of him as the Almighty God when he is not up to one part of a quintillion of God.
5. Others have studied Yahweh and have called him God Almighty when he is not up to one part of a googleplex of God.
6. So did other study Allah, Olorun, Odin, Chaleb, Ra, Moloch, Nzame, Enlil, Enki, Ahura Mazda, Vishnu, Abassi, Ohomorihi, Chukwu, Chimides, Zeus, and thousands of other early beings and have assumed them as God Almighty, yet the summation of the power, strength and extent of them all is not up to one part out of a googleplex of God Almighty.
7. Natural occurrences such as earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, famine, drought, flood, eclipse, thunderstorms, lightning and many others were ascribed to these gods in the times of ignorance.
8. And for fear, they could not study deeply what the nature and origins of those things were.
9. They said that rainfall came down from the windows of the heavens of their gods. They said that the ocean currents and waves occurred by the wind their gods blew into the water.
8. They said that hailstorms, smokes and whirlwinds were the breath of the nostrils of their gods.
9. They formed many superstitions around natural occurences and they appeared true to them.
10. They could not study the Nature of God so that they could know a little about what God is, rather they were immersed in their religions and were greatly limited.
10. When the world began to be connected and humans began to spread and go from one nation to another, discovering humans of other tribes, ethnics and races, they began to discover the gods of one another.
11. Then they began to merge their gods together to keep them alive in their minds. The gods of the lands of the victors became the gods the vanquished had to worship forcefully in the beginning, then zealously as time went by.
12. In that way, different gods went into extinction while other ones were revealed.
13. Throughout time, there were some exceptional beings who wanted to know more about how nature works.
14. They wanted to study everything rather than just believing the superstitions and dogmas they had heard from the mouths of their elders and ancestors.
15. These were the people who reasoned deeply and their deep thoughts profited them, because they became more knowledgable than their contemporaries in those days.
16. They made mistakes and tried again and again. These were the philosophers who used philosophy, from which science arose.
17. They were on every land of the world where humanity existed, but they varied in number.
18. The ignorant ones in different lands killed them under the excuse that they practised witchcraft.
19. These people persisted in studying nature, getting killed and also getting opposed by religious people.
20. However, they continued to study nature more, thereby discovering more about the universe of which the earth belonged.
21. They soon found out that the rain does not fall from any heaven but from the cloud.
22. They discovered that the earth was not flat but round. They also found out that the sun does not revolve around the earth but vice versa.
23. They found out also that many occurrences of the past which were attributed to demons, devils, the gods and other spiritual beings were actually physical occurences of nature and the deeds of microorganisms which no one could see with the naked eyes.
24. Then ignorance began to be swept away from the earth, but the power of beliefs continued to trap the minds of many people because of the fear of eternal fire, fear of the unknowns and inability to let go the lies which they had held on to for years.
25. Now the age which science gained much recognition and became useful the most is the age of Enlightenment, because in this age were many people enlightened.

I love this, this exactly my line of thought....


Just as I said

realmindz:
A psychopath that supposedly created beings just to worship him.

I think those who put their brains into use to discover and innovate great things in this world are better to be called the true sons of God than the noise makers who do nothing but worship...

Now let me say,

Some people have put their brains to use to make the world a better place for us, better means of communication, transportation, health care facilities...etc

The cure for malaria was never found in the church but in the lab, they made the world better not tru prayers and worship but putting their brain to use.

If possible a miracle of the blind seeing, or lame working, or deaf hearing....the only possible place this miracle will happen will be througb scientific research and in the lab not through prayer and never church....



Thank you science, if at all I will dedicate my life to anything, it won't be to worship a God that does not need my worship but to discover the work of that GOD to make the world a better place... I have dedicated my life to realistic and practical approach...


Let me continue, a friend invited me to his church programme with a theme "breaking generational curses" . Then I asked him, what are generational curses? Perhaps, a health problem.. Do you know that sickle cell, epilepsy etc were once seen as demonic possession and generational curses....
Well the cure to these supposed curses did not come from church but miracle of scientific research... Yes, those who went to study have broken these curses not prayers warriors..
My fellow blacks, it's a pity we were born to a people of shallow minds, plz let's start making a difference....

