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AfriqueDuZuid:
Limpopo and eastern cape are historically problematic provinces

Generally speaking you have 3rd World education in a 2nd world country ..and this dragging you down.You need to fix it otherwise the next decade..with information revolution..smart Kenya kids will simply leapfrog you.

Something like this..cape provinces far ahead of limpopo https://www.google.com/amp/s/mybroadband.co.za/news/government/379352-the-best-and-worst-provinces-for-mathematics-in-south-africa.html/amp

AfriqueDuZuid:
Nah western cape is not top in SA , you wrong again

They are not few they are many.... Again the very kids you trying to undermine are the very same that make SA universities top. Resilience and adaptation!

Just provide mean scores for each province

AfriqueDuZuid:
I've seen you not even aware that western cape is not a top performer in SA.

Black white purple sit on the same exam in sa , best performing students in SA are always black

We are talking average mean scores..not wild cards.The outliers in data is noise..like your few top universities ..that is noise we curl in data analysis..we are interested in the elephant

jl115:
I just did.... Do you want the link?

Explain why you came last in PISA..exclude the dumb Ghanians. Yours kids can barely score 50 percent

jl115:
UNDP's Human Development Report

Show me rating for quality of education...that put South Africa ahead of kenya outside higher education in few universities. There are many indicators..including useless now literacy stuff..but most important are quality basic education..that why countries watch PISA like hawks watch chicken

jl115:
all this rambling and yet our education system is rated much higher than that of kenya

Rated by who...your basic education that affect 90 percent of kids is crap..and you're talking about few universities you got..where only 5 percent of students ends. Your middle class trap is firmly and deeply routed in your poor education.That why I can predict with lots of confidence that Kenya will eventually catch up and beat South Africa unless our education as whole fails.South Africa schools for blacks remained in its bantustan historical problems...while Cape province is decent..rest have serious issues

Obaaderemi2:
Your education has failed. If the teachers are passing the exams set for the children with high percentile of above 90, then the problem is with the stvpid kids and their parents, parents like you constantly displaying their imbecility.

Again Kenya education has been assessed and compared they score off charts in Africa..Kenya workforce the same..that is why Kenya is where it is despite being barren.Your empty words devoid of any empiricism speaks more about your lack of education than anything. Kenyans has best education quality in sub Sahara bar Mauritius

Just30:
Teachers cannot crack the head of students who don't want to learn or are mentally deficient and put books inside

Parents also give teachers consent to murder stupid kids like you..in our time you would be maimed for writing such bad prose in lower primary .Honestly most of you would fail primary exams in Kenya

Off to the beach but it basically the foundation of what ails Nigeria and many africans.

You're used to mediocrity; you're used dry taps; you're used to power cuts; you're used to pretty much everything.

Kenya parents lynching teachers is great example of what Suffering and not smilling means

Obaaderemi2:
How does this relate to the subject of discussion? You probably just heard the fela expression.

1) It's admirable that failing teachers are punished(lynching is over the board) - I wish Kenyans extended the lynching to politicians. For Nigeria - suffer n smile so more. There has to be consequence to poor results.

2) You can only compare kenya education system with another country. You cannot compare kenya exams with kenya. It's kenyans who set the exams and mark them. Kenya gov decided in 2015 to discourage university education and go for TIVET. Therefore kenyan exams are now pretty tough and there is no normalization or standardization.

3) Trust me if kenya sat that useless WASCE or whatever - they would beat West African by 10 miles. That stupid ROTE learning exams was last seen in kenya maybe in 1980s. Kenya exams are very analytical. Try to find online - compare say WASCE biology paper and kenya form 4 - grade 12 - exams and see the difference. Almost every question is set in a way that require THINKING - not just naming 10 things or twenthy crap.

4) Kenya teachers have been assessed - they scored 99% of the exams the kids for - waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above any in Africa. Most in Africa - teachers score imagine even 60% of the exams meant for kids.

