₦airaland Forum

sojjy:
@mekusxx,you are a novice and i don't think u carried out a well analytical research on the person of Chief Obafemi Awolowo before.How on earth wl u be little d great achievement of Chief Obafemi Awolowo?He's highly respected both at home and abroad.His legacies are numerous.His adm. was d 1st to introduced free education,free health,good motorable road among others.In-fact,he developed d western region wit only farm produce not wit oil revenue.Tell me,how many govt of today can do dat wit jst little resources at his disposal?He wl remain d best president Nigeria never had.

Awo and Abiola - The best presidents Nigeria never had. 
IBB and Abacha and co - the worst presidents Nigeria ever had 

All it takes to be the best president in Nigeria is NOT TO BE A PRESIDENT.
Naija sef 

Is anyone aware that Ojukwu himself coined that phrase " the best president Nigeria never had" originally as an a sarcastic attempt to mock Awo ?
You guys make me laugh !

Una nevaer see anything .
Goodluck is actually Abacha !
And Obama is Tupac !
Mohammed is actually Jesus Christ !

What's all this talk about an individual that took over without actually planing a coup being one of the worst harm on Nigeria ?
Just because he did not shoot the coup plotters.
I guess Jerry Rawlings is the biggest harm 2 Ghana for planing a coup.
Some of you just don't belong to this day and age.

Another thing and I stand to be corrected is that Sanusi bank auditing carried out by sanusi were not Independent.
By that I mean third party.
Or dont you think they should've at least been an independent commitee included in the auditors.

biina:
@Roadstar
1.Soludo inherited a healthy banking sector. He said so in his own words (in his first speech).

With all due respect, I would like to differ with you on that.
Regarding Soludo's first speech, I would like a source reference or something.
The message I got from Soludo on assumption of office is that he inherited a fragile banking sector with little capital resources, mainly one man businesses that had no focus or direction and hence could not make any impression on the wider economy.

2. Sanusi, based on the evidence he provided (and I am yet to see anyone including the sacked executives dispute this) inherited a failing sector.

Asides Sanusi himself who was MD of first bank, I dont know of any bank MD who alleged that the banking sector in Nigeria was a failing sector as at when Sanusi took over. I heard a comments for and against but this were just people stating their opinions for or against.

3. If the above statements are true, then the sector was ruined under Soludo's watch, and that was the hidden price we paid for the apparent growth i.e.like you said 'seemed to have been working'.

No one can say they are true. As far as im concerned, we have two Sanusis the un-vocal Sanusi at the helm of First bank and the now too vocal one at the helm of CBN.
This now begs the question. Sanusi is a man known to have foraged into the political arena and done critical write-ups , He must have at least seen the rot in the banking sector so why did he not speak up then.

4 But now people are making Sanusi out to be the bad guy, when he simply doing what needs to be done.

People are not just making sanusi the bad guy. Most ordinary people see the mass retrenchments
The credit squeeze and the fall in the baking functions generally, so why should you blame them ?

But then this is not about excusing Sanusi on the basis of actions/inactions by Soludo. Its simply a case of there is a mess in the sector, and Sanusi is cleaning it up.It is after a substantial part of the mess has been cleaned up, and we have a truer picture of where things stand, can we then make the right plans and move forward.

It not about cleaning any mess in the banking sector. It is about the manner and approach. The assessment and impact of his positive actions. This reminds me of those that call for military coups any time there is a political crisis. Not all solutions solve problems, some create more problems.
There hasn't been enough transparency from Sanusi in my own opinion. He has acted independently and has made little or no attempt to carry the people along.
There are genuine questions being asked by ordinary folks.
Like how much of the banks exposures were as a result of Governments non-payment of contractors and petroleum importers.
What transpired with transcorp. They had un-performing loans but the FG was partly responsible.
Even the yara'dua government has found it necessary on more that one occassion to step in and excuse a certain group of the borrowers.
What is his blue print for the banking sector reforms.
From the initial days of Soludo, no one will deny that he made attempts to detail a blueprint he was going to see out as CBN governor, From Consolidation, Microfinance banking, Nigerian mint, Forex policies and Naira redenomination etc.
He prided himself on how many of those he managed to acheive in office.
It was amazing how he laid down this blueprint and even tried to see them off !

