One4me:


Let me just SMILE and Give-Up on this your 'I know Ireland more than you'.
McDowell must be having a laugh at you right now.
Only "If you know".

McDowell? Who?

One4me:


l am talking about Foster Parenting, that comes before adoption in cases like this.
Moreover, l know Police to have taken away Children from at least two families so l am not also not 'unaware' of how this rolls.

Anyway, anyone that claims this woman has the capacity to pour Pepper into this Boys eyes, judging by his size, strength and what he is capable of doing, AS SEEN IN THIS VIDEO, needs to show us a Video/Proof of such claim.

And pouring Pepper into a boy's eye and being homeless are totally two different things. Apples Vs. Oranges.
One is called Child abuse (and for someone that works in Child Protection Service, l would assume you will know) while Homelessness is akin to a natural disaster which is not always the fault of the Parents. taking the Child of a homeless person (Homeless for example due to Eviction from Rented property) will only be a temporary thing, just to allow the Parents sort out their accomodation issue.

Taking a Child away from a parent for a grevious bodily harm like putting Pepper in the eyes of a Child will land any parent in prison, takemy word for it and that Child will be taken into Care Home/Foster Home right away.

Ireland and America are two different countries. I just don’t know families whose children have been taken away, I oversee and manage cases of hundreds of children. I know children with cases of sexual assault in the family and they are still there! Don’t tell me about my profession! It’s okay to not know things .

I can see now I’m talking to someone who has again made judgement without context.
No matter the homelessness, there are newborns that are sleeping in shelters in Ireland. There are newborns on the streets in Ireland.
No they won’t! This is not america!!!! America is not standard for what is done in Europe. Stop watching tv and travel! Irish parents beat their kids. I don’t know a single Irish child ( and I know THOUSANDS) that did not grow up being spanked. Parents have told me what they will do to their children when they get home. Spanking only got banned FOUR years ago. And it was a struggle ban. Lots of resistance. And it’s not enforced at all.

The child will be taken into foster care right away. Fantasy land. Safeguarding isn’t a one case issue. The government do not want to take kids away. To what benefit? So they can pay for the child’s accomodation, food, personal costs. Have you seen the statistics on children raised in care, what government would encourage this?!

One4me:




Well, like others, we can only rely on what is available in the video.
Where and how did you get all these not-in-video statements? (l am not making a judgement on whether they are true of false, you could be the Mother or their family or neighbour or someone who knew them one on one, so l can only ASK).

But should that be the case, I am certain the Police will not come and hear that she poured Pepper in a child's eye and still not arrest her for Child abuse.
Infact, there is nothing the Police love doing to Black parents than taking away their Children because there are tons of White people who dont want to go through the rigour of Child-bearing and are on queue to adopt such children.
Ordinary leave a Small Child alone in the house to go and buy something in the grocery store next street, if your neighbour calls Police, that may lead to your losing that child if your Lawyers are not sharp.
What exactly is the context here?
No, your narrative will require more detailed, verifiable facts to become the mainstream on this one.

I have personal connections. If you go on the instablog twitter page, other personal connections have come forward to make corresponding statements and they’ve made an update.

Please stop with this narrative. This isn’t conspiracy theory. Most people that adopt black kids adopt them from Africa and they’re Americans. Ireland is not America. The Irish government won’t even take your kids away if you’re homeless. As someone that also works in child protection I’m telling you taking a child away from their parents is EXTREMELY tasking.

PoliticallyInco:
Interesting.

These are the types that murder their parents in their sleep. Calling the police on him might even make him more vengeful and destructive.

I want to believe he was barely disciplined as a child. He demands and he is given. Now he sees every demand of his as a wish to be fulfilled. So now he wants this and that and his mum's documents, rummages in her hand bag, seizes her phone and car keys, etc. Boundaries were hardly set and disciplined into him. Clearly. The thought of doing such to my mum makes me shudder. Because it has been disciplined into me that such boundaries cannot be thought of not to talk of being crossed.

I am not saying well disciplined kids all turn out to be great as teenagers. There are kids who still turn out to be black sheep. But it is still advisable to properly raise a child with discipline on dos and don'ts. And please let us stop thinking that raising a child based on African standards is a bad thing. There are a lot of good morals and wisdom about life in general that applies globally.

