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Any plan to to green Soweto and black neigherhood. Boer planted trees or greenzones as an apartheid wall.

https://zandersamuel.users.earthengine.app/view/green-apartheid

jln115:
Greenest City in the world

Yes, main reason is agriculture has grown to 34% (mostly due to unprecedented rainfalls the last 5yrs) from around 25% of GDP, and yet same agriculture contribute 2% of the taxes. The real tax comes from manufacturing and financial sector - which are about 8% and 10% of the GDP.

The elephant on the room - Agriculture contributes 34% of kenya's GDP, employs over 75% of labourforce, supports 80% of manufacturing, over 70% of Kenyans live in rural areas yet investment in Agriculture is merely ~3% of budget - and tax contribution 2%.

kikuyu1:
There's ALWAYS the danger im borrowing but IMO its acceptable. As long as we trade debt for infrastructure development on the roads, rails and ports, ie, the GDP growth enablers its worth it.
Also ideally, our tax to GDP should be at least 20% but has stagnated at 18% the past half decade- which is cause for concern.

Nairobi green spaces - many privately own like this Mamba village - crocodile farm - in Karen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzLzI7L0bg8

Nearly all the food is imported from South Africa - canned and packed. Big difference with most of Africa where you can find fresh food - all over. The same with meat. The only thing I found remarkable was the number of small brewers.

jln115:
why did you eat canned food with honey?? Seems this is a YOU problem and nothing to do with Windhoek, which has many restaurants and takeaways to choose from.

Yes bitlong - canned food - generally - with honey -didn't like it - and wierd nuts. Then Southern African ugali - maize meal -

jln115:
1. I never said Windhoek wasnt drier?

2. I enjoyed myself a lot so.......

3. You were there in 2004......I was there in 2017, it's a city with plenty of clubs and pubs

4. Like in Kenya see pic!!

5. LOL!!! were the fvck did you stay?? or are you talking about biltong "dry preserved meat"

Namibia is drier than anywhere in Nairobi. It like northern kenya. That is the point.
As for windhoek - apart from clean - I dont think you can enjoy it - apart from their small beers;
There was one or two clubs - one of DJ was Kenyan - and it was pretty small town,

I could tell they worship white men. There were traditional dances every day - where Namibia blacks perform for tourists - mostly whites.

I'd say for boer - pretty nice place. For me - pretty dry place - dry food (dry preserved meat) - and dry women -

And kenya is opposite - it wet place - wet food - and wet women.

jln115:
OK??

So what does this have to do with our discussion?

But I'm glad you enjoyed it though!! ;DWindhoek is definitely my favourite country outside SA!! and this includes other countries I've been to inc the US, Australia and Singapore

Widhoek was super clean. I don't remember seeing any trash except in the slums. Slums are arranged in order like South Africa or Kenya colonial houses - not really shanties like kenya. It was even then a middle class country because a teacher could afford a new VW polo. Most cars were mostly VW.

The women are south african type - very tiny - pocket size - not really what we are used to in kenya - and the men - are better - taller and black. We went to Namibia Polythenic for them girls - din't trickle my fancy. East African women are handful - lots of buttocks and all the love handles - Namibia women look like their country - DRY>. Unless you're althetes - kenya women have lots of round beautiful buttocks.

Sam Nujoma was president then - and he had his gov office in middle - out of CBD.

CBD is full of coloured people. The is lots of german influence - and of course everything else is South African - a colony.

And climate is waaaaaay dried than kenya despite all the man made climates - trees planted.

The thing I took out of that trip is the love for Widhoek beer and german beers.

jln115:
And I was there in 2017...........Now tell me, does Nairobi of 2004 look the same as Nairobi today?

Interesting thing is when I was there I saw very few slums!!

Broad-brushes. Nairobi is a conflux of tropical highlands and savannah.

jln115:
Read:
"The Area of Nairobi is called the Savannah Biome, Similar to grassland yet with some areas of trees around water holes and rivers."

I went to Widhoek in 2004. The tallest building was Sam Nujoma presidential place. Next were many slums. There was nice supermarket or mall. Then Widhoek or Namibia polythenic. A few german named streets with small breweries. Pretty much everything else is small South Africa. Nearly all food imported. Everything in rand . Small colony of South Africa.

The climate is way DRIER than any part of Nairobi. It mostly like Kenya north - like Garissa - and most of Somalia.

jln115:
I don't have to be there to know what it looks like

And obviously you lied about being to Windhoek since it is nowhere near a desert:

Say common sense i.diot.

jln115:
Says who?

I have been to widhoek and I have lived in Nairobi. You haven't been to Nairobi. Nairobi is conflux of Savannah and highlands of Kenya. It quickly rises from around 1300mm to 2500mm.

jln115:
I've also been there!! I've even posted my passport as proof!!

Also your video revolves around 1 building!! like seriously dude

Is Karura or Ngong forest planted? Nairobi is a conflux of grassland - low plain - and highlands - which lots of rainfall - with altitude rising to almost 2500ms..as it extend all the way to mt Keny a

Nairobi metro has tea, coffee farms, - those cannot survive in savannah.

jln115:
Im talking about the natural biome dude!! It's not like im claiming Johannesburg is now a forest Biome because it has a lot of trees.

I have told you for free - Nairobi is split almost into half - into savannah grassland - Nairobi National park, most of eastland and - and from the CBD - toward west and north - its totally different climate.

Nairobi Savannah is 10 times greener than Widhoek - which is very sandy and dry like Kenya north.

jln115:
Ok and?

Here comes Savannah Nairobi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjGD8Rkf_-k

Here comes Savannah Nairobi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1NthvLPQ6A&t=59s

Tea doesn't grow anywhere there isn't high rainfall - 1700m.