Soludo to me is not entirely a success story but no one can deny his impact !

biina:
The comparison of Soludo to Sanusi should be clear to anyone that has read Covey's '7 Habits of highly effective people' (and anyone that hasnt should try to) and its discussion of P/PC balance.

A relevant excerpt:

Organizational PC
One of the immensely valuable aspects of any correct principle is that it is valid and applicable in a wide variety of circumstances. Throughout this book, I would like to share with you some of the ways in which these principles apply to organizations, including families, as well as to individuals. When people fail to respect the P/PC Balance in their use of physical assets in organizations, they decrease organizational effectiveness and often leave others with dying geese.

For example, a person in charge of a physical asset, such as a machine, may be eager to make a good impression on his superiors. Perhaps the company is in a rapid growth stage and promotions are coming fast. So he produces at optimum levels -- no downtime, no maintenance. He runs the machine day and night. The production is phenomenal, costs are down, and profits skyrocket. Within a short time, he's promoted. Golden eggs.

But suppose you are his successor on the job. You inherit a very sick goose, a machine that, by this time, is rusted and starts to break down. You have to invest heavily in downtime and maintenance. Costs skyrocket; profits nose-dive. And who gets blamed for the loss of golden eggs? You do. Your predecessor liquidated the asset, but the accounting system only reported unit production, costs, and profit.

I dont understand the reason behing your post.
As fas as I am concerned Soludo did not inherit exactly a very vibrant banking sector either.
But he forged a direction which apparently seemed to have been working until Sanusi came and told us that this was not really the case.

With comments like this I forsee a situation were Sanusi and his apologists will continue to excuse themselves using the past CBN administration which to me is just lame

Sanusi once said on BBC that is target is to create a banking sector with operated withing International standards on ethical banking.
That I should add is a fair target but in my opinion should't be the end target.
It should't be done at the expense of growth of the banking sector.

For now all I see is an over- regulating CBN.
A CBN wich has gone into the business of micro-managing banks.
Mediating foreign investors in a group of banks.
Setting the business Objectives of a group of banks.
Limited the independence of the banking sector and has managed to allienate tactically a lot the most experienced hands in the banking Industry.
The above move in my opinion is unprecedented.
But I guess he knows what he is doing.
Even the slight change of power in Aso Rock has asked for clarification or blueprint of his course of action.

Well Sanusi should start talking targets like Soludo did.
Soludo even had the audersity to tell south African bankers that nigeria will be the biggest sub-saharan banking sector by 2020.
He was talking things like baking sector funding sizes and the bankis involvement in capital projects.

He should set benchmarks.
Hes been about a year now but while I acknowledge this is a relatively short time, he must be acheiving some deliverables by now !

I am no longer interested in all this technical brouhaha.
Soludos consolidation brought about a vibrant banking sector never seen before in Nigerias history.
For the first time even Sanusi attested to the fact on BBC that the banking sector overtook the Federal government as the primary financier to the private sector.
This was as a result I think of the consolidation exercise.
While many would say that this was cosmetic and that the banking sector had huge underlying problems.

I am still waiting to see the effects of Sanusi's reforms by way of activity in the wider economy.
For now, at least from the surface it has been disastrous so far.
While I must add that it is too soon to judge, but this must be the desired end effects or else Sanusis reforms will be seen as one of the darkest episodes in Nigerias economic history.
Somewhat like Babangidas SAP programme.

