₦airaland Forum

theenchanter:
calm down.... ur nonsensical rant is not needed.

Most projects of that magnitude in africa aren't locally financed, u can take ur rant to kikuyu1.

Wake us up when you're at kilometre 10...Lagos-Ibandan has under construction for what 40yrs- there are now towns named after the contractor and lots of bastards sired.

theenchanter:
the problem with u is that everything is comparison to u. So lemme play ur game.

A road project in nigeria that's worth more than $500m is the calabar highway. It's a 8 lane 275km road. Though it had a lot of EIA controversies cos it was previously designed to pass through forests but It's now under construction with a new design bypassing d forest.

$670m gave u a 12 lane 40km road while $572m will give us 8 lane 275km road.

That's d difference.

Calabar highway only exist in Nigeria dreams.Roads worth 100m dollars are international contracts.They cannot be dreamed on by crazy folks at Cross Rivers State who we have dealt with before.The Kenya roads of such magnitude are internationally negotiated contracts involving WB,AFDB,China Exim and EUs.You don't wake up in middle of cross River state jungle like a baboon and dream of 8 lane 270km road costing 0.5b dollars. Algerian told you a road like that long cost 10B dollars plus for 1000kms.Unless it made of fufu and sorghum beer.Roads construction involves a lot of heavy equipment that Nigeria fake car manufacturers cannot make and lots of bitumen you don't produce.A kilometres in the most basic of roads should cost o.5-1m dollars per km...single lane..8 eight lanes will cost you 8m per km...270km should set you at 3B. US betchel..world largest road construction company want to spend 3b to build nbo-msa highway..distance of 500kms - 4lanes for 3b dollars.

The English Point Marina in Mombasa sits across the stunning old Mombasa skyline in a natural marine basin with a breakwater coral shelf that is perfect for a marina

Or this one...

Stevoh18:
No matter how hard you will try to get pics from any city in Nigeria, you'll never get stuff like these ones in Nairobi

You mean purchasing power parity? - of course when you don't pay taxes and have subsidies - naira can take you some way - but when you're importing many things - then PP is useless.

theenchanter:
u still don't know the difference between "exchange rate" and "value" of a currency. It's a pity.

I hope ur 9yr old daughter doesn't replicate ur mumuness.

That u're building a 12lane 40km road at over $600m is something else. But I still reiterate that u're currency is d cause of ur discrepancy.

Our currency is one of Africa strongest. Thanks. You need about 4 nairas to get 1Kshs.

We are talking roads like this - not your toll gate - but a 12 lane road for 40kms
https://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/_processed_/e/b/csm_Thika-road_f82ff43835.jpg

theenchanter:
its either ur currency is one of d most useless currency or its just blank corruption, i guess ur currency is d reason of many misconceptions here. WTF!!

How can a 50km road cost $670m? I even read a cow would cost $2k-$3k in kenya... a cow of that similitude will cost $600 at most in naija.

I had resisted watching. I am glad I did. It very hilarious. The laggards and witchcraft.

gallivant:
Not really, they are weak and when forced to play they use juju against one another. See here...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwm7vDOT7YU

Kenya pioneered mobile based buying of gov bonds continues to grow. 0.5M kenyans subscribe. M-Akiba allows every kenyan with some mobile money in his wallet to buy treasury bonds and enjoy interest as high as 10% - rather the 5% from banking.
https://ntv.nation.co.ke/news/2720124-5147998-xn8jxrz/index.html

Is there any sport they excel in? Maybe eating competition?

gallivant:
Come and pick up your weak chin boxer. He kissed the mat and thought it was food.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvEnooQNMu4

Paragliding is a sport in Kenya that few people know about. It is rated the highest sport that attracts many foreigners to Kenya. Kerio Valley is one place loved by paragliders. The landmark features of the Great Rift Valley provide for perfect views. You gotta love this!