Obaaderemi2:
Your kids in Kenya are just not good enough. Stop looking for excuses. Lynching teachers or parading teachers shoulder high are not signs of a society that take education seriously. I've posted results from Kenya of the final year secondary school exams over a five year period here. It's simply egregious, my boy.

The problem is that your teachers are poorly trained and the kids are dullards who can't wait to get out of school to go and make some money riding motorcycles.

Oba boy - you should listen to Fela Kuti song - stop suffering and smilling - do something - take actions - be responsible

Shuffering and Shmiling

Suffer, suffer, suffer, suffer, suffer
Suffer for world
Na your fault be that
Me I say: na your fault be that
I want you all to please take your minds
Out of this musical contraption
And put your minds into any goddamn church
Any goddamn mosque
Any goddamn Celestical
Including Seraphoom and Cheruboom
Now, we are all there now
Our minds are in those places
Here we go
Amen!
Suffer, suffer for world
Enjoy for Heaven
Christians go dey yab
"In Spiritum Heavinus"
Muslims go dey call
"Allahu Akbar"
Open you eye everywhere
Archbishop na miliki
Pope na enjoyment
Imam na gbaladun
Archbishop dey enjoy
Pope self dey enjoy
Imam self dey enjoy
My brother wetin you say?
My brother wetin you say?
My sister wetin you go hear?
My sister wetin you go hear?
Archbishop dey for London
Pope dey for Rome
Imam dey for Mecca
Archbishop dey for London
Pope dey for Rome
Imam dey for Mecca
Amen!
My people them go dey follow Bishop
Them go follow Pope
Them go follow Imam
Them go go for London
Them go go for Rome
Them go go for Mecca
Them go carry all the money
Them go juba Bishop
Juba Pope
Juba Imam
Then them go start to yab themselves:
Every day, for house
Every day, for road
Every day, for bus
Every day, for work
My people, my people
My people, my people
We now have to carry our minds
Out of those goddamn places
Back into this musical contraption
Right opposite you
Now we are back here
This is what happens to we Africans every day
Now wetin I want tell you now
Na secret o
Na confidential matter
Don't tell anybody outside
Na between me and you
Now listen
As I dey say before
E dey happen to all of us every day
We Africans all over the world
Now listen
Suffering and smiling!
Every day my people dey inside bus
Every day my people dey inside bus
Forty-nine sitting, ninety-nine standing
Them go pack themselves in like sardine
Them dey faint, them dey wake like cock
Them go reach house, water no dey
Them go reach bed, power no dey
Them go reach road, go-slow go come
Them go reach road, police go slap
Them go reach road, army go whip
Them go look pocket, money no dey
Them go reach work, query ready
Every day na the same thing
Every day na the same thing
Every day na the same thing
Every day na the same thing
Suffer, suffer for world...
How many, many a many you go make?
Many, many...
How many, many a many you go make?
Many, many...
How many, many a many you go make?
Many, many...
How many, many a many you go make?
Many, many...

It a cycle.
Parents pay - some at least half their income - to schools.
They expect school to perform - and do all it takes.
The school expect the kids to perform - and do all it takes.

Parents give teacher the pressure - the teachers give student pressure - and poor kids when they cant endure snaps.

Just30:


It's such a terrible thing to say and celebrate but Kenyans never seize to sink deeper into ditches.

He's proudly saying it as if teachers are the ones responsible for the terrible grades that Kenyan kids usually gets.
Everyone knows that the student is responsible for the grades he get in any exams

CLASSIC SUFFERING AND SMILLING as sung by Fela Kuti.

Normally it the mean score - not individual scores that determine the fate of school principals.
Those that exceed - are celebrated, paid money, garlanded.
Those that fail to meet the parent expectation - can end up even getting lynched
During our time and I think even now - head teachers disappear for few weeks - until parents anger subsidize.

Kenya parents are very responsible because they spend more than anyone else in kids education.
It's their biggest investment.

I wish Nigeria took at least somethings seriously - but we know you're used to SUFFERING AND SMILLING.

Kids education is SERIOUS business - but yes because the parents have generally handed teachers the kids and almost half their income - they expect success.

