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This thread will hit at least 10 pages, Lol.

Onlytruth: hehehe! the guy is fond of always putting us last in his list.

Nwanne I just created the stuff, pls check your office.

Onlytruth: Yes I am much happier now! lol

Nwanne dont kill me pls. which one be ur happier now, lol

jason123: .



Where is GEJ from? Who is the defunct prime-minister?? C'mon afam. . .



That pesin must be god o! .

No one, not even an Igbo man of Ikemba statue would grant your request.

But those are things I can get if I were to be on my own. The thing is this - at some point we have to decide what we want. Do we want to be dragging feet or do we want to run - if we want to run then whats the problem? Give people what they want let them go and create jobs and lift themselves out poverty. If I feel I can lift myself out of poverty faster and better alone dont you think its natural for me to feel like I need to get out of here?

FG can do all that I wrote above in a jiffy, the problem is lack political will. The more they keep slobbing on this lack of will the more people are born into poverty and at some point people will no longer care about the bombs and bullets after all are their conditions not worse than bombs and bullets?

[quote author=ndu_chucks]I suppose in your mind, there is no one in the North that is capable of leading the country in 2015. I'd like to think that that's not what you meant by your statement above.



Do you mind explaining the bolded in layman's terms? Do you, like the known separatists and secessionist, believe that disintegration is the only cure for what you call radioactive minds? Please do not dodge this question because your views are respected.[/quote]Now unlike you ndu_chuks, I will answer your question with a straight answer - no bull no trivial solutions (mr trivial solution I bet your laughing your butt off) Lol.

Disintegration is not the only cure for Nigeria but its another antibiotic turked away in the shelves should the first shot fail. So much has happened in Nigeria for me to say the only thing that'll satisfy me is immediate disintegration. As a human, I want to have plan A and B, my plan A is to make where I'am work but if its not working I should be able to use my plan B.

These are conditions under which I will be comfortable drapping Nigerian flag (plan A)

1. Create equal number of states or go back to regional govt.
2. Conduct credible census with ethnicity in the data.
3. Every state should be allowed to keep and manage its resources, that is if we dont go back to regional govt.
4. Only 50 % of resources found in a location or region or state should be given to FG.

5. Let states or regions control all their stuff from education to police, FG police will only get involve in matters that are more complicated (e.g if mr A from State B or region B is denied justice because of his ethnicity or faith)

6. Abolish current presidential system and replace it with parliamentary system and let every state or region produce First minister. From the pool of these first ministers we can choose who will be prime minister (This #6 can be modified).

7. No more bogus numbers of house of assembly, any region or state that can not stand economically must lose their house of assembly members and must be required to merge with any region or state that accepts them.

8. Every state or region must make their laws and their laws must be consistent with One Nigerian ideals, it must never be discriminatory.

9. FG will only handle two things - Defense and currency.

10. FG must never use our common wealth for religious purposes, be it pilgrimage to Mecca or shango or Okija, enough of that.

11. Seal the border with Niger republic and Chad, whoever must cross must do so after being properly checked.

I probably have other things to add to that list.
Anyway, if we can have that either through national assembly or SNC then I'm in.

If we cant get at least 70% of whats on that list then whats the point wasting time building and building when I know its going to be another 50 yrs 2.0.

jason123: Okay, what do you call fair? A technocrat of Non-Igbo extract or an Igbo man as president? I want your honest reply . . .

No extra requirement, dont need to prove any thing to any body, extra state or complete abolition of states - back to regional control, accurate census with ethnicity included in the data, second Niger bridge, upgrade our existing airport to international status, dredge river Niger and make sure its seaport is capable of handling huge ships - no more stories, resource control, state police and few others I dont remember right now. If I get the above keep your presidency I'm fine.

jason123: Lol, you are a funny man! Yes, you are Igbo . . . .and so?
My fiancee is Igbo! My brothers HAPPILY are married to an Edo (bini) and Hausa woman, respectively. Closest friend and "brother" is Igbo (from Awka, Anambra). Closest friend while in Nigeria is Igbo from Enugu.

So Ikenna, I am as mixed, Nigerian and free as you can get! I was simply stating my opinion, you might (I might as well, who knows?) be the one that is not objective . . . . A woman once complained to her husband that the neighbors laundry is dirty and never washed. The husband simply cleaned the window and told his wife to look at the laundry again, to her surprise it was sparklingly clean.

Bro, have a nice night rest.

