₦airaland Forum

alj_harem:
ok yes there are yorubas that hate awolowo just like there are northerners that hate bello and igbos not even easterners that hate both ojukwu and nnamdi
secondly if mid-west hate awolowo but still join afenifere an awoist party formed by awolowo by the itsekiri

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/yoruba-itsekiri-to-strengthen-ties/

They had a meeting with Afenifere now means that the joine Afenifere.
Make them try am. Warri go shake !

thirdly edo people or bini are also in awoist party

Sorry mate they just voted Oshiomole, the same way Anambra voted Ngige.
It doesnt mean the are Awoist.
Even Tinubu is not an Awoist he has always distanced himself from Afenifere.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/n-delta-afenifere-cautions-against-military-assistance/

also have u heard of ACN which it is regional party which EDO is part of

lastly, as i said [b]Niger delta people hate both yorubas and igbo but they hate igbos more [/b]and the yoruba just because of awolowo

so what are you talking about

I would advice you to stop

notice i bring out facts

Two things.

U are mixing up things , Niger Delta might hate Ojukwu but the love Zik, including GEJ parents.
Igbos are the second largest ethnic group in Niger Delta after Ijaw.

Olodo  

alj_harem:
ok let me start by saying edwin clark said he hate your whole ethnic group. do some google search

next tinubu did not insult his family but call for them to stop being involved in politics

also this are how niger delta people feel about your people not just nnamdi

http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/barticles/betrayal_or_water_power.htm

http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/iarticles/igbo.htm

and a lot more

if u don't know edwin clark even praise awolowo

http://newsdiaryonline.com/awo_birthday.htm

tell me about nnamdi

murtala muhammed the most respect nigeria died his car is used as a museum unlike nnamdi that people sh.it there. or am i lying

Dude your posts are empty and dont say anything u claimed.
You keep on shifting the goalpost and being posting verbose write-ups.
Stay in a place so that I can take aim.

Dude there are even yorubas who hate Awo, he has always struggled for power even within his own yoruba clan.
Even the likes of Ladoke Akintola, Tinubu, OBJ and Abiola have absolutely no respect for him.

The minorities my midwest part of the country detested the guy.
Zik pulled the strings and gave them their own region releiving them from the west.
Till date the activity of Awo is causing problems in warri amongst ethnic groups that have always live peacefully.
And then came Asari Dokubo right there on yoruba soil.

And your here making frivulous claims. RUBBISH !

alj_harem:
have i not showen awolowo and ehanero did the same

So asides Nelson Mandela there was no co freedom fighters in South Africa ?
But mr Mandela was the foremost freedom fighter, the symbol of their entire struggle.
It was so befitting that he was the first black SA president.
Just like Zik.

^^^^^^
I'll rather they spend the money for beautifying graves on people alive.
What is the use spending all that money on a rotten box of bones.

All that has not stopped Tinubu from openly Insulting his family !
And Asari Dokubo calling him a "Devil".

As I have always said , U just keep on deceiving urselves.

Eko Ile:
[s]And talking about journalism in Nigeria-


The first indigenous language newspaper in the Africa was Iwe Irohin Fun Awon Ara Egba created back in 1859

Eko Akete followed in 1922

Hausa people founded Gaskiya in 1939


Take your place at the back of the bus, other people led and paved the way before you sabi read newspaper sef.[/s]

All Rubbish and irrelevant to the argument  

Eko Ile:
[s]1. The origins of the University of Ibadan are in Yaba College, founded in 1932.[/s]

True but Irrelevant

[s]2. Yaba college was the first tertiary educational institute in Nigeria, not any where on the other side of the Niger[/s]

True but Irrelevant

[s]3. Yaba College was transferred to Ibadan, becoming the University College of Ibadan, in 1948[/s]

True but Irrelevant

[s]4. The University of Ibadan was founded on its own site on 17 November 1948[/s]

True but Irrelevant

5. It was tagged college because of it's foreign affiliation, since the UK an the US refer to their universities as colleges.