Obaaderemi2:
Kenyans are just irresponsible. Imagine a society where teachers are lynched because some irresponsible and poorly brought up kids failed.

You have an English comprehension problem.

The video clearly provides all the answers.

I clearly said the obsession with exams not wholesome education is responsible chiefly for schools' unrest and of course boarding system on its own need to be reduced. Kenya has world highest boarding school kids' ratio - and all these unrests are signs of a broken system.

All these issues have been studied in length and kanya is now on it's 10th year on the new system that has done away with "final" exam for continuous assessment.

The new education system also provides non-academic pathway early for kids who are gifted elsewhere in sports, crafts and leaving only the few who are interested in academic to proceed.

The verdict of new system will be known soon - maybe a decade - will kenya end up with happy fools like Ghana or South Africa - or smart happy kids like say in Finland.

That to me is biggest challenge...going forward...India/China academic focused versus Finland/Singapore versus South Africa/Ghana - kenya if not carefully could end up in South African/Ghana kind of situation as it shifts from India/China where kids are drilled to study like life depend on it.

Ghana situation is slightly better than Nigeria - but as clearly demonstrated in this thread - and in videos of kenyans - who have expressed frustration with holding basic of communication in English & logic - it's a failed system of education. Only those born and educated in diaspora are the shining light in a dark tunnel.

Ghana we know came bottom of the bottom of the bottom in PISA test - worse than South Africa.

Just30:
None of this write up address the concerns raise in this video or the questions I asked.
The quality education we all know addresses issues of extracurricular activities so that, by the time the child leaves the school, they are roundedly educated and provided support systems.
You like writing baseless stuff too much.

The boarding schools and its unrest are directly linked to high education expectations on poor kids - some of who are mentally stunted anyway.

Canning is now banned - after many serious assault cases - but during our time - the whipping kids endured.

https://workingwiththegrain.com/2018/02/28/better-education-kenyas-history-lesson-for-south-africa/

In the 2007 standardized tests for sixth graders conducted by the Southern (and East?) African Consortium for Monitoring Educational Quality (SACMEQ), Kenya’s average score was 557 points – well above South Africa’s average of 495 points, and only marginally below the Western Cape (the top performing province) score of 560 points; at the poorer 25th percentile, Kenya (with a score of 509 points) outperformed the Western Cape (496 points). These results were achieved notwithstanding higher levels of poverty, average per pupil expenditures which were one fifth of South Africa’s, a cadre of teachers who were no better trained, and (when compared with the Western Cape) a relatively messy bureaucracy.

Once the socio-economic influences on educational outcomes are taken into account, Kenya’s 2007 (and earlier) outperformance is even more remarkable. South Africa is among the countries below and to the right of the 45 degree line in the figure, which underperformed in SACMEQ relative to their socio-economic characteristics. Countries above and to the left of the line are over-achievers; Kenya stands out in the figure as far and away the most over-achieving of the countries participating in the 2007 SACMEQ assessments.

What seems to have made the key difference in Kenya are the ‘softer’ dimensions of governance. Dr. Ben Piper, a seasoned educational specialist, and long-term resident in Nairobi, put it this way:

“What one sees in rural Kenya is an expectation for kids to learn and be able to have basic skills….Exam results are far more readily available in Kenya than other countries in the region. The ‘mean scores’ for the Kenya Certificate of Primary Education (KCPE) and equivalent KCSE at secondary school are posted in every school and over time so that trends can be seen. Head teachers are held accountable for those results to the extent of being paraded around the community if they did well, or literally banned from school and kicked out of the community if they did badly.”

The role of the highly-visible KCPE test is striking, but is not the focus of this piece. Rather, my interest here is on the active engagement of communities.

None of that explain the root cause.

Google search "kenya parents lynch teacher for non-performance". TSC acts after parents lynch female teacher over poor results is the 1st results. Kenyans take education seriously - way too seriously - right from primary school - pressure on kids, teachers and school to excel is enormous .

The genesis of Kenya boarding schools that starts as early as lower primary was the obsession with passing exams as only way out of poverty.

