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This writer is talking rubbish !
He completely neglected certain factors in play.
Like The Geopolitical structures at play.
Is he talking about the Igbos as an ethnic group or is he talking as Igbo as in South-East.
Which I think are not quite the same.

He talks of Lagos, Portharcourt and Abuja.
The question is this
Is the Ikwere(Potharcourt) ethnic group more different to the igbos more than
The Ekos, Ilajes, Awonris, Eguns etc who are indegeneous to lagos ?
eg https://www.nairaland.com/890572/makoko-not-repeat-not,a-yoruba
But while many will call lagos a Yoruba city the same will want to look at PH as a non Igbo city.

As far is the clueless writer is concerned, the hausa-fulani are doing well also because they got Abuja.
Not even aware that the indegenes of Abuja (the gwaris) are not even remotely related to the Hausa.

The writer even looked as Asaba as a non-Igbo city when comparing to Onitsha.
As far as i'm concerened, Igbo towns inclue
Enugu, Onitha, Nnewi, Aba, Owerri, Asaba and Portharcourt
Which in terms of total economy is comparable to that of any ethnic group in Nigeria period.

I am not into the game of comparing states but Anambra needs to live up to expectations.
A state that produces the highest calibre individuals in all walks of life is not being served well.
Stop lying 2 urseleves, I was in Anambra over the xmas period, apart from the well durable roads in the Idemili axis
which was done by the Ngige, the rest areas was full of bad/decayed infrastructure with poor quality work all over the place.

U need to have seen these roads in idemili b4 ngige. They were not even roads.
I believe Obi is the problem. This man lacks vision and is not fit 2 be a leader of any sort.
How can they vote in a mere visionless trader as governor.

This is why I believe that Rochas can deliver on his promises if he plans and executes well.

chino11: You are freaking a/s/s hole. What can you say about your bleeping talkative governor cocroach roachas? What has you governor done to bring your people out of the ever present poverty, that has led imo girls to sit tight on prostitution and harlotry. Why is it that the biggest employment in imo state is P.R.O.S.T.I.T.U.T.I.O.N.?

What then is your freaking governor doing about it. Last time he collected fraudulently 10k each from imo people for jobs, unseen, un-real jobs anyways. You should be more preoccupied with your sodom and gomorra imo state.

You can curse all you want but the truth is there to see.
Someone else has posted another fictitious link.
[size=16pt]Show us some real roads, schools hospitals, bus garages, foot bridges etc[/size]
All these constitute Organisation.

Let Anambrains say the truth, Obi is getting away with murder.
Nothing is functioning, all aspects of the civil service is in one form of strike or the other.
The few small projects he has executed are so poorly executed with inferior materials that u wanna cry !

This is a guy who believes that government is all about paid commercials and no spending while he banks the state funds in Fidelity Bank.
I will say it again [size=14pt]POST PICTURES[/size] of Onitsha, Nnewi or Awka Dont be Asahmed !

Abians have been critical of Orji from day one that you can see that the guys is getting affected by all the critics.
He is being forced to do some work
Anambra ought to take a cue from that.

I have always asked all those Obi apologists to post pics, just like the rest.
Instead they post commercials and sometimes links that dont work.

No telling that the Abia state government has been under pressure to perform and
is responding to that pressure but that of Anambra is getting away with murder.

It really cant get worst that Obi.
POST PICTURES OF OBIS ACHEVEMENTS PLEASE !

Good to see all this pics showing development in ph.
When I got 2 PH few months back for the first time.

I was so surprised. PH is an ugly city with a low development profile.
Loads of old houses, unplanned estates, filthy markets
and Gawd u need 2 see the ghettos.

The hotels cant be compared 2 those in Enugu and Asaba for eg
I think PH is over-hyped.

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~Bluetooth:
In a sensible clime,you should know about international law,relations and diplomacy and should understand some of the languages of diplomacy.Howver,this is Nigeria where anything can happen.Was it not the same country where an ambassador nominee couldnt recite the national anthemn during her screening in the senate ?

So u r saying I shud study international law and diplomacy.
Mr Bluetooth r u sure, how many of our diplomats actually have that.

