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Our worst slums have electricity. You best neighborhood don't.

obaaderemi:
[s]Nairobi has Africa's worst slums. Fact.

All I saw was a road. Get me an aerial drone picture. This one was taken Feb - look like a slumpolis - but better than Nigeria cities.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La-auxYMVvs

popizaino:
Stop being mischievous. It is not called petty Paris for nothing






Pls, we are dealing with facts not what you think. Name any international agency that has ever had Abidjan and slum on the same sentence.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfueSIqeN3w

And please post rural mansion - not peri-urban mansions. Let see some greenery, farmland, winery, something

AmenhotepZuid:
THE CHALLENGE ON RURAL MANSIONS STANDS!!!!!! SOUTH AFRICA vs Africa!!!!!!

Springfield I doubt it worth anything 1B dollars. Those are make-believe stories by corrupt gov proxies. Show us one of it's balance sheet..let us know what revenues they made last year.

vaxx:
You are always very stupid. so Ghana commercial bank is foreing grown, according to you. though your table is even incomplete, it is more than three. there is Springfield oil which is worth over 1 billion dollar according to Forbes, there is engineers and planners ( The largest mining company in w Africa


And the only Anglogold Ashanti now is in Ghana not South Africa. it closes its south Africa branch earlier this year

I see Ghana has 3. And none really homegrown. Kenya companies apart from StanChart are mainly homegrown and run.

Danielnino00:
7 of Kenya's 11 companies are banks too..

Ghana has 2 not 1..

Africa top 250 companies.
https://africanbusinessmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/AB_0520_Top-250-Companies_compressed.pdf

Safaricom is in the top 10. Dangote cement with revenues of 5B is no 21.

South Africa takes 100 out of 250. Down from 109 as they regress.
Nigeria takes 20 out of 250 - about 15 of them - banks.
Kenya takes 11 out of 250.

Tanzania has 4 companies

Ghana has Tullow Oil only

Upperhill is not Westland. Nairobi has more than 10 business districts.

You can post as many shi.tty pictures as you like but you can never measure up with Nairobi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QefIybvNsU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdSFW5eBtxQ&t=202s

AskiaHarem:
The same sh1tty district again?! What is this the 60th time in a row in a single week you've spammed this district?

50% of nearly 6% growth is still POSITIVE 3% growth. Nigeria will contract by at least NEGATIVE 3.5% - and definitely more - considering IMF made those projection when Oil had not collapsed.

obaaderemi:
At least Nigeria has money taps to open as your screenshot shows.

Kenya has been broke since April. See:

Video doesn't lie. Yes, Nairobi has slums occupying 2% of it's landmass and exactly 5% of it's built area.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdSFW5eBtxQ

Here is Westland district - Westland has I think 3 slums - 1 acre of slum in Runda (Gathogoro), 1/2 acre of highridge slum and maybe 500 acres of slum - Kangemi.

Nairobi has many districts - and soon I hope we get a real view of each of them.

The slums are highlighted there for you. Slums basically host domestic workers and industrial area workers - plus informal working Nairobi. They are mostly built in gov or public land - in edges of forest or valleys. Illegally built.

Westlands Kitisuru · Parklands/Highridge · Kangemi · Karura · Mountain View
Dagoretti North Kilimani · Kawangware · Gatina · Kileleshwa · Kabiro
Dagoretti South Mutu-ini, Ngand'o · Riruta · Uthiru/Ruthimitu · Waithaka
Langata Karen · Nairobi West · Nyayo Highrise · South C
Kibra Laini Saba · Lindi · Makina · Woodley-Kenyatta Golf Course · Sarang'ombe
Roysambu Githurai · Kahawa West · Zimmerman · Roysambu · Kahawa
Kasarani Clay City · Mwiki · Kasarani · Njiru Shopping · Ruai
Ruaraka Babadogo · Utalii · Mathare North · Lucky Summer · Korogocho
Embakasi South Imara Daima · Kwa Njenga · Kwa Reuben · Pipeline · Kware
Embakasi North Kariobangi North · Dandora Area I · Dandora Area II · Dandora Area III · Dandora Area IV
Embakasi Central Kayole North · Kayole NorthCentral · Kayole South · Komarock · Chokaa · Matopeni/ Spring Valley
Embakasi East Upper Savanna · Lower Savanna · Embakasi · Utawala · Mihang'o
Embakasi West Umoja I · Umoja II · Mowlem · Kariobangi South
Makadara Maringo/ Hamza · Viwandani · Harambee · Makongeni
Kamukunji Pumwani · Eastleigh North · Eastleigh South · Airbase · California
Starehe Nairobi Central · Ngara · Pangani · Ziwani/ Kariokor · Landimawe · Nairobi South
Mathare Hospital · Mabatini · Huruma · Ngei · Mlango Kubwa · Kiamaiko

obaaderemi:
All the relevant world agencies and situations on ground disagree with you. We know Kenya is synonymous with filth and slums.

