₦airaland Forum

cr7lomo:
Look at topic posted " abia woman" and not woman.... Nairaland promotes tribalism but act like they don't.... Typical pretenders like what they are known for

pazienza:
You clearly have comprehension issues.

Oza people speak an Edoid language called Ozara. Oza is an Edoid language, because the people are Edo in origin, Ika is Igboid because the people were Igbo speaking from the very beginning.

Oza people are not originally Ika, they. migrated from Edo to Agbor and were welcomed into Agbor by an Obi of Agbor in the ancient time.

The above history is a known fact.

If you don't know of the Ada staff given to Ika kings in the past by the Oba of Bini then you are not probably in position to debate on these issues.

fratermathy:
You keep saying that Urhobo and Isoko are Edoid and are distinct. Therefore it is safe to say that since they are both Edoid and are linguistically and culturally the same, then their progenitor must have had the same common cultural and linguistic markers? If so, then why do;
1. Isokos and Urhobos call God "Oghene" and Edos dont?
2. Isokos and Urhobos eat "Ukhodo" as native meals and Edos dont?
3. Isokos and Urhobos share names of people, animals, things and places that Edos do not?
4. Isokos and Urhobos share titles of Kings, monarchical lexical items and royal cosmology that Edos dont?
5. Isokos and Urhobos have the same fashion style that Edos dont?

There are more but I have made my point! Urhobos and Isokos are Edoid no doubt! However, they could never have existed as distinct peoples when their Edo progenitor, which ought to be the protoid culture and language, lacks what they both share together. It implies that either Isokos were originally Urhobos who migrated at different times or that Isokos were a different people, most likely Igbos, who learnt Urhobo due to contact and created a unique version of it. In both versions, whether truistically or not, Urhobo remains the protoid culture and language! I am not Urhobo because I speak Urhobo! I am Urhobo because I speak AGBON which is a member of the Urhobo linguistic and cultural cluster. That has and will always remain my argument and premise.
As of this moment, I cant fathom the bearing of your argument because you seem to be strictly on the defensive without any directional premise upon which your argument is anchored and do not tell me your argument is that Isokos are different from Urhobos because that ship has already sailed ages ago when Isoko started speaking, dressing, eating, dancing, and living like Urhobos!

Find your intellectual compass and point it NORTH!

pazienza:
Oza nogogo speaks an Edoid language called "ozara" , though it's dying now.

But the presence of ozara, a dying language, re affirms my point. The fact that Oza people are Edo people who migrated to an already Igbo speaking Agbor in the ancient times, is a well known fact, and they have Ozara language to prove it.

Sorry bro, you only helped my case with your Oza example.

Ika has always been Igbo speaking right from antiquity, Edo influences only introduced some Edo words and names into their vocabulary, just as Efik/ Ibibio influences introduced Efik / Ibibio names into AroChukwu vocabulary and names, but Ika like Arochukwu remain strictly Igbo, so much that any Igbo with understanding of Igbo Izugbe would have no problem holding a conversation with an Ika speaker at a first meeting. But no Bini or Edo man could ever understand Ika language.

It is a known fact that Bini at many to times in history introduced the "Ada" system in Ika area, where an Ika king can only rule if recognized by Bini, an Ika prince would be sent to Edo courts to learn the ways of the Edo, and returns at the appropriate time to take the throne in Ikaland as a Bini acculturated Ika king, who most of the time take the name of any dead famous Edo Oba, as his new name, in efforts to curry favour from Bini overlords, the New king was also fluent in Bini language, and carry out most of his court proceedings in Bini language, Bini language became an Elite language in most Ika royal courts, but the commoners spoke Ika.
The truth that Bini in the past forced her cultural imprints on Igboid speaking people of Anioma( Ika inclusive) is both a historical fact and a modern reality witnessed in Igbanke, where the Bini introduced Edoid titles like "Enogie" to replace original Igboid title that is "Eze", "Obi", etc, and where the Bini had been subtly encouraging the people to take on Edoid names, as those who do are subtly rewarded while those who doesn't are subtly frustrated.

Ogbuefi, a proud Igbo man of Ika origin once explained all these on this forum, I will look for those his posts.

But know this, no acculturation took place in Ika, the people were Igbo speaking from the very beginning.

ezeagu:
And who are the ones that insist they are Igbo? This is just nonsense, Ika, Ukwuani and other Igbo groups in Delta State and so on are called Ovigbo, whether they 'insist' or not.

ezeagu:
Ego is not Portuguese, It's Igbo. It originally means cowry.

ezeagu:
Yet Bini yesterday, today and tomorrow continue to call you 'ovigbo'. LOL.

pazienza:
No acculturation took place in Ukwuani, Ika or Ikwerre.

It is unprecedented in the history of humans, for a people to completely discard their language for the language of their neighbors without the use of force.

There was no Igbo empire to have forced Igbo language on those groups, and even in cases of acculturation, there are usually evidences of dead language, but there are no such things for those groups.

Ndiigbo also traded and had interactions with smaller groups like Ogoni, Idoma, Ekoi, Annang and Igala( Ibaji) , and non Of those groups are Igbo speaking today, few of them that speak Igbo at all, do so as a second language.

On the contrary, Bini was an imperialistic power, it is only logical that the Bini connections these groups speak of has everything to do with Bini imperialism rather than real ancestral relationship.

Goodboiy:
Omona = This child
Emoor = Children
Omo = Child

IGBOPRINCE:
thanx for the enlightenment..I ve not being to their remote villages in edo state, I only stays at lagos street back then in benin city though.

