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You don't need to go to Dubai for sand dunes - Suguta valley kenya.

There's no need to go to Greece for a white village on a cliff by the sea. Shela in Lamu is more beautiful than Santorini.

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Which PDF again mr Obaboon. When we ask you about Nigeria agriculture - you respond with Kenya agri. What kind of argument is that -

samorobo:
The idiot has been going through the ADENI pdf 6888 sent him since two nights ago

obaaderemi:
Now which country's soil is better?.....
Maize Yield Per Hectare

I am not seeing any difference.Maize n Sugar sector in Kenya only survives because of gov protection....everyone knows that...we can import cheap maize but our farmers got powerful & spoilt because maize is a strategic crop being the staple cereal.i think now they have been made to go through tough times....we don't need to waste our precious little arable land growing such nonsense.Maize farmers are now transitioning to high value crops like horticulture and dairy.Kenya had to adopt Netherlands and Israel model of agriculture...we can import all dirty cheap cereal but exports high value crops and even better add value..and export finished branded products direct to world supermarkets.

Obaboon, Your agriculture GDP is around 20% of around 400B.That is 80B dollars.Brazil that cultivates around 170m acres, has 20 times more tractors per 100kms, applies 50 times more fertilizers per hectare, produces about 40% of all sugar, has 20b dollar soya beans production, GDP from agriculture is only 86B. Lying requires intelligence.Yemi Kale need to go back to Addis Ababa University for his school fees refund...and resign so Nigeria can get an honest Statician General who can relook your fake GDP figures.

Algerian1:
Is it a private university ?

In algeria there is no private university . all public and free with scholarship for all students , free room campus . canteen and bus transport to university .

Don't let Nigeria know that... otherwise be prepared for them especially if it's also free for non citizens.You still went for revolution recently to kick out old sickly dude but Nigeria are happily elected an old sickly dead walking strongman without a high school diploma in 21st century.

68816419:
That must be old figures and do you mind sharing the link ?, how can a country that over 40% of its crops get wasted as a result of surplus productions and other bottleneck challenges imports same goods?

in 2016 you imported 400,000 metric tonnes of Maize despite allegedly producing 11m tonnes in you books.Nigeria fake crop production data is easy to debunk.Youre now Africa largest rice producer and importer. You claim to consume 100b dollars of food and still import another maybe 15B dollars. Your appetite for all things must be ravenous.

68816419:
yeah...on a Serious notes, Nigeria produces more tomatoes,Yam,Rice,Beans and other crops than what its been stated

But why do import most of the same.I am looking at Maize for example. You claim to produce 11m metric tonnes from 6m of hectares but still import nearly o.5m metric tonnes of maize.Kenya plant about 2m acres of land and produces 3m metric tonnes...with import normally of 50K...and maize is our staple food as you know.The same with rice and other crops...I won't be surprised if you also import cassava and even sorghum.

Seems like a wild goose chase. The first one is a study of tomato commodity value chain analysis team which was conducted in the Kano River Irrigation Project(KRIP). It talks about Tomatos being mostly grown in Kano & Jigawa states.
area being one of the ADENI project site.

68816419:
Oga, have you checked those links i gave u ?

Nigeria federal budget...last year they achieved 50% of projected revenues..about 4 trillion Naira...or roughly 11B dollars with oil contributing about 7B and taxes mere 4B..when Kenya easily always does 90% on worst years of projected revenues.In short Nigeria real spending was about 13-15B dollars...what laggards like TZ do. Even if you factor states and LGAs Nigeria share of revenues in their three tier government system,it is still a big joke.Federal gov takes 53% of oil...so Oil contributed around 14B in revenues in total..

mtisTheQubit:
an i thought its only makoko alone.. dang it they are 100 of em slums..

100 slums settlements in Lagos where 80% of residents live in

68816419:
No man is an island, I also learnt a lot while i was in Kenya

Such a shame you only saw Indians and whites while around Kenya.Pray tell me if Kenya didn't have agriculture..what else would it do.The backbone of our economy is agriculture.We got no minerals or oil.Anyway tomorrow I will read the reference you shared coz am intrigued

theenchanter:
and that of singapore?

My point is.... when u're done converting them to monetary value, check d agricultural products Singapore produce and see if it correspond.

Make your point.Singapore is a city country.They process your crude oil and make money from it.What exactly is your point .in plain simple English because you've my audience now.

