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aribisala0:
I do not think this is true . Do the Benin "accept" this ,when where and how?

Don't quote me out of context. If you must quote me, do so completely. Yes Oranmiya ruled in Benin briefly as the grandson of Benin last Ogiso Owodo. Ogiso Owodo was the father of Oduduwa.

TAO11:
Nothing could be more absurd, incoherent and contradictory than the hypothesis that Oduduwa is from Bini land (formerly Igodomigodo land).

The "Oghene N' Uhe" (as the Binis in ancient times articulate "Ooni Ife" ) was considered by the Binis themselves (evidenced by many of their conversations with João Afonso d'Aveiros around 1480) to be suzerain over Bini Kingdom.

The Ooni of Ife was an emperor whose approval must be sought before Benin Kingdom would crown an Oba.

How can such an emperor be descended from a kingdom who accords allegiance to him and his Empire?

It just doesn't add up and there are many more piercing evidence demonstrating that Oduduwa is certainly not from Benin Kingdom even though his Yoruba descendants later gave him admission into the Yoruba pantheon, thus later giving him mythical attributes.

Regarding whether or not Olugbo of Ugbo was the ruler of Ife prior to Oduduwa's ascension from "his country", wherever that is:

Firstly, the submission of modern experts on the subject of whether Oduduwa is alien to Ife is that many "Yorubas" migrated back home to Ife from the North-East of Africa in different waves of home-coming migration.

And that Oduduwa was a leader of one of those waves of home-coming migration of the "Yorubas". We see evidence of this in the fact that Shango-Oba-Koso, born in Ife, once ruled as king over the Nubian Kush kingdom.

Secondly, prior to Oduduwa's coming to Ife, there were already about fifteen different Ilus (or states) in the country called Ile-Ife, each with its Oba (or king). These states which still exists till date with its respective kings are:

Ido
Iloromu
Ideta-Oko
Odun
Iloran
Oke-Oja
Imojubi
Iraye
Ijugbe
Oke-Awo
Iwinrin
Parakin
Omologun
Ilemure (now Obokun)
Ugbo.

It wasn't until the ascension of Oduduwa that all these Ile-Ife kingdom-states became centralized under one political structure with all of the kingdom-states accepting Oduduwa's central political and religious leadership, unlike Agboniregun whose central leadership (prior to Oduduwa) was solely religious.

So, given this background it becomes immediately obvious that the Olugbo of Ugbo's claim that he ruled Ife prior to Oduduwa is just a spin, a twist, and a reshuffling of historical facts.

Olugbo Ugbo never ruled the country called Ife. Instead he controlled only one of its states just as each of the other fourteen state has its independent king and at a time when there wasn't yet a centralized political structure.

[[If you doubt any of the facts I have stated above, please let me know and I will provide you with evidence, proof, and reason.]]

It is accepted by but the Yoruba and Benin that the Benin requested for Oduduwa to send a son to Benin as king.

The Benin believe that this was done because Oduduwa himself is was their prince. The Yoruba dispute this.

Oduduwa son only stayed in Benin briefly before going to establish Oyo.

Please explain why the Benin people who already established a kingship system (Ogiso dynasty) spanning over 1000 years with over 32 Ogisos will suddenly wake up and request for a foreign ruler who they are not related to.

Just to correct your assertion, no Oba of Benin sees any other Oba as superior to him, the Obas of Benin or the Ogiso (kings from heaven/sky) before them has always be regarded as second to God himself or God's representative on earth, it was so for centuries before Oduduwa arrived Ife. All Benin kings have always styled themselves as Kings from the Sky or God Kings (Ogiso), so there is no way they could have see the Ooni as a superior.

xtremeTall:
Adams really fall im hand with Dissagreement

Gani Adams want this Oba to accept the superiority of foreigner Oduduwa just like the Northerners accepted the superiority of the foreign fulani Emirates and the way the Igbos accepted the superiority of the Obi of Onitsha who is also a foreign king in Igbo land. The Alafi and Ooni are all children of foreign Oduduwa according to Yoruba history.

thatigboman:
Afonja, argue the point. Did oduduwa meet him in ife of not?