Nearly all rich areas of Nairobi are in that zones - except maybe Karen - which has savannah.

This is natural forest before tea.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lb6i8ztGig

jln115:
Also why you posting un-natural farmland?

This is Windhoek - I have been there - it dry place - only vegetation are shrubs and planted boungavelia flowers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWvRweja36E

You in the arguing for arguing sake phase again. Nairobi is savannah only in your head. Half Nairobi is savannah - the other part is NOT.

This is Karura savannah forest - i.diot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9CrnZFhe1Y&t=89s

jln115:
Again!!! CLIMATE NOT THE SAME AS BIOME

Windhoek is Savanna:

And Nairobi is Savanna biome as well!!

Kenya is incredibly beautiful. Your Lagos oceans has nothing on say Diani or Mombasa or Malindi. Just accept and move on.

68816419:
Stop deluding your self mazze

40-50kms from Nairobi - nearly every day is foggy - because it very high altitude - the sky kisses the earth. To the south is dry and dusty.

Nairobi sit on conflux on many biomes hence it's beauty - to the south - national park and areas around - is the savannah grassland - and to the west - and north is very green. Nairobi sit on very high ground too.

Widhoek is not savannah - it semi-arid - actually arid like - just not a desert like Namib or Sahara - but you don't see any vegetation - just sand and shrubs.

Nairobi - 30kms from CBD Is this lush green.

jln115:
Climate and Biome are not the same ret@rd Nairobi is a savanna grassland biome. Also to me Windhoek is a beautiful city and personally I love the Savanna shrub biome!

We are looking at single indicators - and you're rushing to multi-indicators. Let us deal with clean and green. Liveable is a whole universe or QOL. Kigali the poor are really struggling.

jln115:
When did I say it wasn't? I said Windhoek is more liveable than Kigali and Nairobi!! You said it wasn't more liveable!

Call it semi-arid - although for me it just Namib desert. The only green thing I saw beautiful boungavilea plants - and many german names - and beer.

jln115:
Windhoek sits in a Savanna biome................Also I was talking about Nairobi not Kigali!! I know Kigali is the cleanest city in Africa!! I've even made posts in the past claiming that.

Don't an idiot as always. QOL or Liveability are ranked on many things including security, democracy, cost of living, amenities, etc
Kigali gdp per capita is not even 1000 dollars - so people are poor - and country is poorer than Namibia.
But when it come to clean and green - Kigali is the best in Africa.

But obviously the don't have Southern African mineral riches - so they are doing it with the little they have.

Kigali are on another level - clean and green - and investing on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSGrFevHrRQ

jln115:
WTF are you talking about bro??

Namibia ranks far ahead of Nairobi and Kigali in terms of QOL and liveability

Maybe in South Africa - it damn desert - all the way from airport to city center - long drive - then we left for town few kilometers. All the food were imported from South Africa.

As super-clean is Widhoek - it cannot match Rwanda in cleanliness and greenness - which are not end - it an attempt to create liveable spaces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNz0SVvEA3k

jln115:
Also you've clearly never been to Windhoek................Windhoek does not sit on a desert!!!

Clean and Green go together. Widhoek is definitely cleaner than Kigali or maybe. But Kigali is more clean because the air is fresh, the greenery, and name it.
Windhoek should do what Joburg and Europe has done - invest in greening the city! The low class areas of widhoek could do with some trees. Anyway they need to irrigate that city - and make it liveable. It's not enough to have a clean city - you need a liveable city - that is ecofriendly - for both humans and non-humans.

Joburg started from zero - as desert - but definitely cannot reach Nairobi with natural forests, rivers, dams, swamps and name it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AVuNmwBeMo

jln115:
I was talking about cleanest cities not "greenest" cities..........If we talking green as in trees and sh1t, Johannesburg blows Nairobi out of the water since Joburg is the largest man made forest in the world.

As for ecofriendly cities...........When I googled most ecofriendly cities the only African city that consistently made the top 10 was Cape Town, I've not seen Nairobi on any list wrt ecofriendly cities.

To reclaim Nairobi river - the upper and middle class areas have seen more than 100M-200m dollars demolition - including 3 big malls.

But huge work is needed because slums basically occuppied the river reserve and kicking them out is political hot potato.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC-piBRFz_8

Nairobi has huge problem to reclaim more greenspaces
1) Nairobi dam - huge man-made dam that major water sport facilities in 70s
2) 4 rivers or more - river reserves - 30-50m

Nairobi dam for example was one huge dam - but Kibera people made it open sewer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ruqN-IGqs

Demolition need to be done


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj-3xWyCGqw

The jewel on the crown - of the GREEN CITY IN THE SUN - is definitely Nairobi National Park - occupying 17% of Nairobi Landmass - and extending further with private animal ranches - and well there was a corrindor to Amboselli that goes all the way to Mt Kilimanjaro. That animal corridor is now occupied by humans - making NEP sustainability in doubt.

Let say 5kms from Nairobi CBD - you are in a SAFARI drive. About 2 kms from Nairobi JKIA airport you in. About 500m from Wilson airport.

Lodges, nature walks, parks, animal orphange.

Only City in the planet to have animals live freely next to the CBD.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_TfMNiNK9w&t=4s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O62AN6rEd2Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E2pJyNuiuY&t=496s

Giraffee manor I think sit at confluence of Nairobi National Park and Ngong forest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cDsqXovh8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O3PuhVUeHg

Ngong forest - separates the huge Karen - with rest of Nairobi - Kibera sits on edges of Ngong forest

It not well known for many activities because close to it - is the large Nairobi National Park.

Gov need to reclaim the corridor to connect Nairobi National park with Ngong forest - so animals can move there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWlMGqsCxQ