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pazienza:
Arochukwu.

just wait.. when I clear my table I'll give u small gist

pazienza:
Just as Arochukwu reeks of Efik and Nsukka reeks of Igala.
Igbo is a diverse group.
But the fundamentals remain the same.
http://www.usafricaonline.com/fjellah2005.html

how can arochukwu reek of efik? oga una dun start again ooo

dned:
And what is south east and south south?

Its political (not even in the constitution)...they are eastern Nigeria. I'm can tell you that an average person in the south west refers to se/ss as 'omo ibo'.

the same way the average Malay sees every Nigerian as an Igbo fraudster

Macelliot:
Educated illiterate...

Hausa enforced their language on the Northerners... Almost every Northerner speaks Hausa...

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And mind you.. SE is more developed than SW apart from Lag...

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There are Igbos in SS... The Nigerian govt. is trying to divide us, but failed woefully...

Macelliot I wish you weren't Igbo, you sound like someone who could be objective if presented with the right facts .

Only NW and some NC speak Hausa. The Hausa never forced their language on their neighbours. The Fulani came and supplanted the Hausa kings using liberation for the slaves and lower class as a tool . Then they sealed it with a common religion. They all retained their languages, even languages that are now lost are due to dying off of the few remaining speakers.

The SE is not far ahead of the SW. Lagos is excluded because it wouldn't be fair. Even the Aba and Onitsha are not so special as you paint them, abi no be those rustic storey buildings for Fegge and upper iweka? Main market is too dirty, ochanja is too dirty, upper iweka is too dirty, Onitsha south is too dirty, even those stores almost under Niger bridge are nothing to write on. The SW has brown roof all over, osun na shrine city abi, ondo has few infrastructure abi, Ogun state has opened up as the new Lagos , illorin is beautiful, ado ekiti is b4àutiful,. so una no too pass each other.

The renewed attempts by Igbos to rewrite history is what is dividing Nigeria

dejavski:
Don't mind the ignoramus...
If indeed there was boundary adjustment then I guess t would have ceded my home community to another state.

@ the bolded, I @ a time heard of a proposed coastal state that will involve the coastline ilajes Ijaws and itsekiris. I don't know what killed the agitation. Do u have an idea of this?

The proposed Ijaw Toru-ebe state was DOA because it contained areas where they were recently migrant to. Areas in edo state were also included in the arrangement when the ijaw settlement was less than a hundred years old

Abagworo:
Akalaka gave birth to Ekpeye and Ogba. Recently some people started adding Ikwerre because of few Akalaka linked migrants to Emohua and concluded that ikuruoda is Iwhuruohna but that is not for me.

Iwhuruoha is simply Ihuoha in Igbo which translates to face of Oha. What is Oha? Oha title is still taken in all of old Owerri district which includes Ohaji, Etche, Ngor, Oratta and Ikwerre. All these people are related.

If you want to trace the backbone of Ikwerre origin then the evolution of Aro merchants, medicine men and oracles is the answer.

I've read the Aro history and I haven't found any link with ikwerre

Macelliot:
Do you know what?

There are more ethnic groups in Adamawa state than the Entire Southern Nigeria...
But still yet, the North maintains her unity...

because they do not use numerical superiority as weapons for balkanization. The ibos are always quick to mention that they are the economic spine of their host towns, and without them the towns would be nothing. Even if this is partially true you don't have to shove it in our faces because we give you the enabling environment to operate

fr3do:
It is a recorded programme Coconut head

sorry

Aikon:
Please, what's the answer?

na navel

IPOB123london:
To the man above me those writing does not take away the fact that billions of oil Money squandered by hausa fulani and yorubas are stack in White Banks in the name política at best.

so would u say Donald Trump is lying that u are only good in shagging and owambe free dancing

For us IPOB he only saying the truth. Ok is it propaganda

I'd explain in very simple terms. Donald trump isn't lying but he attacks Hispanics , Indians and Arabs too. He has a penchant for overstating things. He has been described as the cancer of conservatism. Note that Donald trump said some Africans are only good at sex and theft. Abroad, the most popular Nigerians are Igbo for drug smuggling as is often proven by arrests and executions, the Yoruba for cyber crime and credit card fraud and the Binis for prostitution. So I don't see how trump was referring to Nigerians excluding Ibos. in fact if we take it to a personal level, 90% of Nigerian crimes committed abroad involve Ibos, you can check the records. As for the monies squandered, what has the SE done with their allocations over the years? as they have very bad roads, very very bad roads with little infrastructure. Before Monaco asked for independence they already had infrastructure. If Biafra should attain what they seek today, they'll be a financial and moral burden on Nigeria

Kestolovee95:
Why don't you do the publishing yourself and tell us a phantom story of how soldiers in Biafran camoflage in raped your Bini mom in her prime before the hausas came to your rescue. You think you can still deceive people now? in this age?