This started in early 1990s as the SAP/Population/Sanctions dried up jobs - for the employed - and it became very tough to get a job. It wasnt until late 1990s that kenyan started to figure out immigration as options - which west africans have.

From 1990s - kenya schooling system became cutthroat competition like India and China.

Kids can barely sleep. It worse than prisons. In fact, most school disallow games and name it for final year students - kids barely sleep for 5yrs - and they snap.

Most kids are taken through that worse than prison school systems from grade 4 - and by high school - they hate schools - by university almost every kenyan kid hates education. University is only time kenya kids are finally free - and the last thing they want to do - is read another book - they now want drink and do all stuff they didnt do growing up.

Moi greatest legacy was his laser focus on education - having himself been a teacher - but I think kenya took it too much - now it's in dilemma to totally make education useless (no exams, no pressure, no boarding ) or continue with it's high quality education system that comes at very high cost.

Just30:
The problem was never boarding schools

Kenyan parents were just terrible at parenting their kids.
The schools were poorly financed and PTA seem like astro physics which was completely removed from their circumstances.
What happened to guidance and counseling department?
What happened to student unions where students get to express themselves?
What happened to Entertainment and sports?

A school is not supposed to be a prison




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DSDMPv9cSE

Nope. Most kenyans are now in services thanks to Motor Cycles, Mpesa and such things. I believe post COVID - the service sector has definitely overtaken agriculture - as the kenyan economy undergoes transformation and prepares for a leapfrog.

"Almost half of Kenya’s working population is in the service sector amid a shift from agriculture due to declining wages and salaries.

A World Bank report shows the share of Kenyans employed in the service sector rose by eight per cent to 42 per cent in the four years to 2019, as jobs in farming stagnated at 47 per cent."

“Growth and structural transformation allowed many Kenyans to transition out of agriculture during 2005- 2019, but this transformation has since stalled and remains uneven,” said World Bank in the Country Partnership Framework (CPF) report.

“During 2005-2015, the share of employment in agriculture declined from 58 to 47 per cent (from 70 to 45 per cent in the Central region) but then stagnated at 47 per cent during 2016-2019.”

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/better-wages-attract-more-workers-to-the-services-sector--4051674

AfriqueDuZuid:
No Boer is getting kicked

Our economic make up is different,

Kenya workforce 80% is in agriculture, that's totally different to South Africa workforce.

These kinds of things we need in africa -intra-africa trade and investment - not just AU long speeches.

GeneralDae:
East meets West: Ghana and Kenya link their stock markets to boost … – Garowe Online

NAIROBI, Kenya – In a bid to tap into the African continental growth both Kenya and Ghana have linked their stock/securities exchange allowing the cross-trading of equities and bonds from the pair of jurisdictions.

This new linkage of the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE) and the Ghana Stock Exchange (GSE) has been facilitated by SecondSTAX, a fintech that seeks to interlink African Capital Markets.

Through this new portal investors from both countries will be able to trade from either party with long-term plans set to see the inclusion of retail investors.

Geoffrey Odundo -NSE Chief Executive Officer has termed the new move as key to propelling market liquidity and trading growth as well as options to investors in Kenya and Ghana.

“These linkages are good as they will create a bigger market in Africa and will allow cross-border trading. Investors in Ghana who want to trade in Kenya will have a straight-through process,” Odundo said.

Krestel Capital -a stock brokerage firm has been chosen to support trade orders from the Kenyan side.

The new linkage comes ahead of the implementation of the Africa Exchanges Linkages Project (AELP) which is set to go live on December 7.

The linkage program is set to bring together notable exchanges on the continent including the NSE, Johannesburg Stock Exchange (JSE), Nigerian Stock Exchange, Stock Exchange of Mauritius, Egyptian Exchange, and the Casablanca Stock Exchange.

The program also features the Bourse Regionale des Valeurs Mobilieres which brings together exchanges in Benin, Burkina Faso, Cote d’Ivoire, Guinea Bissau, Mali, Niger, Senegal, and Togo.

