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Maybe it culture - maybe South African blacks see motorbikes as white boy thing - akin to US of A.

jl115:
asian bike are available yes.... And it was R16500 for a 150cc....im pretty sure you could get smaller bikes for even less

https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/motorcycles/south-africa#unit-sales
From the brands - it appears it expensive BMWs - which dominate the market.
Are cheap Asian motor bikes really available.
I am talking bikes less than 150cc.

jl115:
bikes are dirt cheap in SA.. You can buy a 150cc for R16500... Which is less than a $1000 and second hand you can even get them for a couple hundred rand

That explain why you're stuck in middle class trap - you're neither poor nor rich.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Posting graphs without dates or source is pointless

Mpesa did not work as more South Africans owned bank accounts and trust in them.

Compared to where mpesa worked Lesotho, Kenya, Tanzania and others the latter was different.

If you look at countries where moto bikes works the have mainly poor roads and lack of public transport. South Africa does not have a problem with that. Again south Africans use 7 seater cars for short distance transport in rural areas(eg Toyota avansa)

I supported Russia initially because I thought Ukraine were stupid to poke a superpower. I probably shared my views here. Once it became apparent Russia were drunk and incapable of fighting - then it's over for them.

I support the truth - truth is Russia is getting a hiding

vankelvin:
That RIP guy is best described as a Western puppet . He has been brainwashed totally
To him what the Western media reports is right and he will not accept any other truth.

If today US and all NATO nations decide to fight Russia none will win the war

It only became Russia versus NATO once Ukraine proved themselves capable of holding ground and fighting. That is why Russia lost this war in 72 hours it got beaten in KIEV. From then NATO were convinced that Ukraine was not hopeless against Russia - and the military aid has poured in - and Russia frankly has no hope. This is very similar to Soviet versus Afgan war. Once the Islamic Muhajiddeen had proven capable of fighting the Soviets - US poured money and weapons. Soviet were defeated and it crumbled.

vankelvin:
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This war is a Russia vrs NATO and Russia is playing carefully so they don't loss all their amunitions and Military personels

Only 14% of South Africa rural have cars - 33% for urban.
It strange that motor bike adoption is low if the entry prize is low.
In Kenya - pre-2008 - there were only 3,757 bikes. Those days motor bikes were seen as middle-class sport - the Yamahas then was popular brand.
When gov lowered waved of tax on imported motorcycles in 2008 to promote job creation in the transport sector the number of motorbikes leaped from to 91151 in 2009
Today as we speak there are 2.5 million motor bikes - employing many youths - and many earn very good money per day.

It really Southern Africa loss....because kenya is firing on all it's economic cylinders by adopting such measures.

The same way South Africa missed the M-PESA train - mobile money- or maybe it didnt.

And same way it's economically stuck since 2010 unable it appear to restructure or re-invigorate it's economy in any way.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Moto bikes are cheap one can get em for as low as $600

South Africans don't like em, we don't have roads issues, we buy cars and lots of them.

Do you think if motor bikes were dirty cheap in South Africa people will not buy them or not?
South Africa that we know is world most inequal country.
There are very rich people - and very poor people.

AfriqueDuZuid:
South Africa don't need motor bikes, different countries have different needs, our economic make up is different


There are roads in rural areas in SA, people prefer buses and taxis...... South Africans buy cars in 10 years we add more than 5 million cars

Stats are done by Nigeria or Kenya gov. You can decide to count them as rich if you want. What most people are interested are cashflow. You can own 1,000 acres but if you're producing nothing - someone in US using his credit card to make purchases daily - is definitely richer than you. Africa can be asset rich but income poor.

Most analysis is focused on income and expenditure...rarely on assets. Cashflow/money supply/velocity = Economic activity.

Africa is definitely resource rich - btw DRC and Nigeria - they have maybe 50 trillion of natural resources - but until they are harnessed - they remain assets or potential.

GeneralDae:
Thank you very much. The West controls the narrative on everything. This is also related to the statistics they put out there on other topics related to the economy as well.