The ONE Watamu Bay resort is a family beach resort that is redefining the holiday experience. It is nestled off the coast of the Indian ocean in the breathtaking Watamu Bay a short drive from Malindi International airport.

Kenya is fast becoming a golf tourism hub and boasts of 40 golf courses - more than any other African country except South Africa.

Here are the top 5 courses
1. Vipingo Ridge
2. Windsor Golf Club
3. Great Rift Valley Lodge Resort
4. Leisure Lodge Golf Resort
5. Karen Golf Club

Ours is a blessed country. From the high peaked mountains to the sprawling valleys and plains, from the beautiful lakes to the white sandy beaches at the coast and abundance of wildlife, not forgetting the people and our culture, Kenya is one beautiful place. Bliss

Chale Island - Kenya

Located in Northern Kenya’s spectacular Laikipia region, the Sanctuary at Ol Lentille is regarded as one of Kenya’s most exclusive safari lodges. It's tucked into a kopje, offering some of the most spectacular and breathtaking views in Africa. One of Northern Kenya's hidden gems.

Conservancy is owned by local community

Kisumu - Kenya

Mombasa city

Got banned - but you get the message - check production figures for kenya and mexico - and US & worldwide consumption. I think avacodos is the future - as guacamole as common as cheese in developed world.

kikuyu1:
Dairy? I don't think so-that's a very big ask,given the exponential growth of the entire value chain. Tea,however will be overtaken in the next 3 years,max.

Mobius last I checked were using KVM - in Thika town - for their manufacture. They have original designers - have hired top guys from top European and US car manufacturers - and are actually manufacturing a car. Re-badging Chinese clones of cars is not something we need to discuss here.

theenchanter:
show us mobius plant. Mobius is still producing from workshop.

We are back to splitting manufacturers by race. IVM doesn't manufacture vechicles - they will not get Certificate of Origin in any country outside Nigeria or Ghana - they are re-badging Chinese cars. Mobius are making sturdy cars for Africa - not importing junks from China.

obaaderemi:
Rvp and kikuyu1 are classical idiots. IVM is owned by a Nigerian while Möbius is owned by a Briton operating in Kenya. Posting such shows how desperate they are. They hardly own their own economy. I hope they don't bite me for this.

You're confusing - extension of SGR rail - new loan that Kenya wanted - and existing loan that Ethiopia asked for renegotiation for loan terms - for a loan already disbursed.

Kenya has not had any problem repaying existing chinese loans and has NOT ASKED for any debt renegotiation.

The negotiation with China is on completion of Phase 2B and 2C - railway from Naivasha to Kisumu city and finally to Malaba(border with Uganda). Kenya wants China to give 50% grant on that - because beyond Nairobi - Kenya do not really need the rail - China want kenya to pay for it - and also put down security - plus for Uganda to sign.

This would be like you finally get to Lagos-Kano - and now you want to do KANO to Niger border..that would mainly benefit Niger(not Nigeria). Obviously Nigeria won't be getting to KANO anytime soon.

obaaderemi:
You like deceiving yourself. Kenya has been refused extension of its loans because it is struggling to pay what it owns China currently. This is already fuelling fears that the Chinese are preparing to relieve you of your Mombasa port.You are in a debt trap. Face it. Your flowers and avocados can not save you.
Ethiopia on the other side has been allowed by China to renegotiate its loans, so they are not afraid of losing anything to the Chinese.

https://qz.com/africa/1634659/ethiopia-kenya-struggle-with-chinese-debt-over-sgr-railways/

Your politicians have sold you down the river.

Precisely - it's huge jungle. If you ask them for car designs - you bet they won't have it - neither will they have any car designer in their payroll - they just have guys who bring in complete knockdowns from China - and guys to assemble it in Nigeria.

kikuyu1:
In all fairness you can't blame them. It confirms the jungle that's Naij. No standards, regulations, ethics etc etc whatsoever.
Their socioculture is imprinted onto their business models. Are you surprised?

