₦airaland Forum

With all your gold since 15th century and now oil, you should be way richer but every time I check the data - I dont see any much difference with kenya - the per capita is almost the same at 2,200usd.

There are countries that I respect like Botswana and Namibia - those are middle class - Ghana - please pay debt first. You dont impress me at all.

vaxx:
An average Ghanaian is richer than an average kenya . An average Ghanaian enjoys basic of social life than a middle income kenya earner . More socialize as well and well open up to the global world . We aren't a villager here.remember many Kenya are largely in rural area , that is about 70 percent.

Why is race not an issue when we are talking south africa economy? It's the elephant in the room. You've had centuries of privelege sitting on the poor weak Khoisan and the data speak for itself.

South Africans blacks unemployment is almost 50% - the Boer unemployment is 7%. The income disparity staggering.

Here you're ordering a custom-made sprinter while your friend is stuck in soweto slums without much upward mobility.

jl115:
jeezez why you Kenyans always resort to race when you lost a debate ?

That 63 million Nigeria makes regular crypto transaction is implausible. That is my own take based purely on common sense and heavy dose of distrust of cryptos generally.

GeneralDae:
Bloomberg is not plausible or credible?
Enaira has not even gained traction and people's love for cryptocurrency is one of the major reasons.
You are fvcking hilarious.

Doesnt look plausible or credible. I guess they have taken e-naira to be crypto currency

GeneralDae:
Nigeria has the highest % per adult population on Crypto transactions globally.

And south african blacks should be rich - and you should be in holland driving your bicyle if it was anywhere else in africa - but you have subdued the Khoisans - the weakest of black race after Ghanians.

Now the majority blacks fair no better than barren resource dry kenya - yet nature has blessed them with incredible mineral resources.

South Africa is Saudi Arabia of minerals.

jl115:
OK and?

The 1% need motor bikes. I am not worried abou them. I got enough worries already. In your derision of motor bikes - you're missing out. It's not kenya that is missing. Kenya is filling gaps in their transport services while providing employment to a million riders.

AfriqueDuZuid:
People in traditional housing occounts for less than 1% mostly in the Eastern cape

Public transport is readily available, don't worry

Nairaland mad troll. Why dont you shut up for at least an hour.

Just30:
please don't make the guy starts crying

I dont see a road here.
Secondly how many of 50% of South Africa in rural area afford cars.
They can easily afford motor bikes.
And their lives will improve.
But you're ready to defend the Boer economy while you live in shackle in Soweto slums.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Rural places have tarred roads, proper roads their are accessible SA

You see East African countries are very rural and underdeveloped, starting with Kenya which is 70% rural, Rwanda 90% rural, Uganda 80% rural, Sudan same only Tanzania 60%rural....

Where do you think 750 000km Road network is carved, again public transportation is available everywhere,

Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland, and Lesotho are fine ....those are SACU members

Reserve some sorrow for your broke country - gold and oil producer - that has gone belly up. How does it even make sense.

Just30:
the day I saw Kenyans even use bicycles as public transport, you pay and hop on the back of someone riding.... I felt sad for you guys

Mad cow ->It's one of the biggest sovereign bond defaults of 2022, if hardly unexpected: Ghana announced Monday that it would no longer service most it debt.

Just30:
Well Ghana hasn't yet ... That's why you're still waiting for us to.

Kenya has and has been doing so for two years already, as well as doing carry forward... Till 2060, Kenya will not be able to reduce it 140% 2 item consumption of revenue looting at how your deficit keeps increasing.

Good luck with the economic mess you're in

I have no problem with traditional housing - I have a problem with sick being transported in wheelbarrow. Wheel barrows are not mode of transport. In kenya before we allowed duty free entry of motor bikes somewhere in 2010 - they were a rarity. But now they are life savers esp in remote rural areas. And they have provided a million job.

And that is what you're missing - because while the Boer can afford 4WD pickup - your mother there is being wheeled by your father in a wheelbarrow.

And you're here claiming motor bikes was never a mode of transport - why dont you walk then?

AfriqueDuZuid:
That's Eastern Cape traditional housing... They don't need to change their housing as its part of the wild coast tourism. Those people have preserved their way of life.

Countries protect their heritage by preserving ceitain traditions.