I am no longer interested in all this technical brouhaha.
Soludos consolidation brought about a vibrant banking sector never seen before in Nigerias history.
For the first time even Sanusi attested to the fact on BBC that the banking sector overtook the Federal government as the primary financier to the private sector.
This was as a result I think of the consolidation exercise.
While many would say that this was cosmetic and that the banking sector had huge underlying problems.

I am still waiting to see the effects of Sanusi's reforms by way of activity in the wider economy.
While I must add that it is too soon to judge, but this must be the desired end effects or else Sanusis reforms will be seen as one of the darkest episodes in Nigerias economic history.
Somewhat like Babangidas SAP programme.

From Gowon to Ojukwu to Awo to Sauron(the slowpoke) and now Afam.
This thread has outlived its usefulness having been hijacked by all sorts of Idiots who dont have the ability to stay on course a discussion.

Bunch of Retards !
Abeg OP close this thread jare !

~Sauron~:
Jeeeeeez. . . . . .I have seen more intelligent Silverbacks in Yankari game reserve.

I was replying Mekuxxy until you brought your fuckwit self into the matter.
Why don't you swallow some pills of cyanide if you despise Awo so much?

Mr Sauron or Maoron or whatever you call you self!
I don't despise Awo as much as those who worship Awo.

Can you f*** off my posts, your obscuring my views.

~Sauron~:
Who cares where you sprang from?
U could be an Afghan for all i care. I ain't bashing you cos you are Ibo but because you are so foolish you make a Gorilla sound like Einstein.

I didn't read your earlier posts cos there's nothing intelligent in your heap of applesauce.
Sauron only peruses intelligent comments which you can never author cos you have a poor spirit in penmanship.

So why did you jump in on my post if you were not mentally capable of understanding me.
Why don't you go and jerk off to a poster of Awo or something !

~Bluetooth:
how many yoruba did awo killed?.lying ojukwu worshipper.

You are not aware of the political impasse in western region as a result of Awo's cynical political practices.
Which by the way was the excuse issued by the 1966 coup plotters.
Do you know how many people lost their lives then.
Imbecilic, uneducated slowpoke !

~Sauron~:
You are a bumbling idiot.
Awolowo, Zik, Biafra are all issues from the past.
U cannot rewrite history. The fact is a useless villain led your grandfathers to the slaughter house in a senseless war.
Ma educated guess would be you lost your grandparents to the war hence your bitter response.

How is it ma fault that your folks lacked common sense that led em to a mass suicide?

If not for your short-sightedness and low intellect as a result of worshiping a renowned lightweight like Awo.
Which has made you conclude that I am Igbo.
You would've noticed from my earlier posts that I have been resolute in pointing out Ojukwu as the major culprit in the massacre of innocent women and children of his kindred.
Which doesn't absolve Gowon, Awo or the British because they were active players in the War against an unarmed civilian populace.

~Sauron~:
If it makes you sleep at night, by all means say so. . . . .
U can also paint the emboldened on your CAR and drive it around.

Who don't you place a sticker of Awo on your forehead or better still have it tattoed on your Arse!

Awo has also been responsible for the loss of lives amongst his yoruba kindred before the war.

The fact though is that not all Yorubas think like you.

Awo worshiping slowpoke !

~Sauron~:
Awolowo did what was beneficial to his people. . . . .He wouldn't let Zik con him into turning the West into a battle-ground.
Blaming him means blaming the Yoruba people entirely.

By the above statement, I can also say that "Some Yoruba folks are morons"

~Sauron~:
He led them like rams to a senseless war he knew he could never win.
Millions of lives were lost and the instigator ran with his tails between his legs and the war survivors are[b] blaming the Yorubas for their loss.[/b]
Honestly, some Ibo folks are morons.

I still dont see how blaming Awo means blaming yoruba

ndu_chucks:
Afam, I suspect you are an honest man. Would you be willing to admit that if Ojukwu  has surrendered as soon as the blockade was in place, hundreds of thousands of Igbo women and children's lives would not have perished? Allowing these children and women to die senselessly is an attrocious act of wickedness and cowardice.  