In regards to ikwerres, ogba, ikas, this re one big tribes still being confused about their heritage and the adoption of igbos languages. Some will tell you categorically they re igbos while some will tell you they re benin. But where the problems lies is because of their languages which re more similar to that of ndigbos.
Though I am not denying the influence of benin empire by then but the evidence which I relied on is that, ndigbos was there and still there before the coming of benin people and that s why the language of ndigbo still has more advantage that dealt with any incoming languages from benin interactions except the ikas and ukwuani which have some forms of igbos and benin languages in their dialects.

Anyway let me check your profile now to get your thread and read.


Knowledge is power.

bokohalal:
The things we see here are sometimes unimaginable. As a Bini, I can understand the feeling of importance by some people to put us down and deny anything to us.
To the uninitiated, the only difference I know between Esan and Bini is the IGBABONELIMHIN masquerade!

IGBOPRINCE:
it s a good thing you finally corrects my impression towards edo people. The last time I travelled to benin city, the guy from auchi and the other one from oredo or esan cannot understands themselves. So they both prefare to use pilgin language as a means of communication. they told me that most of edo peeps from the same local gvt or communality or bit far away from each other can't understand/communicates with themselves cos the languages re different from each other. They even told me that the people from oredo local govt speaks esan cos of their proximity to benin city.

Sorry if I misrepresent the facts here but humans lived by impressions most a times.

At bolded, part of anioma(few ikas and few ukwuani) that claimed their descent to benin but they did a great mistakes by abandoning their languages and adopting the igbo languages. Even as big as ikwerres/ogba is. They even abandoned their languages and adopted igbo speaking dialects. It still baffled me and majority of igbo peeps. Sometime I do tell them, that there was a time few binis came to igbo lands but they inter married and had influenced on them like the ikas,ukwuani,ogba and ikwerres. The facts is that igbos already settled there before the coming of binin peeps.

My take..

Radoillo:
I doubt that Ovie is related to the Igbo word Obi. If there's an Igbo word related to Ovie, it is Eze. This will surprise most people because Eze and Ovie don't look anything alike. But I believe they are cognate.

IGBOPRINCE:
pls which of the edo languages the urhobo re similar with? Cos the last time I travelled to edo state. I was marvelled at the existence of many languages in edo state.
The auchi,the esan, the okada, the oredos, the akoko edos and the binis. Pls I respects your comments but I need to know the particular language that s similar to that of urhobo at bolded.

amInigerian:
One reason the south-south will never support them is the genuine disrespect the south-south has for them for feeling it was okay to assume their (the south-south's) sons and daughters should go to war for them with completely zero consultation(in the first war), and their seeming incapacity to ever notice such a grievous error.
You will recall that most kingdoms of the south-south have similar cultures, with kings and their equivalent of upper and lower senate houses and chiefs, comprising their political structures, which existed for centuries. Structures the white man came to meet, making it easy for him to do do business through them.
The Okrikas and Bonny people (as an example) fought so many wars in the past which they both won and lost on their own ends. It was so bad that they had to come to an agreement and signed a treaty never to go to war again. Such ancient documents still exist in our palaces.
So you see that we will do things with consultation and with reason.
Coming out of such a background, the typical south-southerner sees the Igbo man as a ship without a rudder. And indeed, the complete diplomatic mess they made of the 1966 biafran struggle only seemed a confirmer of this opinion.
Fast forward to today and we find the very sad situation where younger Igbos (who are less read, less refined and less exposed than their 1966 counterparts) where their predecessors did not understand the place of diplomacy in the pursuit of a political goal seem to be 10X more bereft of it.
And this core bereftness does not seem to be something that can be cured. It seems to be something that comes right from the inside of their bones (maybe their social DNAs).
There is a means to the actualisation of the Biafra agenda (if the agitators have the sophistication enough, which it seems they are not).
Unfortunately, I have come to accept the fact that they may only learn from the hurt that comes from the results of their poor actions which will make them perpetually close to 75 years behind the rest of Nigeria - Socially and Politically speaking.
Economically, of course, is a topic for another discussion.
I am south-south

dejavski:
Oh I didn't know there was another proposed state...what about the coastal state I talked about? I don't know why that proposal didn't materialise.
Do you have any idea of that?

pazienza:
Pazienza on the contrary is far from being an intellectual, he is just a regular Biafran youth on the streets of Enugu, hustling to make a living, just like other millions of Biafran youths.

Biafra is a movement of the commoners, and not really the intellectuals, perhaps with time, our intellectuals Will join the train.

Furthermore, the Biafran current movement is not perfect, there are so much rooms for improvement, the road to freedom is a long and tortuous one, and I believe we would get it right at the end. The most important thing to me is that the movement is on and the passion and desire is there.

Any Igbo man that feels that the movement as it is currently configured is inefficient should join the group and bring his wonderful ideas on the table, lets hear them out, or better still build a better movement from scratch that will mirror him and his ideas, Biafra need as many hands as it can get, Nnamdi built IPOB from the scratch using his limited resources and using his persuasive power to get other Biafrans to believe in and sponsor his movement.

But please, don't sit at the comfort of your home and castigate the efforts of your people who put themselves on the line of fire.

Do something for Biafra today, you don't like the way the movement is currently being handled? Then make enquiries, attend a local IPOB meetings nearest to you, know the workings of the group better and be the bringer of the change you desire.

Stop complaining about problems, be a part of the solution.

God bless Biafra.

Onyiido:
Lies of the season

amaechionuh:
Just watch and see

FREEDOM4BIAFRA:
We don't claim Lagos to be no man's land. Give me a link where an respected BIAFRAN said so...
Lots of Igbo threads on NL are created by yorubas to stir up the hate, you should know.

FREEDOM4BIAFRA:
Are yorubas not roaming the UK?

FREEDOM4BIAFRA:
Hate messages? We want Biafra, but you lots turned it to a tribal affair because you just cannot side with Igbos, right or wrong!