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Miyaichi is actually more LANS than Verminator & Traore considering he's never played for Arsenal before.

Cesc & Nasri included in the UCL qualifier squad. . . Bargaining stunt or potential end to the drama?

tkb417:
@Ritchie
Not trying to support Nateevs cos I saw some of his comments while the game was on - appalling

But the comment above from you "The team that wins the league is called the champion and NOT the best team" means what?

What's your problem? Are you trying to be funny?

You're not making sense,

The best team in the Europe is Barca not because of anything but because they won a tournament designed to pick the best team - Not a Champion. And if winning the league makes you a champion and not the best team, how do you conclude that a team is better if competitions won shouldn't be a barometer

Back to your argument with Nateevs

Its safe to say based on stat that Odemweinge was better than Torres last season but we all can conclude Torres suffered a dip in form and hence his below par performance. Nobody celebrates history but your current form and there is nothing that says Torres would come out of his 'issues'

So, using past glory to invalidate present stat wouldn't necessarily score u points in your debate. A man/player is as good as his present delivery. If all a player/team has to show as his worth is his past glory, then nothing more to say

The team with the best backline would be judged on 2 variables. Number of clean sheets and Games lost. A team with fewer goals conceded that lost many games might not necessarily be the best backline in the league /Vice versa

2 cents

Oh no, you too?

I'm a massive fan of Ox but i think this might be a case of misplaced priorities, unless there will be at least 2 more ins and outs.

debosky:
Arsenal's young players are not in the class of the Cleverleys, Jones and Welbecks.

This is not true. . . Wilshere is younger/better than Jones, Ramsey is younger/better than Welbeck, Cleverley will be Walcott's age in a few days.

The difference is Arsenal's best young players play more regularly so may not necessarily be considered "youngsters".

Since stats never always paint the full picture, we might as well wait for 3 seasons to know who the champions really are, that way we've had more a season's stats to prove the undoubtedly best team. Because the team that wins the PL is called the best team. So how are we allowed to call a team the best in one season, yet can't say another has a better attack based on one season?

What sort of reetarded analogy is this? Your brain should be spat on for being so useless.

The league is a competition DESIGNED to be decided by statistics(points, GD, etc), whoever has the most points after 38 games wins it that particular season, FULL STOP. The team that wins the league is called the champion, not the "best team", stop trying to bend facts to suit your idiotic argument.

Having the best defense on the other hand cannot possibly be decided by ONE STATISTIC(GC) of ONE COMPETITION(EPL) over ONE SEASON alone when there a million variables directly affecting the statistic itself unrelated to a team's ability to defend, such as injuries, opposition form, bad officiating etc. Not to mention changes to the teams since the end of the season i.e player sales/acquisitions, change of managers/coaches etc.

Do we sweep the other competitions' stats under the rug? Abi they don't defend or attack there?

However according to your daft logic, "one team cannot be said to be better than the rest in one season"

Can you show me where you THINK i said this so my bagel can laugh at your terrible comprehension skills?

I am sorry Alfa Ritchboy, in the 2010/11 season, Blackpool's attack was just as good as Spurs' because they scored 55 goals a piece.

It WAS or it IS, or both? In the 2010/11 season Odemwingie WAS also better than Torres, does that mean Odemwingie IS a better player than Torres? In 07/08 Villareal finished 10 points above Barca, i'm sure you'd have rather faced Barca in the UCL in 08/09 than Villareal.

In case this is your first time Witchboy, there is a gulf of difference between attackers and attack.
And better attackers does not equal better attack. How hard can that be?

Only in your deluded mind this gulf of difference exists. I'm not talking of marginally or even moderately better players here, i'm talking about far superior footballers. Van der Vaart, Modric, Bale, etc vs Grandin, Ormerod and co? You must be the phatest phool to ever walk the earth!

nateevs:
It's not ok to tell me how phat a fool I am without saying why you think otherwise.

