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mubarakopeyemi:
Stop perambulating.
Your God:
-actually hates Esau. Thanks I thought you said he is loving. Where the hate he has for esau builds from, I don't know. First Bullet on your foot.



Apply this same logic when talkin about Allah. Allah is Gafuur (the forgiving) Raheem (The merciful)
From your explanations above, it is very clear that you're an hypocrite.
This same logic u used in defending Yahweh, use it in the other instance stop being an hypocrite.
Remember when I quoted. Quran 1:1.-- In the name of Allah the Gracious, the Merciful. You said How can i believe Allah is gracious to infidels with his statements as I have cited earlier? that i need a lot of explaining to convince right-thinking persons.

Quran 40:1-3
1. Ha-Mim.
2. The revelation of the Book (this Qur'an) is from Allah the All-Mighty, the All-Knower.
3. The Forgiver of sin, the Acceptor of repentance, the Severe in punishment, the Bestower (of favours), La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), to Him is the final return.

Allah will forgive disbelievers if the repent and desist from evil. Allah's legacy and evil people or disbelievers or wrongdoers are not the same. evil and good aint the same. Good definitely will not like evil.

You haven't seen that part of the bible before if you have you wouldn't have said Yahweh is all loving. He hates evil people and wicked people.
Your God:
-is not pleased with wickedness; evil people are not welcome. Second Bullet on your foot.



Refer to what I said above. Third bullet on your foot.



I love this part because
1- you proved that something said in the bible was not directly said by God Thanks for acknowledging that that bible as a whole can never be the word of God. Historians Prophets and Individuals have their episodes in it too. You even made it clear that he was just a king and not a prophet . Cool the words of a king who is not a prophet in the supposed book of God It is allowed.

2- You actually accepted that Yahweh hates the bloodthirsty and the deceitful and that all liars shall be destroyed in the lake of fire another Bazooka to your foot

Yahweh love Yahweh love. Shiior


Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot several times. Na oversabi dey cos am

Your God:
-actually hates Esau
-is not pleased with wickedness; evil people are not welcome
-The arrogant cannot stand in his presence. He hates all who do wrong;
-He destroy those who tell lies. The bloodthirsty and deceitful you, Lord, detest.
-will destroyed all liers in the lake of fire.

Before u accuse and speak ill of others look at your feet and see whether or not it is neat.

You brought up verses in the Quran showing Allah (swt) does not love those who disbelieve in Allah, those who are unjust, etc... We both agree on this point as the verses explicitly states. Allah (swt) extends his love to everyone, and only those who cast aside Gods love are those who God does not love. So rather, God loves everyone, except those who decide to dismiss or reject his love. Satan would be the perfect example. God extended his love for satan when he was in heaven with the angels, but when Satan challenged and disobeyed God did God not love Satan. Another quick point I had to make is that even the bible shows that God did not love everyone. Romans 9:13, Psalms 5, etc... are good examples which I had shown to u.


PLEASE ANY OTHER ARGUEMENT?? U Shot yourself already.
Thnks

Wow! What a grandiloquence smackdown. Truthman's back must have been broken by this reply. Nice one bro.

Ajibam:
..

Ajibam the biased former moderator... Wassap?

@Anas09, this dude was once a moderator on this section, he was sacked after turning out to be a christian terrorist

malvisguy212:
the bible never mention Isaac as a prophet ,

Okay. I agree with you. Please help me read your bible and list 20prophets mentioned in it.

google is not a scripture,

Okay. I agree with you. Can you please use that scripture to cite atleast 20 prophets in it?

if I paste articles from google which exposed the dark side of muhammed, will you believe it ?

This is totally offpoint. I see no reason why you should be shying away from my simple question. If can't answer it, simply say, I DON'T KNOW. is it hard??

dammit!

mubarakopeyemi:
why do u resort to lying when u realized that you lost the arguement are u frustrated?
why the lies. it pains to feel you're d best and got beaten sorry daddy.

all these that u wrote above about Muhammad and Allah is false

let me tell u smtn u dont know.