LIE !
It was an external affiliate college of the University of London. And hence granted certificates and degrees on behalf on University of London.

[s]6. Some of the original buildings were designed by the English modernist architects Maxwell Fry and Jane Drew
7. A 500-bed teaching hospital was added in 1957. The University of Ibadan became an independent university in 1962.[/s]

True but Irrelevand



Though this is a silly conversation, since it's always silly season on NL, let me tell you the bitter truth.


The west/Yoruba people started receiving quality and superior education 28 years before UNN and the university of Ibadan itself remains the premier University in Nigeria.

[s]OAU is at number 2 while your UNN is at number 10

Even Lagos state university is rated higher that your UNN

5 out of the top 10 universities in Nigeria are all in Yorubaland and the best is Uni Ilorin.

UN is gathering dust at number 10, way behind nearly everything in Yoruba land.

Like said, you people are full of shallow sentiments with zero substance.[/s]

All irrelevant to the argument !
Remember the discussion is what Zik achieved and not all this rubbish you're posting.
The discussion is not on tribal superiority. (of which I am not interested.)If u want that discussion open a new topic.
Also bear in mind that Awo had nothing to do with the creation of Yaba collage or UI.

alj_harem:
1.) first indigenous university is a glorifed way of saying it is not the first univeristy o but the first made by nigerian . c'mon is it the first university or not Yes or NO and the answer is NO

Dude stop being desperate and making innacurate statements and then misquoting comments. Ur beginning to look sorry  
As at the time UNN was created in 1960 UI was still a college of the University of London. UI became an independent university in 1962. (I havent found any reference to Awo involved with the creation of UI) as all u Awo trumpet blowers wanna make us believe.
ABU was also founded in 1962.

2.)  http://nigerianwiki.com/wiki/African_Continental_Bank

as you urself can see he was just a stakeholder and not the owner or the person that started the bank.

Nnamdi Azikiwe, an eminent Nigerian journalist acquired a small property bank named Tinubu Properties for 500 naira or 250 pounds. Azikiwe was a shareholder of the National Bank of Nigeria before the purchase and had entered the banking industry partly to shore up the financial foundation of his newspaper group and also to help the credit problems of indigenous businessmen. In 1946, the bank became known as Tinubu Bank and a year later it came to bore the name African Continental Bank. By 1949, the bank had a nominal capital of about 250,000 pounds controlled by the founder, Azikiwe, it was affiliated with the Zik group and was one in twelve out of the group's subsidiaries. Apart from marketing itsself to indigenous businessmen it also financed some business activities in the Zik group. During the 1940s, the bank played in role in extending credit activities to the group.

During the mid 1950s, with the founder already foremost nationalist, the bank became mixed in politics and business. The bank was helped financially by the Eastern regional government leading to an investigation into improper conducts by the bank's founder, Azikiwe who was then premier of the region

3. His newspaper fought for imperislism   how many newspapers do that daily. People like Martins die for this and not just newspaper

So he has to die first before u agree he accomplished anything.

4. comical first cartoon in newspaper

The newspaper was also a training ground for notable writers including [b]Anthony Enahoro and Akinola Lasekan, the latter was the first to use pictorial cartoons for political satire in the pages of a Nigerian newspaper.[/b]
This was just side talk and I never highlighted it as an accomplishment.
I'm sure it would have been an accomplisment if it was Awo.

5. counter ethopia when nigeria is still under the british rule

He attacked imperialism everywhere existed including Nigeria and as a Pan african anti- imperialist I dont see anything wrong with that.

6. is even dele momodu not doing the same

Ofcourse he does but he was one of the VERY few voices as at the time and as u must have read the most well known.

I can see u are getting desperate. I am no more interested in all this gibberish.
U can continue to wallow in your ignorance

RoadStar:
He was undisputedly at the forefront of the fight for Nigeria independence.

Can you please re-read the emboldened.

Zik made material acheivements as well
1. UNN (The first Nigerian Indegeneous University )
2. African Contenental Bank etc

But looking at Zik in this light of material chivements is belittling the man.