I'm not disappointed, I understand.

IPOB123london:
Mr nijiyeria
the latest news have it Donald Trump in America said Africans have no brain in their head, they are only good in shagging, only good in owambe dancing, sorry this is coming from a white man in US not IPOB. So would u say he is racist
Would u also say this propaganda then
Anyway save your none sense we are going to Biafra

I've been following Trump's rallies keenly.. before now, nobody really took him seriously. Within the republican party, trump has a net negative rating of 39, worse than any other candidate and compared with his egotistical and unplanned speeches , the average American doesn't like him either. mind you he doesn't just attack blacks, he attacks Hispanics even more viciously and has repeatedly called for america to scrap birth naturalization which is a policy many foreign women abuse. But he has not advocated violence as the solution neither has he politicised America's problems or said they were due to the freed slaves. Like I said, I no get anything to lose or gain from unity or secession, but it is good to pursue major projects like this with clean hands because karma has a way of hitting back

so my thread entered FP.. first time since 2008

new2020:
Be careful calling Igweocha PH if you ever make it there, even Ikwerre will beat that yoruba divisive demon out of you.

Oh it's PH they are calling igweocha! funny guys.. I didn't even know, I blame the government for not publishing war accounts that's why the youths in PH don't know history and their peculiar circumstances

ELTON123:
biafra all the waaay dem de repeat last night news

it ain't news , it's a caller participatory discussion program. people were calling in, and they discussed many issues ranging from Lai Mohammed, the invincibility of Biafra and nnamdi kanu 's arrest. they also encouraged biafrans to dishonour the zoo, hoist flags in their windows and doors

john124:
are you just waking up from sleep? It's a repeat broadcast from 31st october 2015 ;(

oh.. apologies.. I never knew it was a repeat broadcast. when does the live one start?/ why should a propaganda channel even be repeating programmes? And the modern Biafra encompasses the OPA in the south according to KANU, but in the last four hours I've been listening to your radio I've only heard Ibo music and not even one Ibibio or ijaw or ika music, abi these people no sabi sing?

Finally, with the intense name calling and abuse dished out to the zoo this afternoon, I'm imagining the effect if we had an Islamic radio kano broadcasting the same themes to northerners! Then the biafrans would have cried genocide and pogrom and ethnic cleansing. As a Bini man I have nothing to gain or lose from Biafra or Nigeria, I only feel you guys could go about your cause like civilized people.

ELTON123:
Op na yoruba am not surprised

WIZGUY69:
Source : www.igberetvnews.com.

ELTON123:
Op na yoruba am not surprised

I. be Bini man oooo... I'm going to abakaliki now.. listening to the beloved radio biafra

The programme anchor just claimed that the time is 10pm now in Biafra land. He also refuted the rumours that radio Biafra has been shut down. Since when did Biafra get their own timezone?

And what state is igweocha in?

the other birds that flewed!!! WOW!
Biafrans are comic

You dey crase ni? You want the biafran agitators to poison us abi the fellas at Islamíc section to...

this is an anonymous forum , organise a party at thy peril

Enahi e dun do.. The biafrans would never leave Nigeria.. Soon they would realise that their properties all over Nigeria are more valuable than the oil in the Niger delta. How much is a barrel of Brent crude this afternoon?? Only rascals and motor park touts agitate for Biafra!

if they break away, the Nigerian government would simply pass a law prohibiting foreigners from owning assets and the wailing would resume, then the ethnic minorities would appeal to the UN for a referendum to free them from the new masters

johnmark1234:
All my BROTHERS and SISTERS WE answer d seme NAME

you niggas dumb as Bleep... you don't even know the people you're trying to colonise

soulpeppersoup:
Have you ever heard of Arochukwu local government? Two towns I know there have boundary with the Mediterranean sea. So I don't know why uninformed people go online to talk what they don't know.