So r u saying it is easier to be a cbn governor than to be a diplomat.

Hmmmm ! what qualification does one need 2 be an ambsador.
Like what course(s) do I need to study @ university.
Just curious, I am an aspiring ambassador.

PS. I don't mean like Islamic studies for CBN governor

Even though tragic, but that would be duly welcome.
The effects would be unpredictable and ground-breaking.

It might be a huge turning point in Nigerias history.
It might be a master-stroke or a shot in the foot.

Imagine setting off a bomb in Lagos Island, a market in Onitsha or Aba or somewhere in PH, Warri.

That would be interesting.
The sooner they do it the better.

chino11:
Ewu tell me one yooroba governor that is not thieving like there criminal cocain snuffer animal Tinubu, Awoalowoa and Fashola? Its envy of a successful governor that is kiiling you.

My guy have u been 2 Anambra of late ?
The only development u see is Obi's billboards and u call that quiet.

Everyone eulogizes Ojukwu now because they now see what Nigeria is all about.
What the Biafran war was really all about.

It had always been about a dynamic against a retrogressive ideology.
You can see shock in the face of Nigerians when they see their fellow citizens carrying out suicide bomb attacks.

With the leaders so scared to say what everyone is thinking, they wish they had another Ojukwu.
Yes I will say it again,
NIGERIA NEEDS A NEW OJUKWU !!!!

Sorry I won't use one word cause the guy has a combination of qualities.

Erratic
Principled/Ethical
Dangerous
Bigoted

Most importantly decimated a once vibrant banking sector.

It is one thing knowing the right thing to do.
Its another actually doing the right the.

Rochas in my own opinion has scaled the first huddle, give him time he not been in for up 2 a year.

You see this is what happens in Nigeria, whenever there is a general discussion on any topic, some will bring in tribal issues, no matter how irrelevant it is.
We are talking about the stupid half thought out comments of a CBN governor who got to the office due to the same ethno-tribal calculations, and how do we start,
By arguing over tribal regional superiority pre-independence.
You see why some of you can only be more stupid than you CBN governor ?

Jarus:
Now, I know where you are coming from.

First, you know little about SLS, as it has shown in the comment above.

Contrary to what you wrote, Sanusi has Msc Economics(ABU, 1983).

First of all, as much as I don't want to be a promoter of paper certificates, Sanusi DOES NOT have and Msc in Economics, he claims to have done a couple of courses pertaining to masters but was never awarded a degree, contrary to what many of his press campaigners claim. This clarification was made by Sanusi himself when the untrue statement was made on the BBC website and some Nigerians in London challenged it. BBC them selves had to retract the statement after making an apology.

Plus almost 2 decades experience in banking, including becoming CEO of a financial group as big as FBN, he is eminently qualified for the job, irrespective of other qualifications he privately decided to pursue. I know CB bosses that hold no degree in Economics. So I don't know why the roof must be brought down because he decided to acquire additional, private knowledge.

The position of the central bank governor is a position for an economist period.
U can fit square pegs in round hole but that doesnt make it right.
Else he will make a set of fundamental mistakes he seems to make from time to time.

Yes, a lot of northerners abuse their religion and culture to perpetrate bad acts, but to call for a sweeping discard of their culture and religion, is taking solution too far and feigning ignorance of cultural relativity. China and India have a number of 'wierd' cultures but that have never stopped their development.

I am not criticizing their religion and culture neither I'm I calling for sweeping changes, but like in most parts of southern Nigeria and in countries such as India and China as u mentioned, these cultures should not constitute a hindrance to progress and development. Period !

So I believe your blanket dismissal of their cultural and religious values as cause of their problem is uncharitable and only connotes absoltism, if not imposition. Their real culture/religion does not say women should not be empowered(current Education minister is a northern woman), that entrepreneurship should be discouraged( the biggest Nigerian entrepreneur today is a northerner).