And those poor people dont deserve to own a vehicle?
It's only the rich who deserve to own cars?
The poor deserve to own a vehicle - and in this case - cheap motorcycle would make their travel and business easy
Therefore South Africa should put incentive to increase motor cycle ownership by those who cannot afford cars.

In kenya there were few motor bikes - until gov decided to zero rate import taxes for any motor bikes of less than 120 cc - the cheap chinese & indians motorbikes became very affordable and poor now owns them. It cost less than 1,000 usd to buy a new one - a second one - some buy with 150usd. This has transformed the lives of the poor while creating a million job - for motor cycle taxis and deliveries.

jl115:
Most people in rural areas live of substance farming and are self sufficient

Poverty figure is 19.6% or 11.7 million people.

In Kenya the poverty figures is over 31%

Rural unemployment in South Africa is almost 60%. Motor bikes could transform their fortunes like it done in Asia and East Africa. In urban areas - again low income could benefit greatly from motor bikes.

Quick google -

As of 2022, around 18.2 million people in South Africa lived in extreme poverty, with the poverty threshold at 1.90 U.S. dollars daily.

Those 20 million people need close to 5 million motor bikes to provide them cheap and affordable transport - and change their lives.

AfriqueDuZuid:
I don't stay in rural nor slums.

I have my own car, again taxis and buses are readily available in rural areas n slums

Again unemployment is 33% not 40%

Also SA gdp per capita is more than 3 times (SA $6900 Kenya $2200)

I see your are conspiracy nutcase.

AfriqueDuZuid:
He who controls the media controls the peoples narrative... Same way they'll make you believe kanye west is crazy.

Same way they pushed single narrative of covid.

Europe is currently having a power crisis and no one reports on it because it will make them look bad.

You should know better: Kenya has one terror attack at a mall.... already they issue travel alerts that Kenya is not safe, but the US has over 200[b][/b] of those in a single year its not even major news, no travel restrictions. And guess what Kenyans still speak of it even today

Where is it wrong.
2014 - Pro-Western/EU/NATO leadership is elected. Defeated Pro-Russia leaders run to Russia.
2014 - Ukraine civil war starts in Russian speaking Crimea, Donbas and Luhansk.
2014 - Russia invade Ukraine & annex Crimea. Western nations start sanction Russia.

Btw 2014/2022 - Civil war ensures btw seperatist Pro-Russia forces in Donbas & Luhansk & Ukraine military.

2022 - Russia invade Ukraine with aim of overthrowing Ukraine gov & returning pro-Russia back to power.

2022 Feb - Russia forces invade from North, South and East - commandos land in Kiev airport - and tanks are deployed to outskirts of KIEV.

2022 Summer - Russia forces are beaten - driven from outskrits of Kiev and whole of the north - towards the East and South.

2022 Nov - Last month Russia loses the only major city - of 600k people - they had won - Kherson - and retreat further back in Donbas and Luhasnk.

Now - as we speak - Russian are battling exactly where Ukraine seperatist rebels were battling Ukraine army,

In short - we are back to the stalemate that had endured from 2014-2022.

And with major changes
1) Russia superpowerness has been exposed to be a fraud. They took Crimea without firing a shot in 2014 - because Ukraine feared them. Now in 2022 Russian ability to attack Ukraine has been degraded - and they are digging trenches like rebels. Ukraine no longer fear Putin or Russia - ever since they gave them hiding in KIEV and got them running. Big mistake for Putin.

2) Ukraine that for long time have been prevented from arming - as deal btw Russia and NATO - can now arm themselves - and are receiving tonnes of weapons from NATO allies - mostly the USA. Russia attacking Ukraine in 2014 gave Ukraine the right to arm themselves and build their defense...now they can even get nuclear if they want.

The future.
1) Stalemate in East and South Ukraine continues - as Ukraine forces battle Russia - if Russia can afford to keep the war going. It highly likely they wont be able to afford to fight Ukraine backed by NATO. The sanctions will continue being added.