The Oba believes that Oduduwa who was from Benin met his ancestors in Ife. According to him, Oduduwa who is a foreign king in Ife can't be senior to him who was met on the ground. Yoruba history sort of supports the Oba's position because it agrees that Oduduwa was actually from somewhere else and non native, some said from the sky, others said from Saudi Arabia. The Benins believe he was heir to the last Benin Ogiso (king from the Sky), this was what Oduduwa actually told Ife people when he got there, hence the believe by some that he climbed down from the Sky

#Fromtheeldersarchive
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** EDO GAVE YORUBAS THEIR NAME**

Have you ever wondered why none of the ancient Kingdoms of South-Western Nigeria was called Yoruba? It is because the name is foreign to them. It has no root in their culture and their lingo. Now,how come today,these people are collectively called Yorubas and they are very proud to be so addressed? I have read a version of the origin of the name where it was alleged that it was the Hausa/Fulani term " Yoruba"( meaning slaves) that was corrupted to Yoruba. This version leaves many logical gaps to be filled. The Yorubas were at no point in western Sudan history slaves to the Hausa/Fulani. Admitted,the Fulani mercenary Alimi through the treacherous acts of the Yoruba duke and General Afonja appropriated Ilorin from Yorubas,but it is also on record that in 1840,the Ibadan warriors defeated and halted the Fulani expansionist expedition. No! Yoruba is not an Hausa/Fulani word.

TRUE ORIGIN OF THE WORD "YORUBA"

When Chief Oliha led a delegation to go and entreat Prince Izoduwa( Elkalladerhan the son of Ogiso Owodo) at Ife to come back home and mount the throne of his fathers,there was no report or record that they spoke any language other than the Benin language to Izoduwa( Oduduwa) and no report of an interpreter between them either. This is because Oduduwa is a Benin man and he understands the language very well. He however declined the offer but not without appreciating the fact that he owes his family and people of Benin the duty to see that a descendant of the Ogiso Family sits on the Benin throne. The best solution he offered was to send Omonoyan( Oranyan or Oramiyan) at a later date to go and sit on the throne of their ancestors in Benin.

Now note this; Oduduwa being a Benin man brought up in Benin can speak Benin. But none of his children( Oramiyan inclusive) could speak the Idu tongue. The children of Izoduwa grew up speaking the language of their mother not that of their father. Their mother is an Ife woman( some said she is an Igala woman). You can imagine the surprise,disappointment and discomfort the Benins felt when the son sent by their rightful king Oduduwa cannot speak or understand his father's language. He was communicating with them in his mother's tongue and expect them to understand him. This is one of the vexatious problems that prompted Oramiyan to leave them later because they wanted him to stop speaking his mother language to his father's people. The courtiers were the ones that first started spreading the bad news. They tell people that Oba Oramiyan can only communicate in his mother's tongue. Mother of Oba in Benin means IYEOBA which can be spelt otherwise as IYOOBA. Now you get it? Anybody that speaks Oramiyan's language to the Benins is somebody speaking IYOOBA language( Oba's mother language) That was how all the people in the southwest got their name IYOOBA from Benin because they speak the language of the mother( NOT FATHER) of the Oba of Benin. Yoruba is an anglicized form of IYOOBA. The Edo people and the Yorubas themselves till date pronounce it IYOOBA not Yoruba.

There is no way the APC will allow El Rufai to have total and absolute control over Kaduna state political structure because his presidential ambition has been known since the days of Obasanjor, allowing Sani a known critic of El Rufai to continue as a senator is one of the many ways to keep El Rufai's presidential ambition in check. Tinubu on the other hand has total control of Lagos political space and now working to spread his influence across the entire South West.