The West African Pilot was a Nigerian newspaper published in Lagos and was established on November 22, 1937 by Nnamdi Azikiwe. It became the leading newspaper in West Africa in the 1940's and 1950s. The paper was also a leading light in the movement for independence and bringing to fore the untold stories of colonialism. It gained tremendous traction for its anti-imperialist sentiments, especially after its proscription in the 1940s, for the editorial support it gave striking Nigerian workers.

Owned by the Zik Press, the paper became one of the most successful indigenous press ventures of its time. It was also a training ground for notable writers including Anthony Enahoro and Akinola Lasekan, the latter was the first to use pictorial cartoons for political satire in the pages of a Nigerian newspaper. The paper also set out to carry in its pages pictures of cabinet officials mixed with that of traders, clerks and sportsmen. An important feature was also the promotion of the human interest angle in its news delivery especially those containing its trademark one sentence paragraphs with verbs.
[edit] History

Prior to establishing the Pilot, Azikiwe was editor of the African Morning Post in 1935, a year after the Italian invasion of Ethiopia. Azikiwe used the Post to criticize the move and also imperialism in general and gradually the readership of the Morning Post rose. However, he left the Post in 1937 and returned to his native country of Nigeria. He then launched the West African Pilot which emerged as a professionally run paper and was able to attract civil servants, mercantile clerks and teachers to its fold. The paper also captivated the attention of the youths in the country.

Azikiwe made sure the paper caught the attention of citizens outside the city of Lagos and by 1950, it reached a subscriber crescendo of 50,000. T[b]he paper depended on circulation for operating expenses[/b] and profit unlike many others who were dependent on advertising from the colonial government and multinational firms.

U can now understand why the guy was known even outside Nigeria , hence the name Zik of Africa.
I cant even start to produce accounts of the colonials on Zik.
Go to google and educate urself.

alj_harem:
Ok i understand your point but that is the problem with nigeria

why should we call him a name that was rallied on by some people on us

Nnamdi was a ceremonal president after locking awolowo up in calabar.

so why should we allow sure doctrine to continue in nigeria

He was undisputedly at the forefront of the fight for Nigeria independence.
But I guess that that is no more felt today.
And I know u would say it is not substantial.

Go and tell Black Americans that Martin Luther King did not acheive anything felt by them today.
Or that Nelson Madela achieved nothing because the white south Africans built all the infrastructure and systems in South Africa till date.
Since they did not build a university, stadium or TV station.

Can you now see how shallow ur thinking is ?

EzeUche:
Dr. Michael Okpara was truly a great man. I have some old pictures of him with my grandfather, when he was in Enugu. That man did a lot for the East regardless of tribe.

It should be the likes Micheal Okpara who should be compared to Awo and not Zik.

As long as this nation remains.
Zik will continue to be an National Symbols above his contemporaries.
Grave or no grave.

Until such a time ahen this Nation disintergartes into regional elements,
The likes of Awo, Ojukwu, Ahmadu Bello etc will continue to live in his shadows.

The across the board contempt for the guy goes to show the why the nation is a failure.

alj_harem:
so because he was the first president, first governor general and some cooked up crap called Zikism which see politics as a religion for HIS black people makes him the zik of whatever.

Nnamdi azikwe name is not just used by him, a lot of people are named Bello in the north and awolowo in the west and indeed in the mid-west of itsekiri. your argument is flawed . In sapele today delta state(itsekiri land) there is a street called Awolowo Road Ext Sapele, Delta State. so is delta not mid-west again ?


Zik has to be immortalised so we would not here you people calling that SE are marginalised [/b]or u want to bring Ojukwu as a national hero. [b]lets say it is a way of letting the sleeping dog lay

who ever said the world is yorubaland. are u reasoning at all ?. we asked a question WHAT DID AZIKIWE ACHIEVE and next you people are bring yoruba and awolowo to this

guys learn to answer questions and stop showing emotional underlining in your post and inferiority complex each time questions are been asked which leaves bad taste on u all's mouths.