Motorbikes has never been our mode of transport, people buy cars,

I think South Africa need more motor bikes especially in it's rural areas. I find your derision of countries that have adopted motor bikes condescending and ignorant. Many southern africa countries including poor Zambia could do with motor bike revolution like happened in east africa - that has filled critical transport gaps.

And once again South Africa is a not a rich country - it's mostly black people live in squalor.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Those houses are traditional housing in Eastern Cape, they situated next to the sea. Inland we don't have those type of housing

Pickup trucks sells like hotcakes, rangers, Hilux, Dmax, amarock, navara.... All terrain.

RVP you ground up, you should act like it if you behave like that how is vaxx supposed to behave? Your kids, your work, your parents don't matter in here

Again I have never seen those kinda houses, haven't been to the Eastern Cape yet

The usual madness started early. Zambia that defaulted - two year ago - are yet to conclude their debt restructuring as creditors refuse to play ball. You're in for a long economic darkness. Till 2040.

Just30:
Cry of a guy from a poor country that can't provide better options for it citizens hence they have to rely on terrible ways of transport

They are used as public transport buses in Germany, Poland, Romania, USA, Austria, France and etc.

Go pay your debt and stop defaulting and doing carry forward ..

Broke Kenya can't provide good options of transportation for Kenyans

Why are taxis not common in Kenya such that your next option goes straight down the pit to motorcycles?

They are not used as public transport anywhere except poor country like Ghana that buys 30yr old such car.
First eliminate 30yr old cars in your roads.
Secondly at least define the enviromental standards for you cars.

okay scratch all that.

First nobody take advice from poor and broke countries.

First pay debt....then we talk in 2040....we are really wasting time talking to a broke country

Just30:
do you even know a Sprinter van?
This is the most common version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5RkxL9LazM
2500 and the longer type of it.

If you have mass capacity vans and invested in creating freeways without traffic intersections, you wouldnt be having much traffic congestions for you to be thinking backward that putting 500,000 motorbikes on the road to carry one passenger each is more beneficial than putting 50,000 vans to carry 500,000 people.

Urban mobility does not require backward thinking

Sorry, we don't think backward like that

The South Africa rural being transported in wheelbarrow - as he deride motorbikes

Sound like a lame excuse.
Sprinter vans were not designed for public transport but you convert them to Trotos - same case south african convert vans to public taxi.
Motor bikes can be electrified and organized like Rwanda has done.
They are great in beating traffic jams, accessing remote areas and providing employment to millions.

You wont be broke like now if you embraced such common sensical approach to issues.

Just30:
yes
The Sprinter vans and ,207s we use here are use for public transportation outside.... It has mass capacity hence economical with less footprint.

Motorcycles are a nuisance, environmental mess and complete road rage.

In Ghana we only permit them in our northern poor areas.

That is why they are going electrical - next excuse. How is travelling in upcountry south africa like? Must be difficult. If you had motor bike transport services - your rural areas wont look desolate.

This is how your mother house look like in rural south africa - and you're here denigrating motor bikes.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Pollution, reduced air quantity, etc

How is using motor bike for public transport a problem or an issue? They are meant for transportation. In kenya they employ close to a million people and is critical industry providing critical transport service.

The Trotos you use in Ghana - are they used for public transport outside Ghana

Just30:
yes in poorer countries like Kenya so you guys can use it for public transportation... Europe and US doesn't allow such nonsense

Europe and US are Veitnam and Cambodia market for bicycles and motor cycles. Veitnam alone does close to 12b. Way more than South Africa does in MV. The world is changing.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Motor bikes are notorious in conjested poorer countries Uganda, Rwanda, Congo, India, Myanmar, poorer sides in east Asia, and South America

Never lie and say motor bikes are bough in developed world.

Bicycle lanes have been tried and tested they don't work with exception to Netherlands and japan

Now why has vehicle production reduced from high of 500-600k to now 300k - covid? eskom?

AfriqueDuZuid:
Ford invested $1billion improving and upgrading its plants in Pretoria, components facility which will also aid Nissan

Rosslyn, Pretoria has improved injected money to make itself the continents single largest automotive industrial park

That's where companies like Kromberg(focus on German brands, and RG brose (VW, rolls Royce Toyota etc components/electronics/wiring) comes in

VW is next to a steel plant in Eastern Cape

Okay that huge progress.

jl115:
yes that's for the industry, we have a number of assembly plants, however the specific models I mentioned are almost entirely manufactured in SA

2017. It's IFC. Now what has happened since then to improve local content?

AfriqueDuZuid:
How old is your article?

