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y me: okay so now I am getting a clearer picture of what this is all about
its not about being the mr nice/alpha male but about babes that chop and clean mouth? una for tell me since na, why covering it up with all the topic BS? na wa oo

anyway I am not to be linked with the kind of woman that wants a mans molla
I am rare, valuable, unique and I am worth It (yes "I am fantastic" according to sagamite )and if a man fails to notice that, then that is plain stu.pidity in his part
the world will be a better place if the real deal can be separated from the fake deal

Nah, it is not about chop and clean mouth.

It is about how to attain my self-interest with minimal risk in the midst of madness.

A guy is nice to a woman yet is more likely to lose. He wants to be nice because he thinks it is what he would want someone to be to him and what he is expecting to get in return if he is but alas, he gets sacked after heavy investment that has now perished.

A guy is not so nice to a woman yet is more likely to win. She finds it exciting and a challenge and he is getting the opposite of his actions in return i.e. very little investment that has now yielded a good and heavy return.

Which is to a guy's benefit?

Even if "not so nice" is seen as bad, who's fault is that?

The logical thing is for people to be nice to each other but most hot women hate that and smart guys like hot women.

Very few hot girls will be able to stand a guy being nice to them, it is too easy and boring.

So if the hot ones are not going to be logical why should you lose?

It is women that oppose the logic of being nice to each other, so let them lose, not you.

So, baby, it is not about chop and clean mouth, it is about winning the good price. The win!

Now bring those curves here let me show you how I can drive it in gear 5!

y me: ofcourse he moves on to the next babe, because he is too proud to hold a good woman
what would the empty proud sac emotional disabled Hombre like that achieve in the end of it all if I may ask?
boosting of F-ing countless women abi?

Better than sitting your arsse disappointed while the girls you tried to do everything for are turned off by it and they are doing and giving everything to the guy that counts his conquest who did not even have to make too much effort.

You didn't make the rules and can't change the rules, so play by it.

Girls like bad boys and give it easily to bad boys.

y me: is that what this is about?
blessThunder fire those babes wey empty your account without leaving any for me

Na Shango go deal with them.

shymexx: Fam. it depends on how you lot define a "bad guy.".... A bad guy to me means a rude, uncouth, abusive, arrogant, controlling, and self-centred guy... I don't know any chic who wants that type of guy, except the desperate ones... You don't have to be a "bad guy" or a "nice guy" - I prefer being in the middle and being a realist.. Not showing too much love, affection, and care - and also not doing the extreme on the other side of the aisle... I've done the bad guy thing, and I ended up losing the best chics..

Personally, I think it's better to be a realist without showing/having too much affection - and also not hurting the other party... I think everything comes with maturity, experience, and outlook to life...

BTW, I've never been "Mr. nice guy" - I prefer the straightforward and normal approach without putting everything into it... And that's what an alpha male represents...

A bad guy is well described for you here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1108764/ladies-date-nice-guy/4#13060962

y me: abegii, na today? enough of this "Women have always proved me right about doing the exact opposite of what they say they will do" I have seen men going back and forth on their words so this is not only applicable to women.

being sexually attracted/wanting to bed a bad a man has got nothing to do with being 'mr nice or alpha male' (that kicks in when it goes beyond sexual attraction)in other words He only goes down there because I want him to and I am expecting nothing else from him (so mr nice/alpha means nothing to me)
my own definition of mr nice (frail, yes ma'am kinda man, 100% predictable, needs my opinion in absolute everything he does, scared to voice out when I wrong him but intead beats around the bush because he is too scared to say "you are wrong" in plain) definition of alpha male(jerk, feels the world revolves around him, feels he can get any woman of his choice (n*gga pls), feeling too dam.n important, having an annoying dominating spirit)
God better nor push any of these guys my way, mr nice I might end up angry at but mr alpha male I might end up killing
if you know what you want as a man and know the kind of woman you are attracted to work on it and be moderately nice/bad

you don't bring the alpha male quality at me thinking I will fall for that, oh please I am not attracted to peeps that are full of themselves and show no iota of care (na craze)

Whooo!

Fcking Fantastic!

I am very happy to be the type of man that you want to go down there and expect nothing from him. Rather than the fooool that spends all his time and money chasing a girl and ending up in the friend zone (i.e. yet still doing favours) because he made the stewpid mistake of being nice.

My family's worst enemies in Sagamu (The Ajakas) never get the juju to curse me reach the point wey I go want the second.

Tgirl4real: What a depressing and hearthbreaking comment!!!

Sagamite, u sef second this. Too bad!!!

Are u guys saying the so-called alpha male can't be in love? And can't be a one-woman man?

And so?

So it is guys that should bare all the risk and take all the hits while you girls sit pretty and say "Go, girl"?

So guys should come and chat you up, burn credit calling you, take you out, buy you small token gifts for Xmas etc, show you you are special and then you conclude "Mmmm, well, you know what? I don't think I really fancy you that much. I am not really into you and I don't think it would work out".

Life is beautiful innit when you can let something go because you have not invested much in it. Well we the smart bad boys have learnt to join you in that life.