68816419:
Small projects those

http://hubrural.org/IMG/pdf/nigeria_tomato_report.pdf

http://www.journalrepository.org/media/journals/AJAEES_25/2015/May/Ibitoye642015AJAEES18112.pdf

https://fud.edu.ng/journals/dujeds/2018_DEC_Vol_6_No_2/DUJEDS%20012_Y.%20N.%20Katanga.pdf

https://www.pwc.com/ng/en/assets/pdf/nigeria-tomato-industry.pdf

https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/11/1/247/htm

nice thanks.I will look at it tomorrow.I am intrigued.I keep an open mind

gallivant:
Did you just say Dangote milk?

Dangoteland.

68816419:
Federal and states Ministries of Agriculture has departments responsible for that

Is their some incentive to lie linked possibly to some oil goodies from Abuja. Do inflated figures get rewarded by some funding from federal gov.Do you have other sources outside official channels like university research.In Kenya we for example have Kippra, ilris, and tegemeo institute churning data around agriculture.We know without any doubt your population census is rigged because of oil dollars.

vaxx:
Kenyans what is happening to Rashid kasssim. Hope he is going to be jailed. We don't tolerate such move here. Our woman are our pride.

He is out on bail.Our new constitution is very modern with 5th generation rights. Murder suspects are entitled to bail leave alone assault cases .We are also entitled to anticipatory bail.Rashid come from Somali region where misogyny is real. Hopefully with all the evidence he gets the maximum jail term of 2yrs I reckon.

theenchanter:
Agriculture sector of singapore is less than 1% of their gdp, how many dollars is that?

That of US is also less than 1%, how much is that in $

That of South Africa is less than 5%, how much is that in $?

This is beyond your paygrade.Youre are asking basic arithmetic that requires nothing more than basic mental maths skills 1% of Us economy is around 200B dollars slowpoke and that without doubt is world best agriculture.US, India,China and Russia are huge countries....so are likes of Australia,Canada.

68816419:
The state gets raw data from local government farmers , while the federal ministry of agriculture sums all these data gotten from all states .

How do states and LGA get their data.And how do you validate the data. For example if you plant tomatoes you need lots of pesticides and fertilizers... does you federal gov really validate such data.The problem like I told you is agro is 22% of your GDP which is 88B dollars...higher than all countries except the big 3 of US,India and China.You know as good as that sound it's incredolous.We are doing this academic exercise to discover the truth...and to help Nigeria realize it's potential by being honest with data.Nigeria if it practice excellent agriculture would be somewhere no 9...

That is the whole point. The trend does not make sense. It's not like you have hard data. It's not like you have drones or satellite imagery of farms. Those productions figures are GUESSWORK. And very bad guesswork.

For example - you claim for many years to produce 11M metric tonnes of maize - and you don't eat ugali - and you're not into dairy or animal feeds (maybe Chicken & Pigs) - and nobody has ever seen Nigeria maize on the international market. The only thing we have seen is a few cocoa beans after you push to jump-start...about 10% of what Ghana & Ivory Coast do.

South Africa do less than that - and their ships are all over with maize - and they turn a lot of it to Ethanol - (SASOL is one conglomerate).

And all we see is Nigeria spending oil money to ship food...INCLUDING MAIZE . You claim to be world no 1 in something but still you're biggest importers: VERY CRAZY.

My friend - faking data requires some intelligence - or well require everyone to be a fool like Nigerians are.

If you adjust that fake agriculture data - your GDP should go to where it really out to be - around 200-250B - with oil alone about 80B dollars.

68816419:
try understand and interpret the trend in our agricultural sectors.

Yes automation is key. We already do that in Kenya - the problem right now is about 51 gov agencies all want to inspect or check the containers - and that is starting to hurt again. Now we want to reduce that to only 5.

I see Ghana not doing as badly - I am also surprised the laggards of Appa-Lagos port complex have woken up . The container dwell time in West Africa (Tema & Lagos) is crazy - 25 days (1 MONTH) - while in South Africa it's like 4 days - kenya 5 days - and in a place like Singapore it's hours.

Just imagine waiting for 1 month to get your container out - and then maybe another 1-2 week to get to last mile somewhere in Abuja.

PWC analysis of Africa ports.
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vaxx:
sure, Ghana( Tema) harbour system is entirely paperless and electronic driven. First country to fully achieved that in west africa. The new integrated system recently launched early this month also aim to improve the way Importers and exporters buisness. THRU, the new system, cargo from the port will be taken effortlessly so that they don’t have to stay here and the harbour don’t need their containers to be on demurrage; it also affect the charges at the port too. It is now reduced and likewise Freight charges.