The project is a joint initiative of the African Securities Exchanges Association (ASEA) and the African Development Bank (AfDB).
Meanwhile, neighboring Rwanda, Uganda, and Tanzania are set to link their stock exchanges in a World Bank-funded project which will see the three operate a single market.

Do you know how much Lagos city and it's people LOSE everyday in world worst commute.

Average time spent in your traffic is 4-6hours. That is half a day of work in most cities. I bet some even spend 4hours in morning and another 4 hours in evening to get home. That a whole day of productive work.

So imagine generally you're losing half your GDP stuck in traffic. If China was to build toll roads and charge a little money to recoup their investment and make a small profit - you'd be far ahead. You'd spend an hour of commute like everyone else - 30 mins in morning - 30 mins in afternoon max - and use the rest of hours in your business or work - and improve productivity & efficiency of the economy.

But Zoo punishes it's citizens with world worst commute - plus world worst electricity supply - the reward - the world worst gdp to revenue at 5.5% or less - despite being top oil producer - and of course now world's poverty capital - with more poor people than India - 1.5b country

IGpro1:
Woww

Definition of slavery

jl115:
the world can always be more fair I agree, however there is no slavery in SA, by your definition there should then be more slavery in Kenya since you earn half of what black SAns earn and Kenya's minimum wage is half that of SA.

Our blacks are experiencing fast growth that is empowering and dignified.Their growing the economy from agriculture that you deride as dirty job or beyond african.In a decade once South Africans discovers Kenya economic miracle they will kick the boer out.We are building modern economy on the back of smallholder farmers,motorcycles,mobile money and information technology.

Shaytun:
Lmao..you are hilarious ..just what is this?

After scouring through the internet, you still could not find anything, you are posting a link that has nothing to do with the discussion.

I don't need more than first entry of Google search for you Zoo.How did your 2021 or 2022..actual vs projection pan out.You always make ridiculous projections but your total revenues including all states is ridiculous.Nigeria is an obvious zoo.Its now has world worst gdp to revenues ratio..something 5.5 percent

Nigeria hilarious budget making...First four months..actual revenue were 45 percent of projected.Who does these projections and what are they on.In Kenya projected versus actual are very close..infact its sometimes exceed the projections..105%...but the Zoo..
www.dataphyte.com
Nigeria's 2022 Budget Revenue Projections have been Revised, it is now ...

jl115:
-nobody said Africans can't farms.

- we are one of the most free countries in the Africa, if you don't won't to work for someone then you don't have to simple, there isn't any slavery in SA

So story has changed to everyone is equal. There many modern form of slavery. https://pmg.org.za/committee-meeting/34671/

theenchanter:
Make una no give rvp hbp with all these budget figures, he wouldn't want that.

But do I really care if he gets hbp? Never!

Budget and GDP are figures you can cook .They are estimates. They are at best guesstimate of how big economy is and how ambitious you want to spend.Nigeria I guess being election year they are going crazy on you with wild projections.What are Nigeria revenue's at federal and state this 2022..how is the current budget performing..projected versus actual. NOT EVERY COUNTRY IS A ZOO LIKE NIGERIA where you promise to double spending..when currently debt services takes all the money..lecturers went on a year long strike..pensions remain unpaid..salaries I doubt is upto date..your country should be halving the budget..not doubling

jl115:
- South Africa doesn't have an environment which is conducive for dairy cattle, we have a lot of diseases and low waterfall and cattle need to be resistant to that, unfortunately dairy cattle are soft hence why SA has never been a large dairy producing country. Avocado's need a lot of water... Thus again only a few farmers grow them... Kenya in general is wetter than SA so no surprise you are growing more avocado's.

- Some black South Africans have formed partnerships and are doing very well for themselves

- I never said Boere are the only ones that can farm Commercially.... What I said was a great number more Boere want to be commercial farmers than Black South Africans... My grandfather had a commercial dairy farm, its a sh1t job, so much so that not one of his sons decided to carry on with it and he sold his farm.

