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I have been to windhoek - very very clean - but it sits on a desert - and only green thing is boungavelliea. Nairobi has RAW Materials to world best city. I cannot think about any city that can compete with Nairobi if we fix basic stuff.

Nairobi with all it's dirty - is already 11st most ecofriendly city - and is only green city in the sun.

Nairobi potential is incredible - if we we can only preserve the four rivers throught it - and have more green spaces in eastland of Nairobi.

jln115:
CT, Windhoek and Gaborone I can guarantee are cleaner than Nairobi

Karura forest - spreads in most of northern Nairobi - and provide huge green spaces - about 2,500 acres. Karura is sorrunded by upper class residence of Muthaiga, Gigiri, Runda,Balozi, Ridgeways, redhill.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ESKShJwZ3Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9CrnZFhe1Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XM31FgC5z0

The Nairobi CIty Park - sits on Parkland/Highridge - and Ngara/Pangani - and the start of the huge Karura forest


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq4laU4AQ6k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHOemFxWtAI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekYrFH8EEps

The green spaces in Nairobi continues through Nairobi river - to the huge Nairobi Arborteum - that separates Kilimani/Milimani/Chiromo/Riverside.

Nairobi arboretum is a huge nature park - is about max 2km from Nairobi CBD - Westland CBD - and all the nice places.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx_kCstegCY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gge8jUEtyIU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwzhjY7H4fM

John Michuki memorial park - separating old CBD and Westland upcoming cbd


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzVMYKYEg_0

Nairobi parks - Nairobi just need a little fix here and there to compete with Rwanda's Kigali for clean city. The army guys are working hard.

Nairobi central and Uhuru park - and michuki memorial park green zone that separates Nairobi 3 cbds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeM1QBwWJos

John Michuki park - separates Nairobi CBD with Westland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BK-qaHD5Mw

For gov to continue borrowing they have to rebase and hope the GDP is underestimated - otherwise we are hitting dangerous gdp to debt level.

kikuyu1:
We're overdue for rebasing. Last one was 2014 finding us 25% bigger. Since then there have been some structural changes.
Agriculture particularly fishfarming and horticulture have grown TREMENDOUSLY as has IT and mobile based app biz.
Imo, another minimum 20% of GDP judging from certain robust domestic stats eg,local tourism is being undercounted.

Obtuse,
Nominal GDP = Quantity A * CurrentPrice
Real GDP= Quantity A* BasePrice
All in local currency.

jln115:
uhm no dickhead.......... I said GDP Nominal is calculated on a base price of goods in dollars(which it is) ......and Real GDP is calculated by using a GDP deflator or in other words to put it very simply it's calculated in local currency(technically prices adjusted for local inflation)

Your id0it friend said nominal gdp= Real GDP / exchange rate.

Also I wasn't arguing about the SAn economy doing good or bad.....simply stated that RVP shouldnt try and calculate something he knows nothing about.

Safaricom approaches 15B dollars in valuation. Should now be comfortably in the top 5 in Africa in market cap. And yet they are only in the kenya market.

Now only Nasper, First Rand, Anglo America plantinum and Absa Bank above them.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/corporate/companies/safaricom-share-nse-to-a-12-month-high-3291304

I don't. Link.

Shaytun:


You do know Nigerians have the highest number of private jet and helicopters in Africa......right??

Maybe? Until then it's still flying unlike Nigerian Airways

Shaytun:
KQ should be sold, it’s never made profit, while it’s operating revenues keeps increasing year in year out.

It’s a dead airline, the only reason it’s still floating around is because your government keeps pumping money into it.

It’s a lost cause

Giant of 200M per capita is with Niger and Chad.

Shaytun:
Nope you’re getting it wrong.

Your figure was 12M —-so it’s 5M difference.

Nope Air industry is South Africa , Egypt, Morocco, Nigeria, Ethiopia.

Those are the big 5.

KQ+jambojet alone is better than all you airlines combined.

Shaytun:
An old list for Nigeria.

https://ncaa.gov.ng

You don’t have 50 airlines.

Only 13 out of those are still operational, the rest are defunct.

Against Nigeria 28.

17m against kenya 13m - only 4m difference - yet population difference is humongous. South Africa - OR Tambo 21m - Capetown 5m plus.

So Air Industry is South Africa, Egypt, Morroco, Ethiopia.

Shaytun:
You bet, you think, you doubt

Not factual.

We fly more passengers than Kenya even if it’s 17 million.

RSA nominal GDP ten years ago was 420B - and now is just well over 330B. It very bad
Kenya nominal GDP has risen from 40 to nearly 100B - we are even due for re-basing. It very excellent.
I am am NOT an economist - I am software engineer.

jln115:
nobody argued South Africa was doing well economically

Simply made the point you know fuckall about economics

Nigeria should aim for helicopters first before trying airlines.

Nearly every Kenyan tycoon or politician in kenya own their private helicopters.

Most top politicians fly choppers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep24pTjzRX8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybi8M4CAV50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-_iRyYRybs

https://businesstoday.co.ke/list-of-kenyans-who-own-helicopters-and-cost-of-hiring-one/

I know South Africa economy has been doing badly the last 10yrs and expectation for next 10yrs are equal bad. As for academic debate - I am game.

jln115:
Yes!! stick to things you know ..................hopefully after today you've learned your lesson to not debate me on economical matter

Kenya has 50 airlines versus Nigeria 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airlines_of_Nigeria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airlines_of_Kenya

Shaytun:
Not like Kenya airways that has never reported any profit since it has been in existence, always massive loss, only airline that has a loss bigger than its operating revenue.


