shadeyinka:


Anti-theist indeed! SMH

What truth?
Which Source?
What Purpose?

You serve that whom you'll utterly hate but cannot leave because you sold off yourself to him. Your master was just like you ,an Anti-Theist

When you decide to be humble, your eyes will open.

How can I serve one whom I have never met and who I do not believe exists? You must be kidding with all these BS. Instead of refuting my claims against the freewill of your wonderful God, you are spewing condemnation. Why would your good God let the devil use me? I say a good God will take the evil creator, whom he created, very far away from his beloved children.

It is also not humility, rather stupidity at it's purest form. The ONLY thing that could stop me from not believing in your God is if he stops hiding, which he will never do because he never existed anyway. If that Jewish manuscript is the claim to your God, I can say it is you who needs an eye opener.

initiate:


that's not a good example either.. No responsible parent will do that. Rather the parent will monitor everything the child does, but as he grows he is at a liberty to choose

Thanks! No good God will do that. I was only giving an analogy on what Christians call freewill from God. He(just like the parents) created good(sweets, books) and EVIL(pornography and guns) in Man/on earth(the child's room). He threatens Man(the child) to pick ONLY the good ones OR be punished eternally. The only thing worse than this kind of 'freewill' is to be rooted to the ground like a plant.

There are two questions here;
Why would a good God create evil at all knowing Man/his creation, would choose that?
Is it really freewill if the only other option is burning in hell eternally?

shadeyinka:

Indeed a wonderful God: and no ranting will change Him for your whims.

Your claims are like one asking why God didn't give you four legs instead of two. Aren't there advantages of four legs over two? LOL

The thrashing of a drowning man....

As an irreligious as you are why do you spend all your time in the religious section. Could it be that its just about hatred for the God who wouldn't fit into your mold OR an attempt to wish away the Truth of His reality?

You know the answer...but your attempt don't change a thing.

I am not only atheist, I am anti-theist just as most Christians are anti-islam and anti other religions. I cannot know the truth and hide it. I want the world to walk in truth and I do this not for salvation but for humanity.

shadeyinka:


That isnt a good analogy. A better one is this:

A parent gave his child a room. In the room were 2 220V (which could kill the child) sockets for which he could plug any of his electronics. But the child was given an instruction NOT to poke just anything into the socket else, he could be electrocuted.

If the child went ahead to get himself electrocuted by poking a nail into the socket. Your conclusion is that its the parents fault?

You can't escape from the truth no matter how you try.

Ask God why He made Gravity. Doesn't God know that the smaller gravity is, the easier things will be? You can run faster, jump higher, lift bigger things etc

You don't have any control of the rules and no argument can change its reality so also spiritual laws.

Please don't make me laugh. Anything to defend your God. There are good things, there are also things with greater good and there are just plain bad things. He made ALL of them including Anger, Hatred, Jealousy, Ugliness, Lies, Diseases, Disaster.


This is what is wrong with your 'better' analogy. A parent gave a child a good thing(a socket) and he used it wrongly despite the advice. This would only be termed freewill if the child was not threatened to be punished if he does otherwise.

In the case of God here, he KNOWS that the child would use the socket wrongly and hurt himself, not only did he still place it in the child's room, he threatened to punish the child FOREVER if he used it wrongly. What a wonderful God.

ambassagod:


Point out were the Bible says God is the creator of good and evil. Some atheists here sound extremely misinformed!

I do not even need to point out anything. It's simple logic. God Created All things as said by Him. Tell me a new definition of All. Also tell me the part in the bible that referred to God creating only good things and who created evil.

Here is a passage I found

Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
I form the light, and create darkness: I
make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do
all these things.


Don't tell me he borrowed Evil from it's creator the devil.

While you are at it tell me who created Satan and Why God threw the evil creator, the devil down to earth to cause havoc upon his beloved children

shadeyinka:


Can there exist any form of civilization without rules?
Only animals live without rules.

If God was to interfere and control every action of man, then He cannot say we have free will.

The speedometer of your car has a max of about 220km/hr. You have a freewill to push your car up to that limit. However, the FRSC says that for your safety, do not exceed 100km/hr inspire of your freewill. You could be arrested and punished for violations inspire of your freewill

So, God not constraining you against your will isn't a weakness but so that your freewill isn't constrained.

Laws will be rediculus only if you know how the other fundermemtal laws like Gravity, Magnetism, etc came to be.

Thanks for your clinical observations

That did not make much sense since the FRSC did not build your car. Here is a better example, A parent stocked a child's room with sweets, books, pornography and guns, and then asks the child to pick only the sweets and books or face severe punishment. Now that's more like it. Freewill indeed!

Please, Please, Please!!! Don't go to any stupid church or pastor, they will only give you greater headache and cause confusion. I had something almost similar to what you are having, I also thought I was hunted until I met persons with similar issues. Some persons including me called Jesus when it happened, some called Allah, some called mummy, others said nothing at all, and it all worked. A simple analysis will tell you that saying or doing something that calms or reassures you can pull you away from distress.

The brain(mind) is very complex, but most times it gives back what you feed it. Be positive minded and effortless. There might be medical treatments for your chest problems but I would advice you also give your mind, proper orientation. Good exercise, sleeping position and yoga would help a lot.

shadeyinka:


Omni-knowest is not the same as Omni-causeth

Freewill implying minimal interference of God in the affairs of man. Your parent at a point do not decide how you make your room in their house!

God really can't do much it seems. The bible says He is the creator of good and evil. He knows ALL things and can do ALL things. If he decides to not do anything about nothing then he CAUSED it. Simple!

Also, there is nothing free about freewill when he laid down ridiculous rules for us to follow or be condemned.

IKC10:

Dear Realist1, there is no assuming anything that Jesus Christ is the creator of the universe. The bible holds it very clearly, and there is not even an iota of assumption anywhere in it. I am putting up a post soon that will clear the confusion off every atheist. If you go with The Big Bang Theory thing, then you can be sure you are following the most illogical thing in the world. I am happy that you are science-inclined, fine, but do yourself the favour of making a research work of the organization of the things that exist today and tell me how that came to be by just a big bang. How did the big bang create the marks on your palm, which is definitely different from mine and anyone else's? Huh? Tell me? Please, you are educated, I wouldn't want you to think like one who isn't. The "Big Bang Theory" is seriously misleading!

This is where the Christian bullshit lies- the bible!
Destroy the bible, destroy Christianity. You can't think outside the tales of fictitious Jewish book.

If a book or epistle asking you to cut off your left pinky in order to be redeemed. was added to that fictional book, you sure would do it.

Just take a look at the old testament; Noah's ark, pillar of salt, tower of babel, dividing red sea, talking snakes, burnt offerings, Elijah and whirlwind. Does any of that make sense to you? If the old testament is wrong, the new testament is even wronger! Tell yourself the truth.

If God in the bible truly loved all his creations, he wouldn't support killings and wars. Remember he is the same today, tomorrow and forever. If he loved us, he would show himself to everyone and end the confusion happening in this world today. If he loved us, he wouldn't let the devil roam around the earth to devour his children. If he truly loved us, his children would not spend an eternity in hell despite their little or many wrong doings. Think about it!

Is he any different from allah? If no, why do you still believe in him?

emmayayodeji:
Early this morning my mom told me to run an errand for her. Around 6am. And it was raining like really heavy.. those in ibadan know whT am saying

So while i was driving on fast lane. Suddenly the car just slowed down and stopped working. It was really early and dark nobody was on the road yet

I kicked the car for like 5 minutes and it didnt come on..

So if i was religious ill have mutterd something like "God take control" or "holy spirit help"

I simply picked up my fone and i called my mom "hello, your car is giving me problem ohh" then she said shell send the mechanic.

While i was waiting for the mechanic i just decided to start the car and guess what?

It came on.

Lol if i was religious ill have said God helped me or some shii like that.

My point being. "Wierd things happen, we dont have to attribute them blindly to one god somwhere"..