Most people buying motor bikes and bicycles are in developed world - where highways are giving way to bicycle lanes.

Just30:
Rant of an ignoramus.... Motorcycles are left for poor people from bankrupt nations like Kenya who have no option but

Kenya is too poor such that it has to rely on such backwardness.

If everyone where to use motorcycle, I'm not sure you'll have a place to step

How much is local component? Seem the industry on average at 30%.

The auto industry—South Africa’s largest manufacturing sector—is a major employer at its assembly plants, and through suppliers of goods and services required by global vehicle manufacturers. Yet today local content accounts on average for about one-third of each vehicle produced in South Africa. IFC estimates that raising that share of local content to 45 percent could inject $4 billion into the local economy and support 80,000 more jobs over the next three years.
https://pressroom.ifc.org/all/pages/PressDetail.aspx?ID=16072

jl115:
BMW X3 , Ford Ranger, Ford Everest, Mercedes C - class, Toyota Hilux, Toyota Fortuner, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Quantum, VW Polo, VW Polo vivo, VW Polo gti, Izusu Dmax, Nissan Np300, Mahindra pickup

And no they ain't assembly plants, we got them to

The future is actually motorcyle - Veitnam export 12B dollars worth of them. I hope we focus there and EV. For employment - we need heavy steel industry.

So I would say 1) spare parts 2) motor cycles 3) EV for cars & buses and 4) heavy passenger and goods vehicles. We have established the foundation for all these - we just need accelerate the next 5yrs.

Bankrupt Ghana - pay debt first. Nobody will invest in a bankrupt country.

Just30:
Ghana has already taken off... You're still dealing with assembling motorbikes

Focus on that infancy

Those are cheap chinese imports.
Kenya manufacture very high quality flatbeds, tipper, topper and all of those type that are used in whole of eastern africa region.
Bhachu is gold standard in the region

Just30:
Flatbeds and etc

Like I said you have infant industry - kenya is ready to take off. You need like 20yrs.

Just30:
many of the other assemblers I didn't mention

They are banned from this year though I think some folks went to court. Buses and Trucks can no longer be imported as used.

“Kebs wishes to inform all stakeholders and the general public that effective July 1, 2022, all used passenger minibuses, midibuses, large buses, single articulated and bi-articulated business and double-decker buses shall not be allowed for importation into the country,” said Kebs adding that the move comes after the ...

This shot in the arm of assemblers - they are going to get huge chunk of the market.

And now that we got our own steel manufacturing plant - though quality still an issue I hear - we might be on start.

We import almost 600M dollars worth of steel from South Africa - the major import from them - but with Devki steel turning iron ore to steel billet we are making baby steps.

NTSA:
It's like the government makes the importation of buses into the country expensive thus promoting local assembly.

They cannot even make nuts and bolts.

AfriqueDuZuid:
I hope he sees that installed capacity is not what's actually produced

If you use the creativity and energy on your funerals - to make even a bicycle - maybe in 30yrs - you will come near kenya MV industry.

23 Sept 2022 — NAIROBI, Kenya, Sep 23 – Kenyan-made exide batteries worth Sh9.3million landed in the Port of Tema, Ghana on Friday marking the country's ...

Just30:
Most of our assemblers are doing CKD and are mostly for the Ghanaian market until they are done with their expansion to a combine utilisation capacity of 60,000 as both local and export demand keep increasing

Matatu industry that convert this to that.

There are numerous body fabricators who are at the core of the matatu creativity in the PSV sector. They come up with the intricate designs that entrepreneurs in the sector pay additional cost

When it come to MV spares - kenya manufacture thing like oil filters and bla bla for like 10 countries all the way down to Zambia.

Batteries recently landed in Ghana

Kenya has very many building blocks to build a successful MV industry.

Few more things

We started banning any vehicle longer than 7 feet from being imported as second hand. Most used spare parts are already banned in kenya.

Kenya MV just need to finally ban used cars - and vroom to 150,000 cars and a million motor cyles.