Slumpolis cannot have slums. It's a slum itself.

popizaino:
when you are talking about West Africa pls be specific. Abidjan for example doesn't have slum at all but we know what is synonymous with Nairobi and you have the nerves to still call all West Africa backwaters. Let's be guided

Let them look for slums like in their slumpolis. What they don't know slums occupy 2% of Nairobi landmass. Their small segment near first that is like an acre in high ridge.

Shma:
woow!!! Wow!! Woow!!

Nairobi - westland district - watch from 2.55m - you cannot get a district like that in any west Africa backwater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdSFW5eBtxQ?t=180

This guy drone will kill Nigeria and Ghana

Karen area

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztJ1MMwypZ4&t=88s

Ngong road area

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjxY0gupOJ0&t=596s

Kenya parliament.

Next is for Zambia, Malawi,Mozambique, Uganda and Rwanda to follow suit. Magufuli is damaging Tanzania. Even Congo and Burundi will do the same.

gallivant:
Let's see if we will starve to death.

Yes, I think in terms of fixed broadband though, South Africa leads with 2M and Kenya follows with 0.5M fixed broadband - last I checked.

I am not sure about 5G - but Kenya needs to continue investing in broadband (Fiber to home) - to reach at least 10m households in 5yrs.

Service Provider Number of subscriptions % market share
Safaricom Plc 154,603 34.0
Wananchi Group 151,548 33.3
Jamii Telecom 66,572 14.6
Poa Internet Kenya 39,533 8.7
Internet Solutions 15,744 3.5
Mawingu Networks 10,055 2.2
Liquid Telecom 9,499 2.1
Telkom Kenya 4,744 1.0
Frontier Optical 555 0.1
Other Fixed providers 2,037 0.4

kevomtaani:
Internet penetration and speed in Kenya is higher and faster than south Africa
Kenya had the fastest internet speeds in 2017 until Madagascar laid their undersea cables. Madagascar is leading in Africa at speeds not access.

Kenya-TZ and Kenya-Somali border closed. COVID-19.

That was when Nigeria was growing with Oil. Now it's sick in every sense of the word. Even BRIC - China and India are doing the well - the rest are also very sick

Carmit:
in case anyone forgot, Nigeria is among the 'M.I.N.T' nation's.

that's the new 'B.R.I.C.S.' in case you don't know.

Long overdue. That is a lot of hungry people breeding crime and problems.

Austine1212:
The headline states "thousands waut in line fir food aid in south africa"

Eve

That place is 90% foreigners, its on the far end of centurion. Thats whywhy there has been mass deportation of illegal foreigners

We cleaning the house

Btw South Africa HDI is high - but if you don't factor the world highest income equality - you won't tell people will queue for for free food like this.
https://www.facebook.com/aljazeera/videos/thousands-wait-in-line-for-food-aid-in-south-africa/252094895989307/

Austine1212:
Turkey HDI is high

eating Bread and hazelnut everyday is good, they are not starving

I am glad you finally realize the folly of one index.

Austine1212:
Exactly use various indexes to make a conclusion

I know Kikuyu is looking for where Kikuyus originates and when he found something near Okuyu in Ethiopia - it got him interested.

My understanding is that Kikuyu is maasai name; that basically mean lubwa, wakwavi, parakuyo - etc - it basically mean agro-pastoral maasi - someone who had abandoned the noble pastoralism for the lowly farming

Most of kenya tribes you'd be surprised to know where give names by either Maasai - to the Arabs slave traders - and those names stuck - Nandi for example is Arab name given to them by arabs.

So Kikuyu - come from Ethiopia - and head down Tanzania - and research more about PARAKUYO there. Also called baraguyu. Or maybe in Kenya Agikuyu. It means in Maasai - one of our own who has gone farming or given up on pastoralism. This term parakuyo, kwavi, lubwa - were applied by Maasai to people they thought were close to them but had become farmers - kambas, chagga, kikuyus and kalenjin.