2) Russia overthrow Putin and initiate talks on Donbas/Luhasnk - and agree to pay for damages they have caused. Like Germany are yet to finishing paying for WWII - Russian maybe need 50yrs to rebuild Ukraine and pay the damages they caused throwing bombs carelessly & aimlessly while mostly drunk on vodka.

In both scenarios - Russia is finished as super-power. USA and her NATO allies now can focus on poor CHINA. Russia capitulation is bad news for global politics - and we now go back to another post 1990 USSR collapse - USA will run the world. Putin it appears had used his charisma to project power on a country that is rotten and drunk like Russia and this war has exposed them to ridicule and defeat.

AfriqueDuZuid:
You reading it wrong

Naivasha - at the floor of the great rift valley - it's Kenya's floriculture, tourism and geothermal center. Fresh water lake Naivasha provide water for most of kenya flower farms while sunken inactive volcano serves as geothermal energy sources.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df8uGciWtPo

Apart from Belarus (under dictatorship) - all Soviet Union countries - want out 3rd world Russia - so they can join NATO.
Your fellow mad man Putin is down and out.
Some military general should put him out of his misery.
He miscalculated big time.
And someone should also yank the internet from you.
And keep you in mental asylum.

Just30:
if you're referring to Ghanaian students then the answer is never .. they need to participate in globe changing R & D.
It's not our fault that Kenyans can't afford such kind of education.
Start fixing your economy

When are Kenyans going to stop slaving themselves in Arabia

Now we are in agreement.
I also initially thought Ukraine was fu.cked
I imagine Russia forces would knock Kiev out in morning, Putin would have his lunch there and appoint a governor in the evening.
But I am suprised by how weak and disorganized Russia army really is.
It appears not have made much progress from USSR era.
Their underbelly is now exposed.

Obaaderemi2:
Isn't this exactly what I said?
You are worse than the Boer.

He underestimated Ukraine and the powers funding it. If it was just Ukraine vs Russia, Ukraine would have become dust by now.

When are Ghanian flocking to Russia.

Just30:
And since when was democracy reduced to how long a person govern?
All the Russians want to be part of Russia ... No one is queing in their millions to go to EU or US, Russians enjoy going on tours in Europe especially during the summer.

Yes 16k of a real economy and not a phantom debt and financial instrument economy. This is the reason why none of the US sanctions has had an effect on the Russian economy. They under estimated the size and capability of the Russian economy.

Ukraine was already trading and working with Europe but the Europeans did not want them or their goods hence Russia was their biggest trading partner because only the Russians wanted whatever they had to trade.
Russia even did not want to invest in their Agriculture sector just so they can have a Market for Ukrainian goods. But after 2014, Russia massively invested in it Agriculture sector and today they are almost self sufficient.

On average, the Russian economy/productivity is comparable to that of Germany. You don't seem to know anything about Russia but for the nonsense that the west feeds you

Yes, it so democratic Putin has ruled it for 30yrs with ironfist.
Few want to be part of Russia.
People are queing in million to go USA and EU.
Russia gdp is barely 12K usd....US now is almost 70K.
That mean average person in US - is almost 7 times better.
The same for most of Western Europe.
That prosperity is what makes Ghanians trek through the Sahara and swim across the mediterrian
Ukraine wants to similarly do so...trade and work with richer nations.
Russia wants to keep them in their poverty and dictatorship.
Now they are fighting for their right to join EU/NATO and succeeding.

Just30:
NATO will not be allowed to have Ukraine just like Russia prevented NATO from having Georgia...
The Russians drew the line there and as smart as the Georgians were, they accepted neutrality to preserve their beautiful country .
The comedian in Ukrainian foolishly got that beautiful country destroyed.

Russia is even more free a society than the US is. So I'm wondering what you mean by Russia is dictatorial when the US is more dictatorial than Russia.

Russia does not need people to be part of it, they are okay with what they have but will not tolerate anyone jeopardizing their security by allowing the US and it Monroe doctrine closer to it borders.

