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christistruth01:
If Benin owned Lagos the Throne of Oba of Lagos would never have passed through the Maternal line not to talk of the Dukedoms of the Land owner Idejo chiefs

It is the Yorubas that permit it

A current example is Oba Tejuoso of Oke Ona
The Throne belongs to his Mother's family

The last Ataoja of Osogbo in got to the Throne by virtue of his Maternal lineage

It happens in Yoruba Culture but never in Benin

If he tried it in Benin he may not last one day on Throne of the famed Land of Anger (Ile Ibinu) before being dispatched in Pieces to meet his maker

What was the Offence of the New Olu of Warri that he was frustrated from inheriting the Throne in 2016 ?

Was it not because of the flimsy and irrational excuse that his mother was Yoruba that Benin and certain Itsekiri Chiefs went all out and hindered him

Even this time it took the Divine mercy and Intervention of the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ for him to be Crowned King
Olu was overwhelmed and sang Hallelujah that it finally happened

Till the last Second Benin was plotting to frustrate his Coronation ( in Warri O !! Not their Benin)

Even the original Crown meant for Coronation is still missing until now

Is it the same Benin that went to that extent against the Olu of Warri because of his Yoruba mother that would have allowed an entire Throne of Lagos to pass through the Maternal line ?


I only asked you to mention one single Benin Dukedom that was passed through the Maternal line and you ran away because you know it is not a Benin Custom to permit it under any Circumstances

When it happens it is seen as a very great Honour by the Benefactor that must never be betrayed that because of his Mothers Lineage he was entrusted with so much confidence and responsibility

On no Occasion has that Honour been betrayed and that is why it is still Practiced among Yorubas today

The Onikoyi is Paternally an Oyo man from Ikoyi in Osun State but the Onikoyi Dukedom was an Awori Dukedom that was given to him on account of his Awori Lineage through his mother and only because Aromire had taken his father as a Son it is therefore the duty of the Onikoyi to repay the Honour by identifying completely with the Awori Dukedom and upholding it's Heritage and interests in exactly the same way that it would have been upheld if it had passed through the Paternal lineage

That is why I said I and TAO11 understand the Intricacies,Technicalities and responsibilities involved in the Practice it is beyond what you can get your head around because Benin absolutely doesn't permit it neither would they tolerate such a Practice even if it was necessary

TAO11:
Back to these:

I am not sure what/who the sources of the author of your second screenshot are for that Oyo “believe”.

So to claim, based on an anonymous (obviously non-Idejo) source that a certain Idejo is an Oyo person is in itself self-contradictory.

TAO11:
And that’s what I’m saying. IT DOESN’T RELATE.

I will break it down further for you. Be patient …

In your Ife “similitude,” we have Oduduwa and his sons & daughters

In the Lagos scenario, we have Ogunfunminire and his sons & daughters.
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In your Ife “similitude”, Oduduwa’s sons have right to land/rulership at IFE.

In the Lagos scenario, Ogunfunminire’s sons have the right to land/rulership at Lagos.
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In your IFE “similitude”, Oduduwa’s daughters’ sons [or husbands] do not have right to rule anywhere at Ife.

In the Lagos scenario, Ogunfunminire’s daughters’ sons [or husbands] do not have right to rule anywhere at Lagos. — This is my position which is parallel to the case of Ife.

However you are proposing the opposite, and yet you insisting that it is exactly as what is obtainable in Ife.

No, what happened in the case of Ife is that Oodua’s daughters’ sons do not have right to rule at Ife, but they can can go elsewhere and hustle their way to rulership.

But they have no right to rule anywhere at Ife.

Whereas the scenario you’re supposedly citing that for shows something different — which is that: they were told to rule different parts of the vast Lagos territory.

You see the difference. You see why they could not have been sons from daughters [or even inlaws].

Peace!

KingOKON:
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Abdulrasheed....is that a Yoruba name?

christistruth01:
Inheritance of Dukedoms through the Maternal lineage is completely alien and abnormal to Benin Culture and is further Proof that Lagos is Awori and Yorubaland

The Throne of Oba of Lagos passed through the Maternal lineage to get to Ologun Kutere
who had an Ijesha father

christistruth01:
Lagos is Yoruba so what is your Problem ?

Again I ask Name one Single Benin Dukedom that was inherited from the Maternal line

christistruth01:
Name one Single Benin Dukedom that was inherited from the Maternal line


Even the Oba of Lagos is an Awori man with Ijesha (Osun) Paternal Lineage through Alagba his father who was Princess Erelu Kuti's husband there is no reason to discuss the Technicalities of the Tradition involved with you at all you won't get it

christistruth01:
You can not understand what I and TAO11 were discussing simply because where you are from Women's Offspring are never allowed to inherit the Dukedoms, Lands or Chieftaincy Titles of their Mothers Families whereas it happens in Yoruba Culture

Even when lineage is traced through the Maternal Line no Yoruba will dispute the fact that Lagos is the Patrimonial Heritage of the Awori

Give this one a Pass the Tradition is beyond what you understand and you have already shown it ,there is no reason to discuss the Technicalities involved with you at all

christistruth01:
That is undisputed

Whether through mother or Father the area is undisputed AworiLand and the Idejos are Awori Idejos

Awori are the Original Aborigines

No dispute

But for the sake of those who try to Claim Lagos for Benin it is only good to remind them they were not the only outsiders in Lagos it was the Awori that accepted and integrated everyone into their Society

The others have long Integrated and totally accepted the Awori Landowners identity because Lagos is Aworiland

KingOKON:
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This one must have attended Monsiratu Night School....
Mr comprehend can you comprehend ANYTHING!

macof:
There's really something off with every single Bini person on this forum in recent times, you guys aren't bright at all.