We can be in love, at the right time, to the right girl, with the right stuff to offer.

Sleek05: I think dis topic is overflogged...@ sagamite n d likes, pls date ur housegrls dat'l gladly clean n wash 4u n let's have peace.

Just don't come running to insult me about "maturity" or "being responsible" when your game is up and you become an ATM (Anxious to Marry) and want me to take the goods.

y me: O_o God is watching you in 3D sha
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How does the fact you say something in the heat of it makes you not trust women?

Women have always proved me right about doing the exact opposite of what they say they will do. I have learnt not to believe them and go by experience of what they tend to do in such situations.

For example, I know baby_123 is going to bed me one day despite all her bravado that "Not in this lifetime or the next".

y me: The bottom line is, if being an Alpha male jerk is all a guy can offer me just because I want excitement and challenge in a relationship, i will kindly pass because I am too fly for that ish (yes I am )
As I stated earlier I do not want Mr completely nice guy nor Alpha male, if you are completely nice you will kindly join the friend zone and if you are completely badt you join the list of getting admired and fantasized about for a minute without accomplishing what you came for

Thank you for telling them what happens to Nice guys.

As for bad guy, he would at least get laid before he gets sacked by most women. Stop lying!

coogar: yet again, you focus on goals instead of the influence they both bring to the team. maradona did not become great because he could score 1000 goals in 20 games - this is why i said we are stat machines in the modern era. if we applied this same yardstick back in the days then platini, maradona, nedved, zidane, kaka, ronaldinho would never smell any award. in those days, influence to the team was more regarded than the sheer number of goals!

I completely agree with you that footballers should be judged on their influence more than mere goals except if the number of goals is sub-human.

But the issue there is that barcelona happens to have a team setting and a group of fantastic 3 (Messi, Iniesta and Xavi). Not one single player missing from these 3 can have too much impact on the team because it is all about team work and those are the best 3. Maradona played in a team where he was the central figure amongst good players just like Henry was in Arsenal. Messi will never get that chance because he is playing in the best team in the world, with some of the best players and in a team with an emphasis on total team work. When Maradona played in Barcelona he was not a God too. He was a star playing in a team.

As per national team, Messi somehow has not replicated that influence Maradona had. He just does not have that personality, even CR has more of that personality than him.

coogar: how many participating countries in 58 had a 17 yr old striker leading them out? lets be honest, pele's achievements in 58 was peerless although he had a super creative force behind him to score those goals!

The more critical issue is: how many countries were participating?

It was a small sports event then with many part-time players playing in the WC.

coogar: kaka, nedved, zidane, platini, rivaldo, shevchenko - none of these players is a goal machine!

Those are mostly all recent players and apart from Nedved, those guys were goal machines when they got recognised.

The midfield ones usually scored more goals than most strikers when they got recognised.

coogar: they told us about the moments of brilliance.
it was about the moments the goals were scored - a player could score 20 goals against zaragoza and it won't mean shyte but another striker chooses his moments. a match destined for draw and then in the 90th minute, cometh the hour - cometh the man! that was what made kanu an african legend in 96.



they were a quartet then according to radio commentary...
whenever you hear didi-vava-garrincha-pele, the next word is goalllllllllll!

When I talk about the past, I am talking about the Pele era when most cannot see football matches and only heard news reports. (pre-1980s)

Garri-who? Didi?

Most, bar brazilians, would not be able to recall some of these guys bar Pele because football was not in the spotlight like now.

At the moment, I can even list at least 7 players of both Man U and Bayern of the 1999 CL final or 11 players of the early 2000s Arsenal team.

Back in the day, all I would have heard, and appoint glory to, was "who scored the most goals" .....................Pele!!!

coogar: but that was the era of 5 defenders - they had what they called "the last man" then or a number 5 whose mission is to break as many legs as possible. i actually think there were many quality players back then. you need to watch the 1970 world cup clips and see the quality of the goals scored - they are far better than the goal mouth scramble these days.

Yes, but I still think it was still easier for a striker to score back then as he can always stay close to the goal scoring area hence they worked less and had more chances while the defender is working hard to cover the large space to stop them.

coogar: how many goals did sneijder score against barcelona in the semis? how many did messi score? how many goals did sneijder score @ the world cup as a support striker, how many did messi? sneijder was the heart and soul of the 2 teams he played for that year. he won the treble for inter milan and had robben not brainfarted - holland would have won the world cup!

I would not use one game to judge one player against the other.

I really think if Sneijder was the heart and soul of his teams, many would have noticed and he will be in the top 10. We are talking about Inter and Holland here, not West Ham and Croatia. They are big teams in the spotlight. If a player is a stand-out in them, he would be noticed just the way Drogba stands out in Chelsea or Gerrard in Liverpool or Pirlo in Italy.

coogar: xaviesta had won the champions league in 06 and 09 before these names joined barcelona.

Nah! I was talking about how those players were from La Masia and play with Xaviesta in the national team hence why Xaviesta can play their barca football and win things. Messi does not have this benefit with Argentina.

coogar: maybe maybe not - we would never know....
the only thing we know is maradona's team mates in 86 are not as good as what messi has had at his disposal. if maradona could drag argentina to 2 world cup finals back to back, why can't messi?

