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kingk: Oga you also need an UNDERSTANDING, yes you need it cos you don't really understand the bible verse you quoted............... I have a QUESTION for you..."Please give me each example of SIN unto DEATH ans SIN not unto DEATH.. Then you'll know that there's nothing like PURGATORY.

Am waiting.............

Give us an example of sin against the father, sin against the son, and sin against the Holy Spirit.

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my dear, let me tell u guys what u dnt knw. In catholicism, purgatory exists but in Christianity it doesn't exist. Nw, i knw u r a little confused if the two religions r different. D ansa is yes. Jst make some research 4 urself. It is nt enough to bliv whatever u r told in church. D catholic worship is different frm Christianity jst like we hav Buddhism, voodooism, etc. In Christianity, it is either heaven or hell and both of dem exists bt nt in dis earth. Hebrew 9:27 says it is appointed unto man to die once, after that comes judgement. There is no grace or repentance after death. D only time som people wil b granted d grace to make up their ways is after d first rapture. And, that grace is jst for those our fore-fathers who didn't hear d gospel of Christ at all. It is nt 4 u and i who knw d truth bt refused to listen. So, if u wanna knw everytin, add me on fb @ ubogu salvation. Or 08135195815

Whenever I see post like this, I can't help but laugh at how people discredit their root and still think they can stand. Instead of using Catholic and Christianity, better use Christianity and protestanism .

LIFE AND DEATH: I greet you friend, (SORRY, I MAY SOUND A LITTLE OUT OF PLACE BUT......)

I want to thank you for your time because the fact that you are reading this line means you have offered me your time.

As you are on the internet I urge u to be closer to any news or article about the building of the Temple in Jerusalem.
I just discovered the urgency about this. I have been hearing of bible prophecies being fulfilled, but I think the most shocking aspect of them yet is just about to be fulfilled.

Take time and visit this site: http://www.raptureforums.com/Signs/50reasons.cfm

Have you read about the 7yr peace treaty (covenant) to be signed between Israel and a certain world ruler, yet to be revealed. That treaty is about to be signed.

Read Dan 9:27 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’[b] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[d]”[e]

Why a peace treaty?

The answer should be clear: the Jews and the Arabs (predominantly Muslims), their neighbors, have been sworn enemies right from history, but let me quickly add that we will yet see real hostilities.
Know what? As you are reading this, the Jews are already in advanced stages of procuring furniture and materials for the new temple. Ask me where this temple will be located. The location will be at the exact point where the Muslim dome of the rock (second most important Islamic sacred places) is situated, at the TEMPLE MOUNT in Jerusalem.
As far as the Jews are concerned the dome must give way because that is where the original Solomon’s temple was and then the reconstructed temple by Nehemiah.
As zealous as the Muslims, are only over their dead bodies will the dome give way – note that there have been other serious political issues between these nations.
Pls try and imagine what “fire works” we are expecting. As it is now the whole world is focused on the middle east, and if you don’t know it yet, know now that the tone of world’s peace and security is determined by the fallouts of what is going on in that region.
Matt 24:6.7 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom……………

You can now see why the world rulers will consider it a necessity to somehow contrive a kind of peace treaty over there.
Immediately after the treaty signing, the world as we know it will enter its final 7 yrs. These are the years as covered in Rev4-19 also Dan 9:27 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’[b] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[d]”[e] And Matt 24:15-30 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 …............
…………29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Just before all these begin to happen 1Thes4:16,17 and Matt 24:36-41 will be fulfilled. THE RAPTURE!!!!
1Thes4:16,17 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Matt 24:36-41 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

But, friend, this is where my worry is: As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Matt 24:37-39

Do you notice the level of ignorance of people to these facts?!!!!!!

I gave my life to Jesus to avoid being caught unawares and left behind during the rapture. What about you?

To give your life to Jesus you must do the following:

Realise that you are a sinner by birth.
Realise that because of your sin you are condemned to perish in hell
Believe that Jesus died to save you from the consequences of sin (eternal death by hell)
Accept Jesus in your life as your lord and saviour by saying the following prayer:

Lord Jesus I thank you for giving me this opportunity to be saved. I’m sorry for all the days I have lived in sin. I ask you now to come into my life to be my lord and saviour.
Thank you lord for saving me. In Jesus’ name. Amen.

If you said the prayer above, then congratulations and welcome into the household of God. You are rapture ready.



