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MelesZenawi:
Lolzzz

Very funny indeed.

You left Yorubas that are nearer and closer to you which should be your rallying point but here you are busy forcing yourself in midst of people that you are totally strange.

How do you reason at all?

You have Rotimi , olusegun in Edo like Yoruba....Have you heard any Over this side?

Your logic is weak and stale.

I will advise you people to join Oduduwa be and afenifere towards Oduduwa republic.

You join where there are similarities not where there are none.

ruggedtimi:
The Oba of Benin's throne once bowed down to Emir of kano.

NwaAmaikpe:




As an Oviedo pataki with royal Benin blood coursing through my veins via soul-ties
I say this with all sense of humility that our people are overly intolerant.
We are even more fanatical than radical fundamental Islamic terrorists of the Middle East.

Irrespective of religion, age, education or exposure...the Bini man's ONLY problem is the over reverence of the Oba and his imaginary powers.
We attach too much importance to tradition when tradition has not helped us.

We worship the Oba but have zero respect for God.

If only they knew that the Oba is just a regular mortal whose privileges are the ones he has been given by his ignorant subjects.
A man who can be messed up like the Ojuromi of Uromi or like the Emir of Kano.

The Bini man fears him because according to folklore, he has all the powers.
But if his curse was that potent, how come he has not cursed the marauding Fulani herdsmen ravaging all of Ovia North or brought peace to the warring APC in his domain.

It is a great shame, that a University graduate and a Pastor will believe that a mere man can utter a word and all of Benin will be submerged in water.
Yet he can't utter same and let the Fulani Herdsmen violence end.

He can not wave his wand and cause the "Isiohor rainy season River" in front of S&T barracks to vanish.

Every good student of history knows that a Military administrator has once successfully given an Oba of Benin the Sanusi treatment.

So why all the reverence?

Please we must allow Chioma Akpotha be.
We must even thank her for showing off our already dead culture.
And the truth be told, she portrayed what we are actually known for.

Our ladies are famous world over only because of the latent power in their waists cleverly depicted by Chioma.

Let's live and let live.
Oba gha a to kpere.

googi:
You can be colorful as much as you want with your history.

You mess it up and exaggerate your relevance when you claim to be the source of an Ocean whose earlier existence and culture overwhelmed you by centuries.

Stay within you limit and accept your defeat when the people of Edo had to call on Yoruba wise men to send their son to govern you.

Why? Wicked Ogiso drove out others like the Urhobo and many fled. He crowned his atrocious behavior by beheading a pregnant woman. Oranmiyan saved them.

Open another topic tomorrow.

baby124:
Yoruba created less than a century ago? You do know Yoruba tribe is the oldest group of people in the world? There was a Harvard study on this. This is why almost all non hausa/Fulani tribes have something in common with Yoruba. Hausa and Fulani tribes are not as old as other tribes in Nigeria. They migrated from North Africa.

Yoruba is the mother of everybody. We are a very ancient people. This is evident in how we structure our society. It’s obvious we have been around for a long time. Seen a lot, learnt from it and put it in culture.

gregyboy:
They have not read benin history ,but they will be quick to start the history of Benin from were oduduwa gave Benin's his son
I still dont understand why oduduwa is so special to the Yoruba's he was not a conqueror, nor was he the progenitor of the Yoruba race ,
I think is popularity amongst the Yoruba people was the fact that he gave his son to benin,that's is what had made oduduwa history popular amongst the other oonisin ife, just simply because oduduwa had an attachment to the benin throne so they saw it as a means to elevate his history and some even called him the progeniture of the yoruba race ,
The fact remains that if oduduwa had no influence with a strong empire like the benins the Yoruba's wouldn't even boast of him or we wouldn't even hear that he ruled as an ooni ,oduduwa historical popularity amongst the yorubas can be tied to the fact that he had an influence i.e sending is son to benin
Just the way the benins popularity can be linked to the clash it had with the british in 1897
Remove the influence oduduwa had on benins you will never hear of oduduwa history from the yoruba people's mouth
And remove oduduwa from benin people history you will have lot of history in benin to talk about,