Many of them think Igbo end with with a few town they know. I don't blame them, I blame the government that has neglected to develop some of these places.

We are talking about the cement factory dangote is going for at isu, but many don't know it is because of the sea route that is attracting him not the lime deposits.

you mean Igbo land has boundary with Mediterranean sea/? wow! chukwu abiama has really blessed us

Obiagu1:
Well the door is not shut on Edo people, even Kanu gave conditions mainly concerning the powers of the Oba of Benin.

Biafra don't want overwhelming influence of monarchs.

please what did Kanu say as regards the benin monarch? im interested

macof:
Well, imagine a fellow believes he has been living a pathetic life for some time, he picks up something and decides to make it more interesting by claiming unimaginable connections to his discovery just to gain publicity and raise his pride as a human being
That's what happens with people claiming Walls of Bini, Eredo are the largest man made structure, built by Yemeni queen etc

Yes it's the one in the picture

that's not Benin moats BTW

The Guinness Book of World Records describes the
walls of Benin City as the world’s second largest
man-made structure after China’s Great Wall, in
terms of length, and the series of earthen ramparts
as the most extensive earthwork in the world.
The Guinness Book of Records carried an entry in
the 1974 edition that described the city as: “The
largest earthworks in the world carried out prior to
the mechanical era.”

macof:
Its not oral traditions it's recent "discoverers"
You know when people need something to make them feel some relevance they just make up senseless stuff

could you shed more light on this? I'm lost

and is that a picture of the moat in your earlier post?

macof:
truth is we all know that the Walls of China is the longest and the Pyramid of Khufu is the Tallest man made structure


But wait o. Eredo is 200km. Some claim Iya was 16,000 km (although much of it has been vandalised) others say 6,500km
It's funny how people label everything "largest man made structure" just for publicity

Someone even said it's four times longer than the walls of China that is over 21,000km

oral tradition must always dey exagerrated.. me I prefer to believe the 4576 miles version

atbu1983:
Rubbish. So since my Moniker is ATBU, then i graduated from ATBU. See how shallow you are.
I am a graduate of the great University of Benin.

uniben?? your head dey therre...according to these goons anybody who doesnt support biafra is a fulani slave!! so the day ojukwu ran for president of the zoo, he became a fulani slave eunuch

I just read a controversial topic earlier claiming that eredo in yoruba land is the largest earthwork in the world . This is totally false . I do not intend to spark a tribal war but to just correct these erroneous assertions made today. Even the picture put up on that thread is that of the igodomigodo moats

Edo, the people of Igodomigodo famously known for almost a millennium as Benin, had built a moat complex to protect themselves in the wars they fought. Oral history still credits the military strategy to Oba Oguola (about 1280 AD)
The Benin moat, also known traditionally as Iya,is the largest man-made earthworks in the world. It is larger than Sungbo's Eredo.[1] It enclosed 6,500 km² of community lands. Its length was over 16,000 km of earth boundaries. It was estimated that earliest construction began in the 13th century and continued into the mid-15th century. It predates the use of modern earth-moving equipment or technology in these parts. The moat encircles the old perimeter precincts of the City and was constructed as a defensive barrier in times of war. {5th} Oba Oguola {about 1280-1295} dug the first and second moats to fortify the City from invaders, including the Imperial European invaders, who at the time were hunting for African slaves labourers, Oba Oguola further decreed that important towns and Villages should build similar moats as defence systems around their communities.This gave rise to twenty of such moats around Benin and its environs. An extension of the moat was constructed in the 15th century during the reign of {12th} Oba Ewuare the Great (1440-1473 CE). The Benin moat is over 16,000 km kilometers long. The Walls of Benin City was the world's largest man-made earth structure.[2] Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist:

"They extend for some 16,000 kilometres in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 6,500 square kilometres and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet.[3]

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Defensive Fortification of Ancient Benin City: The Benin Moat