The reasons why you are a phat phool are so obvious i didn't think i'd need to state them, but here it goes:

A. You cannot conclude team A has a better attack than team B based on ONE season's statistics.
B. You cannot conclude team A has a better attack than team B based on ONE competition's(EPL) statistics.
C. You cannot conclude team A has a better attack than team B based on statistics alone when statistics in general can never paint the full picture.

Is Odemwingie better than Torres because of one season? Is DJ Campbell better than Drogba?

Ahhhhh, you are a fool, hard boiled egg, Nateevs 2011. . . . . . blah blah blah! A lot of typing without saying much.
Tell me why you believe Spurs' attack is better than Blackpool's.

Because they have far better attacking players. I have put it as succinctly as possible since comprehension is not your forte.

If you actually believe Blackpool have a better attack than Spurs then i should be apologizing to hard-boiled eggs the world over for comparing their intelligence to yours.

As for midfield, can you tell me how you have come to the conclusion that Arsenal's better.

Similar reason as above, with the chemistry to boot.

Listing the players I already know doesn't help.

Of course nothing can help you. . . You are a lost cause!

nateevs:
Don't ask me midfield nko? without accepting your stupidity.
If Blackpool scored more goals than Spurs, yes they do have a better attack than Spurs.
What else would you come up with? Inferior attack?

How do you judge a better attack?
If Blackpool have a defence as good as Spurs', they could easily finish above Spurs!. Simple as.

You are a phat phool!

"Blackpool have a better attack than Spurs" - Nateevs 2011. I should frame this and show it to your grandchildren, provided they don't inherit your stupidity, otherwise they'd think it's brilliant!

As for midfield:

Lamps Cesc
Essien Wilshere
Mikel        Song
Benayoun        Nasri
Ramires Ramsey
Josh        Rosicky
Romeu             Diaby

Of course only one with the brain-power of a hard-boiled egg would say Chelsea have the best midfield in the league

nateevs:
Call it joint. Call it all you want.
Yes they do, based on one season.
How else would you put it.

Using your logic, Newcastle and West Brom have a better attack than Spurs because they both scored more goals, and Blackpool's is on par because they scored the same number of goals.

Midfield nko? How did you arrive at that unfortunate conclusion?

It is with great pride i ask the first HOW MARKET? of the season

Bayern 0-1 Monchengladbach

In your own backyard, I dey

Rubbish team, Dortmund for the title!

nateevs:
Ode ni e.
Chelsea conceded the least amount of goals in the PL last season.
Yes we do have the best defence in the league.

If you no like am, go hug transformer.

City and Chelsea conceded the same number of goals, do we also say City have the best defence in the league based on one season? Nateevs you need to lie down.

Nateevs has a catalog of brain farts over the last few weeks or so. . . "Pedro is not a winger, Ashley Young may never play for England again, Chelsea have the best defence and midfield", etc etc etc.

Remember him in your prayers

Clichy is a genius

Even Kompany has been infected, it must be contagious

Brilliant game of football, brilliant United.

Mancini needs to be a lot more adventurous if he has any ambition of winning the league.

^^ But he was right. . . Pedro himself has since declared he is not a winger

coogar:
more pace than berbatov, so yes!
to be pacy is also a skill.

Ladies and gentlemen, you heard it here first!

i doubt it.
cleverly destroyed barcelona only last week. . . . .
besides, sneijder destroyed barcelona in 2010. . . . .he destroyed spain in the world cup but for robben's profligacy.
sneijder is the only available player now that united can add to destroy barcelona. . . . . .no player comes close in the whole of europe!

----------de gea--------------

twin----rio-------vida------evra

------carrick------anderson----

valencia----sneijder----Park--

-------------rooney--------------


FIXED!

Aimar, my favorite player on earth during his Valencia days.

coogar:
he is exactly what we need. . . . if we are hoping of catching or closing the gap on barcelona.
if you watched the italia supercup today, you would know sneijder is a gem.

why should united be worrying over sneijder's wages. you pay world class wages to world class players.
sneijder is better technically than any player in our team.