Yea, happy easter man.

jason123: But it has never happened in Nigeria though.
The only time it happened was the Civil war and the SS and Middle-belt were WILLING participants. I'll borrow a quote from my edo bros, gareth, he said, " why do we keep saying Core-North and Yorubas when the SS and MB were part and parcel of it all".

Other than the Civil war, the coups were mainly Northern coups and most of which were headed by Middle belters. So what exactly am I saying? There was never a "gang-up" (except the CW and probably the 2011 election) and there will never be.







Certainly, I understand where you are coming from. My worry is that we might be risking another 8 years just because we want to appease Ndigbo, not that there is anything wrong with that but it will just generate a cycle of presidents who will not do their job.
At the end of the day, an Igbo president might not fix the Igbo problem (assuming the problems are infrastructural). He might simply be an understudy of a god-father or risk being labelled as a "tribal leader" if he shows favour.

I believe Nigeria's problem is too complicated to be sacrificed at the altar of appeasement. If we keep this up, every ethnic group will want to be appeased. But for how long bro?

Our focus should be on electing a technocrat and if he so happens to be an Igbo man, then all Glory be to God!

We need one of these men in Aso rock 2015; Fashola, Amechi, Chime and Rochas; if not, this will be another wasted generation. . . that is, if there will still be a Nigeria.

No groups have won a war without ganging up to protect their booty, its never happened before. I dont begrudge them, its their win and by nature they should protect their interest. However, today is a new day and whatever alliance that existed died ages ago, in fact if their was anything left of it, it completely died on the June 12th of 1992. So we need to either respect, trust, and give all fair handshake or we call it quit.

The problem Nigeria has today is not gang up or gang down, what we have are radioactive minds that will neither decay nor annihilate no matter how we try to spin or collide it in Fermilab.

jason123: On a real, we need a technocrat not another president to appease a region or ethnic group. Are we going to keep appeasing people? Certainly not! Btw, I thought zoning was dead, so what is all this? Please guys, we need sensible people in power. I, for one, am tired of the constant failure of power supply, the insecurity, the injustice in the ND, the CRIMINALITY of the so-called militants (both BH and MEND), the rewarding of criminality (I heard BH wants amnesty, for where?! ), our bad health section, our continuously decreasing standard of education, among others.

If you guys are not tired, I am!!!

If you paid attention you would see that I detest this clamour for presidency. Now, this is what I mean when I say "fixated minds." When you see my username boldly signalling that I'm Igbo what first comes to your mind? Do you adjust to slash and burn my post or do you read with open and objective mindset? How do you feel as soon as you hear me mention Igbo - do you get jumpy, irritated, uncomfortable, unhappy, or indifferent? Nwanne, you can find both wisdom and doodoo in Osama Bin Ladin's messages, the problem is - which one are you looking for. If you love Osama, his words would be gospel but If you dont then it doesnt matter what he said.

jason123: @Highlighted

In as much as I understand that you are entitled to your opinion, I must say, I was quiet disappointed when I read the highlighted part of your post. If that was the case, GEJ will have NEVER won the election. That's something for you to think about. . . .

You missed the point. I said they probably have sat down before to make sure Easterners are kept from power and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that after the civil war North and West strategically had to agree on something to protect their interest by keeping the east away from power.

Did you read where I wrote that 70 through 2000 is a long time and its not plausible that whatever alliance they formed still exist till today given the fight for Aso rock that every zone is engaged in.

Maybe you jumped to critize but didnt take time to read my post well, go back to my post you will find the answer to your disappointment. Now, to help you one more time, 42 yrs is a long time for Yoruba and Hausa to still be in cahoots. Today, its every man for himself, no zone is looking out for any zone, however what we still have today are minds that are still contaminated due to indoctrination and hate on both sides of the aisle. These minds are either hating or are afraid of the unknown. These minds are more dangerous than whatever maffia that existed.

Katsumoto: Sam Ikenna

I hope you noticed those comments. Everyone in Nigeria except Ndigbo is responsible for the sorry state of affairs.

Yea I see it. Dede1 is wise and intelligent enough to defend himself. I believe I belong to the same ethnic group as Dede1 so in a way I understand where hes coming from. Dede1 and I dont have to agree all the time but I would be pretending if I say I didnt get his drift, I do but here is what I think - Nigeria is too big and complex to be controlled by one group or maffia. Maybe it was easy to steamroll Nigerians immediately after the civil war because there was one identified enemy (East). So, if we're to look at things from 1970 - 80s prism we would say yes there was a group that wanted to sit on Easters by any means possible (remember the east was the only region that didnt have a military representative in FG's supreme military council, I might be wrong but I doubt it), but 1970 through 2000s is a lot of time to still have that cabal intact. The carry-over or, if I may, product of those yrs of institutionalized ejection of Easterners from corridors of power is, today, a fixated mindset. Fixated minds are the products we all are trying to soften.

