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Obaaderemi2:
The doctor's diagnosis was wrong. You suffer from inferiority complex and narcissistic disorder. The signs are clear.

I am self diagnosed..my kids are diagnosed by doctors. These things didn't exist in our time...we were geeks buried in books..my brothers were interested in girls..I was buried in my father library reading and if I listened to anything..the. it was BBC news.

Obaaderemi2:
But you are stvpid.

we definitely gone South to schoolyard pranks

Obaaderemi2:
Now you are angry. I wasn't nice to you. If I was I wouldn't call your arguments stvpid or crazy. But you didn't have to do a Fandango because I agreed with a part of what you said.
It doesn't mean I will not beat you as I've always done when you err like the strict master I am.

I am telling you the truth like I always. Again people with aspergers are brutally honest.I will never lie to be honest

Obaaderemi2:
I was organizing forums in the 90s. Where were you?
I no longer wonder why little things excite you. You are a little Indian.

If the motorcycle argument stands on its feet how come you are struggling with the South Africans over it when they kept telling you their own society doesn't support it like yours or mine? You would make a very poor administrator. One size trousers don't work for everyone, you idiot.

I struggle daily with stupid people..its my life..it makes me boil with anger in my day to day interaction.I simply can't understand how people can be boneheaded.I remember in university I was almost nicknamed..are you thick? Because it was my byword..I just couldn't understand how people reason or dont.Look at these two South Africans arguing that their rural folks have world class transport services. HOW THICK CAN ONE BE

AfriqueDuZuid:
When will you realize you went on oa motorcycle rant with no point or proof. There after try to present as accurate.

You a dweb

Again you don't need to support the obvious but if you insist I will get many peer reviewed papers.its not enough that Taiwan or veitnam do more bikes export than you do cars

Obaaderemi2:
You are suffering from inferiority complex.

I don't suffer fools.That is what people with aspergers do.I am not naturally empathic.I don't have feelings and so dont expect me to be nice to you.All I see in you is a stupid fool

jl115:
Yes.... That's how gifted I am.... Also I scored 100 in all my subjects I ever took.... You only managed 97 in math you dumb bro

You're too protein deficient to have special brain.Elon musk definitely has one

Obaaderemi2:
This only proves how poor Kenya's education is. If an imbe.cile like you could be competing with grade 8 kids while still in grade2. Your number skills are abysmal and I have personally exposed your lack in that area severally here.

I don't hate you, I only pity you. Everyone beats you here. That's why I correct you. Your fellow Kenyans see you as a prima donna and you got carried away. If I hated you I will only antagonize you here even when you show occasional instances of lucidity, like the motorcycle thing which I supported only for you to start jumping up and down like the little girl you are inside. Kenya truly failed you.

I started participating in forums in 1999..where were you..and I don't need your validation. I don't need support. Motorcycle argument stand on its own feet.Whether I am only one here saying it doesn't reduce or add.People with low IQ need support

There are only 10m formal jobs available in South Africa.

Your 15-65 population is almost 50 million.

Meaning 40 million have to create their own jobs or well stop deriding work as slavery or motor bikes as beneath them.

Then attack immigrants - and start looting.

You need to stop drinking beer and work. You have drug problem. You have a welfare laziness problem. You have low education problem.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Zims do slave work, they are not SA workforce.

Also there's no proof to your claims

15-35 are youth - and for employment - that applies everywhere.
In Kenya those in school/college 15-24yrs - are of course fewere than 24-35yrs.
In South Africa youth - (15-35) - 60% are unemployed.

Those are folks who should be driving motor bikes delivering goods and services .

AfriqueDuZuid:
Again majority of 15-18 year old are still in high school.


Youth unemployment counts from 15yrs, exclude them you'll realize it's not as high. In other countries 16 Yr old are finished with high school

You also need peer reviewed academic paper to backup the obvious
You've attacked immigrants so many times - mostly for taking your jobs.
Everyone know Zims are your workhorse - as you drink cheap beer.

Quote of the day

“there is no need to substantiate the obvious” ~ Jean Marie Seroney - a late Kenya politician

AfriqueDuZuid:
Again false claim without any backup

Total revenue for year 2021/2022 - end of June - 2230.84 KES Billion - consisting of tax revenue of 2.031 trillion and 200 billion from other revenues like court fines, licensing fee, user fees, etc.