OlaoChi:
You like talking about what you don't know. The same ọba of benin is a son of the Ọọ̀ni

And there is no such thing as lesser ọba. Everyone is supreme in his domain, Ọọ̀ni cannot go to Ikole Ekiti and tell the Oba there what to do
Ìfẹ̀ gave independence to all its princes that went out to found their own dynasties.. But these princes have their own ways of showing respect to the stool of their father

Paragraph 4 of the article referred to the other Obas who vacated their palaces as lesser kings. You can argue with the author of the article not me.

Caseless:
Oba of Lagos , can you see your life? Modern oba that doesn't have respect for the charismatic ooni ; he curved ooni by refusing to shake his hand. Thank God odudua sent fire to part of his palace for disrespecting ooni.

Unlike other Yoruba Obas, the Oba of Lagos does not recognise the authority of the Ooni as his superior because the Oba of Lagos recognises the Oba of Benin as his father. The article said the other lesser Yoruba Oba including the Alafin of Oyo vacated their palaces because two Obas cannot be in the same town at the same time, but the article never said the Oba of Lagos vacated his palace. No descendant of the Oba of Benin sees any other Oba as his superior other than the Oba of Benin.

NnadyAutos:
Salvation in the name of JESUS can come to anybody with a willing heart any time any day .

Nonsense. Nigeria political elites understand the mind of the gullible masses. All you need to turn them to your followers is just dangle religion and ethnicity in their faces and see as they will start losing their senses and making stupid excuses in your favour.

prolog2:
The intersection between Edo and Igbo is not empty. My great grand father was anioma, his people are considered Igbo by some. My great grand father and his people have always been loyal subjects of the Oba, and my great grand father even rose up to the rank of Iyase. There is nothing tribal about Benin Kingdom.Benin Kingdom was a sort of more functional version of Nigeria. All its citizens are called Edo and in the context of Nigeria, this would be referred to as an ethnicity.

You are very correct in your submission. Even the current governor of Edo State great grand father is also Anioma who was also a royal subject of the Oba, his grand father Agbor Obaseki also rose to the position of Iyase during the reins of Oba Ovoramwen and Eweka 2.

davidnazee:
Simple logic would be that Eze Chima was the new name adopted by Edo man that fled Benin and founded Onitsha just like Ekhaladeran name was changed to oduduwa when he settled in Ife.

The issue of Onitsha should be a settled one, Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography claiming Onitsha people came from Benin was written in 1970. According to Zik, the history was handed down to him by his grandmother, who also got it from her parents and grand parents, now ask yourself which century could Zik' s grandmother been born? 1800s? These were the period before modern day revisionist that are now trying to rewrite history because of bride were born.

BabaRamota1980:
If the British would not release the copy in their posession, what makes you think Attah would release his symbol of State?

Queen Idia was a matron that led and offered fresh Edo virgins to appease Igala warriors and make them abandon the war and return home. After choppin the pussy they were not satisfied they continued in their war missionto raze Edo down. Oba had to send an SOS to portuguese boat captain to bring his guns and cannon to aid Benin against Igala.

Stop practicing witchery and start learning history.

Engaging people like you is a complete waste of time but for the benefit of those that might come across this thread, let me lecture you a little bit. First the Oba only commission a bronze mask to either commemorate a victory in battle or as a remembrance of a departed Oba, hero or heroine. So if bronze mask are always commissioned after the events has passed, how come the Atah was able to get hold of Idia mask that wasn't yet made during the war with Benin. What the Atah currently hang around his neck is nothing but a replica to remind himself and kingdom that they once had some history with the great and almighty Benin Kingdom. It gives him a source of pride that they once fought a battle with Benin even though they lost. The Idia mask was not yet made during Benin, Ida war. The Atah got for himself a replica after the event.

OMANBALA1:
Leave these dreamers...lol
These people for some strange reason actually believe Bini kingdom was larger than the little town of Bini ...lol

It was Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe, the Zik of Africa that claimed Benin founded Onitsha. If the great Zik said this in his autobiography why do I need any confirmation from the present Obi?

