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I don't hate Nigeria. I hate it's retrogressive citizens and leadership. I admire countries like Ghana, Rwanda, Botswana, South Africa and Namibia - who are progressing. You can add Kenya & even Ethiopia to that list. You pick any indicator of progress - you see those 5 or so countries always topping it in SSA - they are moving slowly to middle and developed world status. Their citizen are enjoying higher and higher quality of life. The people in those countries are more hopeful and optimistic than ever. They are not capsizing in Mediterranean seas trying to escape their country. As for Dangote - he clearly has Nigeria in his pocket - and he is just tightening the grip - with oil & fertilizer refinery. The margins he makes from his cement company is crazy. He is obviously part of the Abuja protected businesses that Nigeria have to endure via the so called "Banned Imports". I bet his first business when he get refinery working is to lobby Abuja to ban importation of refined fuels - so he can do what he does - monopolize the market and canabalize the citizens. I hope one day you get to ride in Dangote jet. It more likely to happen that seeing any of Nigerian big plans in renders off grounds - big dreams - big plans - zero implementation - or at best very very slow implementation. I mean we have 8B dollar steel mill that has rusted to the ground before it produce 1 billet of steel. You cannot engage in false hope like Samrobo. You got to face the reality. Your cannot move forward with gov budget that TINY. NigeriaIsDoomed: |
So to keep thing sane - I am going to keep updating this post until we have all the data. Kenya 2018 Agriculture GDP (crop & livestock production, forestry and fisheries) Agriculture - Definition as per - International Standard Industrial Classification of All Economic Activities (ISIC), Revision 4 Agriculture, forestry and fishing Division 01 Crop and animal production, hunting and related service activities 011 Growing of non-perennial crops 0111 Growing of cereals (except rice), leguminous crops and oil seeds 0112 Growing of rice 0113 Growing of vegetables and melons, roots and tubers 0114 Growing of sugar cane 0115 Growing of tobacco 0116 Growing of fibre crops 0119 Growing of other non-perennial crops 012 Growing of perennial crops 0121 Growing of grapes 0122 Growing of tropical and subtropical fruits 0123 Growing of citrus fruits 0124 Growing of pome fruits and stone fruits 0125 Growing of other tree and bush fruits and nuts 0126 Growing of oleaginous fruits 0127 Growing of beverage crops 0128 Growing of spices, aromatic, drug and pharmaceutical crops 0129 Growing of other perennial crops 013 0130 Plant propagation 014 Animal production 0141 Raising of cattle and buffaloes 0142 Raising of horses and other equines 0143 Raising of camels and camelids 0144 Raising of sheep and goats 0145 Raising of swine/pigs 0146 Raising of poultry 0149 Raising of other animals 015 0150 Mixed farming 016 Support activities to agriculture and post-harvest crop activities 0161 Support activities for crop production 0162 Support activities for animal production Division Group Class Description 0163 Post-harvest crop activities 0164 Seed processing for propagation 017 0170 Hunting, trapping and related service activities Division 02 Forestry and logging 021 0210 Silviculture and other forestry activities 022 0220 Logging 023 0230 Gathering of non-wood forest products 024 0240 Support services to forestry Division 03 Fishing and aquaculture 031 Fishing 0311 Marine fishing 0312 Freshwater fishing 032 Aquaculture 0321 Marine aquaculture 0322 Freshwater aquaculture Average Prices 2018 Beef - with bones 1 Kg 439.04 Offals - Matumbo 1 Kg 262.87 Bread,White 400 Gms 50.24 Maize grain- loose 1 Kg 49.20 Milk - Packeted 1/2 Litre 60.59 Sugar 1 Kg 132.62 Wheat Flour 2 kg 122.28 English Potatoes 1 Kg 67.86 Kales - Sukuma-wiki 1 Kg 50.75 Cabbages 1 Kg 40.84 Crop production 2018 Maize production bags (000,000) 44.6 * 3000 = roughly 1.35B dollars. Beans Production bags(000,000) 9.3 *7000 =roughly 0.6B dollars. Potatoes Production tonnes 1.9 *70= roughly 0.45B dollars. Sorghum Production bags 2.1 = Millet Production bags 0.8 Wheat production Barley production Rice, paddy production Oilcrops primary production Vegetables primary production Other Roots and tubers production Sugar cane production Fruit production Tea Production Bananas production Coffee production Livestock Marketed Agriculture -2018 - ( KSh 497.9 - 5B dollars) Coffee-marketed production ('000 tonnes) 36.8 Tea-marketed production ('000 tonnes) 493.0 Fresh Horticultural Produce exports ('000 tonnes) 322.6 Maize-marketed production ('000 tonnes) 441.5 Wheat-marketed production ('000 tonnes) 330.3 Sugar-cane production ('000 tonnes)5,262.2 Milk sold centrally (Mn litres) 634.3 - These are reported by marketing boards Forestry Fishing & Aquacutlure
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All dreams in big plans, renderes, in papers, in software are valid. Keep dream on. But Nigeria will not amount to much until it wakes up, folds her sleeves and actually actualize those dreams - by making it happen. For now hope springs eternal. Most importantly continue praying for OIL price to keep up because without it poverty will move from 70% to 90% pretty soon. samorobo: |