By picking out a few success stories in the north, and then implying them as the typical northern character is regrettable. And you know it.
Using the image of a few to cover the realities of an overwhelming majority just for the sake of arguing your point is just desperate and I wont even engage you on this one.
When a Nigerian thinks of a Northerner he thinks of wealthy Alhajis and politicians, high ranking military officials and former head of states etc
You see this is the kind of attitude that has put the Northerner in his/her present precarious situation.

Education in the North is still abysmal.
Even worse among Northern women.
Underage marriage and child pregnancy etc is still very rife even amongst the elite.
Total Entrepreneurship and private sector participation in the North still lags the south by a distance.

I was in shock the other day when BBC and CNN were vitually telling the whole world that BH  will not affect Nigeria economy which was forecast to grow at bw 6-7  % this year ,as most of Nigeria's economy was almost all concentrated in the south.

The sooner people like yourself and SLS realise this, the sooner the north can begin on its route to recovery.

Jarus:
Good, you didnt go the way of littleminds to insinuate that because of that statement, SLS is a BH sponsor of supporter. People have mixed explaining something, even if far off, from justifying it.

Like I said, Sanusi is a CBN governor and Economist, speaking to an international media and looking at issue from purely economic perspective, and poverty falls from an economic realm.

Also, at least we have a common ground now that poverty fuels the violence.

That said, my defence of SLS is not because I agree that inequality is the primary cause of the BH mayhem, but because I think one, he mentions poverty too and that is logical; two, the criticism is overflogged and a lot of conclusions were drawn that are very uncharitable.

I never agreed that inequality in resource distribution is directly linkable to the crisis. This I mentioned, not only in earlier posts here, but also in my article I published, posted above. I said he wrongly assumed that if more funds are available to northern governments, it will trickle down to masses, and history has shown otherwise, as it will only fattens the pockets of their leaders.

Good at least for once we are getting there.
Nothing stops you from taking my position which is that, even though theres no evidence that Sanusi is Boko Haram, he has completely misrepresented the true situation with regards Northern poverty.

Sanusi will never admit this but the problem in the North today is cultural
As he is a product and has profited from the prevailing circumstance in the North.

Terrorism, Violence and Poverty are just but a few products of this Northern culture.

A culture that doesn't take Education seriously.
A culture that does not encourage entrepreneurship and competition. (With Sanusi even encouraging this with is Islamic Banking Obsession)
A culture that does the least to empower women, who by the way constitute half of a society's adult workforce.
A culture which imposes religion over other aspects of life, which is proving to be retrogressive.

Sanusis line of thought that Economics is just about money and the fact that Sanusi sees it so is just lame.
It further exposes his ineptitude an Economist.

Economics ecompasses Culture, Religion, behavioral, Monetary, Macro, Micro, Political, Education , The list goes on and on
http://econ.ucsb.edu/aeastp/pdf_files/fields.pdf

This is a man who is a product of this retrogressive culture.
Who ran a bank and Now the Nations central banker, having just a first degree in Economics and no other postgraduate qualification relating to finance or economics but preffered to go and do Islamic studies.

Only In Nigeria.
Just like in 1954, Southern Nigeria is ready to progress but the north is not.
And that is and has always been the problem.

@Jarus, I cannot understand why u keep hiding behind pres. Clintons comments.
Bill Clinton like SLS might be right on the fact that poverty is fueling the violence in the north. We all know that.

But bill clinton never insinuated that the poverty was caused by unequal revenue allocation/resource sharing. (That is were I and most Nigerians have issues with Sanusis comments)

Many commentators over the years have highlighted that the major cause of poverty in the north and widening inequality when compared to their southern counterparts is the high level of illiteracy in the north. A man/woman who cannot read/write will not be able to do a lot.
Soludo had asserted to the fact in a speech he gave in kaduna while he was CBN governor.
Where he wondered how one state in the SE (Imo state) can produce more JAMB applicants (Pupils willing to go to University) than the 16 states in highly populated North.
Soludo even in that speech compared the poverty rate in Northern states to that in the SE (which is on even less allocation compared to the north) and which was faring far better on a per capita level.

In that speech Soludo berated Nothern governments for their lack of a proper policy on education
He also scolded  Northern elites for showing little interest to invest in their local economies.
All this he did knowing fully well that he could face a backlash for those comments. He ended up paying the price.
But the truth has to be said.