I am not talking about what Ojukwu saw 40 years ago and are being witnessed as you put it, today. I am talking about hundreds of thousands of Igbo children and women who died. Surely, Ojukwu shares in the responsibility of their dealths.  That of course, is not to say that the people who imposed the blockade are free of sin.

Confirm your honesty and admit that what Ojukwu did in this case, was wrong. Let's call a spade, a spade.

Well said my friend !
Well said !!
This is what I have been trying to say all along.
Not only when the blockade was in place, there were numerous other oppurtunities.
When the OAU backed Nigeria.
When the UN security council backed Nigeria.
When the british offered to mediate negotiations.
When Enugu fell.
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I dont think you would have any luck though.
If Ojukwu can care less about the death of thousands of women and children of his kindred, do you expect Gowon or Awo to care more ?
They will instead alledge that you are not a real Igbo man or worse still that you are yoruba.
All because you do not abscribe to their Ojukwu style self gratifying propaganda.

asha 80:
Ukpabi Asika's name is a taboo is igboland and it was shown by the shunning of well meaning igbos for his burial.Obi can do whatever ge likes nobody cares because we all know what his father represents.

Most of you were not born during the war but my regret is that there are very few objective elderly Igbo men and women who have cared to research for the truth instead of pushing a lot of lies which are mostly propaganda, was used by Ojukwu to arouse Biafran Nationalist feeling and anti-Nigerian passions which I must say was needed during the war.
During war the first culprit is always the truth.
Do you think Ukpabi Asika was the only Biafran traitor that lived ?
Did your parents bother to tell you that most Igbo political class were against the war includung Amb. Ralph Uwechue the present president of ohaneze.

There are two main culprits who have most blood on their hands but are never adequately mentioned.
Mass murderers who could sacrifice millions of lives for political expediency.
These two parties do not get enough mention in the whole Biafran episode.
They are Ojukwu and the British Government (Harold Wilson).

mekusxxx:
Did you mean second world war?

Sorry I meant the second world war .

If so, you comparison is worthless. The Germans were the ones that drew the first blood by attacking and annexing Poland. In our case, Nigeria attacked Biafra simply because Biafra wants to leave the country. Does that not sound like a difference to you?

Could you please stop dancing around and get the point.
I compared the two based on the effects on not the cause.

Nazi was the govt in power then and represented Germany. You could not oppose it and live, as a German.

And Ojukwus government as at the time was in power . (Even though not elected)!
Can you give me and example of an igbo man who opposed ojukwus regime, stayed in Biafra and lived ?
All Ndigos pre-war political class including Zik were on exile.
Ojukwu even threatened Zik with execution for treason after his negotiations at the OAU.
Can you not see any similarities ?

So effectively it was the country Germany that fought against the allied European forces+USA and USSR. The entire Igbo supported leaving Nigeria because they were being killed in very many parts of Nigeria. How is that not a war against the Igbo?

And the Biafran soldiers were Biafrans period !
And they supported the war for whatever reasons the same way most Germans felt as at the time , they had genuine reasons to support Hitler regime before the second world war.
Civilians dont resolve to go to war, governments do and this applies to Biafra.
But regretably, the citizens suffer the most during war.

Summarizing
If the second world war was against the Germans then you are right. The civil war was against Ndigbo.
But if the second world war was against the Nazi 3rd Reich like the west mostly try to paint it nowaday, then Gowon in his own right can claim same.

mekusxxx:
What are you guys even debating here?
Can somebody answer the question?
Was the Biafra war against Igbos or not? If you do not have the answer, please buzz off and stop injecting personalities into a serious matter that affects an entire ethnic group. Gowon says the war was not against a tribe (Igbos). Is this true or false?