So GEJ an Ijaw man was given an Ibo name which has nothing to do with Zik 

Awo came into this because some people compared Ziks resting place to that of Awo.

No one will bring Ojukwu as a National hero because he simply has no relevance in any were outside iboland.
Same applies to Awo, even though Awo might have achieved a lot in western Nigeria.
He simply is not a national figure.
OBJ is more of a National figure than Awo.

One guy said on the thread that Zik is the most immortalized because he is almost irrelevant.  And Nigeria has some sort of inexplainable compulsion to immortalise him
U are now saying it was done to appease Ibos 

The above comments sound desperate to say the least.
Keep on deceiving yourselves.

lagcity:
the only reason anyone mentions Zik today is because he was Nigeria's first "president." that will forever be in the history books even though the position was ceremonial. If we don't name Airport after him, ppl might forget the poor guy. Unlike Awo and Bello whose names live in the people hearts.

He was not only Nigerias first president he was Nigerias first indigenous Governor General (A fact which is not well mentioned).
And he is the proprietor of the neo-black african political phylosophy known as Zikism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zikism)

Dude your presido was named after the guy by his parents and you say he doesn't live in peoples hearts.
All the Military presidents including IBB and Abacha have taken turns to immortalised the guy (Unizik and Zik Airport) even though they are not even Ibo and u say he doesnt live in peoples hearts.

Dude I grew up in Benin-City which used to be part of the old western region, not even a single pathwalk was named after Awo, Awos name is so distant to them.

My guy wake up, the world is not Yorubaland.

Ade1966:
The worst performance of Fashola is better than the best of any PDP Governors.

And y do u think so.
Amaechi, Chime and Donal duke r PDP governors, remember.

Eko Ile:
Your point wit this mindless and ignorant rubbish is?

Beautifing graves and creating statues of dead people is not as big a deal to everyone as ur making it to be.
Just think about it  

Eko Ile:
You really don't have to let us know that as usual, ibo people just like zik are incompetent, they lack the vision and foresight to honor the man they have no love for, as usual they need the federal government to shoulder their responsibilities. A philosophy of dereliction, failure, lack self worth and belonging.
What's next? You need the federal government to tie your shoes?

One single governor Fashola did for Awolowo what the whole of iboland couldn't do for zik in less than a year, now you even have to sit on your hands while waiting for another incompetent people aka the federal government to do your job for you and they've been at it since 1996.

Do you really need 15 years to build a freeking grave site?

Thank God we don't have to beg and crawl on our knees for help to honor our heroes. Shameless people joyous over failure and collective incompetency.

I don't see the sense in ur argument. The last time I checked, Zik was the most immortalised Nigerian dead or alive, North, South, East or West .
Even ur present president is a living immortalisation of Zik.
You want a shrine so that people can come and worship him ?
Last time I checked Ibos were predominantly Christians and are not really into idolatory.
Even Hausas who are predominantly muslim will never create a statue of ahmadu bello or even mark his grave.

But Yorubas are culturally into this sort of activity.
Oduduwa, Sango et al have shrines with people coming to worship and carry our sacrifices.
I think Awo is now getting to that level.

edoyad:
Dude why are you exposing yourself like this ? Who are the people going to school to become to become doctors, nurses and qualified professionals ? You refuse your children education and expect them to miraculously  turn out to be an employed professionals in the future ? Please tell me what you've been sniffing .

Dude you hit the nail on the head with this one 

Rather than face up to issues such as our monetary and fiscal policies.
External reserve management, credit ratings and credit lines,
Currency evaluation, Interest rates etc

We are busy talking about Islamic Banking, Cash limit, Building Hotels, Selling banks

Even during the recession the Naira was never so low courtesy of Soludo's strong Macro-Economic credentials.

What can I say,

U ALL ASKED FOR IT.
ENJOY AS IT UNFOLDS.

adejoro75:
Op:
You must include Zik on your list of those that lacked foresighted of how Nigeria will turn out 50 years after.

Ojukwu is blameless in that regard
He tried his best to liberate his people from the shackles of one Nigeria
For that, even Zik hated him and worked against him.