I specifically liked how the caption read "legend has it" that is the blow in the caption because it implies that it is an important part of Bini "collective memory" culture

Do you tell this or do you not?
Simple as that. The answer is obviously yes - seeing as there is even a statue depicting it. so for you to try to play around one Yoruba legend as if you don't have legends of your own is foolish

macof:
You are just making noise

Deal with your people who tell fairytales like this

Abohboy:
There's been a massive increase in anti igbo and yoruba history being posted on nairaland and the lies perpetuated are normally from the Bini people so this is for all the revisionists of history from Edo State.

Any single thread that is made to rubbish yoruba and or igbo history will be swarmed, debunked and ended so don't even attempt to make anymore

Cc Yoruba and Igbo Nairaland Community

IDENNAA:
The only people that can stop that is the people they are trying to revise their history.

RedboneSmith:
Its a small band of Benin people (3 or 4 of them) with multiple handles, running around on Nairaland, creating the dumbest posts. �

KingOKON:
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You want solution but you don't want to know the source, how sensible and analytic

TAO11:
My slave got disgraced and is set to flee.

(1) My slave said: Yorubas first put their own account to writing in 2010 — and he said I told him that.

(2) The screenshot of my words shows: A statement in 2010 which references works written years earlier.

It reads:

“Reference: S. Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing, 2010, pp56-57. The asterisked account is noted by the author to have also been cited in (a) Akinjogbin: The Cradle of a Race: Adediran: “The Beginning of the Ife State,” pp. 77-95; and (b) Obayemi: “The Phenomenon of Oduduwa in Ife History,” pp.62-67.”

Samuk failed in real-life and also on Nairaland. What a wasted life!? Haha.

Cc: Abohboy.

TAO11:
You know what’s very amusing about is that whenever you’re about to type, you already know two things:
(1) You KNOW that you’re about to lie.

(2) You also KNOW that I know what you’re about to type is a lie. You KNOW that I know.

Is not that interesting.

You said it was first written in 2010.

But yet you provided a 2010 statement which cited works written years earlier (all attached below). Lol.

You should be given a Bini-title. The Deluded-Fraud in Chief of Benin kingdom.

TAO11:
You’re a fatuous, janus-faced mythomaniac and pathological liar. It’s not surprising anyways — you’re a Bini.

Again, the embedded image below shows a screenshot of the indigenous Ife account of Oduduwa’s origin — with the scholarly reference and citations for that matter. [Compare:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12807748_252a089f7ab349488091c418c293c781_jpeg_jpeg63c55378c2de4a6aa9fc3ffb00c65236

You’ve repeatedly pretended to be deluded, blind and unable to see it, even though your own “Quote”, as revealed in the foregoing image, shows that you’ve seen it.

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TAO11:
Pull out the comment just as you’ve been doing so you can prove your 2010 hallucination.

We can’t wait.

TAO11:
2010 ?? Where did you get that from ?? LMAO.

We Yorubas always knew for centuries that IFE is the source not the Middle East.

Be guided, samuk.

But I appreciate that you took your time to prove that the Middle-East story is false.

TAO11:
Thanks for taking your time to prove that the Middle-East migration story is false.

NEXT •••

TAO11:
Ouch! That comment enter your body.


Why should I debunk you more than once over the same subject?

Abohboy also already indicated that he is aware that you’re yarning crap.

What then has God not done for us?

TAO11:
This is so revealing! I never knew. /s lol!

First of all, the extensively widespread Yoruba account (shown in your first attachment) that Oduduwa is a son of God sent from heaven to Ife, etc. is obvious enough as a non-historical account.

In fact, S. Johnson himself made that clear (on that page of your first attachment) that this is a mythological narrative rather than a historical account. As a gentle reminder, what we’re examining here are historical accounts.

I have discussed this contrast in details in one of my earlier comments on this page. You may refer to the box below for quick guidance on that:


Regarding the second account (shown in your second attachment), my initial comment goes thus: If by your phrase “an indigenous historian” you meant that Johnson is a Yoruba man who gathered accounts that speak of his people, then your usage is correct.

But if by this phrase you meant that the Middle-East story in his book is actually of Yoruba origination; then your phrase is ignorantly false.

Having said that, Samuel Johnson himself made it clear that the oldest traceable origination of this Middle-East story is in the writings of Sultan Bello of Sokoto which he was only able to access via Captain Clapperton.

Your second attachment is taken from page 3 of S. Johnson's work. If you had bothered to go down some two more pages, then you would have found where Johnson continued and clarified that the oldest known root of this Middle-East story is from Sultan Bello of Sokoto.