Personality, not lack of ability or contribution.

Messi is not a leader by any stretch of the word.

coogar: but maradona never used this excuse - Italian style at napoli was different to the style argentina played between 1985 and 1990.

He was fulcrum at Napoli and Argentina. He could play his style at both and his team-mates knew the style.

Messi does not have that benefit, yet is performing in the Argentine team. Most people think because Argentina is not winning anything Messi has not done anything. He is the 4th highest goalscorer for Argentina of all time now and is only 3 goals away from Maradona's goals at the age of 25.

coogar: he is a false 9 or 9 and a half. baggio is a 10!
messi played closer to the opponents goal than baggio. baggio had schillaci ahead of him to do the scoring. messi has no one @ barcelona ahead of him!

Baggio was a support striker most times. Messi shares the front with Pedro, that Chilean and Villa where it is all about movement (even helping with defending), not playing out and out striker.

coogar: goals win matches - if messi was scoring at the vital moments, argentina would have won more. it's increasingly becoming evident that messi is crap for his country. look at fat ronaldo - he bossed everywhere he played(brazil, inter, madrid, psv). zidane, ronaldinho, xavi and iniesta too. why can't messi?

in the last copa in his home soil, argentina played against a 10-man uruguayan team for almost 80 mins(including extra time) and yet messi's team lost on their home soil!

He has scored almost the same amount of goals as Maradona at 25. He has a better scoring ratio, so whether he is scoring at vital moments is not the issue. The issue is the defending.

coogar: messi has aguero and tevez to pass to him too - what has he done with the passes?

They don't play for Barca, they are not from La Masia, I don't think they would understand the passing game that much. Man city does not play that.

coogar: messi has not outscored ronaldo if you take the goals in spain into consideration.

Which Ronaldo? Fat or prettyboy?

coogar: we are splitting hair here - that's not the same thing!

I agree it is not the same thing but it is really the same thing.

Per 0.02 matches? Come on! That ratio can change next weekend.

At least let it be per 0.2 matches.

coogar: he has - at least in south american competitions if winning the world cup is a huge task

Don't underestimate South American football. There is always 4 strong teams there that can beat each other:

Brazil, Argentina and any 2 current teams. The first 2 are virtually permanent but from time to time other nations there build strong teams that can beat them.

You would be surprised Maradona did not win the Copa America in his lifetime. Not even when it was on home soil one year after winning the WC.

It is football, shyt happens.

coogar: the advantage he has is huge.
cristiano is the only non-barcelona player that is in the top 5 players in the world today. others would be messi, xavi, iniesta and villa!

But Ozil and Alonso dey enter top 10 na.

coogar: messi is not better than ronaldo - the 2 of them have equal greatness overall! if you see any slight difference it's because of the difference in quality in the teams they play for. i asked a question you smartly dodged. if messi and yakubu swap teams, whose team would win?

I no see you question before?

Obviously Barcelona.

coogar: but these players are the reason their respective countries outperformed messi's argentina!

Or you could say, the team mates of Messi are the reason these countries outperformed Argentina.

True2myself24: Oh okay I get it...your house stays dirty not because you're not capable of doing it, but because you just don't feel like cleaning and cooking. Makes sense I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a woman cleaning and cooking for her fiancé, I do it for my fiance when I visit him during the weekends. But for him to judge if I'm wife material solely on whether or not I clean up after him is ridiculous. A woman should bring more to a man's life than just a tidy house. What about true character? What about intimacy? A relationship is more than just "does she cook for me?" and "does he pay my bills?" When you look back at the good times it should be more than just when she cooked and cleaned up your house or when he paid your last phone bill. What about the day you were both stressed out from work and you took a bubble bath together, or when you were looking for a new job and she helped you write a cover letter and a resume? There's so much more to what we think is "wife material" and "husband material." What will you do if, God forbid and something happens to your wife and she can do house chores for some time? And what will you expect your wife to do, if God forbid, you lose your job and you can't pay next month's rent? Sometimes men and women have to go back and forth with playing each other's roles to a certain extent. And don't tell me to cut the crap, a lot of women, especially here in the US, can take care ourselves financially, so there's no need to date a guy mainly for financial reasons. If my boyfriend wants to treat me on Christmas, Valentine's Day, my birthday, or whenever he feels like it GREAT! Yes I like it when he spends on me occasionally, but it isn't his duty to pay my phone bills, or my rent. He already has enough on his shoulders.

First of all, tell me what you would do if you boyfriend refuses to celebrate Xmas, Valentine and your birthday. On those days he is not the type to even buy you a single present but he is a nice guy that is faithful and considerate.

Please tell me.

Then I think a lot of you women would do better in being good partners if you realise men don't give a shyt about the rubbish you think they give a shyt about.

I don't give a fck about you bubble baths. I don't think I would ever need you to help me with my CV. I don't give a fck about your having dinner by the beach. I don't give a fck about your strolling in the park when there is football on the TV.

That is not for me and not to my benefit. When such is done it is for your benefit (YOU are the one that likes it) and don't ever think it is something I value and your "fantastic" contribution to my life.

Women should start learning what they should bring to the table that would actually be valued.

coogar: you probably haven't figured chics out yet then.....
from my experience, chics actually like the arrogant, controlling and the self-centred guys. mind, what chics say in the open is a stark contrast of what they want. shymmex, a man like you should know that. being a bad guy is the surest way to score chics - it's a win-win situation. even if the chic leaves you, no regrets cos you were never there for her anyway. however, if a chic leaves you after playing "bobo nice" to her, then you are done! little wonder men carry acids and all sorts because their women cheated on them. you think a bad guy has time for such nonsense? one door closes, another 6 open!

GBAM!

They can lie so convincingly to the point even they themselves believe what they are saying is the truth and that makes it more convincing when they say it.

Don't listen to what women say, watch what they do.

"If he calls me, I will tell him to fck off".

He calls, she picks up: "Hi, how are you? I really miss you. Come down to my city and have cake and meat pies".

[quote author=to+by]All 'm goin to say is that in my own lil life, i'll treat everyone as humanly best as the love of God as possible. Whether ladies like me or not, play me or not, i know my own better half is somewhere out there being preserved for me by God. The whole thing destroying the world is because of what the entertainment industry's painting into our mind thereby shaping our lifes indirectly. If you like destroy all the ladies you meet jus to claim ALPHA guy, or explore as many guys as possible to claim ALPHA woman, jus know that DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD'S NOT MOCKED, WHATEVER A MAN SOWS, HE'LL REAP. Gal 6:7[/quote]Don't worry, the girls would come and look for you when their looks is up.

Good boy.

[quote author=baby_123]He will have to drop all the concubines and wives, then be washing my pant every morning. Saga needs training and taming.

I no dey ile olorogun. [/quote]One night of hitting and I will have you eating from the palm of my hand and you crying you want me all to yourself.

Some have labelled it fuku faka fuku faka magic.

Tgirl4real: May be dis I won't agree with using myself as an example. Me like dem bad since when I was young, still like them bad and will continue to like them bad.

Of course, 'bad is used in context. Nice guys are good for BFF.

At least I believe you but you are an exception.

[quote author=baby_123]Not in this lifetime or in the next. All this bragging. You will do the bending. [/quote]Look lets be absolutely blunt and put it out in the open.

I know you know that I know you know if we ever met, it will take a miracle for you not to end up in bed with me.

No pastors sermons or miracles would be able to quench the desire you will feel deep inside you and wanting me to probe that desire where it is.

So stop fronting.

[quote author=baby_123]Just when i had hope that you had learned something new. SMH.[/quote]Sorry, I am the teacher. YOU learn.

Now go into that room and bend over, let me teach you something new and exciting.

[quote author=baby_123]Glad you have a new perspective. . A woman that knows what she wants, that doesnt make her unattractive or not the best. She is just an attractive woman that is more decisive, and assertive as she has grown into her own and understands better what she wants for her future.[/quote]I never said a woman that knows what she wants is unattractive.

But if only when you know what you want is when your looks are gone, then you are unattractive.

Be decisive that it is only Sagamite and no one else you want in your prime and I would know you know what you want.

You want the best!

coogar: comparisons can be made - national team is a very good way to start!

the more reason maradona is better - he went to napoli - the equivalent would be real zaragoza in this day and age and maradona won them serie a and uefa cup. we often hear the phrase "one player does not make a team" but maradona proved that theory wrong!

Unfortunately, Messi has not and will never play for a small team as the big clubs know his value. That does not mean he can't.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Lets even remove 1/3 of Messi's goals at Barcelona because we attribute it to the Barcelona/Iniesta/Xavi effect. If Messi was scoring at 2/3 the rate he is at Barcelona while playing for Real Zaragoza/Napoli, he would still have a better scoring rate than Maradona.

At the national team level, he has a better scoring rate than Maradona.

coogar: pele won a world cup @ 17. not as a passenger but as the real pilot of the brazil squad. his goals in the semis and the final of 1958 were some of the best goals scored in a world cup in the black/white television era.

Unfortunately, Messi played in an era when football is big and many quality players. So it is not as easy to get into one of the biggest teams and get a starting place.

1958 is a different era with many players at the level of Cyprus!

coogar: this is because the way we watch football has changed. now, it's all about goals and statistics. xavi is a greater player than zidane or nedved or even platini but he would never ever get the accolades they got because he does not score 1347 goals in 78 games.

I partially agree but I think it has always been like that: focus on goals.

Even maybe more so in the past when we they did not have analyst telling people what players not scoring were doing that was spectacular on the pitch and where the only news report that circulated was the scores and who scored.

Many know Pele's name, but I doubt many non-Brazilians know the name any of his team-mates.

coogar: messi hasn't replicated maradona - not for argentina at least!
even the all south american affair - copa america is beyond messi.

When I say replicate. I meant the goals.

Definitely not the influence. He just does not have that inspirational character. He has the ability and skills.

coogar: but some of the tackles defenders made in that era would attract INTERPOL or the human rights activists to make an arrest on the pitch. defenders were practically breaking bones then - why do you think tackles from behind was outlawed? pele/maradona were men not the sissies we have today.