Lame excuse...South Africa was ahead in many things and we heard Africans can't farm..Kenya smallholders farming is working..so is Ghana and ivory Coast.But seeing how the slumdog enjoy the Boer slavery and seeing how he is killing Africa immigrants...I think we leave them to their folly. The reality in those farms..its blacks who do the donkey work like US & LATAM slave plantations.Then slumdog turn around to claim...he can't farm..yet he is the farm hand. You have one Boer owning thousands of acres with village of modern willing African farm slaves...who apparently can't farm.

jl115:
exactly besides being a commercial farmer is a very very sh1t job....much different to just being a subsistence farmer which has a lot less stress.

Small holders can become commercial..see Kenya..we already beat boer in milk production..we evertook them in avocado's..name any fruits and vegies.. name it..Kenya tea is on the back of smallholder farming..the smallholder organised into cooperative can beat large farms.The southern Africa negros needs to realise it can be done ...the idea that only white commercial can farm is silly..boer has land in entire white world..USA,Australia, Brazil are rolling carpets for them...a black south Africa only land is their ancestors land..they cannot be allowed to farm in rural Georgia without getting shot by white racist boys

Slumdog with strawman arguments to deflect the elephant in the room.
I actually had to search few pages just to be sure I did not make such a boneheaded statement.
I always know it's 70%.

You need that agriculture farm to save yourself from that slum.
70% for people who are 10% of the population is a problem.

I support Malema and EFF on land issue.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Where did it state that they own 90% of land like you said before?

It's only agric land and at best is as 70%

First Google results -70% despite being 10%.

The growing fight in South Africa over land and identityhttps://abcnews.go.com › International › story
10 Apr 2019 — Whites in South Africa own over 70% of the farm and agricultural holdings in the country despite people of color making up 90% of the population

jl115:
How much total land do whites own? Give me a figure then we see if Boere really are sitting on all the land

Copied - these are realistic scenarios in 2024.

ANC gets close to 50, but just below, and doesn’t work with anyone and forms a minority government;
ANC gets into the mid-40s and works with the EFF of Julius Malema to form a government;
ANC gets into the mid-40s and works with the DA to form a government;
ANC gets in the low 40s and the opposition, with the backing of the EFF, forms an alternative government.

I think you'll be with ANC for at least another decade. It will keep losing urban support but will keep rural poor south africa bedrock. If you dont improve the fortunes of the poor - they will drag your country down by supporting a corrupt ANC. You will wish you gave them motor cycles to swap them with wheelbarrows.

jl115:
After Ramaphosa the ANC is practically finished, the ANC are polling around 40% now,of that 40% 35% said they will not vote ANC if Ramaphosa is not the President, the ANC will be a non factor by 2029.

Also ASA is not just taking the moderate vote its also climbing into a lot of EFF vote,who's voters have become disillusioned with the party because of its open border policy, ActionSA took nearly 3% of the national vote during the previous yet only contesting 6 municipalities... They will be up around 6-8% in 2024 and after that probably around 17-19% in 2029

Motorcycle debate - they cannot understand the nexus btw land and their immediate problems. If land is non issue - why is Boer sitting on it.Ideally because most boers can get formal jobs - you should leave land to unskilled africans to forage, hunt, gather and farm it. It requires no skills..you're very skilled and can hack urban living.

jl115:
I'm also sure they don't agree with it, you are right! .......... however having a job, not being killed or raped and not being robbed, seemed more important than land when they were asked that question.

You think DA/ASA will have numbers to form gov? That would take ANC capitulation. Most likely scenario ANC will lose that 5% of moderate to DA/ASA but will remain with hardliners who will go to bed with Malema...driving South Africa to a ditch.

Reality check
1 African National Congress ANC 230 57.50%
2 Democratic Alliance DA 84 20.77%
3 Economic Freedom Fighters EFF 44 10.79%
4 Inkatha Freedom Party IFP 14 3.38%
5 Freedom Front Plus FF PLUS 10 2.38%

jl115:
the EFF has reached its peak, the DA could maybe grow another 4-5%, but Imo Action SA will become the 3rd maybe even 2nd largest party by 2029....meaning that a DA/ASA coalition will be most likely then.