Russia was not the aggressor but the US

The Ghanian is slightly worse than you.
So why was Putin going to war if he couldn't defeat Ukraine.
Putin went for Kiev but failed.
That can only mean he underestimated Kiev.
And he has been running since then.
And soon NATO went in - and now Putin Russia is totally scre.wed.
That is all see now.

Obaaderemi2:
No wonder you always have a problem with the Ghanaian. If we are in agreement then what are you saying again? You made it sound like Russia could easily win the war by taking Kiev. That's the idea I'm laughing at.

You don't seem to know much about international affairs. For you to understand why Russia could never defeat Ukraine easily you need to go far back in time or at least to 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea.

Ukraine became independent on 1991 but bitter Russian didnt get the memo.
Now they are luckly - they are motivated and have somone picking their war taps.
Russia have no option except accept reality that NATO will now encircle Russia.
NATO has not sought to expand.
It countries that want to be part of it as they see Putin aggression coming their way.

The alure of US and Western Europe democracy with high standard of living compared to Russia dictatorship & 3rd world QOL.

Russia cannot win until it reform and make people want to be part of it because it's progressive.

Just30:
Russia was okay with Ukraine deciding to join EU but will not allow it into NATO and that is what this war is about.

Russia is not even interested in taking Ukrainian lands, they are saying since Ukraine can't live harmoniously with ethnic Russians in the East who control Ukraine entire economy, they should give them semi autonomy so those guys can live on their own to some extent.

Zelensky himself run on the ticket of ending the war and giving eastern Ukraine some form of autonomy then azoz and NATO threaten to take him out If he does it.

This war did not start today, it is a war that has been brewing from 1994 when the Americans set out to make Ukraine a torn in the flesh of Russia. But currently it has rather become a torn in the flesh of Europe.

Let the credit rating know this information mad cow. They should make kenya junk and Ghana B. Now Ghana is D.

Just30:


Ghana debt has reduced further to just 38 billion dollars and Ghana payment for next year is only 3.5 billion dollars.

Kenya debt is 80 billion dollars and you need 12 billion next year to pay and another 12 billion dollars to finance the hole in your budget.
At this point no one is willing to have Kenya money... Even your T-bills are under subscribed

Dont dream of ever educating me on any subject.

Just30:
no you didn't
I had to educate you that no one cares but the Russians.

So far Russia hasn't lost anything except for the 20,000 soldiers they've collectively lost with Lugansk and Donhesk people republic as well additional 1000- 2000 from Wagner (KIA)

NATO are funding it expecting a pay back from Ukraine.... It's a money hole, debt that Ukraine will never be able to pay back and it's good for the Americans because politicians are getting their cut

Russia went to war because Ukraine wanted to Join EU and eventually NATO.
They think Ukraine is their colony.

This is the genesis of Ukraine-Russia war since 2003/4 Orange revolution.

Ukrainians want to align more with Western Europe for the obvious economic benefits like other former USSR countries
But Russia see that as sacrilegious.

Ukraine win this war because they are motivated enough to fight for their better future as independent country.

Just30:
That is what war is but the magnitude ain't the same because the Russians are preserving the life of it infantry.

They already had independence from Russia so what are they fighting for?
They already freely align with EU and Russia was okay with it.

Putin never underestimate anyone ... He only thinks it's not necessary to destroy Ukraine and has been the hand holding the Russians back especially their hardliners.

But since the Americans are not coming to their senses, he can't hold on any longer

I have said this so many times.
IMF does NOT give out much money to bail out anybody.
It simply a token.
They give out something more worthy than money.
They give out technical support which if you listen to investors and everyone will think you're fixing the mess.

Ghana if luckly will get maybe a billion dollars - and they will have to look for 50B dollars they need to repay debt.

GeneralDae:
Hmm, despite the 5 Billion dollars given to Egypt by the IMF, they still need another 15 Billion dollars to truly avoid default.

slowpoke - I used that as sacrasm.
NATO doesnt care about Ukriane-Russia war except it nice civil war like Afgan-USSR war.
The biggest loser is Russia.
The 2nd loser is Ukraine.

The winner is NATO. NATO are excited and will fund this as long as Ukrainians are ready to fight.