Namaste


Something like this will happen and they will be saying " ive had personal experiences with the holy spirit"
Lol

Jesus take the wheel!

onyenze123:

Can you prove God doesn't exist?

Yes I can! There is no evidence to prove that he does exist.

onyenze123:



Answer my question first. There is nothing insincere about the question

Lol! How do you proof God exists? An ancient Jewish manuscript?

GodsMopol:


Why did you say so

I really don't have the strength to type much. Read these my posts and maybe you'd get the memo

This is gonna hurt
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Well, this just one of the many deaths and killings in the bible. Old testament you say? I am sure he is the same God right? I mean Jesus or he changed his mind. What about the apostle that struck sapphira and her husband because the lied about their property and made everyone quiver with fear?
Trust me, even Islam and Judaism practice love and evolve. But the background of all religion is nothing to write home about cause they are fables or lies.

Christianity is toxic because it puts fear in peoples minds that they would be condemned for every of their slight mistake or sin. It makes people abandon their families, business in the hope of making HEAVEN that they cannot even give a clear description of. It is a waste effective strategy, as it consumes people's time, money and energy. It gives people false hope, they do not want justice anymore, they cannot fight for their rights because they had given their will to God. It gives people false security, God is protecting me, christians are dying everyday and they cannot wake up to understand that you have to be extra cautious in what you do, some persons all in the name of God do not go to the hospital for check ups or treatment because they believe they are under the amour of God. Family planning, cut me with all the crap verses you provided. The Catholic church for example disallows the use of condom and contraceptives.
MARRIAGE! this one is frightening. Women are dying in the name of religion in the hands of their husbands and in laws. Why?

INSECURITY! Another frightening one, I could even call it ignorance. Enemies everywhere they go, Enemies. What ever happens to them is their enemy's fault or the devil. Their lack of progress is their grandmother's fault. Yes religion caused that. it make everyone believe in forces that are not there.

Thieves! Christianity caused that. God caused that. He couldn't even keep his church one, now people are fleeing from on thief to the other asking for miracle for their stupidity and those thieves are flying around in private jet.

You said it doesn't matter about the sect you belong to. I can as well call you gullible. You all condemn yourselves trust me if not you won't be converting another converted Christian to your own church. Is the holy spirit confused or is he confusing people to believe in different things? why doesn't he just tell everyone the truth?

It seems you didn't read those four accounts after the death of Jesus by four persons you do not even know or their names even and where not even among the twelve disciples of Christ talking about what happened during and after the life of Jesus. It must be the confused holy spirit that directed them. Did you really read them or your pastor gave it some meaning. Go back and spot just ten ridiculous difference in those four accounts on the resurrection of Jesus.

How can you believe so much in something filled with so many errors? How do you know the bible is not just something crafted by very creative people? Why do even the jews have a different story about Jesus? Why does every one including the Muslims have a different story? Don't you see that some group of people settled down to pick some bunch of letters that made sense to them? Why do you hold that incomplete book as your final authority?
P.S. it was not God talking to you, it was your mind that had been fed with so much lies and deceit since you were a kid.

Just few months or should I say weeks, I stopped believing in God. I wanted to know Him more and I ended up unknowing him. I used to be a terrific fighter of my faith, If anyone told me then that in a million years I would stop believing in God, in fact that would be impossible.
Here I am today, shocked that I have been deceived all my life. It took me a very long time to conclude and a very extensive research. Trust me it wasn't easy, I kept praying that it shouldn't be real until I felt numb, but reality struck me hard.

I was told doubting God was a huge sin by some of my friends until I realized that why would God make doubting his existence a sin? it's not like the evidence is so clear. I also asked myself would God condemn his creatures just because they do not believe in him regardless of if they are good people. I also asked myself, would I be happy if I go to heaven and the rest of my family and friend are in hell? I also asked myself, what about the Muslims that have been so good to me. What about the hemaphrodites, the people born with disabilities, the gay people? Why is there so much suffering and persecution? why does he let bad people have their way and the good people suffer? why does he let the good people turn bad? Why doesn't he just reveal himself to us all so we don't doubt. If he truly loved us will he condemn us for our one or two sins?