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

BabaRamota1980:
Oduduwa origin is not in West Africa, period! There are African and European scholars on both sides of the debate....but none places him coming from Edo, except you people.

The original Idia mask is on the neck of Attah. Igala raided your palace before the British. Thats a copy in museum.

If the original Idia mask was with the Atah why was president Obasanjor begging the British to borrow the one in the British museum to which they demanded millions of pounds sterling.
If you know your history, you would have known that it was queen Idia, mother of Oba Esigie that lead the army that went to Ida and defeated the then ruling Atah.

kingston277:
This is amazing. Always wondered why there were so few first hand African accounts of those times(i'm sure nsibidi records might help us out aswell if they physically survived the test of time). I wonder if Benin, Oyo or any other urbanized kingdom has honest first hand accounts like this.

First hand account of early Benin are mostly by visiting or resident Europeans. They described the city, culture , people, the king, the architecture and administration.

These boys must be the worst sets of players to ever represent us in the world cup.

OK. I had to ask because of this whole AKA business. As far as I know Bini people do not acknowledge that they ever called their land 'Aka'. It was (according to traditions) called Igodomigodo, then it became Edo and Bini. (Some say it was renamed Ubini/Bini by Oranmiyan, from which it was changed to Edo by Oba Ewuare.)

'Aka' is just the name you guys in the Urhobo-Isoko cluster zone know it by. Same way 'Idu' is the word people in the Igbo-speaking areas knew it by. No piece of tradition from Benin confirms that the Bini people ever called themselves by either of these names (Aka or Idu).

Second thing I want to ask you is: Where are you getting the idea that Bini ruled Igboland from? Can you point me to any particular tradition that tells us about one Igbo town that was conquered and ruled by the Bini? The Bini have traditions about the kings and Ezomos who fought and defeated the Igala, Akure and Eko, etc. The accounts of these wars and conquests survive. Mention one Bini king, one Ezomo, that conquered an Igbo town. And mention the Igbo town so conquered. The closest you can come is Agbor (and maybe Ubulu-Uku which was invaded in the 18th century). But I'm sure you did not mean these Anioma towns when you said 'Igboland', as most of you do not reckon Anioma as part of Igboland. So I'm asking, which Igboland did Benin conquer or rule?

You are wrong. The Ancient name of Edo was Aka before it became Igodomigodo, then Edo. There is still a quarter in Benin till today known as Ogbe laka (Ogbe Aka) or Aka quarters. It's a very popular area around kings square.

tonychristopher:
Is the so ?/


And u think I will buy this

Guy, be careful before you by it because this could be Igbo made history.

Y0ruba:
LMAO.

Baba you’re evil.

Are you still writing after you practically handed victory to the Edo on the forum by posting from the archive, Yoruba historical documents that showed that Benin was your overlords. Even the Edos did not claim the full extent of their forebears domination of Yoruba land, we were all claiming eastern Yoruba not Lagos to river niger as your documents shows. Thanks to you, I now know it was the entire Yoruba land Benin subjugated. David set you a trap by asking that you produce historical documents, you foolishly did. You are not clever at all, at least your other compatriots avoided posting verifiable documents, they stuck to their unverifiable tales by moonlight and you jumped in to spoil it for them. There is nothing more to debate here as you have proven every Edo on this thread right by your documents. I wonder what point you were trying to make, your Yoruba historical document says Benin owned and ruled Yoruba land, what else.
My guess is there are those on this forum that know the truth but like to enjoy themselves by writing funny stories that makes them feel good but are very careful not to point to verifiable documents because of other Yoruba here that are genuinely ignorant and are here as spectators, by posting verifiable documents, one or two of these ignorant ones are bound to start questioning your tales by moonlight they thought were true history.

davidnazee:
and your married mothers are busy cheating on their lazy husbands abi..
Yoruba is leading in adulterous women na.. it is documented as well..