Since 2006 - you're still building 1300kms - what Kind of Giant. Kindly start paying and collecting taxes - otherwise with 25B federal budget - you gov cannot do much - and contractors cannot do much too.

theenchanter:
abj/kad is a section of lagos-kano rail line. Lagos-kano is more than 1300km, so d project was divided into 5 sections.

or Abuja - to Airport one - that cost nearly 1B dollars and transport 400 passengers daily!! You see Lagos - Ibandan or Lagos metro would be top priority - but because big cats are in Abuja - they will prioritize anything in Abuja and leave Lagos to rot away.

Lagos - Ibandan - distance of 150km - SGR still under construction since 2006 - and expressway - since I hear 1970s

kikuyu1:
Then what was the point of building a new Abuja.Kaduna railway line ??

Now that is car manufacturing - re-badging Chinese cars - like Nigerians and Ghanians are doing is crazy and won't be allowed in many countries - and would be treated as importation.

Jonraid:
Mobius Offices

How has China ripped kenya off? Kenya main debt to Chinese is SGR (600Kms completed and operational rail done in record 3yrs) - it's 50% concessional loan (nearly zero interest) - and 50% commercial loan - and our SGR is already achieving 5yr projected target on it's 2nd year of projection. SGR did not give Mombasa port as security. What Kenya Ports was made to sign is reserve 40% of cargo to SGR or pay for it. The rest of chinese loans are mostly concessional and competitive with Brettonwood loans (Imf & WB).

I mean you can talk about Ethiopia struggling with SGR loan - because they already asked for 30yr extension - Kenya has no problem - and has historically never had debt crisis - we know what prudent management of funds is - something Nigeria or Tanzania have no idea what it's mean.

obaaderemi:
Of course. So boasting about Kenya's importance in China's belt and Road initiative is just plain silly. Nigerians should be the ones boasting about that because we receive more stock of Chinese investments than Kenya or any other African country except South Africa. And yet Nigeria's debt to China is smaller than Kenya's debt to China. The Chinese have seriously ripped Kenya off.Nigeria and others must learn this.

theenchanter:
PROFORCE.

he frequents d military thread, u would've heard of it.

Rebadging Chinese made substandard bootlegged cars is not car manufacturing.Ask South Africa or Morroco or Algeria what car manufacturing looks like if you're too dumb not to Google.

obaaderemi:
Of course their GDP is fake. How can agriculture generate 30% of their GDP when all their tea production is about $1bn? Milk another $3bn? What's left? Their GDP max is $40bn--$50bn.

We have gone through this...Kenya agricultural figures are verifiable because we export and have solid figures.GDp sector % rose from 24% to nearly 30% after price adjustment was done by our Stats body.

TayserMahri:
Yea there are many polygamous men in Kenya. The most famous was Akuku Danger with 100 wives

To be accurate it he had 47 or about.I know mzeein our village who had 36...he kept marrying every year as he aged.

TayserMahri:
Exactly. Their value is in their contribution to GDP (multiplier effects). Even the Kenyan govt knows that. Air Tz should be completely broke in no more than a few months. No hating.

Expecting our poorly feed and educated mumus and wabongo to understand such concept is a stretch.Yes the real value of infrastructure is to be an enabler...nobody computes how much profit a road makes...but when it comes to rail that last 100yrs you see all sort of pseudo economic bring their tunnel visions to dismiss it

Africa top 5 busiest airports are - Nigeria's Lagos Murtala Airport nowhere to be seen.
1) Johannesburg International Airport, South Africa,
2) Cairo International Airport, Egypt,
3) Bole International Airport, Ethiopia,
4) Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, Kenya
5) Cape Town International Airport, South Africa.
https://www.kenyans.co.ke/files/styles/article_style/public/images/news/aerial_view_of_the_jomo_kenyatta_international_airport.jpg?itok=4quUHmi5