So, in the nutshell, do I believe Yoruba, Hausa-Fulani, and Kanuri are in one place planning to kill and maim me - No, I dont think they're that united like they were in 1970s to pull that kind of stuff, they're probably fighting to snatch the keys from eachother. But do I believe they've sat down before to plan on how to keep Igbos and other Easterners away from power? you bet they have.

Anyway, a lot has happened since the end of civil war and you have to know that many minds have been glued due to hate and indoctrination on both sides and its only God or mr death that can effect a change. But there is hope for all of us if we can sit down and hammer out a new way out of our current ditch, failure to do that'll be Nigeria 2.0 for the next 50 yrs - you dont trust me, I hate you, my oil, my turn, and other bla bla bla.

I think shes good, not really great but I might be wrong. Maybe its too much Pizza, Burger, American Idol, America got talent, CNN, Fox, ABC, Sarah palin, Obama, Mcdonnald, and other America-ish things that have messed with my head. I guess I need to go home and eat some ofe uha with pounded yam, ugba, and nkwobi with nice Oriental Brothers' song on full blast then come back and listen to Mercy (aka Chinwo Nnenda) 'cause right now I'm not feeling it.

Dede1: I shall support a group such as MASSOB which is both nationalist and separatist instead of ndu_chucks and certain Nigerians who are shameless cabals.

Any seasonable Igbo person who hungers for the presidency of the cesspit called Nigeria should be shot in a market square.

Dede1, my brother please take am easy. Dont you think Kids will traumatized seeing that in the market square? Maybe in the bush, Lol.

Anyway, I think we're civilized to accomodate differences in outlook, so on that note I would suggest we hear Aso rock die-hard proponents out, If there points are superior then we take it. Personally, I have my own reservations on this whole Aso Rock thing but if thats what more intelligent and wiser elders and brothers say they want then I'm in.

alj harem: Hmmm, then I don't understand the games likes of Onlytruth play here if this is ur actual feeling (although I guessed as much).

Yes Igbos love Nigeria and build "mason" everywhere but later you claim that to be your territory land ?

Also, you as a man, after written all this should be the one to shut likes of Onlytruth up when they come with this baifra thing or Nigeria hates us.

I don't mind a Nigerian president of Igbo extract but as Haka nai (mutum nagari) clearly stated, the fear of other groups should be addressed but likes of onlytruth even though he did not fight the war, the here shouting fire on Nairaland.

Even I at time fear, I would not lie. I hope our fears don't come to reality with an Igbo president.

I will give a reply because you deserve one. Let me start by saying that in Nigeria we know who expansionists are, I dont think Igbos belong to that group historically or culturally. We've never fought out hosts - prove me wrong. If you sell your land because you need money tell me why you should turn around to blame or hate the buyer?

If you recall, Ojukwu's father owned so much in Lagos but when the final buzzer sounded he left everything, he did not say "I wont leave because Lagos is my land." The problem with Nigeria is that we have created, fed, and sustained this ludicrous myth about Igbo dominating this or claiming that. Tell me one thing that we used force to get? Rather we've lost a lot by force yet we're always blamed for either trying to use force or trying to dominate, dont start with 66 coup 'cause if we go by that standard then the entire North would be accused of infinite expansion.

There is one thing, I believe, that caused all this wahala, its simply cultural difference. Some people in Nigeria came from places that had Kings and queens and others didnt. The ones that didnt take orders from Kings and queens are likely to be more competitive given the kind of society they lived and evolved in before being merged with culturally different people. I'm not saying because our culture is different from yours that mine is better, nope. Both have their good and bad sides ok. Anyway, considering that we came from a more competitive society, it became natural for us to rise in positions even though we were late comers in western education. In the light of the above, I can see why others became jittery and this myth that we're out to get others started gaining momentum. I'm not to say we dont have our share of blames, we do have our blames just like every region has some. The point is, after all these years of myth creation and sustainance isnt it time to seperate fact from fiction?

If we say that 100 yrs ago none of us knew the culture of the other what about today? Now, every Tom and Harry knows Igbos compete fiercely in their own homeland (mind you we do normal healthy competition, not war-like type)which means our competition has nothing to do with territorial expansion.

Alj harem in summary, I can understand why my presence and/or rhetoric spooks you sometimes, its neither your fault nor mine but we can still solve it and be happy. We can solve it by either accepting our differences or we can part ways since I'm "dangerous and expansionist."

