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It matters a lot. Those indians repatriate their earning to India.
Kenya-India invest in Kenya - because this is their home - they wont even fit in India - they have lived here for 130yrs - speak swahili.
The main beneficiary of Dangote manufacturing is therefore 1) Dangote 2) Indian foreign workers earning top dollar 3) lastly Nigerian in low cadre jobs. The economy suffers as he sell things very expensively.

In kenya biggest player is Kenya gov - followed by investors of all shades.

I really doubt there is a lot of repatriation of profit out of Kenya - except by few Western companies - old ones - like Unilivers.

GeneralDae:
Okay it doesn't matter whether or not they bring Indians or foreigners to work, the Nigerians own these companies listed in Nigeria not Indians or the foreigners. Big difference.

Dangote Cement
BUA Cement
BUA Foods
Seplat
Zenith Bank

All amongst the top 8 businesses in Nigeria.

1) Dangote - Salt merchant get import bans - bring Indians to manufacture for him - when not stealing cement plant from Kogi state
2) MTN - South African company.

Kenya biggest company is
1)Safaricom own by Kenya gov/public/vodafone.
2) EABL - owned by Kenyans & Diageo
3) Equity Bank - owned by Kenya & others.
4) KCB - owned by Keny gov/kenyans.

Etc etc - In kenya biggest player is mostly kenya gov - which owns everything everywhere including Hilton Hotel - name it. Unlike Nigeria who privatized companies and gave them to Dangotes completely - kenya SOES - those privatized - kenya gov always retain shareholding. Rarely was companies sold 100% - so kenya gov is in almost every business you can imagine.

Indians in kenya - are in manufacturing. This is because they were banned from retail trade - or dukawallas - in 1967.

I think in almost top 200 companies in kenya is in plant - from sugar plant, cements, hotels, banks, telcom, name it - kenya gov is all over.

GeneralDae:
Nah it just means the worth of their businesses in Nigeria are not bigger than the top Nigerian businesses. These are amongst the top six firms in Nigeria:

Dangote Cement (soon Dangote refinery would top this)
MTN Nigeria
BUA Cement
BUA Foods

Seplat should also be amongst the top five if I'm not mistaken.

No Indian firm in Nigeria comes close to this.

Why would an Indian be in list of richest of Nigeria. They take their wealth to India and feature in India list. The same with Lebanese. We are talkin about kenyans - on 5th generation - of Indian descent - versus Indian in Nigeria. Big difference.

68816419:
Although there are over 300,000 Indians in Nigeria and they are all doing well as laborers, we really don't have problems with genuine Indians who don't think they are better than black people. Instead, our problems are with Indians' tendency to be racist and the fact that we Nigerians can accomplish more than they can. and Even though they arrived in Nigeria before it became independent, Lebanese and Indians have never been on the list of the richest 1000 Nigerians and they never will. You must also be aware that only 5% of Indians who live in Nigeria own their homes.

Of course it could work in small countries but remember Somali is one tribe/language/religion - and they still fight. So this has to go in tandem with other things. Tanzania has less tribalism than Kenya but is less progressive or developed than Kenya. Basically you need to fix all the aspect - social, political, economic

Kazikazi:
I salute Kagame on the issue of tribes.what is even impressing me more is,þhis kagame copied Tanzania on how to crash tribalism.But Tanzania didn't go as far as to outlaw it completely. In Tanzania, they still ask u to tell your tribe when applying for ID,passports, etc.But Rwanda have actually done much more,I hope it bear better results so other shitholes who are still having these tribal clashes may learn if they have an inch of a brain.It's stupid in today's world for someone hating another based on tribal lines.You even get some fools voting for another bigger fool just because a bigger fool is ftom their tribe

Ohoo please Get grip of yourself.

The Largest vertically integrated group in the aluminium field in Nigeria and in West Africa ... Tower Aluminium Group is a pioneering leader in aluminium products is owned by a Kenya-Indian.

This multinational with manufacturing operations worldwide that started in Kenya and still has Kenya as it's HQ. That is what happen when you're progressive nation. Not a zoo.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5bc8924fb9144917ed082349/t/5f57a3ad416c7273cd93a872/1599579057401/Chandarias.pdf

68816419:
1. Nigerians acquired Telekom Kenya , the oldest telecommunications provider in Kenya.
2. The largest IT center in Kenya is I-Hub; it was purchased by black Nigerians.
3. Kenya's Sidian Bank and the Transnational Bank of Kenya. (Kenya's oldest banks) — now Access banks , which are currently earning profits instead of losses

Shaolin gang have created gold plated villages in China. They definitely projecting. The kenya-Indians live, die, invest and new generation continue in kenya.

kikuyu1:
OMFG!? Lebanese have built a fkn village of MANSIONS back home off of their Naij biz operations! Did I speak too soon?








https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/node/62111

The whole FKN world knows of Miziara it seems apart from Naijjans!




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/jpvjbp/the-sensational-architecture-of-the-strangest-village-in-lebanon



Stop projecting and tell me honestly, (at least try!) how many Naijjans live like this?

Meanwhile
Stabilizing the cost of Living.

A quick check in the supermarkets shows the price of basic commodities has drastically gone down in Kenya in the last one month.

For the first time, in over 1 year the price of cooking oil is down by 55% , UNGA down by at least 30%
Cooking gas

Nairobi before a million units are built

I saw.

Just40:
crazy kid

You think Tema is that slummy shit you live in ee

You are also ranked the most dirtiest city for many years now
Combine the two.
You have the answer
People are paying so much to avoid cholera.
The mad cow today posted video of Tema refinery.
Everywhere I saw was slimy slum

vankelvin:
Now you are acting like a sissy
Accra has been ranked expensive city for many years now and it's not news .

Laugh out loud The usual

68816419:
But our banks and tech companies are cashing out ?

It will be commissioned in 2030 earliest.

68816419:
Another port recently got approved and work has commenced

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwxhLRsxMh4

No Nigeria company can thrive in Kenya. Not one. Just move to somewhere where quality of service is Bonobo level. South Africans cant hack. Nigeria. Please go to Ghana, Niger and such backwater.

KENYA?. Youre insane. You are VERY welcome. Come any day. Start business. Any day.

68816419:
lol.. all we care about is "being black"
You had best get used to seeing Dangote because nobody can stop him from invading Kenya soon . This guy is 100m times smarter than you, and you have to understand that there are hundreds of Dangote in many fields. The proprietors of companies like Arik and Airpeace are in the aviation industry. In IT, there are the Helios, Flutterwave, Moove, Paystack, and PiggyVest men. We have farms like OBASANJO FARM, MAIZUBE FARMS, SEBORE FARMS, and ANADARIYA FARMS in agriculture. Even in manufacturing, Dangote is facing competition from companies like BUA,Innocent Chukwuma(innoson motors), We have people like Michael Adeniyi Adenuga in the telecom industry, Tony Onyemaechi Elumelu in finance, and Femi Otedola and Folorunso Alakija in the oil and gas industry.
we are proudly black, and nothing can change that. In all these disciplines, you may see fellow Africans at the top, but no single Indian or white.

2018 - now we are in 2023 - just 5yrs late - impressive - normally I see 20yrs late.

68816419:
Lekki Port- Deepest Sea port in Africa is ready for lunch :
6 million TEUs of containers and a significant volume of liquid and dry bulk uncontainerized cargoes. The port is to be equipped with ships able to transport over 14,500 containers.

The port is being developed in phases. Its phase one, be operational in 2018, chiefly comprises it three container berths equipped to handle more than 1.8 million TEUs — one berth for dry bulk goods and two berths for liquid cargo.

The port is financed by private investors and a consortium of banks who have funded the project with $1.5 billion as of March 2021. The seaport is to occupy up to 90 hectares of land. It is expected to be completed in 2023 and operations to commence in the first half.

Kenya nationhood. The British prime minister father was born in kenya like Obama father.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MTCGlo-vVU

Why does it matter who is the richest; does Dangote being black as soot allow you to fly his personal jet; what matters is how these people made money. The richest kenyans are black - Kenyattas and Mois - no indian can come close to them - because they transferred state wealth to personal wealth - just like Sani Abacha did in Nigeria. Kenyattas real estate in Nairobi alone - about 15,000 acres - is worth trillions of Kshs - an acre is at worse a million dollar - they are therefore worth 15b dollars in real estate in nairobi alone. You go to Kiambu, Nakuru, name it - 0.5M acres - that is min 30B dollars in real estate - 3 times Dangote in land alone. The real wealth in world is not ranked - because it mostly very dirty money - forbes and rest rank "clean" money.

Is Dangote making clean money - far from it - he is a Sani Abacha of the private sector - Sani Abacha stole oil - Dangote get Indians to manufacture for him - after he get sweat deals in Abuja. Who is making Dangote rich - every Nigerian being forced to buy something 2-3 times if it was imported so he can provide jobs - majority of whom are done by Indians of INDIA.

If a black king enslave you - will it be sweater than if an indian or chinese or white dude did it?

Africans have to differentiate a good indian from a bad one; good white due from a bad one; good chinese from a bad one; a good african from a bad one.

The good one is guy who is giving you a fair deal; it could be chinese or indian or white or black.

The bad one is guy giving you a bad deal at best or stealing from you;

Color or nationality is irrelevant. If Elon Musk want to come and become a Kenyan - he is welcome.

QueenNyakim:
Yet all the richest Nigerians are black. In Kenya half of them are black and the other half are Indian or Lebanese.

You won't see a single chink, kebab, curry muncher in the top 50 in Nigeria~

Of course. It's imperative for tribes to collapse into nations - otherwise you'll find countries in africa - dominating the most fragile nations - because they are few crisis from civil war - like is happening in Ethiopia, Nigeria (Boko haram & Igbo) and others. Kenya has been dogged by ethnicity - but at least we are making progress towards building a nation - from tribes - with help of new constitution - I am confident kenya has made huge turn towards building a strong nation - based on fairness, justice and eventually issue-based politics.

Europe/China started their nation building in 10th or early centuries - and they slowly killed their tribes/languages - into the few we have now - Italian, French, German, English, etc.

Africa has what 2,000 tribes...they need to collapse into at least 50 tribes/nation. Europe or Asia before had that many tribes - but they were killed over the time.

Let see how Rwanda will go - they have outlawed tribes. Might be a lesson for others in Africa esp small countries to just outlaw tribes and have everyone become their nationhood.

Kazikazi:
Now you are talking.without having a national identity u can't get to be a first world because all those ethnic squabbles and madness will drag u down. Look at China,look at Russia,look at Germany, UK etc are all having a thing which makes them stick together.
These African shitholes have a long way to go.

obaaderemi:
A Kenyan doesn't have that. He has to wear bangles to be identified.

They wear out sheer pride of their nation ..part of a long process of building national identity... nationhood and nation building is a topic beyond your comprehension. Few African leaders did as much as Julius Nyerere to create nations out of the colonial created artificial states randomly diced by Europeans in Berlin conference of 1885.Tanzanian is more likely to be proud of his nationality than his ethnic background. Kagame in Rwanda is outlawing tribes..let see if that will work creating a Rwanda national identity.As for Nigerian..they first swear by their tribes long before they even care about Nigeria..they they swear n kill for their religion.. maybe when playing football..rest of time they don't like Nigeria

Wuoche:
Ethiopia here we come.

I see it happened.Yes Kenya banks will make a kill.Ethiopia and Kenya need to sign bilateral trade agreement to cement the military agreement...both sides can benefit immensely

GeneralDae2:
Lagos is like the London of Africa when it comes to restaurants although Airport experience in Lagos more terrible than that of Nairobi says American couple who visited both Lagos and Nairobi.

Fast forward to 25.35 mins.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfqJ8se4KDc

Typical desperation...one positive thing said by a couple who didn't spend time in Kenya..and now Lagos is the London of Africa.You guys desperate for validation

In many words Nigeria as Identity simply doesnt exist because you've not built it.
That is why Igbos want out.
20 states are fully on Sharia.
You simply dont exist as a Nation. You are just states.
What Kenya and Tanzania has shown rest of Africa is ability to create an African Identity through first common Language.
Now Kiswahili is being adopted by almost half African countries.

obaaderemi:
Nigeria is multicultural, so I don't need to wear Bangles to remember my identity. UK has 4 countries making it up, that hasn't deleted anything from the UKs identity.

You've spend the whole day heckling.

obaaderemi:
When a grown man starts name-calling, I know he is crying.

Obaboon you're grunting as you tag team the mad cow. You bring more animals. The zoo has them in plenty. This is the time for you to play bonobo games.

obaaderemi:
You don't put Ashanti and anything Kenyan together. It's an insult.

Dressing in African Prints is not identity.
At least Tanzania can talk about Identity.
They are far ahead of kenya in that sense.
The rest of Africa remained hobbled by ethnicity.
Ghana and Nigeria - you dont even have a national african language.
Keny is miles ahead in creating a national identiy.
We are just behind Tanzania because of our ethnic politics that is starting to change now.

That probably the only think Julius Nyerere nailed - his economic policies failed but he created an admirable Tanzanian identity

Just40:
that's why they couldn't foster an identity and lost themselves.

Yes you're still slaves of your kings who own everything including your family land.

Kenya is modern country of everyone. Black, white, brown. As long as they are law abiding and are not sitting on stolen lands like south african whites.

We are not Ashanti Kingdom.

Just40:
sorry, we've not lost our identity like you to become this desperate.


We don't do that shit here

We are building a kenyan identity. Not Ghana where Twi at 49 percent dominate the others.

This is why every kenyan is wearing kenya bracelet.

Least said about Nigeria where Igbo are forever bitter the better.

Just40:


I'm sad for them... When you lose your identity, you really are lost

Manage GOLD first.

Just40:
if you want modern democracy, just come and learn from Ghana.
That kind of shit is only done by desperate people who have no identity

British had made Indians 2nd class citizen while Africans were 3rd class while they were 1st class.
Now everyone in Kenya is 1st class citizen of Kenya.
That is how you build a modern cohesive and prosperous nation.

obaaderemi:
What problems did Indians cause you before you started attacking them, raping their girls and stealing their property in the 70s?
Oh, it's intertribal problem.

We recognised Indians who came here in 1890 as a tribe
We recognised Nubians who came from Sudan in 1910s as a tribe
We recognised Makonds who came from Mozambique in 1940s as tribe
We recognised Shonas who came from Zim in 1960s as tribe.
I am sure next tribe to be recognised in kenya will be stateless Igbo people if they dont engage in crime and get deported.
Even Twi if they present their case will can make them a tribe...tribe of short people with short ambition
We want diverse and modern democracy.

Once they are recognised - they get privelleges as minority - they get hired into jobs - are given gov contracts - etc.

Kenya modern constitution protect minorities - and gov has to have face of kenya - so one Indian there - a shona here - we protect and welcome all.

In turn they dont repatriate their money like chinese do in Ghana. Make chinese Ghanians and maybe they will invest in Ghana long term not smuggle your gold.

Just40:
you're a funny guy

Designating India as a tribe is one insane thing

What problems have Indians caused us? They didnt grab our land? They didnt colonize us? What is your beef with Indians? They open small manufacturing business and soon graduate into big things.

What we did in kenya was brilliant - unlike other Africa countries where you find India running retail & wholesales ( I saw in Ghana - Chinese do this - in Kenya we banned them from retail & dukawallas.

Now most Indians in kenya are into manufacturing - creating many jobs. They cant get work permits to bring other Indians - so they hire kenyas.

In Nigeria - you got a million indians who do anything - from welding to driving trucks - and they come everyday - without work permit. Dangote has hired gazillion - in almost all his businesses.

Your gov protect Dangote business - ostensibly so he can provide jobs - he hires Indians

obaaderemi:
They've accepted Indian domination. That's why they designated the Indians in Kenya as a tribe as if the Indians don't belong to different Indian tribes already. How the Indians must have laughed at them. Remove the Indians from Kenya's economy and see the country die.

Yes of course. You cant hide fake data for long; USSR tried until they gave up in 1990.

kikuyu1:
Btw,rmbr way back in '16 on ToT we first discovered Dr Hanke as he revealed Naij hyperinflation? I'm glad much of what we've been saying has been validated by events.

Kenya -> In bid to collect 30B dollars by end of next year as taxes Ruto commit to register every kenyan with ID as taxpayer - and double that to 60B dollars (almost South Africa level) in 5yrs.

Universal tax registration is a historic endeavour to enlist all Kenyans in the patriotic effort of reinforcing our independence by enhancing self-reliance.

The imperative of embracing technological solutions to KRA’s strategic issues is clear. There are only 7 million people with KRA pin numbers. At the same time, in the same economy, Safaricom’s MPESA has 30 million registered customers, transacting billions daily. The fact that this opportunity remains unclear to KRA demonstrates why radical changes are necessary. Every Kenyan with an ID should have a PIN number. Technology and a considerate, fair and professional mobilisation will do the job quite well. Safaricom, a telco, has registered more people than KRA, a powerful state organisation. It is very clear that the magic lies in technology and strategy, not power and resources.