I see you are frustrated already. Rilwo.n abeg help me ooo. Before they kill me coz I dont accept the Yahweh of Israel as God oo.

Abegg o, no allow that man die of hypertension o. You know he has HBP,

truthman2012:
Trash!!!

Everything is trash..when actually you never for once attempt to debuke them. Olodo rabata.

I don't mind, keep abusing me, it only shows how you were brought up. What is abuse compared to what islamic terrorists do worldwide? Don't stop it as am already used to it.

More like you are shouting here Don't worry sir, I won't throw you banter any longer; thats if you make use of your brain for what it is meant for.

There is no mate on the internet, especially a faceless forum such as this. Who knows maybe you are one moronic teenager disgusing as an old stiffnecked reprobate. We are all agemate on nairaland, okay? If I call you fool whenever you behave foolish, of course its not an insult. Atleast you've said worse to me.

…all it a book, scripture or revelation, it doesn't make any difference. The fact that Ishmael lived before the quran shows whatever allahh gave him could not be the quran. He must have given him before the quran and we cannot find it, period.

I don't know what else you want again. after providing a lot of explanation to that verse, you still repeating this nonsense?

Well, any sane person reading this will see that you are not honest to yourself.

I am begining to get tired of your false defensive system.

Because you've lost the argument and you are not rready to admit that fact.

In your past false defences on various threads you said Christians mentioned in the quran were muslims. In another defence you said Muhammad fought the pagans because they broke treaty. Later you changed it again that it was not pagan but Romans. You believe you can defend islam telling all sorts of lies.

Maybe you misunderstood me. You are known to be a patient of attention deficit disoder, so, that you don't comprehend explanation easily is not a new thing to me.

I want to reluctantly tell you to let me have your post you are shouting I have not responded to. I have once asked for it, yet you kept shouting.

You are told to open a thread and preach christianity to rilwayne001 and demmzy15, is that too hard?

Abi demmzy, you no want make this old man preach for you?

Prophet Iddo? I have responded to that on this thread, I don't have to repeat myself.

You havent responded to it. Where is the book, is it part of OT or NT?

dolphinheart:
1. Well let me answer for some people, the God that gave those command is allah. .

So you now believe Allah is God of the bible or what?

truthman2012:
Your lies are great, even thought they do not hold water. You said the Scripture of Ishmael is his story told by the quran. What is a Scripture? The Torah is a Scripture and so is the Injeel and the Quran. Islamically speaking,Torah was given to Moses as a Scripture. Injeel to Jesus as a Scripture. Quran to Muhammad as a Scripture, right? Ishmael lived long before Muhammad and that was before the quran. Then, how can you say the revelations or Scripture allahh gave to Ishmael is the quran that had not existed in his time? Your statement is like saying the story of Moses told in the quran is the Torah and there is no Torah as a separate Scripture. Likewise the Injeel (Gospel), given to Jesus is the story of Jesus in the quran and no Gospel anywhere as a separate Scripture. All these were Scriptures existing long before the quran.

I have determine not to insult you again, being the fact that you are old enough to be my dad.. But, obviously, what you wrote up here shows that age is really affecting your reasoning. Perhaps as a result of those weed you smoked when you were of my age.

Now, I won't bother to type much, since you've refused to address my post as I have been addressin yours. Here is the verse again in 3 different translations.

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention [size=15pt] in the Book (the Quran) [/size] Isma'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
Also mention [size=15pt] in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: [/size] He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
AND CALL to mind, [size=15pt] through this divine writ, [/size] Ishmael. Behold, he was always true to his promise, and was an apostle [of God], a prophet,
(English - Mohd Asad)

You must be a small boy with childish reasonings and nobody should take you seriously anymore.

Your opinion does'nt count sir

SUMMARY OF YOUR DEFENCE: The Scripture of Ishmael who lived many years before the quran, which should have existed long before the quran is also the quran. What a trash!

Where is the story of Prophet Iddo?

benedictnsi:
That's why we is an Atheist then.....

malvisguy212:
Good morning to you too and happy sallah in advance. God love everyone of us ,he say to Jeremiah "before you were born ,I chose you .

mubarakopeyemi:
hold on a bit he will be back for u

truthman2012:
Trash!!!

It doesn't make any sense when you write trash as a reply to my a post you didn't make an attempt to debunke at all. I was expecting you to address my post one after the other, but to my utmost surprise, you didn't fail to show your ignorance.

You have no place to hide.

Lool! Hide? for what? I am not like you, you know? you will soon run to your hideout

Is quran 19:55 the revelation allahh claimed he gave to Ishmael?

You are again mixing revelation with book. Revelation doesn't necessarily mean a book; this was addressed up there. He received message from God, and he carried it out by enjoining his family and his people to Believe in God.

Surah Maryam, Verse 55:
And he used to enjoin on his family and his people As-Salat (the prayers) and the Zakat, and his Lord was pleased with him.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

Was it Ishmael allahh spoke to in that verse or Muhammad?

Yes, it was the Prophet (SA). He was being reminded the story of Ismael.

Now look at this:
[Quran 19:54 Pickthal] And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

The 'scripture of Ismael' mentioned here is the story of Ismael as according to the Quran. Other translation of the Quran attest to this.

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention in the Book (the Quran) Isma'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention Ismail in the Book; surely he was truthful in (his) promise, and he was an apostle, a prophet.
(shakir)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
AND CALL to mind, through this divine writ, Ishmael. Behold, he was always true to his promise, and was an apostle [of God], a prophet,
(English - Mohd Asad)

Where is the SCRIPTURE OF ISHMAEL that contains the revelations given to him?

The scripture of ismael mentioned as according to the context of the chapter is the Story of Ismael narratated in the Quran. Verse 56 also talked about the story of Idris and not yhe scripture given to Idris.

Now, is the story of Prophet Iddo written?

You are hereby proved wrong that quran 19:55 is the revelation given to Ishmael.

Revelation is slightly different from scripture, stop mixing the two together.

truthman2012:
Rilwon

truthman2012:
Waiting for Rilwon!!!

You dont have to mention me all the time.

Anas09:
Oga Seun, I caught some one here you may consider training as a Mod. She's Muslims though, but very objective and balance. That's how I ve observe her though.

Someone that doesn't come online often can't moderate nairaland.

malvisguy212:
do you really expect me to list 20 prophet ?

Is that hard for you to do?

For what ?

To clarify matters on this thread.

If you want to know the number of prophet , check google.

The google I checked said Isaac is a Prophet, and you say he is not. Now, please kindly search that same google and copy atleast 20prophets of the bible for us to see.

I believe that's not hard for you to do, is it?

JackBizzle:
I left Nairaland for almost a year, only to come and meet a barren wasteland, lacking seriously in intellectual topics.

However, there is hope- I see my fellow atheists (Plaetton and onetrack) still keeping on in the religion section.

Also, who is johnydon22? Because I like the guy! Fire on, bro.


Ehem. I also see that the islamic section is as dead as ever. Emp.iree, veda.xcool, rilwon, alba.qir, wetin dey?


I also see thatwe have a new Mr Anony in the person of KingEbukasBlog. lol


Wassap, Muskeeto? Judas IsCARROT?

My good friend Logicboy a.k.a MacDaddy, the ever stiffnecked reprobate as Obadiah777 a.k.a sukkot used to say

You see, I was reading one of your old post on a thread last night https://www.nairaland.com/953936/houris-role-reward#11014416 and I was just laffin my as§ out

Really missed your jokes bruh!