Good point but they also had no offside.

They surely were men but I don't think that made them better with the football brain.

Pele for example does not need to work as hard with defenders since he could not be offside. He just needs to sit upfront with the keeper.

coogar: that's exactly what i am saying - i don't need an award to tell me who was the best player in 2010. sneihder's goals eliminated barcelona in the champions league. sneijder then went on to take holland to their first world cup final and yet he was left out in the award while messi who got battered by ozil and muller went on to win the ballon d'or? messi draws the romantics - he is the modern cinderella story....a boy that could not play because of his bone problem as a child and later became great - he uses that history of
his to garner empathy. messi is humble, ronaldo is proud - that's the mentality!

I agree with you that awards don't necessarily describe which player is better even though it helps.

But I disagree that Sneijder eliminated Barcelona or took Holland to the WC final. He was just a vital player in the team that did, not the soul. I can't even remember him like we remember Pirlo for Italy in the last Euros.

If he was that good and critical, he would at least be in the top 10 for FIFA and EU awards.

coogar: they are both better than messi as an all round footballer. when it comes to awareness of time and space - you won't find better players than xavi/iniesta. iniesta dribble better than messi with more close control. xavi's vision is unparalleled and they have higher pass completion stats than messi!

Debatable on the time and space. I think Messi is on par with that, at best Iniesta might edge just slightly.

Iniesta wins in mobility and close circulation.

Xavi wins in game control and vision.

Messi wins in scoring, pace and dribbling but also scores highly in mobility.

coogar: who are the other la masia team mates? busquets? pique? puyol? valdez? all these players are defenders. xavi and iniesta are what make barcelona and spain tick. forget the other la masia players. the engine room is xaviesta! those 2 midgets can win a football match on their own against 11 players.

Also Fabregas, Pedro, Alba. And David Villa has played with this guys long enough to understand them.

Xaviesta are surely the best but like Messi I doubt they can do it on their own without a La Masia mentality team with them.

As I said put one of Xaviesta in Argentina and I don't think it will come to anything.

coogar: they are the sole components......del bosque had to adopt the barcelona way of playing to win the last world cup and the last euros. the creative force in that midfield = xaviesta. build a team around those 2 lads and you would win championships! the blueprint to the success of any football team = xavi + iniesta!

They were the creative force but it was the style and the understanding of the style by most Spanish players that won something for them.

coogar: messi in argentina is ordinary - funny how you say he has crap team mates. messi has tevez, aguero, milito, higuain, cambiasso, zanetti, veron, etc and yet they got outplayed by forlan's uruguay in the last copa. maradona played with this crap quality and dragged argentina to a world cup victory.....

I never said he had crap teammates.

I said he has teammates that don't play yo his style as Xaviesta have with Spain.

coogar: see excuses!
messi plays as a support striker? who is he supporting?
messi is a striker for barcelona......a support striker for argentina(just like maradona or riquelme) but guess what? these other players scored tournament goals more than messi!

You can never describe Messi as an out-and-out striker. He is like Baggio.

Even look at the computer games. The default setting for the 3 Barca front are SS.

I don't care if anyone scores more "tournament" goals, I care about over-all.

coogar: i disagree.
modern football protects strikers these days with "no tackle from behind" "preventing a goal scoring opportunity" and blah blah blah after many quality players were forced to retire because of injuries. messi couldn't have survived the football played in pele's days where a league season has about 80 games.

You may have a point there but before they retired their style never included working as hard as Messi on the pitch.

Many guys did the dribbling in the midfield and passed to Pele to finish. Messi is like Iniesta's finest girlfriend.

coogar: strikers are meant to score goals more than the midfield

True point!

But the players you named (Ronaldo, Forlan, Villa) are strikers, and he outscored them when he became a support striker.

coogar: it only proves its easier to score in spain than england!
english league rejects like forlan, kanoute, rossi, etc are a living witness to that theory.
let's compare the goals ronaldo has scored in real madrid to messi's goals in barcelona.

Even if we agreed it is easier to score in Spain, Messi still has a better score rate at national level and the virtually same at club level (1 every .94 games) during the period of CR (1 every .92 games). That is basically the same.

coogar: messi has 2 world cups left for him before his career winds down
there's no sign he would win any before he retires - unless the spanish national team die in a bomb attack. even then, his chances are slim!

So you spot it is because he does not have the team mates to do it then?

coogar: how would you know this? you cannot tell me messi has an advantage and yet ronaldo is not close to him. look at ronaldo's goal scoring record since he moved to spain. if ronaldo was still in england - we would all think messi is a demi-god! messi has a huge advantage and that advantage is the reason many think he's better than cristiano. this is the question you should ask yourself - if messi and yakubu swap teams, whose team would win a football game of 90 mins?

The advantage he has is not like some moons ahead. It is not like comparing Barcelona to Napoli. CR has some great players too even though they are not Xaviesta. Ozil, Kaka, Alonso and Khedira are not average players. Even 2 of them make the German team extremely dangerous to play.

coogar: ronaldo is miles ahead of the players above - not even close!

Nah! Those are the next layer of greats after the top 3 and that is where CR sits.

coogar: except that his greatness has not helped his country to win a pin......how great is messi when suarez, robinho, forlan, etc have all outperformed him in his continent? and we have not even mentioned his steroid overdose of his gh-therapy that has made it so difficult to knock him off the ball.

suarez, robinho, forlan have not outperformed Messi, they are not even close.

Uruguay and Brazil may have outperformed Argentina.

[quote author=baby_123]Thats not true at all. It all boils down to the individual. Some people like bad boys/ bad girls. Most people dont. They may when they are teens because of the adventure, but when they become real adults, that type of thing gets old. And you cant be following bad boys as an adult, it just makes you a dummy. Bad boys have their season, and it never lasts. Any girl that holds unto a bad boy has unresolved issues.[/quote]Well, women like bad boys at their aesthetic peak. The time they are mostly desirable.

When they are real adults, their time has passed, so what they want is really of not much appeal in pulling a guy that wants the best.

I want to be a man of all seasons, not only the bad season.

When the sun shines, I want to take my holidays to enjoy the summer. Not be stuck with a blitzing winter for holidays as my main option.

[quote author=baby_123]I think i am a big threat to your crusade and you Alpha Male teaching. [/quote]Nah!

Most here know I am a God of intellect, they know I always speak sense.


[quote author=baby_123]Nope, as long as i am involved, we will both make the decisions. Sorry. .

"Mother always knows best", ever heard that saying? - Men follow rigid logic and tunnel vision reasoning, while women are well rounded in their thinking. Except she is just being shallow. You shouldn't take charge of making decisions for another persons life without asking for her input. Nothing sexy or appealing about that. Everyone likes to have some control over their lives.[/quote]I am sure and bet you can and will love to do that in marriage after you have had kids.

Before that, you will sack him except you have lost your looks. He is dead fish!

You might even sack him and keep him as a friend. Just in case you change your mind and get your heart broken by a bad boy.

Nice guys are there to be used.

[quote author=baby_123]I never give anyone the chance to make decisions over my life, without my input/consent. Two heads are better than one, so he better be willing to bend to what i want. . If you want someone that will sit down while you think for her, buy a blow up doll. Every woman is different. Some play damsel in distress, others get tools and make it happen. You cant put anyone in a box.[/quote]I don't think most women like a guy that makes decision about their life.

But I think women like a man that makes decision over their joint lives.

[quote author=baby_123]You want to eat your cake and have it. You can go to mars, they may be advertising or looking for men like that. [/quote]Yep.

I want the cake or rather more like the meat.

I don't want to be the patient dog that gets the bone.

The bone after some other dawgs have taken the meat.

I shall eat the meat and eat the bone.

Win-win strategy, babes.

[quote author=baby_123]abi o. mtschhheeeew! Women are so easy to understand, they dont realise this.[/quote]Women don't even understand themselves before you can even say they are easy to understand.

Women are like Nigeria where the only thing that is certain is uncertainty.

For women, the only thing that is logical is illogicality.

A boy should never call himself a man until he knows all that.

Sweetlemon: Yes of course. But the important thing is for him to treat me like a queen.

Thanks for admitting it.

Sweetlemon: Lol! You guys on NL ehn! Always looking for faults. Why should I wanna mess with him or his family and friends if they are friendly with me?
Besides didn't you see where I said he treats me like a queen and will not tolerate any one messing me?

A friend's aunty once said to us and is imprinted in our heads:

"If a man does not tell me what to do, I will tell him where to go".

Admit it, you will not stay with him if you mess with him and he acts like a wuss?

Fact: Women are built biologically to always test their men just to see if he has balls and if he cares.

I know when a woman is testing me. I have had to learn.

[quote author=baby_123]Somebody is on a rampage on this thread. .

Still doesnt change the fact that nice guys are husband material, while jerks are boyfriend material.

Not everyone has time to figure an "adult" out.

Come correct, come straight and hold your own.

People are busy.
Games are for babies.

You will get left in the dust.

If you are not clay in my hands. Nothing for you, i no marry.

[/quote]I want to be the boyfriend and husband later that enjoys everything. It is my right!

Come correct, come straight and get the fcking sack letter? God forbid bad thing.

shymexx: Basically, I don't think chics like arrogant, controlling, and self-centred guys... They prefer confident guys who can act like a man with authority... However, there's a thin line between confidence and arrogance vis-a-vis authority and controlling - you just have to know not to cross that line... Once you do, it becomes problematic..

You don't necessarily need to be a "bad guy" to smash as many chics as possible, as long as the chics know where they stand and there's mutual respect... To be honest, bad guys don't really pull that many chics if they show their true colours from the beginning, most fake it till they get the chics in their chokehold... No one wants a heartless jerk...

Being there, done that - being a bad guy just breeds hatred, it's a lose lose situation...

You would be surprised they do and they see it as a project to change him.

The best test when dealing with a woman in her prime on emotional issues is to ask yourself:

If I do 'A', is it logical?

If your own answer is yes, then don't do it.

Logic just does not work with them then.