"The Kwavi or baraguyu are known historically as a Maa-speaking group, but they have long assocation with the Bantu groups east of Mt Kilimanjaro. They are farmers, and have a lifestyle more like the neighbouring Bantu people in the Kilimanjaro area. You might find that Kwavi people identify themselves by a Bantu clan name, such as Chagga, even though they speak Maa. Likely names would be Chagga, Sambaa (Shambala) or Pare."

So basically if significant group of Maasai joined Bantu core of Kikuyus - it very likely the Maasai started to derisively refer them to parakuyo (corrupted maybe to Kikuyu)- or somebody who has abandoned the 'noble' lifestyle of cattle rearing and gone farming which the Maasai disdained. And when people would ask who those people were...Maasai would say parakuyo.

kevomtaani:
heheheh so now kikuyus are not part of the axle that you mentioned, the hima nyankole tutsi axle. good to hear

Let me ask you, do you really believe kikuyus came from Ethiopia? and how comes there isn't even a single bantu tribe left in those areas or even bantu speaking populace? one thing about bantus they could be conquered yes but they would never loose their languages to any invaders. I.e with the nyankole and tutsi they are foreign to those lands but they speak bantu languages. the arabs, persians and portugese along the east African coast are foreign but they speak
a bantu language.
Please explain how the bantus migrated from North Africa and ME or even Ethiopia without leaving a trace
and according to your logic they also penetrated the thick forest to get to Angola, DRC and Gabon from the north. or like your friend they also called a chopper?

I think the era of genetic mapping - there should not be anymore argument of history really. This was 19th century kind of argument - but scientists have since settled most of these issues.

Kikuyu are obviously Bantus - the evidence is overwhelming - their language & it's genetics, their human genetics, their crops & genetics, their domesticated animals & their genetics - all point to them being relatives to fellow eastern kenya bantus and mostly Tanzania bantus - and of course you can then trace it all the way to Central African.There is some logic & science in identifying that ultimate origin of group of people.

Of course that bantus and afro-asaitic and the nilo-saharans are also close is also a fact

EB1b1 (carried by most afro-asiatic) is close to Eb1a (bantus, yorubas, igbo)

So yes if you go further Afro-Asiatic and Bantus have one father. At least that is what Y-DNA is telling us.Maybe they have different mothers if we bother with Mt-dna.

kevomtaani:
heheheh so now kikuyus are not part of the axle that you mentioned, the hima nyankole tutsi axle. good to hear

Let me ask you, do you really believe kikuyus came from Ethiopia? and how comes there isn't even a single bantu tribe left in those areas or even bantu speaking populace? one thing about bantus they could be conquered yes but they would never loose their languages to any invaders. I.e with the nyankole and tutsi they are foreign to those lands but they speak bantu languages. the arabs, persians and portugese along the east African coast are foreign but they speak
a bantu language.
Please explain how the bantus migrated from North Africa and ME or even Ethiopia without leaving a trace
and according to your logic they also penetrated the thick forest to get to Angola, DRC and Gabon from the north. or like your friend they also called a chopper?

Kevo, the nearest to Kalenjin in sudan and Ethiopia are Daasanach or Merille - who are Cushitic in language but probably nilotic. Otherwise the only Kalenjin like tribe are in Tanzania - the Datooga/.Barbabaig - they are also nearly 70% cushitic - thanks to influence of southern cushistic (Iraqwis or wamburu).

That small region of Tanzania is very good because you get small region where oromo/somali cousins, kalenjin cousin, khoisans and maasai live together.

These are Datoogas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYysFFLuyEw

The Iraqwis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gSwm26Au4

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But we are talking post-Berlin conference to portion Africa or pre - 1884 Bismark conference? I am interested in the period before that like early 18th century towards 15th century.

chrisagyei:
the men did including missionaries, soldiers, educaionists,soldiers, government workers,professionals,mercants,business men,traders,health care workers,etc buh they hardly came with their wives due to the harsh weather conditions so most of these men married and breed with Ghanaian women to give birth to mixed race children thus most of the people in the coastal areas bear European surnames with European origins such as our former president John Evans Atta Mills,former vice president Fiifi Amissah Arthur(they corrupt Atta to Arthur),Black Star footballers Michael Essien,John Paintsil,Samuel Inkoom,Harrison Afful,Augustine Arhinful,etc Ghanaian actor James Gardiner,etcMusician Kwesi Arthur,former Ghanaian chief justice Georgina Woods,ministers such as Samuel Bartels,Betty Mould,personal John Mahama lawyer Tony Lithur,national heroes Kwegyir Aggrey,Ekim Ferguson, William Paa Grant,etc.