Ukraine are motivated because this a fight for their independence from their russian former friends.

And NATO are willing to fund that resistance war.

Just30:


They like Ukrainians?
No one like Slavic people in Europe

They have all kinds of derogatory terms for them

The Germans care less about Ukraine. Lunatic that knows nothing about Ukraine is here talking about it.

You really don't know where NATO trillions end up... It's mostly in the pocket of people... Else NATO won't be finding it difficult to supply Ukraine with weapons. A country the they led to war.

Did I hear you say dismantling Russia? How are they doing that?
All of Europe has not been able to dismantle Russia and you think Ukraine is?

Something much bigger is wrong up there

Both sides have lost people and will continue to lose.
Ukrainian think it's worth fighting for their independence from Russia.
So they can freely align to whoever they like - US or Eu or even Ghana.
Russia think Ukraine should ask them who to make or not make friends.
And if not - they will take Russian speaking areas.

Ukraine so far is doing great - and it will be rebuilt in a record time - because they will get funded seriously
For NATO - this big statement to other Russia vasal state to break free.

Russia has secured black sea for what - when they cannot trade with western hemisphere - and have to only China and Iran.

Putin understimated the resolve of Ukranain to break free from Russia.

Just30:
except I'm not the one spewing them

It's actual people with direct count . In Russia's case, the figures are coming from the opposition to the war who are also anti Kremlin.

For Ukraine, the figures are coming directly from European intelligence.

How has it paid off for Ukraine? They are the ones paying the human cost, they're also being saddled with war debt and have also lost almost half their population. They've lost all their industries.
So what will Ukraine gain to call it a pay off?

How ahs it given Ukraine independence when all their decision making is dictated from the US with no way for them to object ? How is that independence? Atleast before the war, they had real independence to make their own decisions.

Well Ukraine has lost the war ... The only winners in this war are the Americans and the Russians.
Russia doubled it export earnings and safeguard it black sea installation forever, correcting the mistake of whoever gifted Crimea to Ukraine. Russia has also effectively reduce it exposure to Europe.

Russia is going to keep 30% to 40% of Ukraine which is what they where interested in in the first place. Everything east of the dnieper river.

You dont make any sense.
They are calling for peace because they like Ukrainians so much.
No slowpoke. NATO have annually spend trillion on defence budget against Russia mostly.
And now Ukraine is doing a great job...dismantling Russia for such a serious bargain.
Russia are right to be suspicious of any NATO peace talks.
It's all BS - because it doesnt serve their interest at all.

NATO want this war to go on for even 20yrs and keep Russia bogged down.
This another Afgan war that eventually killed USSR.
Ukraine are the muhajideen working with CIA to grind rusted Russia weapons.

Any energy hiccups of 2022 have been largely sorted - and economies will starting humming again.

The disruption has caused more pain in Ghana than it has in Germany. Germany will grow it's economy by 2.8%

It definitely bankrupted Ghana - but Germany is still doing great.

Just30:
They're begging for peace because they can see what Russia is doing to Ukraine and the forces the Russians have built up and are scared.

That is why Macron and Scholz have all called Putin to ask him to come to the negotiation table but the Russians do not trust them anymore. The Russian feel they're asking for these relief to use it to restock Ukraine for another year of war .

As for Biden, he's a confused man right now because the sane ones in his cabinet are calling him to go and negotiate to save Ukrainian lives but the MIC neocons have a strong grip on him and are whispering into his ears that he can win a limited nuclear war with Russia
Those idiots don't know that there's nothing like a limited nuclear war.


All of Europe industries are currently not producing because their BS govt need to save energy for the winter... From Germany to Greece to France to Belgium... Italy and Spain have it better a bit

Ghana is in pain.

Kenya is doing great - 7.5% growth rate last year; and this year looks like another 7%; in a decade we will 200-300B dollar economy.

Ghana is in for decade of pain.

And I will be here to remind you until you get it.

I will always be here to laugh at your country because you're bunch of morons who cannot manage their monies

Just30:
you're in pains

Lunatic

Nobody trust figures you spew from your a.hole mad cow.