If it sounds illogical to be a arrogant, controlling, and self-centred guy? ...........Then be!

That to them means: He is a challenge and unpredictable, fck, I am wet!

Note: controlling should not mean abuse o!

You don't need to be a bad guy to smash chics but you will smash far less and work fcking far harder and wait much longer than a bad guy to get permission to smash.

It is your choice which is the better proposition for you.

coogar: prove it.....

I think the 2 greatest prior to him were Pele and Maradona.

It is hard to make comparisons because:

- Maradona played in a not so strong club football team while Messi plays in the best football team I have ever seen.

- Pele played in an era when it was part-time fishermen that were footballers and never played abroad in his prime while Messi plays with some of the greatest athletes ever seen and plays in one of the best leagues in the world and frequently against the best in the world.

But against both he has won more individual awards and is doing the impossible while playing with the best.

Maradona is more inspirational but Messi has replicated everything he did individually on the pitch including his best goal.

Pele only played in an era where most of the players probably had my fitness, even the international players.

Okay, I lied about my fitness but you get the point.

coogar: i am guessing you mean world's best - its political....in 2010, milito/sneijder should have won it but the award still went to messi for doing absolutely nothing in the world cup/champions league.

That argument is not even specious at all.

- They were not even in the 10 for both FIFA and EU awards.
- If it was political, a foreigner would not win an EU one.

coogar: iniesta/xavi are by far more skilful than messi....it is messi who needs the duo not the other way round. xavi/iniesta won titles for barcelona(before messi), they won titles for spain(without messi). messi has not won anything @ senior level without the duo.

Nah! They play different roles but they surely do not have more dribbling skills, pace or dead ball skills than Messi.

Iniesta comes close in dribbling but is still behind.

Xavi comes close in dead balls but is still behind.

Vision-wise, they are both better but that is their job as midfielders.

As I said above, the two have the privilege of playing with many Barca/La Masia team-mates in national team. Messi does not. Unlike them, he has to play with team-mates that don't know the passing game he played last weekend and for 9 months in a year.

Put Iniesta in Argentine team and they would still win nada.

Put Xavi in Argentine team and they would still win nada.

It is the team style of play that makes Spain win. Xavi and Iniesta are key components, not the sole components.

coogar: messi became a centre forward the season guardiola arrived in barcelona. etoo moved to the left side of the attack and henry moved to the right.

He mostly plays like a support striker, not an out-and-out striker.

Barca plays with 3 support strikers.

coogar: messi does not work as hard as rooney, etoo, drogba or david villa...but he's more creative than them!

Even if THEY work harder than him, they are not even in his league to mention them in the same breath.

I said he works harder than the likes of Pele.

coogar: messi stopped being a midfielder after they were dumped out in europe by man utd under frank rijkaard. guardiola moved him to the centre of the attack after that season. when he was on the right side of barca's attack, he was outscored by ronaldo, villa, forlan, etc.

And so?

He out-scored them when he left the midfield.

coogar: ronaldo has a better scoring record in la liga.

And so?

Messi has a better scoring record overall.

coogar: he would be 27 by the next world cup - time is running out on him!

27? That is 5 years still left in him.

Maradona won the WC at 26 and was still king at 30.

Pele won the WC at 30.

27? So?

coogar: messi is great, very great but i don't think he's better than cristiano ronaldo! messi plays in a far better team than ronaldo, equipped with the best creative midfielders in the last 5 seasons or thereabout! there's a reason spain have won all the international tournaments they have participated in since 2008 without messi....those 2 midgets(xavi/iniesta) are the force that make messi tick!

Messi does have an advantage but CR is not even in his league.

Compare CR to the likes of Henry, Gullit, Muller, Di Stephano, Eusebio etc.

Messi plays in a great team, even in that team he is the best.

Sweetlemon: There are lots of things you guys get mixed up. A nice guy can be an alpha male and vice versa. In fact "nice is a relative term in that it can be used to describe different kinds of people. For instance not all quiet people are nice and not all loud or talkative people are bad.
Now my own type of alpha male is a guy who smells CONFIDENCE. One who is intelligent and calculating. Knows exactly when and how to strike. He has good taste for finer things in life and you can never catch him dead with just any thing. He wants the best, works for the best and will not settle for less. You can't even catch him with just any kind of female as only the best ones appeal to him. When he falls in love, he treats his woman like a queen and woe betides any one who steps on her toes.
He's a no nonsense man with almost zero tolerance and may God help you if you try messing with him or people dear to him. He's a man of few words and more action and commands respect just by walking into a room.
Now that's the exact description of the the guy who has stolen my heart *stares into space dreamily*

I hope with this you mean "ready and willing to put me in my place"?

Otherwise he would be old news.

[quote author=St.Ola]Even if the message is embedded to prevent piracy as someone opined, how does this vulgar message qualify as Demonic? Religion seem to be making a lot of its puritanical adherents mentally unstable. Everything/Everyone is either deemed Demonic, Illuminati, FreeMason, and whatever fancy name a myopic mind can conjure. Please make your way to the cave if the world is moving to fast for you.[/quote]A lot of Nigerians are mentally unstable.