Was the second world war against the Germans or against the Nazi regime (3rd Reich).
If you answer that question, I will answer yours.
The Germans today are unequivocal in condemning Hitler and the 3rd reich and are less vocal in condemning the unfair Anglo-French policies that let to the rise of the 3rd Reich.
Not to talk of the suffering and humiliations that were brought on their people by the allied forces and the red army in parts of Germany.
War is evil no matter what the reasons are and Ojukwu had the biggest call to prevent war and hence prevent untold suffering and humiliation on his people.
Which was exactly what Awo did. You can call that cowardice but who is laughing now ?
You guys have to learn from history else we could make the same mistake again and again.

aloy-emeka:
List Ojukwu's misgivings and stop making blanket statement. What did Ojukwu do that is so heinous to Igbos and non Igbos apart from leading the Biafran war. I support his cause although mine should be the North/South divide. I will still support another war to separate the North and South today. Ojukwu's vision is one in a million and I am sure that majority of Nigerians including your kinsmen would have supported the war if they knew Nigeria will turn out this way in 2010.

Yoruba did not shy away from Biafra war out of cowardice, rather they thought the North is not that a big threat to embark on a war which is a sensible decision then even though it lacked foresight.

RoadStar:
Good observation and you might be right.
But what about Ojukwu who used the starving kids as propaganda.
Who never chased the diplomatic option even while these kids died.
Who used aid money from the international community to buy weapons.
Who took his people to war without weapons, resources or external diplomatic backing.
Who held on to power even after he was aware that the war effort has failed and then escaped at the last minute.(Even at the expense of more dying children)

Dont you think he too, might as well have pursued his own agenda at the expense of these kids ?

I weep for those women, men and children who lost their lives during the war.
But both Gowon, Awo and most of all, Ojukwu has blood on their hands.

Do you need more ?

aloy-emeka:
Where did I say the Yoruba race should apologize to the igbos?. Are they owing the Igbos or what?; Some of these Yorubas were born post Biafran era except tpia. . I said the Yoruba apologists and others who eulogize Awolowo should acknowledge his misgivings and stop using every possible argument to defend the devil's incarnate's action.

While Igbos who Idolize Ojukwu should also acknowledge his misgivings .

My happiness is that more and more people on both sides of the isle including notable Ndigbo sons and daughters are beginning to point out the numerous sins of this man Ojukwu.
You cannot point fingers to all guilty parties leaving out Ojukwu and then hoping for true reconciliation.
Ojukwu was the biggest villian in the civil war episode.
Half truth is not true !
Ndigbo have to start this true reconciliation from within before going outside.
Awo and Gowon is not a saint but Ojukwu has done the biggest harm to his people.
Now whether he hid this from genuine intentions does not eliminate the fact that he handled the whole issues preceding and during the war very poorly.

aloy-emeka:
Of course but my agro is more with Awolowo who unleashed his terror AFTER THE WAR. Not even the hausa Fulani who defeated the Igbo in the war was that mean.  To those that are asking the igbo to move on, I'll ask, who forgets who helped him during his bad times. Awolowo no only betrayed the Igbos but continued after the war by seizing their money so that the surviving children will die more from hunger. The only person in the whole of Africa that did something close was Idi amin. I am not really worried about Awolowo's action during the war because war has its consequences but After the WAR?.
[size=14pt]May his generation suffer the sins of their father.[/size]

You might be right as well !
But what he did after the war did not kill children !
Children suffered because of events during the war.
Fo now I will mot respond to his actions after the war because from your earlier post, you blamed him for the death of kids during the war .

aloy-emeka:
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Biafran war apart, I will never forgive any person who pursues his/her agenda at the expense of young children. The spirit of those igbo children who died in millions because Awolowo starved them will surely chase him to the bottomless abyss. Crime against children is no joke and when I see people try to justify his actions because he gave them free education using their money, I cry for Africa.[/size]

The evil committed by Awolowo and his cronies will never depart that land known as Nigeria. The evil that men do truly lives after them.