For SLS to turn a blind eye to the very obvious fact and allude that the poverty in the north was caused by 13% to oil producing states is a travesty of the highest order.
It is mischievousness deceitful and lacks intellectual content.

I never said that Sanusi is BH, and stop picking issues on things like whether he meant Christian south or not, all I am saying that his comments are very misleading,irresponsible, simplistic and unbecoming of the cbn governor.

You musn't back the guy all the way, he has done some good deeds but in this one, he is doing a disservice to both Nigeria and the Northern Nigeria.

Jarus:
Has anybodt said it is an excuse? SLS never gave it as excuse or justification, neither did Clinton.
Explaining something is not giving excuse for it.
By the way, I don't hold that opinion, mind you.

sheyguy:
Post no. 19 does not give any interpretation to the quote highlighted within it.

One of the major drivers in this discussion is the fact that Sanusi had linked Terrosim by BH to poverty in the North and has as well linked Poverty in the North to wealth distribution/ even going a long way to imply unfavourable revenue sharing to the Christian south which has impoverished the north. Thereby creating an indirect link between Revenue sharing and terrorism.

Sanusi has mischievously attempted to paint a very innacurate picture puting all the southern states in one basket in the eyes of foreign media, knowing fully well that a majority of southern states are not oil producing and hence do not benefit from oil derivation.

Whether u want to call it an explanation, excuse or whatever, how can you explain the fact that other regions like the SE which have historically been allocated less that the north and is still being allocated less till date has not resorted to terrorism.
How can he explain that the same SE has a far less poverty incidence that all northern states.

How has he not seen any links between the very appalling standard of education in the North even by Nigerias standards having something to do with poverty.
Everyone elsewhere in the world knows that there is a direct link between education and wealth creation except that Sanusi cannot see this very obvious link.

Saying that Sanusi position is not yours is not enough, which takes me to my last question
ARE YOU WITH SLS ON THIS ONE OR NOT ? Please no verbosity !

@Jarus can you please go throught the original report from and interview granted by Sanusi and tell me your own interpretation.

Nigerian central banker calls for end to imbalances

Attempts to redress historic grievances in Nigeria’s oil-rich south may inadvertently have helped create the conditions for the Islamic insurgency spreading from the impoverished north-east of the country, says Lamido Sanusi, Nigeria’s central bank governor.
In the past year, the Boko Haram sect has been responsible for proliferating attacks on churches, police stations and other state targets. Last week, it claimed responsibility for multiple bomb blasts which claimed nearly 200 lives in t e northern city of Kano. The size and sophistication of the attacks underlined fears that the conflict is spiralling out of control.