As for the presidency, I'm more interested in tackling and eradicating the problems of poverty, unemployment, and education in Igboland than being a gate man, I'll only support the bid for Aso rock if Igbo leadership makes a run for it.

On your second bolded, you cant solve your fear by living with it for the rest of your life. You solve it by taking a chance on one Igbo son or you can save yourself this headache by going your way while I go mine. I've done my part in trying to be Nigerian but if you're still scared and unsure of my Nigerianess then we can part ways.

Onlytruth, did you check your email?

[quote author=ndu_chucks]The quote above is indicative of your woes. You are always blaming the boogeyman, for where you find yourselves in the nation, instead of joining others and fighting for your interests through our democratic mechanisms. You can't continue to blame others for your woes, sooner or later, you have to become civilized and learn how to participate in an established process, and become savvy enough to skew the system in your favour. No one will give you any Presidency simply because you are Igbo, olodo.

For starters, you people may want to rally around Nnmani in his quest to become the next PDP BOT chairman. My bet is that, fellow Igbos will work against him in the effort.[/quote]Stop talking about my own woes, what about yours? Are you not bringing your own woes to the center for all to fix for you? Lets just say - yes, I blamed Nigeria for my woes, what about the blame you always put on the boogey elite when it comes to Boko Haram and Almajiris? Didnt you at one point grouped me as one of the elites? Now you see you're not as angelic as you thought.

The woes in your region, tell me if Sanusi and Elrufai, including you and other northern politicians, dont blame Nigeria for it? If you want us to go down that road, you'll lose out in a disastrous way. The problem in yoor domain doesn't look good so if you want all to stop complaining then dont complain about whats going on up north. Dont even come and tell us how ND should share their oil with you since every region should own their owes.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]I agree, do not play fool or blind, you can't be both hot and cold. How do you prove that you are nationalists? Well get rid of groups which are calling for a separate nation such as MASSOB, and start promoting nationalistic ideals instead of separatists ideals.

You stated that "we didnt throw bombs like Boko Haram, we didnt blow up pipelines like MEND did", that is true but your actions caused the deaths of more Nigerians than any action to date by MEND or BH.

My brother, I think you are in denial, you need to stop lying to yourself.[/quote]I ran back to my ancestral land after I was chased, hunted down, and killed. Now, they said running to my homeland caused the death of millions of Nigerians. You brought war to me, I didnt bring war to you - big difference.

ndu_chuks let me help you a little bit by being kind to you in this easter celebration - I've come to understand you have no shame. I guess we should search for all those slaves that ran from away from servitude and violence and send them back to their killers and tormentors simply because they were former slaves. Your belief and attitude makes me sick to my stomach and if I must fight to break away its because of people like you who believe their decision or choice is binding on all men.

If my decision caused the death of millions why do you still want to associate with me? War or no war, your idea of a nation is appalling and as long as you stick to this your godless idea, I dont want to be part of your nation. This your idea is whats keeping people of Papua Guineas under the stranglehold of Indonesia. Your idea of freedom and persnal destiny has no space in the African continent and you should be ashamed of it. Based on your logic we should still be under Britain, we should be serving as slaves because Brits and US are obviously stronger. Might to you is right and as long you win whoever lost caused the fight. Let me help you one more time with some food for thought - if you think you'll always win then think again, life can be a roller coaster ride so brace up for good and bad changes.

I guess Easterners in another weird way caused Boko Haram, since your logic is - whoever runs away must be guilty why not blame us for running away from Kano and Borno. Your next line is definitely this - "running to your homeland is not the problem, the problem is you broke away from the nation." My answer to that is - why not? Am I beholden to you till eternity? After all didnt the north, precisely Gowon and Murtala, say that the unity of the nation was no longer possible? SW can come out and say they fought so Nigeria could be one eventhough its still arguable, can you, a core northerner, say that in all honesty? You killed millions after you did a U-turn on Nigerian unity and now I am the one that caused the death of those millions. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, sorry.

Haka nai, why did you cross off "one man one wife," dont you know we need population check? Over population is going to wreck us if we dont dial it down.

[quote author=haka_nai]^^^You must learn to dump that word revenge oga mi!The bolded is not a myth Every other thing else in your post is superb!!![/quote]First, lets just say no man is perfect. No matter how smart or objective you think you are, there are some element of ignorance inherent in any human's wisdom, not recognizing it is to play God.

Haka nai, there is no way we're going to agree on everything. If you recall what happened during Obama's 2008 election, some white folks believed Black folks have a score to settle and they were really mortified, terrified, I mean these folks were so scared (to be precise, people from Indiana - I dont live there so dont go looking for me, Lol)I even thought for a second they might be right.