So Kalenjin are 'very' different from other Nilotes. They actually have no cousins in South Sudan like other Nilotes. There reason Kalenjin moved to Kenya a long time ago - together with Kushites. These are not present-day Kushites - but proto-eastern Kushites - long before they split.
When Kalenjin moved to Kenya - pastoralism has not started in Sudan (Egypt) - everyone lived along the river Nile - mostly farming and keeping a few domesticated animals. The proto-kushites include sirikwa who did elaborate irrigation schemes - and were noted farmers- and some remnant tribes like Iraqwis can be found in Tanzania. I am not sure about Tutsi and Himas - seem to have come later.Kalenjin found aboriginal and live together - and most aboriginal speaks Kalenjin including those in Somalia or kenya coast. Kalenjin the language itself has about 50-50 cognates with eastern cushitic languages. These Kushites would late move up north and east - split into promos and Somalia - and Somalis would later convert to Islams - from 10th century when Arabs arrived from the coast - and Somalis would start to imagine they came from Arabia or Yemeni.

The Kenya bantus - are indeed very mixed - because they are north most of Bantus around here- and intermixed with nilotes, Kushites and aboriginal.

So yes when Bantus moved here - they found Kalenjin, Kalenjin-speaking aboriginals and Kushites. The Maasai and their cousins would arrive later - and scatter everyone. The Luos arrived in Kenya in 15th century - and Maasai probably an 8-10th century.Bantus brought iron technology - and tubers crops from West Africa - like arrowroots, yams, sweet potatoes, cassavas - and adopted millet, sorghum - that were being cultivated by agropastoral Kalenjin and others. Everyone pretty much copied honey culture from Khoisan aboriginals.

If you want to see a microcosm of kenya before arrival of bantus - you need to visit lake Eyasi in Tanzania. There you'll find cushites(Iraqwis,gorowas), kalenjin )(Datooga,Barbabaig) and aborignals(Hadzabe) - all cut off from the main stock living together - as primitives as it were.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n259yhVNljM

kevomtaani:
Finally someone who writes factual history, point of correction there were a few nilotic and cushitic people in kenya and east Africa prior to the bantu expansion. they were easily conquered or assimilated by the bantus especially around the mountain regions. mt Kenya and kilimanjaro. Fyi kalenjin also come from the warrior nilotic tribe it's only that they adapted to the bantu way of life and became farmers like their neighbors. The maasai have a disgust towards agriculture and even called kalenjin and other warrior tribes who started farming derogatory names. the kikuyu people and to a larger extent Mt Kenya people have less bantu blood than other bantus in the country simply because of mixing with both nilotes and cushites and during colonialism they mixed with Indians fyi they brought syphilis to kikuyu land and also Europeans. typical kikuyu dna would show 40-50%percent bantu or 40-50%nilotic DNA. 10-20%Somali or cushitic DNA and 1-10% European/asian/arab DNA varying on region of course.

the poster Kikuyu usually has good points but unfortunately is a sucker for conspiracies and this erases some of his points.

Interesting - so the European sort of settled down like Arabs did along the East Africa coast? I never thought they disembarked from their ships - just ship loaded the slaves.

chrisagyei:
it's a long trace some dating back to 400 years ago so the fair color might have gotten lost in between due to his mixed race blood great great grandfathers marrying various other Ghanaians thus losing the mixed race complexion buh the surname is still maintained so you can easily trwce his route to an European great great grandfather. They have all those records there buh that of the African Americans sent into slave trade was intentionally lost so that such people may find it impossible to trace their roots buh in the case of the mixed race offsprings,you can easily trace their route.We have their family home buildings still in existence today normally referred to the surname such as Guggisburg house,Blankson House,Nelson House,Hammond house,James House all over the coastal areas in Ghana.So you can easily trace Wode Maya's European root.This is an example below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aQJ7TrNMJ4

I agree with you. Kikuyus are bantus (at least half of them) while Maasai are nilotes - and their closest relatives are Lotuko who occupy Juba South Sudan. Lotuko and Maasai language is very close to be one language.Maasai nearest cousins are Turkanas, Iteso and Toposa and Eastern South Sudanase and they came to kenya together.

Kenya migration is pretty easy.

The aboriginal were here - never left. They are part of Khoisan and speak click language. Some bantus like Xhosa down south have adapted part of their language but generally, they were so weak, they got assimilated.

