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Nairobi if you include the metro is nearly clocking 10m...so if you exclude the two well known slumpolis of Kinshasa and Lagos...it will be amongst biggest cities in Africa together with Cairo.

gallivant:
Count Nairobi out. There are cities expanding more rapidly than Nairobi. In fact the whole Kenyan population is growing very slowly compared to other African countries.

Look like you're all over the map. Here is Nairobi metro. Nairobi as city already host 4.5m people - if you include the metro - counties of Kajiado, Kiambu and Machakos - we are talking 10M.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7eA2ftgJzg

samorobo:
FACTS...Rvp has just being arguing with his usual noise amidst the truth....
He can kiss my ass ...KDF is no match to our millitary...and that's just basic,plain fact..

When they include South Africa - you know they are not serious. Nigeria is the next Venezuela.

obaaderemi:
[s]Mumu. Your Kenya is finished!
Henceforth, I will stop entertaining your foolishness. I will just post what other experts are saying to teach you. Show me if you see Nigeria here.
Kenya's finances have been shredded asunder. Your asses are in the open.

Kenya Maasai

And Mt Kenya

Obaboon, Obaboon. Nigeria has defaulted I think 5 times. Ghana the same. Tunisia maybe once like Tanzania. Kenya NEVER ever. Kenya has NEVER ever had any of it's loan forgiven.

My friend kenya can teach your financial wonks a lot of lessons on prudent financial management.

Expecting Kenya to have debt distress is expecting Nigeria to develop. NEVER gonna happen soon.

We know when to LEVERAGE and when to REFINANCE.

That is why 100kshs is 1 dollar.

obaaderemi:
[s]Your debt profile is the worst of all the countries on this thread.
Discussing economics with you is like playing music to a goat.
We will all be here when your Lord China takes over your Mombasa port. China is not a gentleman lender like others.

That details. The point is your received 18B dollars free money. If you had been forced to repay it all..you probably would have sunk.

Now talking of Kenya - We have gone to Paris club - for debt rescheduling - never debt forgiveness. We have NEVER DEFAULTED. We KNOW MORE ABOUT PRUDENT PUBLIC MANAGEMENT than many many African countries.

https://www.treasury.go.ke/aboutus/directorates/35-departments/debt-management/137-debt-relief-initiatives.html
Kenya has gone to Paris Club three times for rescheduling in 1994, 2000, and 2004

1) 1994 - Kenya rescheduled US$ 4 Million - this was Loan to Kenya Airways that our gov had guaranteed - and KQ was in danger of collapsing. After Gok repaid the loan - we privatized KQ and it's been flying high until recently. One of most successful privatisation of an Airline worldwide.

2) 2000 - we had a huge budget deficit as our economy was basically under recession -we agreed with the Paris Club of creditors to reschedule 300m dollars.

3)Lastly 20004- This last was the Paris club agreement- we had about 450M dollars rescheduled.
US$ 350 Million was rescheduled for a consolidation period of 3 years
US$ 65 Million for this Financial year
Japan rescheduled US$ 197.4 (56%), Million.

Kenya promptly paid as per agreement and we got back to schedule with our debts. If I recall Italy was only one who swapped debt -for aid - basically they converted their debt into development program - so we repay but keep the money for Italian approved projects...very small money.

For commercial loans - we went to London club - got debt cancellation of interest of 21m dollars in 90s and rescheduling of 49m dollars - the 90s and early 2000s were without doubt Kenya darkest economic moments...

So when I see Nigerians and the worse GHANA - lecturing Kenya about debt, china, and such nonsense - I just shake my head in disbelief.

theenchanter:
we owed Paris club $30b in 2006, $10b actual debt while $20b is compounded interest.... We negotiated with them, we obtained IDA only status from WB and proved credibility to them.

We were asked to pay $12b and $18b will be canceled if we pay at a stipulated time.... Trust us, we payed some few months before d due time....... And d rest as they say, is history.

Now, are u sure u haven't received any debt cancelation?

I invite you to check who has gotten the biggest share of foreign donor aid. Nigeria received 16B dollars of debt forgiveness in 2005. Kenya i doubt has ever received that much foreign aid cumulative all its years of existence.

Actually Nigeria received in just a single go - whopping 18B dollars in debt forgiveness. Kenya has received ZERO NADA foreign debt cancellation

If Kenya was to be given a 18B boast - we would overtake South Africa and become Africa biggest economy.

Danielnino00:
Take out the billions of USD East African countries have received over the year from foreign donors for one reason or another and what will be left is better left to be imagined ..

Samrobo - your wet dreams are just wet-dreams
According to https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/

Sub-Sahara Africa.

In terms of tall building (include those that are in dreams/visions) South Africa lead with 93.