Just30:
like I said, go argue with Bloomberg

We are in 2022 and you're posting 2020 stuff?

Your debt servicing cost for the last financial year was 12 billion dollars which is 1.44 trillion kshs and your revenue service collected only 2.04 trillion kshs.

Youth and poor don't need welfare; they need jobs; they need economic opportunities;
Welfare should be for disabled, vulnerable, orphans, old, sickly, those dealing with natural disasters and etc.

You're killing south africans - making them dependant on social welfare - no wonder only immigrants work - the south africans are drinking cheap beer from SASSA

jl115:
South Africa also has one of the lowest poverty figures in Africa, thanks to SASSA

And they probably won't

Facts are sacrosanct.

Just30:
As usual, always not ready to deal with facts.

Bloomberg was the one that reported that your country is doing above 70% ....

Instead of crying here, go argue with them

South Africa leading with youth unemployment - yet they deride a motor cycle industry - whose value chain from manufacturing, repairs, driving & logistics - transport services - would probably employ more than a million.

You're never serious - your 2023 resolution - should be to get serious with life.
Ground rules - facts are sacrosant.
Argue about theories, your own viewpoints, your assessment of situation.
But leave facts alone.

Then we can engage in an intellectual debate beneficial to you and me.

Just30:
compare to Ghana and Nigeria, you're doing worse because your debt servicing is 70% of revenue and it's only going to grow next year to 85%.

All the economist in your country knows that you'll hardly hit 2 trillion kshs this year ending June

No, we don't have huge debt servicing problem - compared to Nigeria or Ghana.
We are doing at worse 55% - yes - we should do 33%.
We are growing revenues at double digit - this year we aim for 2.4 trillion in ordinary plus another 2-300 billion kshs in other revenues.
our debt services are about 1.2-1.4 trillion - and we will borrow 700B.
In short, the net debt services are really - about 600-700B.

As for bailout - we will bail out KQ for 500m dollars amongst other SOE.

And we are planning to sell 5 SOES. Remember we have like 200-300 SOES while Nigeria pretty much sold everything in 1990.

GeneralDae2:
Kenya has a huge debt servicing problem and must do something urgently before 2024 when some of these Eurobond debts mature.
Nigeria just bailed out Ajaokuta steel with 500 million dollars, something the Kenyans borrowed recently from IMF.

Open your google - then search "Nigeria debt servicing ratio 2022". Where will revenues come from? Oil prices are now dropping?

Shaytun:
You must be thinking out of your ass again.

Foreign debt servicing is a measly 1.4 trillion. How and where did that exceed revenue? Or are you confusing Nigeria for Kenya.

Kenya is a failed state, Nigeria is a developing one. Our Revenue has been increasing on yoy basis, yours has been decreasing since 2018.

“For debt service, domestic debts (including Ways and Means) got N4.49 trillion; foreign debt was allocated N1.81 trillion; and sinking fund to retire maturing loans took N247.72 billion.“

The evidence from ASIA is staggering.
Yes, min wage, BEE, AA dont fix the root cause of the problem and we are in agreement.
I insist South Africans - millions - are too poor to afford cars - but can afford cheap Chinese scoters and bikes.

Why arent they not buying? Maybe they are not cheaply available? It's frankly intriguing if you're not lying that they are cheap.

You notice the same thing in Zambia, Zim, Botswana - they simply dry up and logistics become hectic - I have heard terrible stories of kenya truck drivers in Zambia - where you can spend a week in forest as you wait for spares parts - while anywhere in east Africa - there is always motorbike away- in Kenya, TZ, Rwanda and Uganda - and Nigeria - they are now also become as ubiquitous as Asia.

jl115:
I don't subliminally blame "black" ANC.... I 100% fully blame the ANC.

No evidence that motorcycles would lift SAns out of poverty..... What will 100% lift SA out of poverty is fixing Eskom(and expansion of IPPs) and implementing policies that will grow the economy and create jobs... Simple.

There is only one pro poor policy that actually works and that is the policy that creates jobs.... Minimum wage, BEE, AA ect ect don't work.

They must be drunk from all the festivities of the end year; I suggest you move budget making to mid-year You already have debt servicing exceed revenues; naira has issues; economy is sick; and instead of reducing the budget; they've doubled it? What magic will they use to finance it.