Edo, the people of Igodomigodo famously known for almost a millennium as Benin, had built a moat complex to protect themselves in the wars they fought. The defensive fortification of Benin City, the capital,
consisted of ramparts and moats, call iya, enclosing a 4000 square kilometer (2485.5 miles) of community lands. In total, the Benin wall system encompasses over 16,000 kilometers (9941.7 miles) of earth boundaries. Patrick Darling, an archaeologist, estimates that the complex was built between 800 and
1000 up to the late fifteenth century (Keys 1994: 16). Advantageously situated, the moats were dug in such a manner that earthen banks provided outer walls that complemented deep ditches. According to Graham Connah, the ditch formed an integral part of the intended barrier but was also a quarry for the material to construct the wall or bank (Keys 1994: 594). The ramparts range in size from shallow traces to the immense 20-meter-high (66 feet) around Benin City (Wesler 1998: 144). The Guinness Book of World Records describes the walls of Benin City as the world's second largest man-made structure after China's Great Wall, in terms of length, and the series of earthen ramparts as the most extensive earthwork in the world.

During the second half of the 15th century, Oba Ewuare the Great (ruled 1440-1473 AD) ordered a moat to be dug in the heart of the city. The earthworks served as a bastion and also afforded control of access to
the capital which had nine gates that were shut at night. Travel notes of European visitors also described the Benin walls (e.g. Pacheco Pereira 1956: 130-147; Dapper 1668). It was finalized around 1460, at that time being the world's largest earthwork. (See historical photos of Benin City).

Early European visitors never failed to be impressed with the Benin City's grandeur and level of organization. Benin as it appears in documents of the seventeenth century the natural reflection of centralized
wealth was its magnificent capital city Benin. Reports from the anonymous. Dutchman D.R. (c. 1600) and David van Nyendael (some fifty years later) described Benin City as an extraordinarily extensive and flourishing city which easily matched the European metropolis of it time (Hodgkin 1960: 119-120;
Ben-Amos 1995: 42ff). The Portuguese compared it with Lisbon, the Dutch with Amsterdam or Antwerp, the Italians with Florence, and the Spaniards with Madrid (Kea 1971: 187). Its size was matched by dense habitation; houses built close to each other along long, straight streets. The royal palace, a city within the
city, was also impressive, with countless squares and patios and innumerable
doors and passageways, all richly decorated with the art that has made Benin
famous. The city was orderly, well laid out, and sparkling clean so that the
walls of the houses appeared polished (Dapper 1693: 122). The people clothes;
some are dressed in white, others in yellow, others in blue or green; and the
city captains are regular judges who resolve lawsuits, debates and
conflicts.

The role of the Imperialist
Britain and its machinations loomed large. Philips and his treacherous British party of traders had forcibly visited the king in his palace during the Ugi’erh’Oba Festival and the war the British called Benin Expedition had taken place in 1897. In September of that year, Oba Ovonramwen had been taken into exile. After his exit, Britain forced its government on Benin, ruling from the grounds of the palace of the Oba it had sent on exile.

The British ruled the roost in most of the vast Indian sub-continent at that time. It also wanted to rule the waves and there under its thumb was Benin in decline. What could it lose helping the fall of perhaps the only empire it had heard about and had feared in these parts? Just a shove and the people might hit the red dust! So, why wouldn’t it try?

The British split Oba Ovonramwen’s palace grounds and extended old roads through parts of them. On one part it built the Police Station and Barracks, the General Hospital, the Public Works Department and to the north of it, a complex of administrative buildings. On a second part, further south-west, it built the Prisons and a cluster of buildings it called Clerks Quarters to accommodate non-European staff.

Its remorseless war against Benin and her Empire did not end there. It had begun when it declared Lagos (Eko) a protectorate, decades earlier. Not a whimper came from the people of Igodomigodo. Oba Ovonramwen died in exile in 1914. For the first time, a monarch of Igodomigodo slept away from the land of his birth yet, Benin snored. What new bile the British had acquired! By the same year, it had declared Nigeria a colony of the British Crown. About 1915, it took the long seashore which had exposed the land of metropolitan Benin to the World and handed it to Warri for “administrative convenience”. And Benin snored still. About 1916, the British forcibly leased Igodomigodo’s land from Ologbo to the Ethiope River to their kin of today’s Delta State for a pittance of fifty-two pounds a year. And Benin have not even stirred to ask for their rent in sixty years!

not as extensive as the Benin moats.. consult wikipedia