Most people apart from Khoisans - hunter & gatherers - lived along river beds - because of agriculture & few domesticated animals - pastoralism not really began.

The next wave of migration to kenya was by 2 groups - proto-Kalenjin and proto-southern Kushites (oromos+somalis). Kalenjin were northmost of other nilotes - and lived around current Khartoum - the Luos and related (dinka, nuer, etc) just below them - and Maasai and related below in Juba - while the Kushites lived not far up around the Kush. This was pre-Christianity times. They went through Ethiopia eventually to East Africa all way down to Tanzania. Kushites would later split into Oromos and Somalis.

The next wave of migration was Bantus. Coming from Cameroon/Nigeria border they quickly spread thanks to their newly discovered Iron technology (probably copied from Nigeria or Chad) as they forged tools to cultivate and hack through forests. This was a massive migration that happened very quickly - as Bantus conquered the territories previously occupied by Khoisans in Central, South and East Africa. There is very little genetic or language diversity between bantus...because of the rapid migration.

The next wave of migration in Kenya was nilotes - Maasai, Turkanas and later the Luos. The Maasai arrival was momentous. They basically took territory quickly from north of Kenya to south of Tanzania. Only getting stopped by Zulu breakaway Ngonis.

Because the Maasai were very populous (largest tribe in Kenya) and had fighting spirits never seen before - many attempted to befriend them - and so even kidnapped maasai kids.Maasai also took in nearly every tribe as wives or kidnapped kids. This was true for many communities - not only the Kikuyus.The Maasai came from the theatre of war somewhere in South Sudan together with their cousins - turkanas, Iteso, taposa and those in Ethiopia - and later Luos (Luos lived north - near current Sudan) - and all were possibly escaping forced Islamization and slave trades from Arab and Nubians....and mostly thanks to acquisition of new breed of hardy zebu cows from India.


The last people to migrate to kenya was colonizing Europeans and their lanky Asians...and of course Nubians.

Justnotyou:
What about the meru, Kambas, Taitas where do they come from? also why did you magically loose your linguistic affiliations to your ancestors living up north even though you were, presumably, surrounded by Nilo-saharan & afroasiatic speakers even while entering Kenya?

Were the Kikuyus ever extremely endogamous before? why are you so sure any genetic anomaly isn't as a result of an intermarriage/rape/assimilation?

Where does the bulk of the Niger-Congo genes come from? Why is your paternal haplogroup more than 70% E1b1a which is predominantly found with other bantu/west Africans while the cultures you're descending from are barely a 1% E1b1a, why? what happened along the way to shift you guys genetically & linguistically so much as to turn you in to the mixed people of today?

All Kenya Tz borders are showing serious COVID-19 case and now from Migori to Tanga - we want the borders close. Your almost cavalier attitude is shocking. I mean if western developed nations are fearful - you should be very paranoid.

This disease is REAL. Ask Donald Trump.

Mzal3ndo:
Dude, stop fear mongering. What hospitals are getting overwhelmed?? I won't even ask for proof cause I know you ain't got any.

Mandela gave them a free ticket out of the jail for the most heinous crimes! Big mistake. They probably threaten him - otherwise South Africa should have build a big prison for them and jail them for very long time.

The land debate would be moot. Like in Kenya - they would be lining up to sell at first opportunity

kikuyu1:
I was talking to Stoffie here on his peeps would capture the kids of slain Bapedi and Swazi on the Inboekseling system when you interrupted with sarcastic smilies.
I know there's been a highly successful campaign to downplay apartheid era structure but why any sane human, especially a black Saffa would find that REMOTE AMUSING IS BEYOND ME.
Could there possibly be another JaceBlaze? Is that you:
[url][/https://www.nairaland.com/3327789/kenya-ahead-nigeria-all-aspect/6553#87107486]

Nigeria talking about beauty - I think he mistake zebra marking on side of the road for beauty.

Shma:
the road is under construction.
Super modern
I know where your eyes is hitting.
The red volcanic soil will soon be replaced with greenery, , check the quality of that road dude, top notch.
This too started that way.
Now see how greenery has changed everything.

You want to see the zebra marking on the side - that is not Kenya style.

samorobo:
It's looks 98% finished to me...the road itself is finished with road markings on it already...the only thing that seems to be under construction would be the extra lane at the right hand side....truth be told that road is very ugly for what is labelled a new road..how will it look like in 5 year time if it is not eye appealing now?...

It under construction - most of our roads are under construction

samorobo:
Your road looks faded and hideous..why?