SEND THIS MESSAGE ROUND

The happenings in the world today are simply proving what we already know will take place, let not your heart be troubled. Live in such a way that when the day of reckoning comes, you will not be found wanting, after all we are strangers here.

The great armageddon war will sure take place because of mount zion( the literal Jerusalem).

Kei144: He. 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,
He. 12:23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,
He. 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


I think that there were some things that the early Church (led by Jews) knew that the Romans (gentiles) did not clearly understand when they took over leadership of the Church from the Jews. The Roman Church therefore began to teach doctrines that were corrupted. That is why I see the RCC as the first stage in the evolution of the gentile church. I do not condemn the church; I rather see it as how the gentiles started their Christianity.

The doctrine of purgatory seems to be one of those corrupted doctrines, by which I mean that there may have been a clearer understanding of what happens to spirits (souls) of dead saints (followers of Christ) while they rest in Paradise. Hebrews 12:23 may be alluding to that. We all know that no follower of Christ has yet attained perfection in the land of the living. It is only the followers of Christ that will participate in the rapture that must attain perfection here on earth (Eph 5:27). But Heb 12:23 describes spirits of dead saints already made perfect. The process of purging the spirits of dead saints of their imperfection may be what purgatory is all about. However, the process is definitely nothing like the RCC describes in their doctrine of purgatory.

You quoted a good passage from the bible. I suggest you keep an open mind, hopefully by the end of this discussion, your remaing doubt must have been cleared.

ProfChris10: I am a witness to this, Paul was saying something similar in Rom7:15-24, but in 25 he finally understands the mystery of it all, and it was this same Paul that fought the good fight of faith, he was able to endure till death, the secret is in Christ Jesus, I'm a witness to this, I have tried my power to live righteous but it didn't work, one still finds himself doing what he doesn't like, but thanks be to God, through Christ, you become dead to sin, you no longer have the desires, even when temptation comes Jesus is able to keep us from falling. my point is that we should not put hope in a purgatory, pray God to keep you spotless and blameless, Christ is coming for a spotless and blameless church, without wrinkle. Sometimes the truth is bitter, Nothing unholy shall enter therein, How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation. Though we all are entitled to our own believes. Stay blessed.

No one is aiming at purgatory for it is not even a permanent destination. It can even be regarded as a process instead of a place. As you rightly quoted Rev 21 v27 that nothing impure will enter heaven, with an open mind, study 1john5V16-17 to notice the group of sinners who you are expected to pray for, for the forgiveness of their sins. Also take a look at Heb12V22-24 for those who made heaven as God's first born whose names are written in heaven and those who entered as spirits of good people made perfect. Notice that the first group don't need to be made perfect but the second group are good but had to be made perfect. the process or place of making the second group perfect is what we call purgatory.

italo: In the world to come NEVER means another generation.

You see that you cannot handle truth.

In the world to come is surely the life after death.

Sins can neither be forgiven in heaven nor hell.

Only in purgatory!

What about 1 Cor 3:15?

Where is it talking about? Another generation?

Don't worry bro, she will soon start preaching reincarnation all in a bid to discredit the teachings of purgatory.

ProfChris10: where did the message of purgatory originates from? Truth be told, I see this as one of satan's strategy to make man believe there is still hope even while continuing in sin. But shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? What was the purpose of Christ coming into the world, are you saying Christ blood was not able to save that sinner that comes to Him in true repentance? It is appointed unto man once to die, and after that judgement. Heb10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down in the right hand of God in verse 18 it says, "now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. My brothers and sisters Christ has paid the final sacrifice for sins, no amount of prayers can save a sinner after death, now is the time.

You seem not to even understand what purgatory is all about. It is not meant for those who willingly continue to live perpetually in sin but for those who are sincerely making effort to live holy, but for the sake of human weaknesses; are guilty of venial sin.

If truth must be told, your faith alone gospel compel people to live habitually in sin more compared to the teachings of purgatory.

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]I strongly believe that there is nothing like purgatory,is either hell fire or heaven. Some people said if you commit sin and die you go to purgatory and do six months frog jump before you enter heaven that is a pure lie.[/quote]Why open a thread with lies.

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]In d world to come mean anoda generation afta dis generation and nt purgatory. So ur bible quotatn did nt correspd wit purgatory. take it or live it notin lyk purgatory.[/quote]Are you implying someone who lived and sinned in this generation should reincarnate and live in the next generation to be forgiven?