To drive home my point, myths can be created and sustained, in fact if I were in your position I would probably feel the same way. I would be scared to elect the people that I fought against, however, here is the catch - You cant call a man "my fellow country man" unless you mean it and you trust him to be that. You cant eat your cake and have it, you either agree that hes one of you or you let him go his way. I ask all the time, why did you fight to bring me back when you know I cant be trusted? I can vouch for over 98% of Easterners that have at one time or the other advocated for seperation - the reason they did was simply because of this belief (fact) that they're not given a fair handshake. If you're honest with yourself, do you think East was given a fair handshake? Even the Ijaws that were the most vocal group in the east after Igbos thought they would get a nice brotherly love from Nigeria, were they not clamouring for their Ijaw republic more than the Igbos before luck smiled on them with GEJ? Even with GEJ cant you still hear their voices on either SNC or seperation?


Lets not play fool or blind. We all know why people put this extra requirement on Igbos and it'll be foolish on our part to try to meet it because, quite franckly, its un-meeetable. How do we prove we're nationalistic? How do we prove we're not ready to settle scores? Please people what do you think we are? Some brainless fools? How can a nation as big as Igbo sit down to prove they're all that? Did north prove theirs? And if they did who veted it? Did Ijaw prove theirs, even today Elrufai and others still accuse GEJ of planning for Ijaw republic. How did SW prove theirs before OBJ was forced on all of us? How else does a region show their belief in a nation when their people are building mansions every where?


Igbos have nothing to prove to any region or the whole nation, we have done our part. We got knocked down and we got back up, we didnt throw bombs like Boko Haram, we didnt blow up pipelines like MEND did, or you think there are no pipelines in Igboland? We didnt cripple oil extraction from Imo and Abia, or do you still believe we have no oil extraction going on in Abia and Imo? We didnt sabotage Nigeria in anyway and we've been serving with distinctions in the sports, Army, police, institutions of higher learning, private sector, etc what more do you want?

If you ask me, I would honestly tell you I dont want this presidency or any of its trappings but I will gladly swallow my desire or wish for whatever my brothers want. If the majority of Easterners say they want to go to Aso rock then I'll help them get there. Today may not be bright, but after darkness comes the usual morning light.

In the nutshell, as long as this myth that we're not nationalistic is up there, Nigeria will not survive for too long. Like Onlytruth said, its either we're seen as Nigerians or we're not. We never saw ourselves as brothers before the Brits came so you have no right to force me to be your brother when you have no good intentions for me. I understand we're blacks and in some way we're related but how good is that relation if all you care about is making sure you're the only one with Aso rock keys?

To a be strong nation, all component parts of that nation must not only be strong but also complement eachother - Are we building a strong nation? If I say I want out do you demonize me, tag me "criminal and lazy" or do you ask me why I want out?

Its physically impossible to build a strong Nigeria without any of the 3 big groups that make up Nigeria, I'm not counting out the smaller groups because its morally impossible and reprehensible to think we can build or live off any of the minority groups. So my brother, nation building requires all hands - you can cut mine off because of your myth or you can attach it back and take a leap of faith on me.

Happy easter.

Katsumoto: Lets look at some events after the coup. Even though, Ironsi was allegedly not part of the coup, some of his actions/inactions led many to believe there was an Igbo agenda. If there was no agenda, all Ironsi had to do was handover power to the NPC nominated prime minister.

1. Appointments

Chief of Staff (Supreme Headquarters) – Ogundipe (West)
Chief of Army (Staff) – Gowon (North)
Chief of Staff (NAF),Lt. Col.George Kurubo (East, non-Igbo)
Commanding Officer, 2 Bde, Lt. Col. H. Njoku (East, Igbo)
Commanding Officer, 2 Bn, Major H. Igboba (Midwest, Igbo)
Commanding Officer, Abeokuta Garrison, Major G. Okonweze (Midwest, Igbo)
Commanding Officer, 4 Bn, Major Nzefili (Midwest, Igbo) -Rejected by Northern troops and replaced by Joe Akahan
Commanding Officer, Federal Guards, Major Ochei (Midwest, Igbo)
Commanding Officer, 1 Bn, Major D. Ogunewe (East, Igbo)
Commanding Officer, 1 Bde, Lt. ColW. Bassey (East, non-Igbo)
Commanding Officer, 3 Bn, Major Okoro (East, Igbo)
Commanding Officer, Depot, Major F. Akagha (East, Igbo)
Commanding Officer, 5 Bn,Major M. Shuwa (North)

2. After the Police completed its interrogation, the January coup suspects were transported to different prisons in the South but mainly in the East

3. A court-martial panel was nominated, headed by Lt. Colonel Conrad Nwawo (Nzeogwu’s friend and the man responsible for negotiating Nzeogwu’s surrender). Yet every time this panel was to sit, directives came from Supreme headquarters to postpone

4. The deaths of the victims in January, apart from Balewa, were not announced until after Ironsi was overthrown, leaving room for rumours and innuendos.