Get this young man out of your house and off to college or wherever pretty fast. He might soon shift his attention to physically harming the mother. Manage him and get him out of your house. After all children aren't your property. Nature only choose you to bring an individual into the world. Life will teach him great lessons without being under the protective care of "mama". It will either destroy him or make him but in the end definitely humble him.

This is hilarious! Very funny. Every single day on nairaland there are reports of kids killing their parents, raping their sisters and doing fraud. There’s no mention of the values African parents are instilling on their children here.

Nigerian children can kill their parents and give their sisters belle but they still dobale so all is good.

One4me:


In the Video, the woman told the peopel present (cant say who they are to her though, family, neighbours, friends) that she called the Police (which she called Gardie (spelt Gardai for Irish Police)) but they REFUSED to remove the Boy from the House! ) and that is why she is helpless.
It alo spoints to the fact that the Boy is still underage, he is probably less than 16yrs in age but the size of a Nigerian 24yr old man
At times like this, in my own opinion, is when the father would have stepped him and beat him silly and knock some sense into the Boy's head but from the same Video, one can deduce that she has done away with the father hence, she is completely at the mercy of the wayward Son.

Imagine what would happen to her, if this by decide to act out in the middle of the night, one of these days?
I dont envy her at all.

The boy is 17. Has lived in foster care for over four years because of repeated abuse cases. The police don’t like taking children away from their parents. For them to take the kid away, she must have been very abusive. She poured pepper in his eyes because he wanted to go to university. Well done. Nigerians love passing judgment without context.

whitelotus:



I also mentioned that the universe is filled with so much empty space. Such a waste of design.

You didn't see that abi?

Next time, dont mock someone from a place of ignorance

Again. Design for who? For what?

Ndo ehn. My friend. No vex.

whitelotus:



And that penal code is sharia law. Bala Mubarak is not a muslim.

Bala did not break any law, so, your original point that he broke the law is false and very dubious.

Where is that penal code Shariah law?

In Nigeria, I don’t believe there’s a noise curfew. In my area there is, I’ve chosen to live there, if I make noise after 11pm they will arrest me.

I’m not a lawyer. I’m not familiar with how laws are made. Let’s not pretend nigeria is not a lawless country anyways. Again! I’m not agreeing with his arrest oo. In an ideal world, it shouldn’t happen. But come on! Let’s not act like it was not premeditated on his end. My guy wanted trouble and he got it. I’m sure he didn’t expect this much.

tintingz:


Lol, it seems these people don't have real case.

What has cybercrime got to do with criticism?

We all criticize our politicians almost daily on social media, why aren't they charging all of us to court?

It's seems Bala case is a malicious case rather than a real case.

Ah that one is not my business. I’ve said my own. Me I won’t go to Buhari‘s village and be running my mouth and expect nothing will happen oo.

whitelotus:



This is what happens when you dont mind your business and you do not know what two other people are arguing about.

The person on the other thread was making the claim that the universe was designed and fine tuned by God. I gave him examples of flaws in the design of the universe.

I never said that the universe or earth was made for man. That is an Abrahamic view of creation. Funny that you, a muslim is criticising me for you believe.

I was only pointing the lack of thought in designing an ecosystem in the sense of the earth and animal life on earth.
Or are you arguing that I do not have a point?

See me see trouble oo. Why are you so angry today uncle Whitelotus. We are friend oo. No need to carry this matter for head.

But you made the claims of the flaws as if the universe was designed for you. Most atheists I know don’t subscribe to that idea. The pointing out of lack of thought in a universe that wasn’t designed at all, regardless of designed for you is very theistic.

I found it funny that you assumed that 70% of the Earth is inhabitable so the universe is imperfect. Ndo ehn it won’t happen again

tintingz:


It seems you don't even know the story of your Prophet. I was a Muslim so I know.

The prophet preached Tawhid which is the oneness of God to the Meccans that believed in many gods. He told them these gods are false and Allah is the true and only god, the Meccans got angry and even stoned him at a point, they threaten him and plot to kill him and he ran to Medina(Hijrah) where he gain followers and army and conquered Mecca.

As for your second paragraph, since the Meccans got angry, are you saying the Prophet did a wrong approach?

Can I see the Tasfir for that please?