That airline should be sold.

I’m sure they will find a Nigerian buyer

Flying only 17m passengers annually. Just learn to use West Africa. I doubt you have many domestic airlines than kenya. I bet most of 17m are international flights carried by foreigners

Do you even fly regionally to say Benin? or Ghana

Shaytun:
Nigeria currently has the highest number of private airlines in Africa.

Another airline just launched.

“New airline for domestic operations is launching in Nigeria. The Nigeria Eagles Airline has its Boeing 737-700 aircraft ready ,and one was flown in by Muhammed Muktar Yusuf. It would give the dominant players good competition ,and possibly lead to competitive ticket prices”

Everyone can make prediction. I have made mine for 15yrs. I just don't see South Africa moving forward. At best I see it stuck but very likely it will keep coming down.

For now work on this figures 100B versus 300B - very near in the long term - esp when South Africa prognosis in medium term is bad - Eskom, poor HCI and racial tensions. Maybe minning will lift your economy like it has done for 100yrs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APg0tsnPS-s

jln115:
Keep believing that

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/the-world-in-2050.html

Long arguments will not move south africa nominal gdp from 300B - it will keep waiting for kenya to overtake it - in 15yrs max.

jln115:
So you now back tracking from Nominal Gdp= Real Gdp/ $ exchange rate ??

Pretty cool for kenya because in 10yrs it has double it's economy and yours has shrunk. It's now nearly 95B versus 330B - estimated for 2020 - waiting for final report soon.

10 yrs ago - it was nearly 11 times bigger - now just 3-4 times bigger. And this now 3rd year we are arguing as you try desperately to denigrated nominal GDP.

jln115:
Cool story bro

Real GDP - would use base year prizes (market prizes 5 or 10 years ago - depending on your base years) - that is absolute gdp - without any inflation. And I mean prize inflation - NOT currency inflations.

Therefore nominal GDP is affected by first inflation (market prizes) and then currency inflation against USD.

jln115:
Ok so that would mean Nominal GDP expressed in local currency should be equal to real GDP............But you can clearly see it's not the same

Still big drop and huge stagnation in 10yrs. If not you'd be like Indonesia or Thailand or China. But look now - Kenya is now aiming for you in 15yrs max.

10yrs ago - Kenya nominal gdp was 40B - South Africa 410B.

Now as we speak it's nearly 3 times large - Not 10 times!

That mean ceteris peribus - 10yrs from now - Kenya GDP would be 250B or about - and South Africa - will probably do another drop to 280B!

jln115:
$351 billion

To be precise, Nominal gpd - gdp * market prizes (local currency) - the total is then simply divided by official exchange rate at end of that year. And that become GDP that folks care about. Nobody cares about PPP or Real GDP outside internal analysis...like I told for stuff like poverty analysis...and other local issues.

jln115:
You said Nominal GDP= Real GDP/ $ exchange rate...............

You're pasting link without explaining where prizes in USD are shown. No country keep prize series in USD except maybe US and Zimbwabwe. That would insanity. How would you prize local stuff in USD?

The conversion is done as the end of year - official exchange rate - and if Kshs gdp is 9 trillion and USD is now 108 - expect Kenya GDP to take a huge hit.

That is why South Africa for 10yrs has dropped from 415billion to 300B or less - and hence this long long debate.

jln115:
Go sleep:

https://www.centralbank.go.ke/annual-gdp/

Insanity. Base prizes are in Kshs. Market Prizes are in Kshs. The conversion at prevailing USD rate is done instantiounsly . that is why currency appreciation or depriciation affect nominal GDP instantly,.

jln115:
The base prices were in dollars hence why it said Nominal GDP and not real GDP..............................or can you not read?

GDP at market prizes (nominal) - based KSHS. Not dollars. Then to get USD - is simply to divide by exchange rate - and this kenya would not even care about - it's like of IMF/WB - to do this.

jln115:
Dear God you are ret@rded............

Let me also destroy you. In 2019 (economic report released in 2020) - Kenya real GDP was 9.7B trillion Kshs - and when converted to dollars - was simply around 96B dollars - because 1USD was equal to 102 Kshs.

Real gdp at absolute prices (base year prize) versus Gdp at market prices - calculated in Kshs -- is nominal GDP - and conversion is final stage - just total gdp/divided usd at time of reporting.

here is the link
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/s3.sourceafrica.net/documents/119905/KNBS-Economic-Survey-2020.pdf

jln115:
OK let me just destroy you now and get it over with.

SA real GDP in 2019: R3 149,3 billion or $217 billion if we divide it by the 2019 exchange rate which was in fact pretty much the same as it is now.

GDP nominal according to the WB in 2019: $351 Billion

Meaning that that difference is because base prices were calculated in $ not Rand.

I'd like to see the dollars in the GDP. You're more than obtuse. Constant price are based on base year (this when stastitics body gather market prices for all sort of things) - and use that series for next few years - until they rebase agan. All the prices are in local currency(KSH/Rand).

Nominal GDP is just real gdp divided by the prevailing dollar exchange rate. And PPP is more intense - like calculating real gdp - prizes of all products and services are generated - and converted to PPP equivalent.

jln115:
Literally what relevance does this have to what we were talking about?

Redhill - Interchange.

Outering-Jogoo road interchange - 1st 2 pic
Repeat of Ngong road-Southern by pass interchange in karen
Lastly Langata road/Southern by pass interchange