Welcome back.

malvisguy212:
you're not even ashamed to call the numbers even when the arab have just ONE self proclaim prophet whose message contradicte the others prophet message . Go through the bible and study how God revealed his messages to his prophet, before God revealed his message to them He will make known to them who Is He ,for example " the God of your father, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob " He want the prophet to know who they are encounting , the true God. But in the case of muhammed, it was different , the angel even begin with violent conduct , infacte, muhammed thought he was possess.

List atleast 20 prophets in the bible, is dat too hard for you?
What if you are asked this same question in WAEC, will your answer be the above balderdash?

malvisguy212:
I gave you example on how God called his prophet and you still don't get it, do you think this men go for interview ? maby you don't understand, let try it like this. Did this prophet chose themselves ? Did they call God and say they want to be a prophet ? “Father of the Faithful.” it was God himself who gave Abraham this title, Abraham did not give himself. David was in the field when God call him to rule over isreal .

Robot [size=20pt] List atleast 20 prophet of the bible. [/size]

malvisguy212:
go and read the bible, it was God himself who was calling them .Moses was even far away with his sheep when God call him, in Jeremiah chapter one it say"The Lord said to me, “Before I formed you in your mother’s womb I CHOSE YOU . And in first Samuel 3:10 it say "Then the Lord came and stood nearby,CALLING as he had previously done,Samuel Samuel"

God in His wisdom chose men who would obey Him faithfully and He gave them authority to speak on His behalf.
Prophets were not chosen or elected by
men, and they were not permitted to
inherit the title or regard it as an official
post to be filled by a man specially
trained for it. Notice also that God told them what to do.

Okay, if you can't tell me how God choosed them all. Can you please list atleast 20 prophets of the Bible?

Anas09:
Rilwon stop campaining, u won't get the job. We know U. A muslim can't take Bashing against Muhammed and allah as fun. Al-Tiggya Alert

What is Al tiggya?

Demmzy15:
Bros Rilwon, are you seeing what I'm seeing?!

**faints**

I kuku see am. Na god go save us from malvisguy.. Hin matter don taya me walahi.

malvisguy212:
@enieme,rilwayn will never stop insulting people, insult dey e blood.

Rilwayne001 your nightmare.. Oh oh! I miss my moniker

Rilwayne001 will be back this weekend

malvisguy212:
okay. A prophet is an inspired teacher who proclaim the will of God . Hearing from God doesent mean you are a prophet , it is God himself who appoint His prophet. Just as Jesus appoint His own disciples.

Can you please list them and reference how they were appointed?

malvisguy212:
this evening, I was watching a christian programme (faith TV) Joycemeyer . A muslims girl came home and told her parents, "I am now a christian" they ask why, the girl reply, "because God love me that is why he FIRST send His son to die for my sin " she was not tough that Allah love her , she was only tough to OBEY Allah . Yes that what islam is about , obey allah , love allah and his messanger , don't ask question.

@ All muslims , has your Alfa or imam ever told you, Allah love you ? ( If you lie ,deep inside you, you know the truth ) NO muslims can BOAST Allah love him .

enieme:
yes i get ur point, but then:
{Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is Most Knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.} [Quran 16:125]

{And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is One; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”} [Quran 29:46]

Okay, thanks ma'am.

truthman2012:
Educate yourself here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iddo_(prophet)

Or Google prophet Iddo

2 Chronicles 13:22 talks about a book not wikipedia

malvisguy212:
the bible never mention Isaac as a prophet . your answer indicate you agree with the talmud, do the talmud mention muhammed as a prophet ? Why will the Jews have soo many prophet and only one came from arab with different message? And the manner in which All this prophet received their revelation is different from muhammed. All prophet encounter the Almighty God when receiving there revelation, only muhammed received his own through an angel . Why ?