gregyboy:
My friend don't create something from nothing , there is no evidence tracing Yoruba root to benin the infleunce benins had with the yorubas is almost 70% compare to other tribe on the otherhand the influence yorubas had on the benins is not even above 2% ....
Before oduduwas gave his son to benin benin had already gave ife oduduwa ,we can start reading the history from there and not from where oduduwa gave his son to benin......
All tribes that were under the control of benins had people who serves as representative and interpreter in the palace to translate for thier people....
So you only saying yorubas was spoken only in benin shows your aim of tribal superiority because yorubas were not only the different ethnic group in the Benin empire or palace...

I repeat no Yoruba's can understand benins and no benins can understand yorubas...

gregyboy:
Benins says they originate the ife throne ...and all evidence supoort it ....please respect that fact ....
And stop basing history one sided
If you sont want to cause an uprise just keep it nuetral because you would still turn the post to a debate between the two tribe ife and benins
If you understans history benin conquered for economic intrest and they. Were highly travellers

ROYALD:
Please what is the meaning of the name of the grand ancestor of Ikwere Akalaka.In Benin Laguage

johnpablo541:
Holy Arousa is not a church. It is more like a shrine.

Is the lord Jesus Christ worshiped in Holy Arousa?

Holy Arousa wasn't built in the 1500s

johnpablo541:
So what is the name of the first church in benin and what year was it built?

TAO11:
There are two variant historical accounts of the relationship between Oko¹ (or Èkó) and Benin kingdom. These two accounts are different and distinct in some very important respects.

¹ "Oko" is the earlier Yoruba name of the Lagos region which later came to be phono-semantically-matched into the Bini word "Èkó".

Refer to the entry "Lagos" in "Encyclopaedia Britannica" for this specific information (i.e. "Oko")
https://www.britannica.com/place/Lagos-Nigeria


The two available accounts are the Àwórì account of the autochthonous people (a.k.a. the Lagos account), and the Bini account.

The account put forward by the OP is the Bini account, and it essentially says that Lagos Island was colonized by Benin kingdom; and that Aṣipa (the first ruler of the present dynasty) was a grandson (or son) of the then king of Benin, viz. Oba Orhogbua.

The OP has presented this Bini account on the implicit assumption that this account is the only available account, and that it is exactly identical to the account held by the autochthonous people of Lagos, viz. the Àwórì.

This implicit assumption is terribly mistaken and actually false because the Lagos account is not only different, but actually different in important respects.


While the Bini account lays claim to an outright conquest of Lagos Island by the Benin kingdom; the Awori account (a.k.a. the Lagos account) describes many indecisive conflicts and skirmishes between the indigenous Awori population on one hand, and the alien non-Awori resident population on the other hand.

The non-Awori resident population comprises largely of Bini resident traders, but also includes other resident traders such as: the Ijebu, the Ilaje, the Ikale, the Owo, the Egba, the Egbado, the Aja, and the Ijaw traders.

This Awori account notes that the conflicts and skirmishes between these two groups endured and escalated so badly as to almost completely cripple trading activities, and as a result, the Benin resident population thus became so affected that it could not make its usual due remittances back home to the then Oba of Benin.


This shortage of remittances from its Benin subjects residing in faraway Lagos Island attracted the attention of the government of Benin kingdom. The intervention thus necessitated the need to find a lasting solution to the incessant conflicts between the indigenous population and the non-Awori resident population.


It was, however, eventually resolved that an ultimate settlement would involve permitting the non-Awori resident population to have some representation and hence participation in the government of the Island which had been administered theretofore solely by the Olofin and his enclave of Awori chiefs.


This arrangement, therefore, gave a platform to Asheru --- a Benin chief who had been the leader and voice for the non-Awori resident population --- to participate in the governance of the island alongside the indigenous Awori people.