Obaboon - you exceeded our expectations and you actually got to 14B - about 10B dollars less. Congratulations. You were doing great - (like we had minor disagreement on milk/tea bla 2018 quantities and prices) - but you did a somersault on 'Other Crops' for 2016 - and put a figure - you forget to do the same for 'Other livestock' - considering you only focuses on raw informal milk & meat -- But you tried - when I get time I will help you with my figures - and KNBS figures --- hopefully you'll learn something.And then you'll take us through the Nigeria most kept secret - It's six world largest agriclutural sector - worth 80-100B. obaaderemi: |
Someone give this a man a medal! Very brilliant. I love it. You're just a bloody slowpoke writting nonsense. Kindly if you have nothing new - just find some pictures of your slumpolis and post. theenchanter: |
Okay I'll let you spend the night getting done done. Also kindly help us with Nigeria figures - so we are comparing apples with apples here. obaaderemi: |
I knew you won't go the full length because you know facts are stubborn. So you resorted to Knoema (2016) that say Kenya gross crop value is 6.3B dollars (was 7B as from 2011) and Nigeria is 28B dollars. I wonder what they say about livestock (40% of agri gdp of kenya )Now are you done...so I can 'rebut'. You seem to have somehow lumped up everything under other crops. Now help us with fishing and forestry...so I know the gap I need to help you fill.We are talking basic stats....simple multiplication...quantities times prices. We are talking - ISIC activities of Agriculture (Agriculture, Hunting and Forestry). obaaderemi: |
I am not sure I understand your rambling. When was kenya economy inception . Our agri activities (when strictly taken -) as for last many years hovered around 25% plus minus depending on the market prices..it used to be around 30%..it had gone as low as 23% recently.When we have drought - which is often - it takes about 0.5% of our growth figures.But you're too dumb for these stuff. Way above your paygrade. When taken as sector ( as in Agri, Industrial & Services) - then it contribution to economy goes as high as 40%. theenchanter: |
obaaderemi:keep going...as of last year Kenya agriculture was 24b or around...26% of 90B gdp...you got dairy sector off by 3B..othr sectors by few points off.but let's se how far you get...I can help if you're stuck.Do cereals..maize,rice,sugar,wheat,barley, sorghum,millet...then go to tubers...Irish and sweat potato..go to bananas.. then go fishing...then forestry and tree farming...I can help even with bee keeping data...even livestock you just did meat value add...you're still got some livestock to do..eggs, chicken, pigs...keep going. |
obaaderemi:Dangote is no different from Kenyatta's...Kenya richest..followed by Moi's.You richest man of course is The Rockefeller family who owns you oil through Shell and many other oil companies.But you won't know coz you're dumb.Your most important resource is Oil and it's owned by some few white families in the US. |
obaaderemi:You cannot defend your 100b dollars agriculture...I can defend ours. Obviously you grew up with low self esteem that makes think what onyibo and Indians can do..you can't.You see progress by blackest of Africans in Kenya and you cannot believe it.If Nigerians had self esteem they would question why despite billions of dollars from oil since 1960s...their country is shitty looking, folks are shutting outside and poverty so shocking....have some self esteem... whatever an Indian or white or Lebanese can do...you can. |
68816419:17 & 18 floors should be celebrated by Rwanda's....what wrong with Nigerians.Nairobi alone has like 30 residential towers more than 30 floors under construction.Dont talk office space...where folks are going for 80 floors.Next time don't post anything less than 20flrs. |
68816419:70% of Nigeria budget goes to debt repayment.Ours is okay.Its 25% of our budget.We are basically refinancing our debt.We borrow 6b dollars annually..we repay 6B dollars annually...leaving us with clean 20B dollars to pay our public sectors workers well, have enough for recurrent expenditure and at least 6B dollars for development.I wish you can say that about Nigeria...who are using 70% of revenues to repay debt... remaining 30% is not enough to pay salaries and pensions..so you're borrowing to pay salaries.Kenya fiscal deficit is falling and soon we will start to leverage again.. borrow more than we repay...that is prudent public financial management.. something alien in Nigeria. |
obaaderemi:When it's convenient it small country..but most of the time let just compare countries without taking into consideration the landmass and pop size...like yesterday when Nigeria cattle population was embarrassingly low. Obaboon you're congenitally boneheaded..like kazikazi...effect of malnutrition. |
Just30:Ghana is joining proper middle class soon |
kikuyu1:last I checked we import about 2b dollars of refined oiland they do 8b...lots of generators |
kikuyu1:He also posted old cement consumption...Kenya long passed 120kgs per capita while they are regressing |