Shaytun:
Nigeria 2023 Federal budget of 50 billion Dollars the highest til date.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/12/29/nassembly-passes-2023-budget-raises-proposed-spending-by-n1-32trn-to-n21-82trn/amp/

Actually, it's less than that - maybe 13.5m now.
https://www.natis.gov.za/index.php/statistics/live-vehicle-population/live-vehicle-population-2021

Typical car ownership increase "rapidly" when GDP per capita hits 5,000usd.
Kenya is at least a decade from growing a motor vehicle industry.
For now Kenya should concentrate on motor cyles.

As for South Africa is upper middle class or simply middle class - indeed it's neither develop or developing - it can barely sell 0.5M car - Italy with same pop of 60m - does 1.5m cars annually. That difference btw middle-class country and high-income country.

My worry is South Africa income inequality - esp for blacks like you - 85% in rural areas dont own any car. 40% of all cars are in Gauteng. Your rural folks need motor bikes - because frankly - they cant afford cars. That is why again 85% of them cannot afford and relie on wheelbarrows.

Dont sneer at motor bikes - again.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Where do you get that SA has 14 million cars? Which year?

What's your source?

South Africa is a newly industrialised nation, its not a developed nor is it a developing, who you comparing SA to when you say they do 1.5m cars.

Which report ever said Motobikes developed East Asian countries?

I know subliminally you blame the black ANC for South Africa mess. South Africa can grow as fast it did before but is that growth broad base; or you'll have 10% white population owning 90% of the country wealth.

We don't just need growth - we need a broad-based growth that lift many out of poverty by creating jobs and improving well-being of everyone including poor rural south africans who need motorbikes like yesterday.

Again refer to LATAM versus East Asia.

jl115:
where is your evidence that our economy is not growing because we don't have motorcycles?........ We just going to ignore the real problem which is corruption and Eskom?

Do you consider the a million or a half million jobs created by motorcycle riders in kenya transporting people and goods economic growth and jobs?
https://metropoltv.co.ke/2022/03/14/how-greatly-boda-boda-riders-have-contributed-to-kenyas-gdp/

Or what is your idea of jobs. These motor cycle riders makes at average 10 dollars per day...that is 250 dollar a month if they work 25 days a month..

Most factory jobs dont pay 250 dollars a month. In Ethiopia they pay even 50 dollars a month - in some places - even 25 dollars.

And ask yourself how long will it take to create a million factory jobs ? Maybe 20yrs.

jl115:
I don't care about Latin America or how its similar to SA... I'm asking how can you say no one can predict the future except for you?

Bru... You are to fixated on motorcycle at the moment... There is absolutely 0 evidence to suggest that more motorcycles would make any difference in the SAn economy.

We don't need more pro poor policies, we need policies that create economic growth and job creation supported by a strong education system ... Very simple concept that most politicians don't understand

I always use the latin phrase ceteris paribus in my prediction.
South Africa have to think about it's income inequality beyond useless ANC BEE - or Malema dangerous rhetorics.
Motorbikes I insist is one such policy that should encourage south africa poor to become mobile.

Personally, I don't know how to drive a motorcycle - I ride bicycles sometimes - but I know the poor love them.

South Africa and other africa gov have to PRIORITIZE PRO POOR policies - from transport to finance to tourism to name it

jl115:
1. Another monumentally hypocritical statement from you, first you say Kenya Will overtake SA by 2030 100% now you say nobody can predict the future? So what is it then? How come you can predict the future but the IMF, WB, PWC can't?

2. They are also astronomically more dangerous, also no data to back up that claim wrt South Africa

3. Of course they wood, I would love to own a bugatti.... Unfortunately the world don't work like that.

4. Cheap bikes are readily available, nobody is stopping people from buying them.

5. Cool story bru....

6. What's Kenya's excuse?

I am telling your motor bikes have been revolution in kenya even amongst the few hunters and gatherers. That is why their numbers have shot from mere 6,000 in 2008 to now 2,500,000. What kind of growth is that. From 6K to 2.5m. EXPONENTIAL? Last year we added 0.35m bikes. This year I bet 0.4m. These motor bikes are transforming people lives..especially the poor.

In another two years - we will be adding a million annually - and hopefully we can get to even 15 million motor bikes - meaning at leasy one in every family by 2030.

jl115:
Yes, and nothing to do with the road network, the fact that paved roads exists in such remote places is testament to our transport infrastructure which is ranked 33rd in the world.