On this, Rev. Samuel Johnson writes (quoting Captain Clapperton’s extract of Sultan Bello’s story) and I quote here:

“The only written record we have on this subject is that of the Sultan Belo of Sokoto, the founder of that city, the most learned if not the most powerful of the Fulani sovereigns that ever bore rule in the Soudan.

Capt. Clapperton (Travels and Discoveries in Northern and Central Africa, 1822—1824) made the acquaintance of this monarch. From a large geographical and historical work by him, Capt. Clapperton made a copious extract, from which the following is taken :-- “Yarba is an extensive province containing rivers, forests, sands and mountains, as also a great many wonderful and extraordinary things. In it, the talking green bird called babaga (parrot) is found.”

“By the side of this province there is an anchorage or harbor for the ships of the Christians, who used to go there and purchase slaves. These slaves were exported from our country and sold to the people of Yarba, who resold them to the Christians.”

“The inhabitants of this province (Yarba) it is supposed originated from the remnant of the children of Canan, who were of the tribe of Nimrod. The cause of their establishment in the West of Africa was, as it is stated, in consequence of their being driven by Yar-rooba, son of Kahtan, out of Arabia to the Western Coast between Egypt and Abyssinia. From that spot they advanced into the interior of Africa, till they reach Yarba where they fixed their residence. On their way they left in every place they stopped at, a tribe of their own people. Thus it is supposed that all the tribes of the Soudan who inhabit the mountains are originated from them as also are the inhabitants of Ya-ory. Upon the whole, the people of Yarba are nearly of the same description as those of Noofee (Nupe)*”“

~ Rev. Samuel Johnson, “The History of the Yorubas”, Completed 1897, Published 1921, pp. 5-6.


Cheers!

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TAO11:
Samuk

No where in your video did the Ooni claim that Oonis descended from Osiris in Egypt.

His statement, instead, is the direct opposite — he claimed that Osiris of Egypt descended from Ooni.

In other words, he never claimed an Egyptian origin for Oduduwa contrary to what you’re fraudulently desperate to pass to your fellow gullible Binis.
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Moreover, the early 1800s story of a foreign roots for Oduduwa did not originate from within Yorubaland.

Rather, it originated for the first time in Hausaland from the stories of Sultan Bello of Sokoto. Your insecurity is so loud retard.

On the other hand, the historical account I cited originates from Ife; was published in a scholarly work much earlier than 2 0 1 0 [even though the year makes zero difference since the older contrary accounts originated from Hausaland rather than from Ife or anywhere in Yorubaland]; and it specifically makes it clear that Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife. — please commit suicide.


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TAO11:
I told you he would blow up & throw tantrums. And he did just as predicted. Lmao.

The biggest thing for me here is that you snubbed his heap of laughable crap for what what they are — that is, dog-shit.

As such, you’ve clearly communicated to me that you are also aware (from your literacy/ratiocination) that he has simply heaped up crap as a compensation for attention deficit & healing from the Ogané trauma.

Good job on that. Keep it up.

Peace!
Cc: macof

Abohboy:
He was asking permission cause i'm the only sensible and analytical one who doesn't argue with emotions or through ethnicity and on top of that i'm actually willing to learn from arguments not just argue

KingOKON:
Their are lots of factors surrounding the post, you want to draw conclusion on an issue yet you limit yourselves to the least of all limits instead of broadening the the issues before dissecting it to the very least.

Ok just this 1 simple YES/NO question

I ask you again was any location of the said "imaginary" King ever mentioned anywhere

TAO11:
Sane people do computations with numbers.

Spiritual? May be.

The Ooni have not only imperial ascendancy over your kingdom, he also have spiritual ascendancy over it.

As such, he wielded even the highest form of power.

Peace!

Abohboy:
Oduduwa as an egyptian or middle eastern comes much later in the 1900s Oduduwa as a native of Ife or a God is proper history from the Odu Ifa meanwhile the relationship between Benin and Ife is clear because specific garments and crowns worn in Ife are seen in benin artworks [/b]as well and such a link cannot be made without physical contact and trade between the two groups

KingOKON:
Scholars will come and teach me my history, scholars ni scholars ko!

I am focusing on him with open mind, you don't have to be vindictive and negative all the time

macof:
Lol

macof:
I assume "ogane" is oghene because we know that "ogane" is a Portuguese corruption of what they heard in Bini
So what ruler is known by a name similar to "ogane" - I can bet the only one you can mention is Oghene

You have a brain, you can deduce things by being logical, you don't have to be told everything word for word before you know what is what

So unless there's another ruler somewhere known by a name similar to "ogane" you have nothing to say samuk.

Oh, 20 months journey from Benin to the domain of Ogane and back to Benin seems too long to be Ife but you can entertain the idea that it is Igala? Even though Idah is closer to Benin city? Lol. Yoruba paranoia

@bold. You are just contradicting yourself

macof:
Whether it is allegory o, or a drunkards tale or actual facts

The best candidate for that name "ogane" and the relationship shared between ogane and the oba of Benin is the Ooni