But unfortunately, the new arrangement proved to be ineffective in putting a final stop to the conflicts, and Asheru was soon afterwards killed in one of the clashes that ensued in the course of time.


A certain Awori prince by the name Aṣipa who is described in same Awori account as an Isheri chief of Ife royal descent (and who shared in some of the sentiments of the resident alien population) graciously led the party that conveyed Asheru's body to Benin kingdom.


Aṣipa --- with the support of his loyalists who consist of his Awori loyalists, the Bini resident population, and most (if not all) of the other resident population --- eventually became the king of a new dynasty of kings on the Island to whom the line of Lagos Island kings till date is traced as their progenitor.


In other words, Aṣipa (a son of the soil) found favour with the alien resident population because of his gracious feats, and he therefore became the choice candidate, among the competing Awori princes, largely due to the support of his Awori loyalists, as well as the support, popularity, and influence of the Oba of Benin and the popular Bini resident population.


Aṣipa therefore, according to the Lagos account, was a Yoruba prince (rather than a Bini) to whom the line of the present Lagos Island royal dynasty is traced.

And the Bini connection, according to the Lagos account, was (rather than a Bini conquest) simply that the influential Benin government endorsed and backed Aṣipa (instead of another Awori candidate) in his quest to become the progenitor of a new dynasty of kings on the Island.


Refer to: S. Adebanji Akintoye, A History of the Yoruba People, Amalion Publishing, 2010, pp. 221-222.

See also: Robert S. Smith, Kingdoms of the Yoruba, First University of Wisconsin Press, 1988, pp. 73-74.

[This second reference contains an interspersed description of both the Lagos account and the Bini account.]



Conclusion:

The foregoing submission demonstrates with evidence that there is not just one account of the relationship between Lagos Island and Benin kingdom, contrary to what many think.


If I am, however, faced with the option of adopting the logical and consistent of the two accounts (as I am now faced with), then I am inclined to upholding the Awori account, not merely for being a Yoruba myself, but for the fact that only the Awori account explains the conspicuous historical absence of the use of Edo language (alongside Yoruba language) as an official (or unofficial) court language on the Island (or in any part of Lagos for that matter) --- a phenomenon which would have been present had Benin kingdom truly "colonized" Lagos Island, and was Aṣipa truly a son (or grandson) of an Oba of Benin.


Cheers!

BUTTERMILKSUGAR:
History belongs to no one. History is just a story...
Once you die that's it. you mean the Oba of Benin failed in his duty to protect a protectorate that pledged allegiance to it. What was he looking at when Lagos was being bombarded by the "white enemy"? When the Oba of Lagos stopped remitting tributes why didn't the Oba of Benin send his entourage to go and fight him and depose him from the throne?

johnpablo541:
The first translated bible in Nigeria was the Efik bible, it was published in 1858.

The first church in Nigeria was completed in 1898. And it is located in Ake, Ogun state.

slawomir:
Some Moda fuckkers won't believe this story

But will accept the one from the white men that says one low budget asss Moda fuckkker called jesus whose father and mother was a broke asss carpenter and a broke asss bitch died for our sin

But wait o. He be like say this Bini people ehnnn them be strong and stubborn people in the past o

Only people when get mind to start war with white men that year
Na their son even be the ooni of Ife

Na even their son found Lagos
Lagos was founded by Prince Ado, the son of the Oba of Benin, Prince Ado was the first Oba of Lagos, the son of the Bini King, Prince Ado, named the town Eko

Na even for Benin city the first mass (Catholic prayer) was said in West Africa

ImperialYoruba:
Bini and Oyo we know, both children of Oranmiyan.
We dont know Edo. Edo is a roaming people that Yoruba civilized and brought out of forest into township. Before Yoruba came to rule you all your ancestral life was spent in forest. We taught you how to dwell in city.