Elvis778:
lol, crazy comment,

anyways, that was their culture then, and we should understand it that way....
My only problem with modern day Christianity and Religion as a whole especially Africans is their taste to modify the bible and other holy books in other to put men into more bondage.
And i tell you, that's our major set back.
Little wonder why the original owners of these religious believes are miles ahead of us in everything,
but us wey carry am for head dey thousands of years behind. And like OP, he still want to go back more, chai

That was the culture then, so barbarism is condoned as long as time range differs... But a supposed God should have made it clear from beginning what it condones and what it does not condone....

paxonel:
tell me more!

Someone just kicked the bucket can be a statement made by anyone and when the person explains that his statement means someone just died, you will now come and say the person is making excuses for his inadequacies of making people like you to perceive that he actually meant someone just kicked the bucket?

Do you hear yourself at all?

See, so long you have the vast majority agreeing that he meant someone just died and you are still wallowing in the thinking that he meant someone just kicked the bucket, you will be left alone.

At that point, who is now the one making excuses?

OK fine, however, I still await your side of story for what I just raised... You haven't address the question


Genesis 5

5:5] Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred thirty years; and he died.


So Adam who was created within the 6 days, lived for 936 years.... Adam till 2019 is not up to 10000 years.

Kindly explain

Okay, people like us as here to help you guys speak what you have chosen to keep a blind eye to in the Bible.


Stop being hypocritical, nothing like the good old days, humans have always been humans and even more barbaric in those times....
No
Let's take good some examples of barbarism and sexual immoralties condoned in the Bible.

1. Sex between Lot and his two daughters
2. Jacob marrying two sisters
3. Yahweh allows you to take women as spoil of wars... If you have seen Games of thrones, it's same way the Dothraki tribe do theirs
4. Rape is condoned, you can marry a girl once u have forced your way into her, then pay her bride price.
5. Samson did harlots., Yahweh was cool with it.
6. Yahweh smote a man for not impregnating his brothers wife
7. Even your Jesus genealogy was a product of incest, harlotry and casual sex or have you forgotten the story of how Judah, 4th son of Jacob mistook his daughter in law Tamar for a prostitute and slept with her

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Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18.

paxonel:
you are already beating about the bush by using words like arrogance and foolishness were they are not warranted.
only primitive Christians believe that. But educated ones have understood this.

https://creation.com/2-peter-38-one-day-is-like-a-thousand-years

Also, see the screenshot below.
you are absolutely correct
this isn't part of it.
this one too, they are not part of the creation idea.
it's a figurative language. It means the woman was created the same species as that of Adam.
that's spiritual interference!
We believe that spirits were capable of performing miracles that seems to be like a fairy tales.. Even today, some people are still gifted with miracles, but not as much as fairy tales anymore.

Why will God allow such miracles?
Because people were still primitive then without knowledge. Act 17:30
that is because it was not actually 10,000 years, it could be more millions of years based on 2 Peter 3:8

10 000 years could be millions of years..... But Adam did not live up to a 1000 year and he was created on the 4th day or so

Where did that come from? The more u try to defend this, the more u see the loopholes.

Is it easier to say that things that sound illogical becomes figurative in the bible? That looks like someone just making up excuses in his head for the inadequacies

paxonel:
no, you don't get what I'm saying.
Let me break it down again.

The book can never be primitive because it contains the validity that people and science were primitive in those days at the same time contains the validity of our endless future.

There has never been a book like that and there will never be any book like that again.

Do you know what it takes for a book to be best selling all over the world for centuries?
That means, there is something in that book that makes just more than a book.
when you make claims attach your facts to it that's all I'm saying.
Well, if they are ambiguous seek clarification or better still, don't seek clarification. But anytime you are willing to be clarified I'm always ready to explain.
put it this way, the book help us to know what the primitive people knew and what they didn't know and help us to understand what is obtainable today. Now, that is advancement of knowledge to us and not us being caved in primitive knowledge.
Ofcourse why do we study history in schools?
Do we now say because history books do not teach us how to use computers therefore we should discard it?

At the bolded is the reason religion in its all arrogance in foolishness has refused to moved forward from archaic beliefs.
Perfection isn't true, nothing is perfect, once perfection is attained, then that's the end of knowledge. And that's the beauty of science.

Now let's go straight to the point and stop beating around the bush..

Let's start with genesis...

Why would you in all your modernity and scientific knowledge still hold on to claims that a supposed Yahweh spent 5 days creating a planet earth alone and then one day to create the rest of the universe...? You know why? the writers wrote from their primitive knowledge of their world, they saw their as the largest and most significant n the universe while those tiny dots in the skies called stars wont need more than just some a day to create... Just put the dots in the sky was their presumption.