From what I know and what I’ve read, the reason the people of Quraysh were angry at the Prophet was because he practiced contracting beliefs and had a following. These were current practices that the Prophet went against. Not just about God, also the killing of female children and protection of poor people. I would like to see Tasfir of the insults if you don’t mind.
I also know they were upset because the merchants were losing money and were upset at the economic disruption the Prophet was causing. I remember comparing it to the Lutheran reformation in Catholic Rome.

Allah knows best. In my opinion, the Quraysh had every right to be angry if indeed they were insulted.

whitelotus:


I see that you dont want to have sense.

I didnt think that I would have to spell it out for you. Land animals make up to 30-55% of animals on earth and only 5% of water is drinkable by them. That is not a perfect design.

Use your brain

Because animals are the only living thing and they are all that need to be catered for.

I didn’t say the Earth was perfect. I just think it’s funny you seem to think the universe is created for the consumption of human beings. I don’t know much atheists that think like that.

whitelotus:



Lies. Which penal code? How can a law go against the secular constitution? Stop telling lies.

Anas said that the Messenger of Allah cursed ten people in connection with wine: the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought. [Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah]

We have access to the same Google...

Okay? Lol I know you don’t expect me to acknowledge that. Lol Hahahaha what

tintingz:
SMH

The people of meccans were polytheists, they worship many gods with high esteem, Muhammad came saying they're worshiping false gods, they're wrong and also criticized some of their practices. That's a blasphemy words in this case, he's insulting their beliefs, it's like saying to muslims Allah doesn't exist and criticize Muslims practices. These are both in same scope just that Muhammad later went extreme.

Why do you think the Meccans hated Muhammad then and wanted to hurt him?, this is same things Muslims in the north are doing to Bala.

It doesn't matter how you say it, what matter is you're speaking against their beliefs, you speak against what they hold dearly.

I know you will be bias and hypocrites here, you won't accept your dear Prophet was wrong as you claim for Bala except you agree people have free speech to speak up.

Can I see the Tasfir please? I think we may have conflicting stories about the Prophets migration from Mecca.

I’m actually confused. If the Prophet was hated by the Meccans because he insulted their gods (which I don’t believe is what happened), then they are completely justified. 100%. They have every right to be angry.

whitelotus:


No. Most land animals cannot drink that water

Ah sorry ooo sir. I didn’t know the whole world revolves around land animals lol. And the water in the sea was created for land animals.

tintingz:
You don't even read cosmology, so this argument won't even leads to anywhere.

The universe is chaotic and orderly, there are many chaotic things in the universe that can wipe us out, dinosaurs were ones existing and they're extinct now. There are diseases, natural disasters that are dangerous to us. Is that a perfect universe to you?

Meteorites, astroid are just collapsing and colliding in space, infact the earth is moving to a more chaotic stage.

The world isn't meant for us to live, we're struggling to survive in this world.

Cosmology doesn’t deal with if the universe is perfect or not. Anyways Mr Hawking, we should be able to have a conversation with ourselves. I could learn something new. .

I didn’t actually argue the universe was perfect. I just felt it was funny Mr whitelotus decided the universe wasn’t perfect because he can’t live in the sea. When there are millions of species that live there.

I don’t believe the universe was created FOR us so I don’t see why it should revolve around us.

whitelotus:



You are so wrong.

Your prophet cursed those who drink and sell alcohol. Your prophet cursed christians too.

Bala Mubarak was not insulting the prophet, he was stating facts about the prophet.

Sharia law does not apply to non-muslims. So,Bala did not break any law.

Can I see the Tasfir?

I believe this is a law in Kano. Penal code or something.

You say facts, they say insults. Theirs is the only one that counts here.

tintingz:
The universe is imperfect. A meteorite can hit the earth now and we go extinct and the galaxy won't feel a thing.

The universe is imperfect because a meteorite COULD hit the Earth. The universe consists of more than the Earth. Things die and are created all around the universe all the time. How does that mean anything? It’s been 2billion years, nothing has hit us, we’re still here. And it all started with a random Big Bang

whitelotus:



Yes. Because 95 percent of that water is salt water.

So because YOU can’t live there, it’s inhabitable and of no use.

tintingz:


The prophet preached his beliefs against the Meccans, Bala also preached his disbelief against Muslims. Are these not similar? Are they not preaching their views?