Ukraine waging the Russia eyes has paid off.

They had option of remaining backward with 3rd world Russian or joining EU & NATO - and securing their people economic independences.

This war has given Ukraine the independence to act as sovereign state. Not a client state of Russia.

If they had lost this war - and Kiev had fallen back to Moscow - yes this would be terrible miscalculation. That was my initial view.

But they are winning the war - outcome - Russia at best take few slices on the border - Ukraine joins EU and NATO - and their people benefit from jobs and higher standard of living like Polish and other eastern Europeans have.

Just30:
only on TikTok

Proven fighters with 550,000 casualties is not much to write home about.
It was always a foolish idea for Ukraine to go to war with Russia and it will remain a foolish idea because Ukraine only got wrecked for absolutely nothing and it doesn't had a future because the EU and US will just wash their hands and move on to their next victim possibly Poland but it seem like the poles are smart.
They say everything they want to say in public but goes behind the curtains to negotiate.

Why would German or France or USA beg for peace mad cow.
What are they losing?
Nothing much. Not their men. Not their land.
Energy problems are largely sorted out.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63709352
All of them are sending more and more weapons.

Best way to call for peace - if US or EU wants - stop funding Ukraine. Without western aid or finance - Ukraine will beg for peace.

What leverage does Russia still have left

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63709352

When Vladimir Putin switched off the gas taps to Europe, Germany more than most feared a winter of blackouts. Ministers scrambled to secure alternative supplies, painfully aware that a heavy dependence on Russian gas had left this industrial nation woefully exposed.

But fast forward a few months and, as lights sparkle in the Christmas markets, there is a sense of tentative optimism in the Glühwein spiced air. Germany's hastily assembled strategy to manage without Russian gas appears - for now - to be working.

"Energy security for this winter is guaranteed," the Chancellor Olaf Scholz told MPs in the German parliament on Wednesday morning.

Just30:
lunacy at it best

No wonder the Germans, French and Americans are now begging for a negotiated settlement because Ukraine is winning

Your madness is clinical.

Just30:
Ghana hasn't because Ghana has been paying all of it and gone ahead to exchange their bonds for new ones.


Which external debt has Ghana defaulted on and please don't mention Eurobond because it is just a bond market.

Which Eurobond has it failed to pay like Kenya has?

Kenya has defaulted on Chinese debt and got a fine.
Kenya default on two commercial loans from French banks for dams building.
Kenya basically failed to make payment when it was due

Pure nutcase
NATO - or US - have given very very little to Ukraine.
Ukraine have proven themselves very efficient and brave fighters.
That has made the huge difference in this battle.

Russian rusted military hardware should be displayed in some museums.
They run to China for hardware - nothing.
They are begging Iran and Turkey for drones

Just30:
NATO is not happy that Russia has depleted all their stockpile even without a direct confrontation with Russia.

This depletion of NATO stockpile is the reason why Ukraine is currently suffering Badly.

The EU will not even touch Ukraine with a 10 feet pole with it current debt situation and no productive capacity because Ukraine will only be a burden on them.

When this war is over, no one will want Ukraine because it will be a wasteland for everyone to take the pieces that belong to them.
The Romanians will take Liviv back and the poles will take all the western regions because it belongs to them.

20 years of continuous war will not be enough to drain 30% of Russian stockpile let alone just this limited war.

That is how prepared the Russians are for a war with all of Europe.. The US and all of NATO ain't prepare for such a scenario.
Finland is the only country close to prepare for such a scenario

Most are unable to see facts for what they are because of their "problem" with western nations.

If Russia was real super-power - their governor would be running KIEV now.

And Ukraine will be back being client state of Russia empire.

For now Russia army is not doing any better than rebels of Donbash were doing since 2014.

okeysoninv:
with all these yet Ukraine has taken 60% of their land back. Russia propagandist won't kill somebody with laughter. Ukraine is going down yet svatove is about to fall into the hand of Ukraine. hahahahaha good propaganda right there