It is not sane to carry religion like they carry on their head.

It is not sane to see pastors using your money to live in luxury and yet keep giving.

Just saying, in case you did not already know that.

shymexx: The "bad guy" thing kind of make people look conceited, rigid, and self-centred with time...

Yep.

And they luuuuuurve it!

It is an interesting challenge and project they want to manage.

Fine girls like it because it is different and more interesting than guys kissing their feet all day that they are boringly used to.

Average and below girls love it but avoid it because they know they can't win the competition, so they go for the nice guy.

Best strategy:

Be a bad guy and ENJOY your life. Bangg as many girls as you can. Pull a hot girl and then when you are settled and she has produced, then you can change to nice. When they know their value in the market has diminished, it somehow acts like a calming agent and personality enhancer, so she would stay.

A fcking win-win strategy, while still playing to the rules you did not create but that can work against you if you don't follow it.

coogar: you have raised a good point - you are not just wording it properly....

messi is a great player and extremely talented but it also helps to have the greatest creative midfielders as team mates.....barcelona have 4 of the top 5 players in the world in their team - there's no way any striker would not score goals at barcelona. samuel etoo became a legend at barcelona.....

that being said, ronaldo and the other strikers from the other clubs cannot be compared. they do not have talented playmakers like messi does. you cannot compare ozil/alonso to xavi/iniesta. you cannot compare carrick/giggs to xavi/iniesta. everything has been designed to make messi the greatest club player in the history of football.....

until messi wins a world cup/copa america, he would not convince many football fans that he is indeed the greatest player of our generation. fat ronaldo, zidane, maradona, xavi, and pele would always have that edge over messi.

I thought your were right or at least specious until the last paragraph.

I think Messi is already the greatest.

- He has been the world's best more than anyone.

- Despite Xavi/Iniesta being as good as they are, Messi is still better and more skillful than them.

- Despite not being an out-and-out striker, he has scored more goals than virtual all in that list, even those that are out-and-out strikers.

- For the out-and-out strikers in your list, he works harder than them and is more creative.

- For the offensive midfielders out of that list, he has more goals than them.

- For all of them, he has broken all their scoring ratios (bar Pele) and their awards won.

- Worse still, he is still young and is only at the midpoint of his career.

If there are football fans that would think he is not great like the person above, they, need to stop watching football.

promisador: Dear readers,
This is an alert message to anyone willing to help in this serious situation. Please read this information carefully.
A particular girl I trained and has worked for me as a househelp on a payroll, walked away from me with some money and when I intervened, she threatened me with a particular message and it went thus:
"Xo u broke my simcard... Guess wat, am still in lagos, u will suffer 4 wat u did, u wicked shameless man. U'r angry abi..hahaha. Dnt worry. Dat stupid cheif dat i meet on d internet, he doesnt knw a thing abt me. Am still here, i knw wer u live, i knw ur childrens skul... Watch n see wat happens. BIG FOOL. IDIOT.
She has threatened to kidnap my children from school and has also threatened to come to my house with some gang of boys. I do not hold anything against her and I wonder why she has decided to repay me evil for good...

PLEASE, IF ANY ONE SEES HER OR KNOWS ABOUT HER WHEREABOUTS, DO NOT HESITATE TO REPORT TO THE NEAREST POLICE STATION OR ANY SECURITY OUTFIT THAT CAN GET HOLD OF HER. THANK YOU. HER PICTURES ARE DISPLAYED BELOW...

If I were you, when you catch her fck her up!

I repeat: FCK HER UP!

None of that I am a Xtian BS. Deal with her. Give her what she deserves. That is immense misery and regretting the day she came to the Earth.

Tgirl4real: Doesn't it come natural?

It comes naturally to some.

Some others have to let it come out.

Some others have to learn it.

lagerwhenindoubt: simples.. alpha male when their market still fresh - nice guys when the product don expire.

lagerwhenindoubt: Nice guy moves are well intended but poorly understood.. be a Badt Guy believe me Women will kill themselves to be with you.. i mean Nice guys Suck and offer no adventure or interests. try to exorcise the Nice Guy in you.. they might complain to nice guyz but when you try to pin the move on them y'll see how react and drop you like smelly socks

Well said.

I have seen it so many times.

When a girl is very fine/hot, if you are too nice, she would dump you straight up.

korres00: Ladies flirt wif d alpha guyz buh wen they marry....they marry d nice one....

After the alpha male has had his fill and the product is expired or almost expired?

[quote author=baby_123]Exactly right. It is only a foolish woman that will use boyfriend to do husband. . Only an immature girl will find Alpha males appealing. The girl is just playing around. When it is time to settle down, a sharp girl will pick the best guy. Don't be deceived.[/quote]Well said.

She is being blunt and confirming what I said.

shymexx: You need to be a little bit of both, however, there's no formula for chics... Just make sure you're in between - being too nice will make you look like a wimp, and being too standoffish will make you look arrogant..

Follow my lead, son...

Obviously a little bit of both but if you want good things, bad guy should be your primary one.

Tgirl4real: The lecturer has arrived.

I have to utilise my PhD na.