Kenya follows with 45.

Nigeria -poor Nigeria - 10. Those completed are 3 and 3 more in construction and 4 more in wet dreams.
Tanzania 9 -a relic of the communists.
And Ghana - poor little Nigeria - 2.

Where is Obaboon with his rudimentary economics to help Nigeria when it need him the most. 50% budget deficit.
https://nairametrics.com/2020/05/23/time-for-nigeria-to-forget-crude-oil/
“Following the COVID-19 outbreak and low oil prices, the revised 2020 budget reflects an increased deficit (now approx. 50% of total budget) which will most likely be funded with a combination of foreign and domestic debt.

“The revised budget also shows that the “Resource Curse” stigma credited to our nation is getting bolder and the diversification of our economy requires critical attention now. With our country’s endowment with enviable natural resources and several attempts by the Federal Governments (FG) to diversify the economy, it still is to be seen how effective the attempts have been.

“The over-dependence on the oil sector as the major source of revenue has led to inadequate attention being given to the non-oil sectors. This is partly the cause of the challenges we have to contend with in funding the 2020 budget.”

Nairobi has no lake or ocean but it has 2km long bridge. This is the earth of Nairobi Eastland - lower middle class - where Nigerians can afford to rent if they combined like 10 guys.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDXYrDi55c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9_27Jn56o

All Nigerian cities are slumpolis. We have seen Lagos, Kano, Ibadan, name them. Huge integrated slums. Maybe the only exception is Abuja - and that too is becoming a slum.

If Nigerians had great cities - this thread would have ended in page 1. But here you're 4 yrs later - still struggling to find a good picture

And now just posting renders.

Danielnino00:
Nairobi, Dar and Kigali is all east Africa got

All those one city countries..

Take out their capitals and you are seeing one big village

Tell us about Kampala,Moghadisu and Djibouti...

50% of Nigerians are poor. That is 100M people. More than twice Kenya total population. Lagos is one huge slums. Not just makoko alone. The entire city is like a slumpolis.

We know pictures of poor people and slums.

Aderr:
Sey the Nigerians are not looking like this Kenyans. We are happy.

Cooked GDP that is dependant on Oil is only recourse you have. It's why you fail the picture test. It why when other parameters are considered - you're just not there.

GDP I keep saying are just estimates.

Remove oil and minerals resources in West Africa - and you got nothing.

Danielnino00:
Exactly ..

Their biggest excuse is that they don't have mineral resources which is a big lie!!

Nigeria alone has a bigger economy than EAC . . Ghana has a bigger HDI than any east African country.. West Africa has a bigger GDP per capita than east Africa..

They are just making noise to feel relevant...

That was before Nigeria's education went south!

Aderr:
Same Nigerians had won more prizes in literature than east Africa put together.

When dealing with Nigerians - don't use sarcasm or irony or any such stylish devices - they don't get it. Just keep it PLAIN old English. He might think you're saying Nigeria is a rising star like India and China.

rationalhuman:
And Nigeria is the rising star and Global power like India and China??
Open your eyes and see the reality.

I am not sure where you get the impression that Kenya rural areas are not improved. It appears Mzanzi started to build rural homes recently - but Kenyans have been investing in rural areas since 1960s! Nearly every Kenya including those in urban areas have a home in rural areas. I think 99% of kenyans maintain two homes.

Austine1213:
Lol more than 70% of kenya is rural

Improve youryour rurals also

Meantime, Kenya's Flower exports have resumed to reach 60% of Kenya’s daily capacity but the industry is still facing high freight costs and less space on airlines. Per-kilogram freight costs have more than doubled to $3.3, from an average of $1.5 last year
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-22/lockdown-easing-in-europe-revives-kenyan-flower-industry

Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world with about 100M extremely poor people. You can imagine overtaking India - a country with 1.4B people - in the number of poor people.

Aderr:
Kenya is country of starving people and slums and small economy.

Even if we allow you to post renders of wet dream - you still cannot compete with Kenya. Kenya is an incredibly beautiful country with everything from white sandy beaches to word class animal parks - great cities - mountains - deserts - green highlands teeming with tea - name it.

Aderr:
Nigerians blow it up. They don't take things lying low. They buried the Kenyans.

Austine1212:
Sometimes what one grows is dependent on thethe climate

You should realise the biggest avo producers are mainly around the equator,

You cant expect Namibia to prodyce rice, but maize should not be suprise

South Africa was leading in Avacados until recently when Kenya and it appears even Rwanda has overtaken her.The same with dairy sector.

samorobo:
Hahaha again you've been busted...stop stealing pics from Ontario Canada...A simple reverse google search will save you this disgrace..