Then I discovered science and it made way more sense to me about the evolution of man, the planets, plants and animals... Then I discovered a lot of errors in the bible. The old testament was even laughable like the oduduwa tales we heard in schools. The great flood, noah's ark, Goliath, dividing red sea for 600,000 Israelite captives to pass through, talking snakes and voices from heaven, Elijah and the whirlwind.... these Jewish tales are as believable as Santa Claus.

We are humans and we cannot think beyond our capacity especially when our life here is very short, so we instill all our hope in a foreign or higher power. It is normal for EVERYBODY, that is why there are gods everywhere, but hey! people once thought the earth was flat.

What I am saying is as time goes on and technology keeps coming and the world keeps surviving, we humans will not have the need to consult a book to tell us the earth revolves round the sun in a year and rotates on it's axis. We wouldn't need a book to tell us that global warming is real.
But seriously, with all the evil going on in this world why has rapture not taken place, what is he waiting for?

Another thing that bugs me is animals, plants and micro organisms, when they die, where are they off to? Lol!

It's really really hard to get over this thing called religion, Christianity, but the world needs to get over it to allow true progress.

lordnicklaus:
How come your personal text says "Love God"?

Not too long ago, I used to love a nonexistent being.

Lol! keep deceiving yourself. That fable you call bible!

THERE IS NO GOD!!! Bible is a Jewish fable.

Zither:

Depends on the 'god' in question.

Yeah.. Whatever!

Zither:
I have consulted the gods on your behalf. The gods have smiled on your request. I will help you and make you the greatest pastor that you will steal all the members of Oyedepo, Idahosa, Adeboye, Kumuyi, and T.B. Joshua in one day. Even all the crippled and paralyzed in T.B. Joshua's church will run to your church on hearing about you. You will build the largest church in the universe.

The gods have granted your desire. All they request are just a few pieces of sacrifice to make it possible.

- a tooth from a living man-eating shark. Don't kill it or make it sleep in the process of getting the tooth otherwise the sacrifice will be rejected. the gods will grant you strength and inspiration

- an upclose and personal selfie picture with a grizzly bear that has just been robbed of her cub

- a flask of water gotten from the mid-point of a whirlpool in the sea with video as proof

- the skeletal structure of a 3000 year old whale still intact

- a full grown vulture with full natural hair on its head

- 7 eggplant leaves without veins

- the shell of the oldest turtle on earth

- and the heads of twenty full grown cocks that have never crowed in their lives. They're special sacrifice for the gods

- and finally, 7000 dollars in cash. The gods don't need your money. They only request it as a pledge of your utmost sincerity and willingness of your desire to pursue your dream.

As you can see they are very easy to procure. After all the items listed above have been provided I guarantee you that you will be the newest billionaire in the world with signs and wonders at your beck and call. I made Oyedepo who he is. He is my son. I am tested and trusted. Let me know if you are interested so that we can proceed to the next step.

LOL!

Truly, the fool say's in his heart 'There is no god', but the wise KNOWS there is no god.

Seriously, you only have to become atheist to see how stupid you sound. The only thing I fear is you not realizing how foolish you sound.

I really thought this was a joke thread.
Men wear shirts too. Men wear wrappers too. They wear shoes and socks too.
In the mean while, list the items the bible said were men only wears.
Also the Hebrews and Greeks that were the major characters in the Bible, their men would rather wear skirts than trousers.

cruzydal:
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cruzydal:

Thanks a million

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cruzydal:
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cruzydal:
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So many misogynists in this thread. Not surprising. Religion is a curse to this world.

Qandy:
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Tunchi101:
same here

Lol! you really thought I was sorry? That was sarcasm. No one knows yet the stream they belong to.

mikolo80:
Guy you get time o. I just de look all these foolish ppl trying to emulate 42% failure rate Vs old school marriage that had over 90% success rate

Yes, let us emulate women that chose marriage over their sanity and dignity. 90% success rate? it depends on what you deem success. Success is a woman who have been caged and maltreated all their life to break free! Success is a woman who knows her rights and protects it.