YourNemesis:
if that was the case, then the Itsekiris were actually the FIRST Western Educated Nigerians and not the Benins.
When Yorubas talk about being the first in exposure to western education they are talking about Western education on a mass societal level, not to a select handful of 1 or 2 royal ambassadors.

amaniro:
Anioma people are igbo. Simple and short. Oma in igbo means good.you remixed your Ala to Ani

odigbosky:
There are some Kings your Suspension or Dethronement won't even work with.

Oba of Benin
Olu of Warri
Attach of Igala
Oni of Ife
Alaafin of Oyo

adecz:
It was for this same ritualistic,
superstitious beliefs that the British saccked
Benin Empire & sent the Oba on exile in 1897.

Police, make ina no fear,
Nothing go happen.

If he dares govt, they should depose
him & send him on exile.

Dasuki & Jokolo on my mind.

Karemarealty288:
Why then did they elect a Governor since their tradition is supreme.

rhektor:
Ifè is not a kingdom, yet how did the Bini get to know of its existence?

forgiveness:
Exactly my point. Why didn't the Ogiso developed Igodomigodo after 500 years?

Igodomigodo was disorganized for 500 year until oranmiyan the grandson( whom Benins claimed was the son) of Oduduwa came and arraigned your system.


Infact, he was rejected because he was counted as a stranger. The reason he left Benin and called it Ilu ibi nu which later metaphor to Ubini and currently Benin.

He dropped his son Owo mi ka now pronounced Eweka to rule Ilu ibinu(Benin) because the Ogiso didnt want a foreigner with a foreign style of leadership to rule them.

Oranmiyan was opposed because he was not the son of the soil according to your account. How can Oduduwa from Benin if the OGISO saw him a FOREIGNER? Bhuhahahaha!

Amujale:
They came about much later, after the "inter-stadio"; after the "Out of Africa" experience.

Two distinct phenomenon occur simultaneously:

(1)Geological phenomena i.e. Ice Age

(2)Biological phenomena i.e African women are granted a unique special ability that allows giving birth to non-African looking offspring.

These two distinct phenomenon are said to have combined to create the environment for the many other recent social groups that eventually morphed out of African ethnicity.

Even Genetics suppprts the idea that most people today can easily trace their common "genetic signature" from African ethnicity.

Asians and Europeans missed out on 50% of world history.

Africans have been in existence since the dawn of time, whilst records put the current stock of Europeans and Asians in existence as of B.C.E. Before the Common Era

Its important to note that most modern day historians prefer to make use of the notation sytems: C.E and B.C.E

Common Era - C.E opposed to Dominic notations AD

"2019 C.E" is the standard universal version refering to both the Gregorian and Julian calendars of "AD 2019"

Before the Common Era - B.C.E opposed to using the notations BC

"400 BCE" is the standard universal version refering to both the Gregorian and Julian calendars of "400 BC".

LazyGold:
The Fulani Usurped Hausa power so who is now with the power today?

Americans Usurped power from the Aborigines people so who is now with the power today?

Yes Isreal is back but not without a war

Obatala and Oduduwa have already fought this war and Obatala lost which means any Obatala descendant don't have any right to power because they have already lost it.


If Obatala descendants want to be back in power but then there is going to be another war to reclaim what they already lost

All you are doing is calling for war in Yoruba Land, no Obatala descendants have any right to power in Ile ife because they have already lost it and if they want the power back the will have to follow the same process of which they lost the power again and that is through War.

The so called unity amongst the major tribes in Nigeria is a mirage. This tribe are currently United to fight other tribes in other to gain a large piece of what Nigeria has to offer. The Oba is only positioning himself for the inevitable dissolution or reconstitution of Nigeria because with the way Nigeria is currently being governed, it's only a matter of time before things fall apart. When that time comes, everyone will start answering their real tribes, then you will know that there are differences between Ekiti, Egba and Ijebu, Anambra and Imo, Hausa, Fulani, Nupe and Idoma.

aribisala0:
I do not think this is true . Do the Benin "accept" this ,when where and how?