Good observation and you might be right.
But what about Ojukwu who used the starving kids as propaganda.
Who never chased the diplomatic option even while these kids died.
Who used aid money from the international community to buy weapons.
Who took his people to war without weapons, resources or external diplomatic backing.
Who held on to power even after he was aware that the war effort has failed and then escaped at the last minute.(Even at the expense of more dying children)

Dont you think he too, might as well have pursued his own agenda at the expense of these kids ?

I weep for those women, men and children who lost their lives during the war.
But both Gowon, Awo and most of all, Ojukwu has blood on their hands.

This post is not about Ironsi.
It is about Gowon goverment, Ndigbo and the civil war.

Gowon should've mentioned names. He should've let us know who he fought against.

OP
This your post shows that you are just trying to be mischievous and at the same time
Hiding behind a flimsy notion of security in Northern Nigeria.
I can see you've got nothing better to do !

I dont understand why a court would stop a house of assembly from investigating Fashola.
Naija sef !
What is he hiding (ie if he had gone to court himself)
Why shouldn't the house of assembly investigate anyone they so please to.
Is it not within their duties ?
Look at how some court judges mis-use their privileged after collecting bribe.

FASHOLA CAN AND SHOULD BE PROBED IF NEED BE !

McKren:
Appology from the Nigerian State is a good start. When white people appologise for their attrocities to black people you all celebrate it. This week the whole world is commemorating apatheid. Whites and blacks alike. Some time in April the story of Rwanda genocide will be told and present day Rwandans are reminded the ills of hatred and war.

But in our country we want to live in denial and think we will make progress and reconcile like that? Sorry that reconcilation will continue to elude us untill we acknowledge the truth.

And what is a good end.

Let us cut the story short.
The biafran war is an open wound.
We should work towards healing the wound.
What initial action do you Ndigbo advocate.

1. An apology from the Nigerian State ?
2. An Apology from all other ethnic groups ?
3. Allow Ndigbo to secede. (Along what boundaries thought) will it include Urobhos, Ijawa, Efiks etc and other southern minorities is likely not attainable.
4. Igbo president ?
5. Igbo should be allowed to murder other tribes as well.
6. Some compensation fee paid to Ndigbo. (who and who would get this money)

Instead of critics making all this noise what will be a starting way foward.
If you do not have any ideas on how the whole situation can be atoned can you let the issue lie.

metal-gong:
You are not alone in above highlighted lines. As time passes by, more of Ojukwu traducers will see reason to appreciate the past and present actions of the man.

Why din't he open his mouth when of Chris Uba were running the show.
He was silent throughout the saga !
Coward !

ndu_chucks:
Soludo should now have time to prepare for the criminal charges that will be filed against him shortly. He forgot to completely cleanup his mess at the CBN and his anticipated immunity as a governor will no longer be available. Its time to lawyer up, Mallam Soludo, or to escape to London.

I have a newfound respect for Ojukwu at this point. The man is indeed, Ndiigbo's Mandela. While I disagree with his civil war stance, the man is indeed a true Nigerian hero.

May EFCC arrest Soludo for stealing all Nigerias money while at CBN.
He is the Nigerias biggest theif, even bigger than IBB, Obasanjo ,Ibori ,Orji Uzor kalu and Igbenedion.

Thank God for Sanusi for Delivering our banking sector and economy as a whole from Soludo's ineptitude.
Now we are experiencing huge growth in both the banking sector and the economy like never before.

Nigerians are very lucky that the likes of Soludo did not make it into government .
By the special grace of God, Dora will never make it as well.

Our nation will be continiously blessed with the likes of Obj and Yar'adua in abundance.
Our Economy will grow and our banking/finacial sector will continue to wax stronger under Sanusi.

Obi will be the next Igbo president and will revolutionalise Nigeria the same way he's done for Anambra.
Then Nigerians will be sooooo happy to re-elect him.

All NLders should join me in saying a big AMEN!