Berbatov?

----------de gea--------------

twin----rio-------vida------evra

-------------carrick------------

anderson-------------sneijder

nani-------rooney-----valencia

this team will win the next champions league in munich!

Barcelona will still mop the floor with this team

How mush?

Cristalz:
Or someone stole her password
Nah.  .  .not required

Thought we'd be discussing the Community Shield up in here. Abi you guys don't plan to watch?
Personally I'm wondering how Mancini plans to effectively juggle all the hot boots hez got lined up and dying for action.

Clichy hat-trick!

Broken bone[b]s[/b], red card[b]s[/b], and all the good stuff please!

Another possibility:

Bayern
Marseille
Olympiakos
Otelul Galati

Bayern go still carry last

Possible group:

Barcelona
Milan
Man City
Dortmund

I'm licking my lips. . .

dayokanu:
Debo should be ashamed that "ORDINARY" ritchboy would be correcting you in footballing matters.

I agree that Debo's brain has seen better days

Coming from the mugu that wanted Bayern to draw Arsenal. . . Do you also expect Barcelona and Man Utd in the same group in UCL?

This "youth" talk is redundant.

dayokanu:
Shame we couldnt get Arsenal.

Bayern and Arsenal were seeded.

Arsenal can stake a big claim to developing Fab4 into what he is today, by taking the raw u1-7 talent and turning that into the most productive central midfielder in Europe over the past 5 years.

Statistically Lampard should be the "most productive". Overall performance most people would say Xavi. Stats + performance then maybe Cesc.

Rubin Kazan would have been dicey. Udinese have lost three of their best players but i've always feared that Di Natale boy.

One way or the other dem go still chop am!

P.S. Wenger is a f00l for bottling the top-3.

Like play like play the H2H league don reach 27 teams. . . Eldee is proving yet again to be grossly incompetent!

dayokanu:
The motive for grooming players is to become stars. One is already a star so what work are you doing on him.

Fab was already a star. Le tallec and Pongolle flopped at Liverpool they were Le havre youth players

What work are you doing by putting an already baked bread in an oven vs when you put dough in the oven?

See your mouth like star. Can you compare Cesc of 2003 to Cesc of today? Star ko Gulder ni!

I can also say Owusu was already a dud.

dayokanu:
How can you call a player who was already a star before joining you your youth product?

So if Arsenal bought Pele at the age of 17 when he was already a FIFA star he would be called an Arsenal youth?

How can you call a player who was already average before joining an Arsenal youth?

I believe the main("classic") Nairaland league is open to all members while the Carling Cup("head-2-head") still has 20 unfilled slots.

dayokanu:
My point is if you buy a player who has already shown promise in a FIFA, UEFA competition.

E.g Waidi was the star at the UEFA or FIFA U17,  and was a Bolton youth, after the tournament Wigan buys him and 3 yrs later he became a star which Youth team should he be credited to?

Also Owusu Abeyie is different from fabregas

Owusu Abeyie has achieved nothing at Ajax as a 16yr old, Fabregas while playing for Barca youth team has been Highest goal scorer and Player of the tournament at a FIFA tournament.

Would you now combine the two in the same bag,

Owusu has not played a game for Ajax senior team same with Fabregas Thats where the similarity ends.

One was a Youth star at a FIFA tournament and known worldwide one an unknown player who people had doubts about, Wenger bought him to turn into a world beater and we see the result right now.

Reetarded analysis. . . You're saying if Arsenal buy an average player @ 16(Owusu), he's a product of Arsenal's "youth policy", but if Arsenal buy a good player @ 16(Cesc), he isn't?

My hamster is laughing at you.

Cristalz:
Sneijder coming in, Nani/Berba/Vidic leaving are still rumors, which always persist as we all know.

Dunno why y'all still chew Tylenol when there are no real aches yet

Igor, SHE'S ALIVE!!!!