“There is clearly a direct link between the very uneven nature of distribution of resources and the rising level of violence,” Mr Sanusi told the Financial Times in an interview, arguing that it was now necessary to focus funds on regenerating other regions if Nigeria wants to secure long-term stability.
Oil-producing areas in the predominantly Christian south benefit from 13 per cent of the revenues generated from oil in their area, on top of the federal allocations they and other states receive. As world oil prices have risen over the past decade, this has led to a widening gulf in income between oil-producing states and those without oil. The commercial capital Lagos, which raises 75 per cent of its own revenue from taxes, is the exception.
This formula was introduced after the military relinquished power in 1999 among a series of measures aimed at redressing historic grievances among those living closest to the oil and quelling a conflict that was jeopardising output.
But by seeking to address one problem, Nigeria may have created another, weakening other states in the federation and fostering resentment in the poorest region which has spawned the Boko Haram sect.
[b]“When you look at the figures and look at the size of the population in the north you can see there is a structural imbalance of enormous proportions,” Mr Sanusi said. “Those states simply do not have enough money to meet basic needs while some states have too much money.”
According to official figures, the leading oil producing state, Rivers, received N1,053bn between 1999 and 2008 in federal allocations. By contrast the north-eastern states of Yobe and Borno, where the Boko Haram sect was created, received N175bn and N213bn respectively. Broken down on a per capita basis, the contrast is even starker. In 2008 the 18.97m people who lived in the six states in the north-east received on average N1,156 per person.
By contrast Rivers state was allocated N3,965 per capita, and on average the oil producing South- South region received on average N3,332 per capita.
This imbalance is compounded when the cost of an amnesty programme for militants in the delta is included together with an additional 1 per cent for a special development body for the Niger delta. To boot, the theft of oil by profiteers in the region diverts tens of millions more weekly from federal coffers.
The imbalance is so stark, he added, because the state still depends on oil for more than 80 per cent of its revenues. Nigeria has made little headway raising taxes for example from agriculture, which accounts for 42 per cent of GDP.[/b]
Inhabitants of the delta tend to have little sympathy with complaints about the revenue formula, given that Nigeria was ruled and at times plundered for much of the four decades after independence by northern leaders. Indeed, state governors from the region are now lobbying for an even greater share of oil revenues – in some cases they believe it should be as high as 50 per cent.
Northern Nigeria’s economy has traditionally depended on the government more than the south. Many of the industries set up as part of earlier efforts to promote national balance have gone bust or been sold off during a decade of liberal market reforms, power shortages and infrastructure collapse.
The north’s inhabitants, although more numerous, are also among the poorest in Africa, and therefore represent a less attractive market for the banks, telecoms and retail companies booming in pockets of comparative affluence in Nigeria’s south. “We now need some sort of Marshall plan for these areas so we can begin to regenerate industrialisation,” Mr Sanusi argued.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/02ce9e7e-4837-11e1-b1b4-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1mba8xbOH

Jarus:
Sorry, some of us are jobless too.

Bill Clinton has same thing thing. Reuters' analysts and reporters have written same thing. Hell was not let loose. SLS offered same view, roof is being brought down.
If you don't agree with them, present your arguments, not labeling(Sanusi only, pitiably) supporter of BH.
My own view: while religious fundamentalism by a few extremists cannot be wished away as a root cause, the rising poverty in the region fueled it by providing, for free, an army of illiterate, vulnerable, easily brainwashable youth for the violence. You can't fault that!

It is shocking that you and Sanusi see incidence of poverty in the north as being caused by lack of extra funds from the government. Apart from the ND, the revenue allocation to the North is comparable to that of the SW, SE, and middle belt , in most cases even higher. see thread being discussed right now on NL https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-872313.0.html.

U can see that among the top 18 states 8 are from the north While ONLY 1 is from the SE.
Are you trying to say that it would be understandable if the SE should resort to terrorism ?

It is disgusting that Sanusi compares the North to ND and omits comparison to the SE which by the way is the region with one of the lowest federal allocation and still with the lowest poverty rates in Nigeria.

That the Oil producing states are given part of their god given wealth is seen as abnormal and unjust.

Soludo pointed out in a speach in Kaduna (High poverty is northern phenomenon) cited that a failure in leadership and a complete neglect of Education in the North as being the root cause of poverty in the north.This statement from Soludo was highly detested by northern leadership .

Imo state produces more JAMB applicants than the whole 16 northern states put together, in ur own opinion isn't education big enough to impact the poverty level in those regions ?

You are partly right , poverty breeds not only terrorism but all sorts of vices including armed robbery and prostitution. Are you saying that they too be excused ?

This excuse by the likes of your obviously learned self and Sanusi is sad .
I weep for Nigeria.

“There is clearly a direct link between the very uneven nature of distribution of resources and the rising level of violence,” Mr. Sanusi told the Financial Times in an interview, arguing that it was now necessary to focus funds on regenerating other regions if Nigeria wants to secure long-term stability.

@Jarus, some of us have jobs and in my own time I will go through all your write-ups but one small favour, in your words and interpretation, did Sanusi make the above comments in an interview with FT and if he did what is your own interpretation of the statement ?

If Soludo was a thief and Sanusi has not exposed him or at least reported his nefarious activities during his tenure,
The Sanusi is also an accomplice.
You cannot say that Soludo is being protected by the government of the day.