5. Ironsi’s advisory team comprised Francis Nwokedi, Pius Okigbo, and Lt. Colonel Patrick Anwunah

6. Ironsi made Nwokedi the sole commissioner forthe establishment of an administrative machinery for a unified Nigeria

7. Ironsi abolished the compulsory Hausa test for civil service positions in the North, meaning that non-Hausa speaking people could take positions in the North.

8. Ironsi promulgated decree 34 which divided Nigeria into 35 provinces and made all civil servants part of a unified civil service despite being advised not to do so by Katsina, Gowon, Bassey, and Kam Salem. The day after the promulgation of decree 34, Lt. Col.Ojukwu publicly announced in Enugu that on the basis of seniority, Igbo civil servants would be transferred to other regions and Lagos.

9. The Drummermagazine June publication contained two provocative articles; “Why Nigeria Exploded” by Nelson Ottah which allegedly derided northern leaders,and “Sir Ahmadu rose in his shrouds and spoke from the dead” by Coz Idapo, which allegedly featured a cartoon in which the reverred late Premier was asking for forgiveness from Idapo. These articles were blamed for the May 1966 riot in some Northern cities which led to approximately 600 Igbo deaths

10. Offensive photographs showing Major Nzeogwu standing on the late Sardauna of Sokoto were said to be distributed in the open including market places.Some Igbos were even alleged to have worn stickers to that effect and were eager, in conversations with northerners, to point to Nzeogwu saying ‘Shi ne maganin ku”, meaning “he is the one who can knock sense into you”.Grammophone records with machine gun sounds were released, to remind Northerners, it is said, of the bullets that felled their leaders in January. If this wasn’t true, why did General Ironsi issue orders that anyone displaying provocative pictures or singing offensive songs would be arrested for incitement and would face 3 months imprisonment or 50 pounds fine or both (Decree 40)?

11. An Army company was deployed to Sokoto as a permanent garrison allegedly under an Igbo Major.

12. Shehu Shagari was detained and questioned for three days in Lagos about questions over NPC funds. The houses of other NPC chieftains were also searched. What about NCNC officers? Were they not in government as well?

13. Eleven (11) Majors were promoted substantive Lt. Cols while fourteen (14) Majors were made temporary Lt. Cols.Of these, 19 were Igbo or Igbo speaking easterners and midwesterners, 5 northerners (Katsina, Akahan, Shuwa, Muhammed, Haruna) and one Yoruba (Olutoye). These promotions happened even though there was a moratorium on promotions in the military.

14. In his biography titled“Power with Civility” by Oleka and Ofondu (Neskon 1998), Rear Admiral Ndubuisi Kanu, an Igbo easterner who later fought in the Biafran Navy, states:“That Igbos, including soldiers in the barracks, teased their Northern counterparts about what they regarded as swapping of fortune, served to fray tempers.It was not long before Northerners vented their spleen on their Igbo guests. An orgy of killing of Igbos throughout all nooks and crannies of the Northern Region kicked off.”In his book, “Revolution in Nigeria, Another View” late General Garba describes how his soldiers in the Federal Guard broke down in tears in Jankara market in Lagos when they heard the album “Machine Gun” .General Danjuma (rtd) says even the wives of Igbo soldiers were taunting the wives of Northern soldiers.

15. In an interview back in the early eighties with Radio Kaduna, then Brigadier (later Major General) Mamman Vatsa, now deceased, is quoted by Elaigwu as saying:
“The July coup was motivated by the actions in January 1966 whereby an illegal action was legitimized.If you do that, you expect a counter reaction. July 29, 1966 was a reaction to an inaction against an illegal action….Right from the beginning, the GOC, Nigerian Army regarded these people as ‘rebels’.If that was accepted, the immediate thing was to take the necessary action to get them disciplined legally. If this was not done, then the GOC was condoning indiscipline or treason.Rather than punish men from his army who were on mutiny, he was now asking the civilian government to hand over to him before he could maintain discipline in an organization of which he was in charge….In the first instance, he shouldn’t even have taken over the power……”

What you brought up here is a one-sided story, better put, your story. He said this, he said that, picture this, picture that - where is the picture of Nzeogwu standing on Bello's body? "They dont have it but they're sure it exists." They'll tell you how Igbo women printed shirts showing Bello's body and taunted northern people bla bla. All these are stories, dont act like we dont know how colonial masters and their stooges twisted stories in the African continent during the 60s.