This is exactly why this topic has exploded.

1) The absence of Zik name amongst the listed culprits leaving him with an unscathed image while mud is being thrown the way of Awo.
2) The tacit attempt by the OP to vindicate Ojukwu while Indicting Awo.
3) Why is no one defending Gowon (Afterall he was in the same government in which Awo served as Finance minister)

I still dey laugh o !

jason123:
@ OP
If we follow history, I think you are blaming the wrong people. I blame Azikwe. Why? Because the so called Awolowo NEVER wanted the North to be part of the union but Azikwe wanted them to be. Even the North [b]NEVER wanted this union but Azikwe did.[/b]
You cannot just go to the Coup and the war without going through the events that lead to the coup, war and today's situation. What you did lacks objectivity.
Even Awolowo warned Ojukwu and told him to present his delegates and the West will support him but Ojukwu was arrogant and dismissed it. Even the so called Biafra failed, not because of Awolowo but because of its disregard for the minorities in the Eastern region and the invasion of the MW. The so called Starvation could not have been done by Awolowo as some people want us to believe. It was done by the Eastern minorities who where coastal.

Ojukwu never tried negotiating with his neighbours. He simply invaded and killed all oppositions. He NEVER for ONCE, tried to negotiate with the MW and the West. He simply brought Banjo to invade them. Note: NO NEGOTIATION!!!

The people you blamed NEVER wanted Nigeria. But since it was formed and they (North) saw the benefits, they now want Nigeria by force. As for Awolowo, he simply did what was best for his people, after all, "Nigeria is a mere geographical expression".

I think think the title of this thread should be "Its all Ziks Fault !"

I for one think that the British wanted the union and Zik was more or less pushing the British interest. Afterall he was a Governor General for the colonial government as at the time so he was representing the position of the British.
And as at the time, I doubt if any Nigerian had the power to change that.
Remember u were offered independence under the british discretion and u this not win independence as u would be made to believe.

We could as well blame Lord Lugard for all I care.

But at least Zik was ideologically one Nigeria from the onset.
But your men Awo and Ojukwu shifted positions when it suited them.

~Bluetooth:
I asked you a simple question and I demand an answer instead of trying to mix up issues.Why did Zik align with Tafawa Balewa,a grand ancestor of boko haram instead of Awo,his fellow southerner ?

I think you are getting carried away with the same old Zik/Awo superiority argument.
If u read my thread I have never in no way tried to defend Zik/Gowon or Ojukwu.

If you have issues as to why Zik was not mentioned,
I think you should direct that to the OP.

I am only stating that your defence of Awo is baseless as he is as guilty as any other politician of his time and even now.

~Bluetooth:
Not really. . .Awo saw what Zik couldn't see,pleaded with him in order to form a united south against the North but Zik thought otherwise.What I know is that on Boko haramism in Nigeria,Awo cannot be blamed for it !

It seems u are a gullible person. Have u heard of the word posturing ?
These politicians take sides and position based on the potential gains at the point in time.

Did u know that Awo eventually formed an alliance with Zik ? When his breakaway faction NNDP went into alliance with NPC ?
Did U know that both Zik and Awo at various points of the Era had supported coups with Awo tried and imprisoned and eventually serving under Gowon ?
Did you know that Ojukwus main motivation for the war was to be head of state of Biafra ?

All I am saying is no one is more guilty and no one is more absolved in this whole sh.it

~Bluetooth:
Where were you when Zik decide to form alliance with the boko harams when he could have done so with Action group ? Seems he wanted to dominate the boko harams who are mostly educated in islamic education !

Exactly, No politician is foresighted or short sighted, They are all self centered, harlots.
It just irks me when I see ordinary people trying to defend them.

0lumide:
Oh please!! The same Awolowo that was tried for treason and described Nigeria as a mere geographic expression is now to be blamed for Nigeria init? Same Ojukwu that came back for pension init?

Point your tribalist fingers at your folks dummy!!!