Rich4god: Thank God am finally back. No more long term absence... So, to start with... where are those that have scores to settle with me. e.g Sal C.
God bless you all.

Lol! Do I have scores to settle with you?

Lanretoye: hello doc,pls i have a sister that just removed a lump in her breast and i understand that the lump has to be tested for cancer...i want to know how much it will cost to do such test.

It varies depending on the weight of the tissue and lab involved. But relax your mind, it might not be higher than #5000.

italo: A moderator who happily breaks the rules he should uphold...

...and people wonder why our country is in a mess.

Obadiah has always been good at derailing. It's good he's now a mod, at least he is gradually changing.

obadiah777: nah Sal. this here topic is about purgatory. we are talking about being purged in the wilderness

Hmm

Lol Obadiah and his friends aren't you guys derailing this thread already?

vickyO: People who die in Christ.

is the word saints only applicable to those who die in Christ?

vickyO: When you die in Christ, you resurrect and all you do in heaven is give praise to God not busying yourself interceding for humans. The same Jesus is the mediator between God and man, not the saints or even the Blessed Mary.

Who are these saints? Who and who make up the saints.

vickyO: How are you so sure she's in Heaven? Has your pope been there? We are to intercede as believers (not only pastors) for believers like us and unbelievers. And the bible doesn't tell us to ask the dead for help in anyway. better stick to what the Bible says than some far fetched doctrines that have no biblical backing.

The problem is that you doubt the words of Jesus Christ when he said that those who believe in him will never die.

When he said that, he didn't mean the physical death.

woky: yea.. I was banned yesterday by atispambot. I received ur PM yesterday night but it seem you don't gt my reply.

Tnkx for ur concern. Hope u ar getting stronger..

Ok welcome back.
Am fine.

@ woky Are you serving some kind of ban? Seems something is wrong since yesterday. Check your mail please.

sirwilly50: I can submit that all of you who are speaking fake about this Man of God (Rev Fr. Ejike Mbaka ) were all hired to write these nonsense. but i am so very much sorry for all of you because you have been caused already.

however, Ejike Mbaka and his ministry is of divine and real. never you think of destroying his name because the punishment that await you cannot be handled. respect him and his ministry. and to all of you who are union banks, get ready to fold up because of these allegation leveled against the man of God

Is the Union bank issue still on? Thought it's been resolved.

Syncan: Hello brethren, hope you all woke up fine. @ Sal C, Hope you're getting stronger. @ Italo, I believe the event went well. @ Mr. Aladin, a pleasant morning to you, your piece are always nice. @ Woky, the excitement from hurricanechris testimony... no be small thing. @ babestell, how was the mass yesterday, no harvest this time I hope. @ damerry, how your end? @ Ube, a blessed day to you I pray. @ Rich, strikt, Missionas, et al, may your day be fulfilled in the Lord. Amen.

*feeling great this morning*

Glory to Jesus! Honor to Mary!

Yeah, very strong.

The name housemaid itself is a turn off for me. If you keep a child under your roof to help you yet you refuse sending her to school, take it or leave it; you are a murderer. Will you not do anything possible to send your own child to school? Do same for your house help.

@Divepen Are you serious about this or is it a joke?

That's true.

You expect us to write from genesis to revelation?

Politics in Nigeria! A do or die affair!

ATMC: lol...yhu guys were not observant enough yo!
btw, erm...has this eclipse anything to do with matt 24 v 29?

Don't think so cuz. The sun did not actually grow dark neither did the moon stop shining or the stars falling from heaven. The event of Matt24 V 29 is an event which will take place within a time range as a sign. But eclipse has been taking place from time immemorial.

Let me not go into stating if this will be a literal occurrence or not.

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]you can do more than dis, say sumtin to op's comment na.[/quote]I responded to those who deserved it.

Royally: yeah, it has. Did the eclipse really happen? Didn't see it and I'm in the north.

Gud p.m. House

Don't think it happend.

ARareGem: Why are you laughing? You're making me laugh. Lol.

My dear carry on. Laughter itself is medicinal. Lol!

ceejay80s: mod.. See muslim man dey joke wîth sensitíve talk, íf na mohammed person take joke, mods go dey bann us
ì hate dem and ìts my right

Alfa is a satanist not muslim.