You pay a Doctor what - 600USD against Kenya trending towards 3000 (5 times) and rent is 40% higher - overall you're cheaper (local purchasing parity) by 30% (let's ignore the quality of whatever goods or services is being purchased).In short your salaries should at least be 30% lower....but they aren't https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Kenya&country2=Tanzania Kazikazi: |
Such facts will escape them. We pay our police, teachers, doctors, nurses....way better than most of SSA outside South Africa. Jonraid: |
You don't have to be in this thread if you're not in the mood. You're just heckling and distracting me from dealing with Oba dude - another coward who will start banning us for stating facts. theenchanter: |
Obaderemi - before we repeat - yearly - read from this page. https://www.nairaland.com/3327789/kenya-ahead-nigeria-all-aspect/1735#67102819 |
Is that the much your can muster? We are talking facts and figures - economic - which should speak for themselves. theenchanter: |
And their GDP is entirely Oil. They don't claim to also have 100B (6th world largest) agriculture. They don't claim to be manufacturing hubs. They don't claim to have 400B sectors - where oil production is less than 10% - but accounts for 95% of gov rev.That is our problem - where is this huge sector that don't pay taxes. Middle East Oil nations have nothing outside their cities. They GDP/tax and everything is OIL OIL OIL. Nigeria OIL sector is worth maybe 60-80B dollars - 2m barrels a day at 60 dollars*365 - and that is where gov get's it resources - and then rest as our data indicates MASS POVERTY INFORMAL SECTOR. theenchanter: |
We did this same analysis - last year April 2018 - with forgiveness - before he went quiet. rvp20182: |
You don't even know what revenue stand for. KRA collects taxes amounting to around Kshs1.6 trillion (16B) this year (financial year just ended last week) -last year we did 1.5 trillion(15B). Gov also collects another 2-3B dollars from A-I-A(Appropriation in Aid ) - you know licenses, fees, court fines and the works - from both national and county govs. Total 20B. http://www.treasury.go.ke/component/jdownloads/send/203-budget-policy-statement/1348-2019-budget-policy-statement.html?option=com_jdownloads 212. In the FY 2019/20 revenue collection including Appropriation-in-Aid(A.i.A) is projected to increase to Ksh 2,080.9 billion (18.3 percent of GDP) up from Ksh 1,831.5 billion (18.3 percent of GDP) in the FY 2018/19 (Annex Tables2 and 3). This revenue performance will be underpinned by on-going reforms intax policy and revenue administration. Ordinary revenues will amount to Ksh1,877.2 billion (16.5 percent of GDP) in FY 2019/20 up from Ksh 1,651.5 billion (16.5 percent of GDP) in FY 2018/19. Countries of Kenya profile typically have around 17-20% of revenue/GDP (middle income countries like RSA have 25% plus revenue to gdp). Nigeria obviously is cooked because they have 6% revenue to GDP - you can see it's cooked nearly 3 times!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio If you want to know a country that cooks it's data - there are SO MANY data points you can use to verify. You cannot claim for example to be 400B dollar economy - and have a gov budget & expenditure similar to Kenya (100B) economy. Show me any other country that has your tiny budget - Algeria are nearly 100B dollars budget with South Africa and Egypts.If you claim kenya's GDP is 50B or 40B - then kenya govs has taken 50% from the economy - which would be crazy - because kenya tax rate is max 30% (Income) & (VAT 16%) for the formal sector only.obaaderemi: |
obaaderemi:When you're serious let me know.I will let you heckle a little bit.I already did this a year a go...sector to sector.Kenya total gov revenues are more than 20B... annually and you think that comes from which economy. |
samorobo:of course we would be happy if we didn't have poor neighbor exporting disabled people and witches to us.If they get their act together our trade with them will improve.We will be able to sell more to prosperous Tanzanian.For once we would be able to buy LNG cheaply like Ghana does with Nigeria. |
What an emotional wreck.Nigeria will not emerge from the deep hole of poverty anytime soon samorobo: |
obaaderemi:I went back pages and saw nothing of note you wrote genius.Just a picture of old cement consumption data. |
theenchanter:40km can cost anything the designers want it to cost.It could cost 1m dollars if we lay gravel on it.It could cost 1b dollars if we built 12 lanes each side like you find in South Korea or China.Just like a house you can easily get unit cost per sq metre..for low,medium and high class finish. |
theenchanter:Who cares about deposits.Nigeria has 20 trillion dollars of minerals deposit ..only second to Congo.But both lead in world poverty.Your import bitumen and refined oil.I dreamt of being a NASA astronaut but I am not.Reality. |
theenchanter:You said Nigerians roads are cheaper...than Kenya and I showed you here such roads are internationally competitive.Show us 0.5b dollars Calabar highway that is 8 lanes and 270km long.Pictures.Of cheapest expressway in planet earth in the Nigeria jungle. |
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-- But you tried - when I get time I will help you with my figures - and KNBS figures --- hopefully you'll learn something.