My bru there are Kenyans that still need to hunt for food to survive that's how far away they are from any infrastructure in your country ....and you want to say that only being able to go to the shop once a month means our transport efficency needs work? You good bro?

1) There is no formulae for any projection or prediction. Nobody can predict tomorrow. Tomorrow kenya might discover some crazy minerals and become very rich. And so may South Africa.

2) It goes without saying that motor cycles are more efficient than any public transport - at least as last mile. That is why they are catching fire in east africa and are crazy in Asia.

3) No they dont choose to be poor. They would love to own custom made sprinter like you and go everywhere anywhere.

South Africa gov has failed its poor by promoting elitist model of development. You're okay driving BMW 500C motor bike with your 5000CC SUV hunting. They are not okay.

And they will resort to killing, maiming, raping and robing you.

It upon you to realize you cannot continue like this - leaving millions poor and destitute - and declaring Malema a mad man.

jl115:
1. Not how growth projections work...but what ever makes you sleep at night

2. OK and? Some countries use more motorcycles than others, others use more public transport... Very simple

3. People live like that out of choice, those that don't move to the city

So daily groceries - they can't - they have to wait for make or break monthly shopping. Look like your road network and your economy vibrancy needs lot of work.

jl115:
Yes I'm serious, there might be small tuck shops and convenience stores but not places where you can legit do a months shopping

Okay let me just process this. Shops in rural south africa are 50-80km away - are we serious here? Your country is truly hopeless.

As for long argument - just go back to Kenya 10yrs ago - South Africa 10yrs ago - you answer lies there. Dont engage in maths your protein lacking body cannot digest. You rather hunt for wild pigs.

Anyway, economies grow fast when they figure out how to make people more productive. Literally the velocity of money is directly related to mobility directly related to growth in gdp.

You may want your rural population moving a lot faster and a lot more than they are doing so they can contribute. Economy is about exchanging money very fast. That is the trick. It's about efficiency and productivity. Produce more and efficiently exchange.

For example - hunter contribute zero to economy - but If I have 1,000 rands - and it get exchange 1,000 times over the year - my contribution to the economy is a million rands. That money has touched 1,000 souls and transform their live. That is economic growth.

jl115:
1) I want to own a private jet....but I can't, people buy what they need and what they can afford....if they wanted to they can buy a dirt cheap bike... But why would they? Its a waste of money because they don't need it.

2. There are near 300 000 min minibus taxis, 60 000 ubers/bolt, 20 000 meter taxis......we don't need bikes for public transport..

3) it's not about "wants" it's about "needs" ......tell me how a little 50cc bike is going to travel 50-80km(one way) to the nearest shop everyday? Remember we are talking rural!! There are no shops or clinics nearby, you can't go shopping every day because it isn't economically feasible, you also can't buy a bike because you might need to go to the clinic 2-3 times a year? How are you going to visit your friends and ride around town when the nearest fuel station is 80km away?

4) 1/3 is massive...... SA is 300% bigger.... We done the math, we already know you ain't catching SA gdp wise in our lifetime.....and most likely never catching SA per capita wise.

5) if Kenya grew by 6% and SA stood completely still it would take Kenya 22 years to reach SA... But let's make it more realistic and say SA continues to grow by 1%.....then it will take Kenya 27 years.... 2023+27 = 2050 and that's for total GDP.... Your population is going to be much bigger than SAs.... So please explain how you are going to reach SA by 2030?

6)your entire argument revolves around the fact if the ANC governs for the foreseeable future.... However they are polling at less than 40%, all experts agree that the ANC will lose the next election....after the ANC is gone, SA will easily grow at 4-5 % within 3 years of the new government taking control.

Lot of wasted money here like Nigeria obundu ranch or even more ridiculous one in Calabr - with mono rail and all that.
Please dont create a zoo.
The nature has given you everything you need.
You cannot sustain a fake thing - with fake animals.

Ghana should focus it tourism along shores of altantic and then river volta.
The nature will sustain itself.

I lived in Uganda - and they are doing great job in tourims - building tourism resorts along the nile.

Not trying to create a fake river, fake animals.

Museveni simply invited foreign investors to build resorts along river nile ....they create things around existing .