The earth was created first before the rest of the galaxies and solar systems, however, earth is far younger in billions of years. How will the writers ever know this... They were so primitive

And yet, plants were created before the sun.

A rib was taken from Adam to make the woman.

We have the tale of a talking walking snake. (the bad guy, tortoise stories will be better)

The timing spoilt the story, Adam and eve till this age is not up to 10,000 years.... But the earth is over 4 billions years,


Address this simple questions pls

budaatum:
"Primitive", it may be, but relevant still, if read through the proper lenses (allegorical, metaphor, psychological, etc). We (some of us), still read very ancient texts and find a lot to learn from them.

Newton's apple, for instance, fell out of his [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies?wprov=sfla1]alchemical studies[/url] from which he also learnt to make gold from dross and went on to run the Royal Mint, and Einstein's Relativity is found in the Corpus Hermeticum by those with the mind to see.

Lol, you must be kidding me.

You seem to be delibrately hiding from the points I threw at you running round the bush. Religion claims perfection when it's stuck in primitive claims and exaggerated myths....and I've gone ahead to list some of these claims and beliefs to you, yet you tactically avoided it.
A book from beginning speaking of creation of earth in 7 days and how plants were created before sunlight.. Till the last page of the book speaking of a future of scrolls, chariots, bows and arrows or Jesus arriving from the sky with his army of horses for a battle.

Now let me ask you, do you as a believer still believe that some day, this event will happen as predicted in the book of revelation, do u see a future war fought with bows and arrows in this modern age of rockets and nuclear bomb. Do u still think of a future of using scrolls when you are reading this comment from your computer device....

If you don't, then that book called bible has seen it's useful days.

paxonel:
what are you talking.
Do you realize that science originated from primitivity?
That homo sapiens used crude implements like woods to till the soil and build bridges but today machines are used to do the same ?
you should be factual when you say things like this.
after modern discovery what next?
Death ofcourse!
Ask Charles Darwin.

But within that book written by people with cave knowledge, there is life.
That's why you see millions going for it irrespective of their knowledge of science, because they have understood that no amount of science can bring one back to life when they die.

The point still stands that the Bible is a primitive book.
You make a claim that people have found life in these primitive books and yet you are quick to accuse me of making a claim without being factual. Nothing could be more ambiguous than your claims

And I ask, why would u stick to primitive knowledge when you are in 21st century? You don't live in caves, you don't use sticks to hunt, why should u bury ur knowledge into primitive believes of cave men.

The same book predicted a future in the book of revelation, a future of scrolls and a battle fought with charitots, arrows and bows.... A future where stars will fall and moon will turn to blood.... And u a 21st century man have not lived long enough to speak of rockets, Ipads, computerized and technological advanced world

Nonsense

And you couldn't upload a clear pix of the said actor

OtemAtum:
Religion is not keeping mind and spirit with God, rather, it's keeping your mind and spirit with some past beings. For example, Christianity will keep your mind and spirit with Yahweh, who died some years back, while Islam will keep your mind and spirit with Allah(Abd Allah) who died some years back too. Science studies nature, which is a part of God Almighty, thereby keeping our minds and spirits with God Almighty (the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE).

Science is open to correction and modification.

Religion will tell u it has attained perfection and every fables written in their books are all perfect.

paxonel:
ehe?
Tell me something.
no, it does not.
Can you prove that?
no, it isn't a flat earth theory.
Flat earth theory was the idea of ancient Roman catholic.
Four corners of the earth was how primitive humans could imagine what the earth looks like without the thought of it being a sphere or flat. It shows that people who documented scriptures at that period were never educated enough to know how the earth looks like.
what do you expect primitive humans to say when they saw the moon glowing at night?
Being primitive not to understand can never be said to be contradiction. It's like you are saying because a growing baby sees aeroplane flying just like birds are flying and therefore calls the aeroplane bird, then the baby is contradicting himself.
The baby does not know anything, he is still growing up and learning.
you did not see this one in the bible, it's not there.
that science teaches that flood cannot occur in nature?
falling stars are figurative language, it means a state of darkness. It does not necessarily mean that stars are falling to the earth

At the bolded , you have said it all and that proves that the Bible is anti science, built on myths and exaggerated stories.

So why should we listen to a book written by people with cave men knowledge? Why should you devote your life to such ancient book when modern discoveries have taken over

diablo24:
that will be difficult cos babies are cute

so u can't play with a baby without kissing them. why?? Must u kiss the baby