The new parking yard is not build close to the port. Some few away from the port yard. Ghana port traffic is not an headache. The goverment only acted proactively before danger will loom

Why is that impossible to imagine Dangote is everywhere. And he is not done with you. Smart folks divest - they have well-diversified porfolio - that ensure they are making money nearly every time.

68816419:
Dude ,only you worked for UN, World bank ,IMF, owns estates, malls and u now owns fleets of trucks,Sir, can I be your personal assistant?

I think the parking in such critical resources will never be enough. You need to copy our model. Automate everything. By the time the truck is entering the port, his cargo is ready, he goes there, pick the cargo, get electronic tracking fitted and he is out. Logistic companies can build parking yards some kilo-meters away.

vaxx:
GHANA case is different, the same tema that houses the port also houses Ghana oil refinery and they are using the same road. So traffic of truck is expected to build up in that area and to curb the risk posed by the parking of Tankers that does not discriminate (Bulk Road Vehicles) along the road , A park must be build.

The parking of Tanker cars, sometimes loaded with petroleum products, along these roads poses a serious Health and Safety risk to life and property. therefore no time to delay because every minute count on that road

Your agriculture is acknowledged to have long collapsed. I have checked the data - with your cooked GDP - you're bigger than Brazil & Indonesia.

I know there is a lot of arable land in Nigeria....but how much of that land is under cultivation. What we know is that after oil discovery, Nigerians left farms and went to towns, they had world fastest urbanization in 80-90s. We have seen you invite Zim white farms and give them thousands of fallow land.

At least before oil - Nigeria was known to export palm oil and many things - now you still use the same data series - and there is no farming going on.

In fact, part of your plan to get out of oil - is to revamp & jump start you agriculture. I wonder what you're going to jump start if it's already 100B dollar worth.

I give an example from my work colleagues who left for MINNA Nigeria [JayCunt home town] by to quoting part of his farewell email.

Reaching out to share some exciting though bittersweet news: I will be leaving the Kenya team in some few months to go to Minna, Nigeria! I've attached a '"Where the heck is Minna?" Map' in case that was your first thought.

One google post I found really sums Minna up, though:

"Brown, caked, dry, uncultivated, vast expanse of land; I was amazed. I've never seen land so extensive without trees all my life."

I'm sure you understand the appeal!

obaaderemi:
You always like to show how stupid you are. The countries above Nigeria in that list beat Nigeria in agriculture except maybe four of them.They are mainly rich countries and any good student of economics would tell you only a fraction of the rich world's GDP come from agriculture. You can't expect them to focus on agric when there are high end goods to make and sell.
Please,pick another battle.This one is lost.
In the meantime, focus on your 4% arable land which is very arid by the way.

I am in a trucking business. I don't understand why your turn your ports into the parking area. In Kenya - when they are ready for a truck to pick a cargo - you get a call - you drive your truck - your pick the cargo - and you're back in a few hours. In fact, most cargo is stored kilo-meters away in CFS - they share revenue with port authority - cargo that pile up in port is transported inland to CFS & now IDS (inland dry ports).

vaxx:
i think the new lagos governor is working to improve the condition now while same menace is gradually building up in ikorodu lagos road due to little parking space that hardly handle 1000 lorry. The governor started very good. Let's hope for the best.


Well, Ghana just built a lorry parking space that can handle over 3000 lorry at once . Meanwhile the port expansion also come with road expansion too to accommodate and relax the coming traffic that is anticipated

Why build a mega-port when their cargo is around 13-15m dollars. Insanity.

Stevoh18:
Bagamoyo port is dead and buried

SGR - Phase 2A - about to get done after the demolition of mansions on the way.

For the love of Animals - Nairobi National Park SGR bridge - 28Km bridge that is sound-proofed. And you think kenya SGR is expensive for nothing.
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Houses in Rongai demolished so railway can be completed. Demolished and get paid market rate.
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Lamu port - Working day and night to bridge the infrastructure deficit as Kenya project management keep getting better. Delivering projects on cost, time and quality
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Lekki Lamu deep sea port - one of Africa biggest port coming up with capacity of 100M tonnes a year. Lekki thing will not get off ground anytime soon.

Lamu deep sea port is part of 23B dollar LAPSSET Project
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68816419:
Nigga we fckng tired of these recycled pictures of same Nairobi CBDs , we could as well do same if we wish.

You cannot get tired of a good thing..do you get tired of you wife or hubby.Youre only envious because you got nothing close to Nairobi Skyline.