Did Awolowo lead Nigeria? silly Cunnt,

The same Awo that aligned himself with the geographical expression and served under a military junta as soon as he came out of prison.
I don't think Awo for one lacked foresight, I think like most politicians today, he was self centered and lacked a clear political ideology.

Same can be said of Ojukwu, came back from exile and aligned with the same people he seemingly so despised.

The Issue of Lagos flooding has been around for as far as I can remember.
I think it should be made a Fed issue.

For all those rushing to lekki, God save y'all.

2bosun:
Olusegun Aganga, Nigeria’s former finance minister, took up a new position today as trade and investment minister in President Goodluck Jonathan’s Cabinet, the ministry said in an e-mailed statement.
Aganga’s job at the new ministry is to attract private investment to help grow the economy of Africa’s most populous country of more than 150 million people, according to the statement.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-11/nigerian-president-jonathan-makes-aganga-trade-and-investment-minister.html

I'm betting on him to flop again. I have no faith in this fellow, he made some schoolboy errors on his last appointment. Well, you would not expect much more from someone with a degree in Biological Sciences and Theology.

Are u sure of the highlighted ? If so please supply some proof.
First of all it was Sanusi with only a BSc in econs
and now this guy
Even the military governments did better than this.

@OP
BTW SLS does not have an MSC
Can we please be clear on that ?

But I still think he is smart.
I just think that from his actions and exposure he is not conversant with modern banking and Macro economic systems.

To be honest , I have no interest in islamic or pagan banking or what ever.
But I only hope there is equality in the waythe cbn treats islamic banking.

For example are the said banks allowed to borrow on interest from cbn?
If they do then they are contradictory.

If they borrow without interest then I would not blame peeps who cry foul .

jay bee:
Use your God given brain my friend.
Nigeria bank stocks are generally over-valued with little or No assets to write home about evidenced by the Madam Oceanic bank using the banks money to buy assets in her own name then loaning them back to the back.

Have you actually ever thought if the current value is actually the right value of the stocks or your ignorance is not going to allow you do basic stock valuation
SMH

And ur stock valuation using ur God given brain told you that Facebook has assets worth $50 billion
Or that apple is now 3 times worth what it was 3 years ago.
Or that the asset value of the american economy fell 100 % in 6 months of the recession and has since doubled after then as reflceted by the S&P index.

Stocks a valuated mostly by the magic word CONFIDENCE in a company or economy!
Of which sanusi so far has had a negative effect .

May ur God given brain do wonders for u.

Jarus:
This man is not infallible, but the earlier we expunge the belief that he is a mediocre because he has no Harvard degree, the better. I'll continue to promote my role model.

http://www.proshareng.com/articles/2264

That's an attendee's account.
My man was the only speaker to receive standing ovation in a 4-day global conference of of international finance experts.

Yet some people will come here to dismiss this as 'wetin Sudan-trained aboki sabi?'

Let them not stop by giving him standing ovation, let them (international finance experts) respond by buying Nigerian stocks especially that of Nigerian Banks.
I'm sure i'm not asking for too much as they had been heavily invested in Nigerian stocks not too long ago.
Why has Global equities mostly recovered and that of Nigeria(Dominated by banking Stocks) still massively depressed ?
Why do they give him standing ovation whenever he speaks and then offload Nigerian banking shares.

Some of u really think Nigerians are stupid.
RUBBISH !!!

I will still not want to believe that there's ethnicity entrenched in the nucleus of our nation in 2011.
We have already paid the price too many times.
Iwealas removal the first time around for a nonentity Nenadi Usman was done to placate the north so that he could secure support for third term.
Soludos removal for Sanusi, and incompetent hardly schooled banker was because of Yar'aduas northernisation agenda. Now our once esteemed banking sector has given way for CBN carrying out commercial activities.
Now Lagos state does not want Aganga because allegedly he hasnt got pure Lagos blood.

WHAT A MESS !

Yar' adua sold u all a DUMMY and u all bought it !
Now ur crying out
This is a typical example of how a majority of us r resposible for the present plight of the nation