First of all answer my question: [size=20pt] WHO IS A PROPHET? [/size]

I will answer this post whenever you answrr the above question..

enieme:
yeah its my firs time but once d arguement starts getting heated, ill just ignore them

We can't possibly ignore these set of individual, check on their profile one after the other, you will notice that they are hell bent on spreading lies about Islam. We cant continue to look at them like that.

And the sad part is that, they all cant stand an open reasonable debate. They would be the first to throw insult at God and His prophet.

truthman2012:
Which other post are you talking about?
Sure, God reveals only messages that are yet unknown to man, no need repeating Himself and that is one of my points. Every generation has peculiar messages based on their actions and behaviours and God often times needed to speak to them through various prophets. But according to islam and even you, allahh was reaping himself hundreds of times in all generations Infact, he had no other message other than ''worship one-God and do not associate partners with him, other aspect of human lives did not matter to him. As if that existing message is not on records already, he keeps sending all prophets to say the same thing for all generations. That reapetition of messages by allah is what you anchored your defence upon by saying all prophets, including Ishmael were given the same message, because you could find the revelations allahh claimed he gave to him.

You are mixing things up old man. When I said the bone of contention, I wasnt talking about the only message/revelation or the same revelation.. What I mean by 'bone of contention' is the main issue i.e. the most important message being revealed.. Jesus in Mark 12:29 laid emphasy on this when he said 'the most important commandement is to understand the God is ONE...
Please don't get me wrong.

We found where allahh spoke to Adam. We found where he spoke to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad etc but no record of where he spoke to Ishmael as a prophet. So in islam it is only the revelation given to Ishmael that is missing. There is record of even Adam who first lived, why is that of Ishmael who lived much later is missing.

I have addressed this up there, only that you just want to remain stiffnecked. The record is not our concern if not what is in it, Quran 19:55 already made it clear that is in the record.

Now, let me ask you: Where is the story of Prophet Iddo written?

The truth is that no revelation was given to Ishmael, it is only one of the devices of the Devil to deceive humanity.

Thats your opinion, and that you typed it here doesnt make it true. My response so far is enough for any sane individual that your assertion above is nothing but lie.

As I said earlier, Ishmael case is not the only lie I discovered in the quran, the false claim of past prophets marrying the wives of their adopted sons and past prophets receiving revelation from satan like Muhammad could not be disputed.

Do you know all the Prophets sent by God? If yes - Please start by telling us their names and their wives..

mubarakopeyemi:
Rilwon and demzy shey na like dis una go dey watch people dey go joylessly??
Una wicked oo

Even if na lawma work make una gibew these people

lol.. I only pity Annunaki a.k.a jagoon

enieme:
kindly do not stoop to the same level of insulting rather than debating sensibly

I believe you are saying this because you haven't for once engage them in a debate.

enieme:
althogh id advise that u do less of argeing as u may sometimes make insulting posts or touch controversial areas that may even refer backbto d religion u profess.
example is ur thread on a "suya loving God".
the purpose is to argue with reason nd hope to change view, not to insult, hate or show flawsvs one'superiority

Okay, thanks.

enieme:
i dont think ill be disappointed.

Alright ma'am.

truthman2012:
If 30 40 years people are old people to you, then you must be a juvenine. No wonder your reasoning is puerile.

What is wrong in Yahweh loving sweet burnt animals' aroma? Is he not entitled to what He likes?

This is just too funny. Thank God you affirmed the point without playing hide and seek.. I'll come back to this.

Doesn't the quran confirm Torah as a guidance for mankind?

First of all, what is the torah?

What is your point really?

My point is this: Why the aroma of burnt animals is a satisfactory offering to receive his forgiveness of yhwh?
If God required the scent of burnt offerings for atonement in the OT , why wasn't Jesus body charred for the smoke to go up to the air for God to smell? Maybe the explanation for that is that was because it was God himself . So, then, how is God satisfied with his own death ? Was it the smell of his own dying body ? Did the curiosity of being killed finally satisfy him? If so, why?

Very simple questions