There was a Financial crisis of global proportions and it played out in the Nigerian banking sector,
Soludo approached the issue by bailing out the affected banks through an EDW (lendin capital)
Sanusi Nationalised the banks and dented business confidence.
Now he is struggling to sell the banks and turn them profitable.

More than 1 trillion Naira is at stake here and some of u have the guts to call Sanusis name.
Nigeria is a country where gross incompetence is easily rewarded.

In my own opinion Sanusi might have done everything else right except he has depressed the Nigerian Banking sector
A huge contributor of employment, capital and investment during Soludo's era.
He still has nothing to show for the trillions he spent in nationalising these banks which has not succeeded in turning around the banks fortunes.
But we are still waiting.

And @Jarus i'm bit worried when ur CBN governor goes on international media to blame oil allocation to oil producing states for rise in terrorism

nagoma:
@9ja voice
I am surprised you called this an evil intention! I am not surprised you avoided mentioning all the previous "social responsibility donations" by CBN in Soludo 's time including the ones to EFCC and to senate committee on banks and of course to universities in the south. As to departure of your people from kano, I have no objection. After all they came out of choice and they can go anytime they want , except they are actually saying they have no future in the east ;

economicconfidential.net/news/national-news/910-Igbo-businessmen refuse to relocate.

Let me tell you my opinion. I want to see a divided Nigeria . No need for SNC , the president GEJ will have some relevance and my respect if he has the courage to constitute a committee to demarcate boarders and fix a date of separation. We have had enough of each other.

It's amazing how your Boko Haram brothers have not included the division of Nigeria in their demands.
I wish BH, Arewa and co can come out and say it emphatically just as u have.
The Igbos have never minced words on their position.

I knew one day Sanusi was gonna make you lot miss Soludo so badly.
The banking sector and the stock market have remained for a while at 10 year lows.
Even against the backdrop of a growing economy.

@KoboJunkie, don't hide behind the many posts on this thread.
You were one of those easily swayed by and supported Sanusi as CBN Governor.

Amazing we haven't heard from @jarus

But this is all rumour, no one will change the name of UNN.
This is all defensive posturing.
If they wanted to, they would've done that after the war.

How can u change the name of a University and rename another after the the same UNI can u imagine the confusion ?
Even some still refer to OAU as University of Ife can u imagine the confusion if another UNI was named University of Ife ?

Plus UNN ecompasses the principles of Zik who wanted a university with a National profile unlike Awo and ABU who were regional players.
Definitely not at a time when the president himself is an immortalisation of Zik through his name.
He would definitely oppose it.

With leaders and founding fathers like Saruduna
I consider them to be doing very well.

alj_harem:
silly woman

People do need to grow up. even at her age, she is talking of igbo, yoruba northerners

SMH

As odd as it may seem it is nothing compared to Saruduna (Ahmadu Bellos) open bigotry on video.
This is one of the guys on whose ideology this nation was built.
Tufiakwa !

lagcity:
i think it is becos Igbos don't know how to be successful and modest. i have come to understand that Igbos aren't trying to be rude when loud, they just don't know any other way.

The guy claimed domination of the civil service.
why are u trying to make excuses for the guy ?

One of Nigerias founding fathers,  
I am sure Awo would never make such statements.
but who knows what he thought.
And who knows what other non-igbos think

The guys had an inner hate for Igbos.
Igbos were the only ones he refered to by Name.
The rest of Nigeria he refered to by their regions.
He did not say Hausa, Yoruba, Fulani.
When he said "other Nigerians", I understood that to mean "non-Igbo"

That this is coming to light at Ojukwus death
And I was one of those who criticized Ojukwu

And to know that Ahmadu Bello is a Hero and role model to Millions of Nigerians
Igbos are really in trouble.
Na everyday my eyes dey open  

Na wa o ! Igbos don really suffer for long time.

Being a Nigerian, the predicament of Igbos have made me understand that of the Jews
And that of the Jews have made me understand that of the Igbos.

I can now see why a lot of Igbos try to draw a common ancestry with Jews.
There seems to be an inate fear, hatred, suspicion, loath, envy , just like Jews from their neighbours.

But why ?