You are stating the obvious. It's not even a crime or abomination in Yoruba land for a wife to cheat on her husband, it's part of the tradition. Their husband sometime even sent their wives to the rich guys in town to go collect money and favour in return for sexual gratification. Husbands sometime insults their wives who don't have boyfriends by saying they are not attractive. I heard MKO Abiola even too one Oba's wife that the Oba sent to him on regular basis for financial help.

MetaPhysical:
David,
Any article that you post must include link to the source. Your stories are not credible.

Imagine asking for the source now, if you are not very well inform in a particular discipline and humble yourself enough to admit it and nicely ask for help, people that know more than you will perhaps be kind enough to teach you, but instead of humbly yourself you fumble all over the place only to ask for the source of what ordinarily should be your history.

Moneywomen17:
fool I ask who the moniker sango was not the real sango the Yoruba god that u edo all worship too

Stupid. It's you and Mr kingSango that are disputing whether Jakuta was the name of Sango or not, and I only mentioned how shameful it will be for KingSango if you are right and he the acclaimed worshipper of Sango is wrong because it will appear him does not know who or what he is worshipping.

Moorish:
David i don’t think you’ve ever ventured out of Benin village in your whole life

You are an elder from Benin village who has nothing better to do with his life

Really? Is this all you have to say, the guy warned you guys before he unleashed and now you should thank him for the education because it takes efforts to do proper research not the kind you guys manufacture on the go.

Moneywomen17:
dudunrin fool I have ask kingsango himself he didn’t reply now am asking someone else that’s what u do when u need an answer. When someone is saying some bullshit u have to find out who they are accordingly before u reply them. Olu fear no one.

This is now becoming interesting, so kingSango is now saying bullshit, anyway continue, there is Godooooo.

Moneywomen17:
shut ur mouth I want to know if the guy is Yoruba or not or just a sango follower. U are a big fool google is at the tip of ur finger and u can’t still google Jakuta. If anybody is stupid here it’s u davidnaze

Yoruba will never seize to amaze. Now they are arguing over who Sango was, if you are right that Mr so called living Sango doesn't know the real identity of the one he worships then you can see how half baked you guys are.

Obalufon:
after they circum navigated the whole African bight of benin was born from source from Portuguese explorer record accounting giving by Portuguese explorer even dahomey togo ghana bony was called bight of benin . because the map of africa was created from Portuguese source and the first hinter land contact Portuguese will have is with the benin kingdom creating the map they name the region gulf of benin

I told you, you are all over the thread making up stories, first you said Benin was the last place to be contacted by the Europeans, now you claimed Benin was the first hinter land kingdom to be contacted, which is which, I hope you are not like this in real life.

Obalufon:
you were trading in pepper what year ...you were the last to be contacted stop spurting rubbish bight of Benin is different from benin city fool the Portuguese were in contact with Lagos Badagry years before stepping foot on benin soil they get to know about benin from the itsekiri..hinter land was in the 1500

Hopefully you will eventually lean something today, the bight of Benin is a body of water that was named after Benin for her greatness just the way Victoria falls and Victoria island was named after queen Victoria of England.
You are already contradicting your compatriot Metaphisical on the history of Lagos just like I stated in my earlier post, you all come out of your ethnic enclaves in the name of one Yoruba and start distorting other peoples history, you guys have nothing to do with Lagos but trying to rewrite her history and start contradicting yourself in a show of shame, do even have shame?

MetaPhysical:
Benin did not settle in Lagos untill 1600s. Lagos was never part of Benin. Benin had a throne in Lagos to protect against invasions from Dahomey.

Benin did not fight the owners of Lagos, they were invited to secure their farms and lands against invasions from Dahomey. If the original invitation to Oyo had been honored Oyo would be the throne, not Benin.

So you agreed that Lagos was a Benin colony and protectorate with a throne, just as Nigeria later became British colony and protectorate.