In fact show me any African country where the colonial master supported the right group? They only supported the group that will deliver the new independent nation back to them, I guess its only in Nigeria that we turn logic upside down to suit our conspiracy or hate. Its only in Nigeria that people who live in the desert are more than people who enjoy the forests, oceans, rivers, savanahs etc.

Anyway, the point is - Igbo did not plan coup, those who acted acted on their own. The reason all these conspiracy bull is coming out is just to paint Igbo black so they can justify the massive carnage they wrecked on us. Thank God we're alive today to stare in the face of the murderers. If they must know, we have 4given them but what we will not do is to 4get how we were made scapegoats, how our friends and foes teamed up with FG and Britain to kill millions of my kinsmen simply because oil was in the east and "queen" Eliza wasn't gonna leave it in the hands of "uppity" Igbos.



I have long stopped listening to Nigerian justification for their ignominy, for all I care, they can knock themselves out with it. During the war all newspapers in Nigeria said Ojukwu was "the devil." They said Nigeria would be "paradise" as soon as they get rid of Ojukwu or win the war. Well, 42 years after the war we now know why they were hungry for blood. They got the oil and forced my people back but Nigeria never recovered.

Today, we have new lords and they're speaking in bombs not in words. We dont even know the name of the church they're likely to attack during this easter break. We're begging them to stop attacking us - thats the paradise for which FG killed 3 million to have.

Time to go to bed.

Lets put this way - if you're a muslim you're more likely to be appalled, if you're a christian you'll probably lean towards seeing it as not much of a big deal.

For me this is the real deal - in an ideal democracy polticians/office holders should not accept anything from contractors, they should be ok with the check we give them and the ones they steal at the end of the month. So based on idealization, GEJ should not have accepted or solicited for a gift from Ghitto or Ghetto.

Now the question is - is Nigerian nation any where near ideal? The answer is obvious and based on that its disingenuous to call for GEJ's impeachment. If we're to go down that road then both the caller and the last man on the street should be impeached or even put to jail.

Nigeria has always mixed extreme religion with politics, it started even way before IBB dragged us to OIC. The solution, hopefully, would come with time. If we keep managing this democracy like we're currently doing, I believe common sense will gradually prevail with time and we'll eventually find the needed delicate balance between religion and state.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]nwanne, to call Dede1 a fool is itself foolish. You should be able to recognize a tonge-in-cheek statement when you see one. I will add however, that you and Dede1 would remain wise if your calls for the disintegration of Nigeria is limited to the internet. If you make that call in your home towns loudly enough, I predict that your own Governor, for starters, will throw you in jail. So don't be foolish.

Divorce is typically the lazy man's way of managing a troubled marriage, particularly when better options, which will not hurt their children, exist.[/quote]You're not talking to a 5yr old.

[quote author=ekt_bear]Sam Ikenna.

Not too sure how old you are. But are you saying that your parents were not amongst the upper echelon of education in Nigeria?

The problem is I think some of you are defining "elite" only by the amount of money in someone's pocket.

But the way the world has been for the past 30 or 40 years of so, this isn't the case...if you have brains but no money, you can easily earn an excellent salary.

If your parents went to somewhere like UNN or whatever the best Eastern Nigerian schools were at that time, then I'm not sure it is fair to pretend as if you are just an ordinary guy, or the child of ordinary folk

Not many were able to do what your parents did..[/quote]In a way you're right. However, what I dont subscribe to is how some races like to trivialize our efforts. Anyway, lets give it up for Nigerians in the US. In all the schools that I went to most of the black students came from Nigeria, Ghana, and Congo. I only met 3 African American males in my core engineering classes, one female, 2 males - one of the males got stabbed and the other was scared to hell of QM.

[quote author=ekt_bear]How many of you NLs or Nigerians who have made it in the US/Europe/etc (or are in the process of making it) have illiterate parents? Impoverished parents? Parents who've never been to university?[/quote]You have a point bro.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]How many of the 100-150 million Nigerians do you think have the opportunity to own or drive a car, to the point of being able to extend road courtesy. You must belle full first before you begin find motor to drive. You sir belong to the said upper class. Your only flaw is the limitation you place on your potentials, by your continuous and foolish call for the disintegration of our dear country.[/quote]That you disagree with his call does not make him a fool. Foul language is where our problem is. If you have a better option table it before all. In the end I can tell you that one of the reasons people call for disintegration is to stick to it you 'cause they know thats where it hurts you.