For like 40kms of both banks of river nile in Jinja are resorts - and activities - build around existing ecosystem - dont try to create a fake ecosystem - it very expensive to recreate nature


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwxGOic9i8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqBx85pvzb0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8cQCB6uYSo&t=108s

Just30:
Surrounded by mountain ranges on all four sides

Welkom to the best


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2aA1qmU_q0

1) Give the same choice to poor - to want or need a vehicle - and that mean south africa gov encourages the ownership of dirty cheap motorbikes. I dont think it has done enough on that front.

2) Taiwan is developed and has world class public trasport system - yet there is space for motor bikes - even Europe with its development has space for motor bikes. You cannot find easy replacemtn for motorbikes esp for last mile. The train or bus or van will never drop you in your house. It either a personal car or motor bike or bicycle.

3) The poor are poor exactly for that - they cant shop as frequently as they want - they have to do it monthly - they cant visit people as much as they want - heck they cant even go have beer in local market because it's far - they cant even go to hospital as much as they want - because transport is expensive or not convenient or not available. They remain poor. They literally have no economic mobility. Now imagine if they own small 50 cc motorbike that can take them to pretty much everywhere very very cheaply. They can shop daily. They can drink daily. They can take their farm produce to market daily. They can go hospital daily if need be. They are able to move almost any minute anyhow cheaply. These plus stuff like mobile money increase the velocity of money leading to economic growth...the bar is able to restock daily, brewery can brew daily...etc,

4) Kenya has grown compared to many other Africa countries - you say it's midget - yet as we speak it only 1/3 less than south africa in gdp per capita. I think Boer you're struggling to keep up with facts.

The facts are clear - kenya is pulling almost 7% economic growth - that mean it will definitely double it GDP and GDP per capita to 4,000 in a decade - reaching South Africa level in 2030 (Upper middle income). South Africa by their own ministry of treasury projection is to growing btw 0-1% for the medium term - meaning it remain there - as pop growth is 0-1% - if we dont factor illegal immigrants. If we add 10M illegal immigrants - South Africa population is 70m...South Africa gdp per capita...drops to 6,000 usd.

Now you are about to understand why South Africa is going nowhere while Asia countries are moving to developed world.

Africa has two models to copy - LATAM model aka south africa - latin america - or the South or East Asian model.

LATAM (Latin America) - end results middle class trap, income inequality, drugs, crime, hopelessness. Asian model - end results is to become developed in great numbers..as economic growth is BROAD, and nobody is left behind. LATAM...growth become uneven...leading to South Africa, Brazil, Mexico...few super rich...and many poor people resort to crime and drugs.

jl115:
1. I don't need a car,I just want one....see the difference?

2. Taiwan only rank 6 places higher than SA wrt transport infrastructure and all our major cities have much much less congestion than Taiwan cities.... Basically we are close to par with Taiwan

3. Yes....explain to me how a person who needs to go buy the months groceries for an entire family will use a bike to transport those goods... Also remember they live in rural areas, meaning they are far away from any shops and only shop once a month..... Tell me how a bike is better than a taxi for the above person.

4. Kenya has a little midget economy with a massive population.....not even a brain dead president can't manage at least 5-6% growth because those factors

At least your understand the need for this. Safety, noise, pollution and other negative things can be mitigated. Everything has pros and cons. Motorbike accident are nothing compared to the impact it will have in africa transportation.

Obaaderemi2:
Truly Africa needs this but like everything else management is key. The way these two-wheelers get involved in road accidents here is mind boggling.

I rather listen to data saying 85% of household living in rural south africa do not own any vehicle.
These people lifes would dramatically improve if they owned two-wheel vehicles.
I am not convinced any public transport can efficient services such rural population spread over large areas.
Also large slum population in urban areas cannot afford to own four wheel vehicles.

You must accept that motor bikes have contributed to Asian economic growth.
And we are seeing the same effect in East Africa.

I think culture and lack of government incentive/intervention is responsible - because you see it right from Zambia, Zimbwabwe, Malawi - which are poor countries - them drying up. Perhaps East Africa fast growth the last two decades could be linked to motor bikes

I believe Africa should copy Asian - encourage the manufacture and use of two-wheel vehicles - motor bikes - that it's poor people can afford.
This will improve the wellbeing of Africans and finally lead to economic growth - until it reaches a position they can afford four -wheel vehicles.

I find this ostracization of two-wheel over four-wheel vehicles based on nothing but useless pride.

jl115:
or maybe like you've been told several times that South Africans just don't need bikes