The last pic is the only kenyan pic

That is Nyari Nairobi idiot

Just30:
rant on

I know it hurts

Nairobi is a slum and we dont build our cities to look like the Slumpolis of Africa.


So no, Ghanaian cities are not like Nairobi..... They are better than Nairobi.
Gradually attaining the levels of Norway. Switzerland, Sweden and co

I live in Switzerland..has more high-rise than Kenya.Ghana you're cannot turn from Accra into developed world without serious work.Your country leadership is aiming for Nairobi as we aim for South Africa.. Switzerland are you crazy..Zurich and Geneva's are like heaven on Earth... everything works like a clock work..even developed world dream of that

The economy is just gold, oil and minerals. PRIMITIVE. You think they will get to Nairobi this century? I doubt. Let him use his bundles so he can save himself the shame of arguing endless over black and white issues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FB4Sw7TGIY

Shma:
Accra is a dwarf pathetic city. I thought you know that.
Their second biggest city Takoradi is a depicter of kibera, the rest are nothing but slumbolish.
Their city alone tells a lot, sea port airport (General infrastructure is zero) that is a teensy weeny rural thatched country(my view)

Show me an area in Ghana that look like this....NAKED eye test.

Build a city like this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjjRETgoszo

And come and talk to us.

You're nothing but south sudan.

Nairobi is aiming at Joburg..and we have other cities coming along.

You know big cities account for even 30-50% of country GDP.

Now for GHANA - ACCRA KUMASI TAKORADI? Where is your economy

Just30:
Kenya with tea, flower and tourism is just like Liberia or Somalia
We dont need to remove anything.

Why will Ghana want to wash Kenya shoes when Kenya trail behind Ghana in everything?

I have looked at Accra drones - pretty pathetic. Kumasi is just a slumpolis. Let just say the economy has very little formal sector. Remove gold and minerals...and they have NOTHING.

Shma:
dude, don't make me laugh

What is Ghana? What does Ghana have? Tz is even ahead of you.
Kazi, post dar .

Ghana cannot wash Kenya feet. I know you want to turn darkness into light. It just not possible. You just need to look at Kenya pictures. Don't ever complicate these things...development is visible in the naked eye. You don't need indices for anything but confirmation.

South Africa is indeed far ahead. But in SSA - we are 2nd to them - in many things.

Nigeria=Oil. Remove Oil. It's another Niger. The IA, in the end, of NIGERia is OIL. The whole of Northern populous NIGERia country is not any better than NIGER...in nearly any indicator...even basic stuff like polio vaccination. Maybe some part of Southern Nigeria has the GHANA or any western Africa backwater feel to it..but they are disenfranchised and busy running away.

Just30:
good you've learnt your lessons

Since the 3 countries of Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana that you try comparing Kenya to are all above Kenya, i suggest you guys go back to compare yourself to Liberia, Somalia and Uganda.

Obaboon, Facts are VERY VERY stubborn things.

Kenya has 6-7% budget deficit Nigeria has budget deficit of 5%. Nigeria spend 75% of its revenues to pay debts - Kenya spend 33%.

Nigeria budget is 22B I think now. Kenya is 30B. Just think about that. Your federal budget that depends on oil this year will probably be 10B dollars

One has fake GDP of 400B. Kenya has solid GDP of 100B.And yet cannot raise money to compete with kenya. One has army force of 350K solders...earning peanuts. One spent 1.1B on 25K army force.

You cannot fake GDP. That is why you fail the picture test.

One has gazillion of oil, arable land, name all minerals. Only 2nd to Congo.

One has no minerals, no oil, not even that much arable land- and Yet kick asr.se.

obaaderemi:
A 28bn$ budget with a deficit close to 10%. There's nothing to envy in a budget hanging up there on a thread woven out of debts and foreign aids.

There's nothing to envy in a $60bn economy which is not top 5 in a place like Africa.

I know you are dying to retaliate some of the injury I caused you on the exposure of your fake GDP, but my time is for better things this afternoon. Look elsewhere.

Precisely - outside banking and dangote - Nigeria is South Africa territory. Don't talk about Ghana. That is small fry. I have been looking at Accra and their cities..that is small country.

gallivant:
Foreign companies dominating Nigerian and Ghanaian markets would not hack it in Kenya. Companies like MTN, Shoprite etc. We pity you folk.

60B economy with 30B budget. That sounds like Africa most advanced economy. Even Scandinavians will envy us.

Obaboon use your brain. Just because your GDP is fake - don't think every other economy is fake.

Kenya is now Sub Sahara Africa's 3rd largest Economy.

obaaderemi:
6% of $60bn GDP is bullshit. You are in league 2 in terms of economy in Africa. Maybe even league 3.

Besides, Kenya's economy is contracting down to 1%. Probably lower.