Who would not want to go to the US or Eu or anywhere without Visa? Now if I like the idea of going to China or Uk with no Visa what makes you think I want to go Odua or Arewa with papers? People want either a fair treatment of be cut loose, its just that simple. If you dont like his position then tell us what yours is - Like for instance, I like the huge market Nigeria presents but on the other hand I dislike that I might get killed for nothing for either my faith or because I was drinking beer in Zamfara. Now how do we eliminate extremism and retain the market? Lets get to the root of it before you start going for my chin. That I call for disintegration may be a sign that I feel the market is not worth the effort in Zamfara, Imo, or Bayelsa. Anyway, my point is lets get to the root of the matter before we demonize people who're responding to the symptoms.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]You are in the minority buddy. Such happens to war victims (not that I am assuming that you were one), I'm glad you survived and are doing well.[/quote]I think most Nigerians are naturally resillient and would defy the worst odds to survive - that is what our leaders have failed to tap into.

alj harem: I am not on your people, Your people should stop claiming and stop spreading falsehood.

I am saying this now so as to avoid trouble in the future, what you cannot try inn Calabar, Kano or even as central as Abuja is only tried in Lagos.

It time you people get it straight once and for all. Don't take our kindness for stu.pidity

Good luck to you on that.

Katsumoto: Haka nai is right in that some Igbo folks are on a revenge mission; you can't pretend not to have read posts from Onlylies, Dede1, Chino, etc who talk about settling scores, etc.

Although you are mostly mature in your outlook, responding to negative remarks/comments in a negative manner isn't mature. You have spent some time on this forum to know who to respond to. Responding to posters who are only for making incendiary comments is a waste of time. There will always be those, from every tribe, who are looking to forment trouble.

Another problem with your post is the comment about what Nigeria did to you. Remember that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. You can't talk about what Nigeria did to you without talking about what some Igbos did to other Nigerians. It doesn't quite work in that way you are alluding to. Evereyone in Nigeria has wronged every other person in Nigeria; everyone is innocent and guilty at the same time.

Don't worry, my 'region' was not insulted.

You're right in some ways. However, when I say "what Nigeria did" to me, I hope you dont equate to mean what Isoko, Yoruba, or Hausa did to me. Nigerian state had a moral and legal burden to treat her citizens right but it failed and thats the issue. Yourba has a moral burden to bear on behalf of Igbo just Igbo has on behalf of Yoruba, this burden is not legal so when I say Nigeria did wrong I hope you dont equate it with one ethnic group or another because its not any ethnic group's legal duty to protect or help the other.

On what Haka nai said, you're free to believe it if you want to. Revenge in a country like Nigeria is more dangerous than a hydrogen bomb, whoever goes there is on his own.

alj harem: Built by the british but NOT BY OIL [b]OR IGBOS [/b]or even Nigerians so stop the illogical argument.

So you can not claim that Oil built those but the british, If anyone is to take credit for Lagos then it is the British Not Oil or FCT statues !!!

Nwanne when will you lay off Igbo? Lagos belongs to SW, end of the story - whoever contests that is either blind or something else. If you're not Yoruba but you live in Lagos, you're a tenant, pure and simple.

Now, Alj Harem, its time to lay off my people.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]You people are arguing about semantics, but I have to agree with Mallam ekt_bear, that most of you people here on NL and abroad are upper class Nigerians.

How many of the 100million people can afford 3 square meals, not to talk of affording to access the internet, and much more going abroad for further education? You elitists here on NL, are suffering from a dangerous disconnect and ignorance of the human conditions in your own country.

How many of the 20million people in Lagos can afford or will ever have the opportunity to travel and/or visit Abuja/Kaduna or Port Harcourt? Ponder the question and see that you are from the upper class of Nigeria.[/quote]I'm not "upper class" how about that? Most of us went through fire and brimstone to be where we are today and to simplify it with "upper class" would be injustice to the pain we put in. Most of us had no one in the US before we took the plunge.

lagcity: ha ha ha ha. don't even go there bro. any president who tries this will be chased out of Aso Rock by his own ADC or even Aso rock Maiguard. don't even go there.

Brother dont you think that somehow we need to a suck on our population? We're pretending like its not an issue but I can tell you that if we dont get our population in check we're going to implode.