As for the bolded, that's your subjective approach, i don't know what relevant is it in this discussion.

Bala was arrested for insulting the Prophet. I would like to see where the Prophet called the higher powers at that time pedophiles and terrorists. Also, this is against the law of the place he lives in... like I don’t understand what he thought would happen. It’s against the law to posses a gun in the UK. Someone will now say well it’s my human right to carry what I want and they’re shocked they get arrested.

I’m just letting you know that even if there was instances in Tasfir, I wouldn’t go against my religion. I would go educate myself so I would understand or I’ll just leave it. Allah knows best.

whitelotus:



No. You talk like a young woman.

Well, who knows anything? Two weeks ago, somebody claimed that I'm a white man masquerading as a black man.

Lol I could be a young woman. I could be 19.

whitelotus:

Did you really say the universe is imperfect because 70% of the Earth is inhabitable?

whitelotus:


Thanks for this post


Saucyxo is still a young lady. She has an intelligent mind but lacks experience.

She sounds like someone who hasn't dealt with the harsh realities of living in Nigeria.

I could be a full grown 60 year old man.

whitelotus:



How did I miss this comment?

You are recommending that Bala should be killed just for criticising islam? Wow...so barbaric.


Saucyxo cone and ser your beloved religion. As backwards as Nigeria, no christian will call for the death of someone who criticizes their religion online.


This is the second muslim on this thread calling for the death of an atheist.


Animals in human clothing

Ehhhhhhh lol wait how this one take concern me now biko. Like I KNOW you are joking. All you have to do is read a little on history to know that Christians do not make empty threats. Christians do not play with blasphemy.

You just like this my moniker. Just admit it.

tintingz:


When the Prophet was preaching his beliefs against the Meccan pagans, was that a good approach from the prophet? Do you agree with the prophet?

Let's see if you're not an hypocrites here.

I may be wrong. But I’d like to see how the Prophet and Bala’s approach are similar. Some tasfirs would do.

Im a Muslim. There’s nothing you can do or say that will change that. Muslim means I submit to the will to Allah. Even when I don’t see the logic. I study some more and I ask Allah to open my heart to the things I may not understand.

I would say I’m a logical person. I’m no advocate of anyone’s free speech being hindered. I have stated SEVERAL times that I don’t agree that he should be killed. Free me na lol what else again

IMAliyu:

I think the problem is, the people that should have a high self esteem don't.
The type of people we need in politics are the type that avoid it.

And a lot of dumb people seem to lack self awareness and thus have a high impression of themselves. Something I find myself envious of sometimes.

I know you didn’t quote me but I wanted to clarify what I meant by low self esteem.

One of the major differences I see between Nigerians and western people is how much self esteem they have. There’s a massive sense of patriotism. They understand that this is their country and government officials work for them. So when they do something wrong, people are outraged and people take action. When talking to the average Nigerian, there’s no sense of ownership to Nigeria. People don’t have feel individual responsibility for Nigeria’s current state. That’s why most people feel they can do things in Nigeria they wouldn’t do anywhere else, including the government. They recognise that Nigerians have no real valid sense of pride and esteem for their country so if you pee on the road, no ones going to care. If the government don’t fix the road, no ones going to look for them.

whitelotus:
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You mentioned my wife in a mocking tone. Did you expect me not to mock you back?

Of course my wife is an atheist. Imagine being Hot and then your wife says that she cannot have sex until after iftar?

No honestly it wasn’t in a mocking tone. I was just surprised.

when it’s not food. I’m glad you were able to find an atheist in Nigeria. Is she as angry as you are?

whitelotus:



Egbon Empiree

That’s my uncle, abeg respect yourself.

whitelotus:





Shows how little you know about marriage. Do you think couples spoon from night till morning?

She is reading a book while I am browsing on my phone. Is that weird or are you just lacking imagination?

Lol are we fighting now? Ask your Iyawo to rub your head, don’t transfer aggression here oo. Let’s not fight biko

No it’s not weird. It’s almost midnight. I just find it funny is all. Is she an atheist too?

Empiree onijogbon bawo ni yin?

whitelotus:


I learn everyday. Even when I am debating on nairaland, I learn. I just learned about Qibla in space from this Muslim section a few days back.


Furthermore, if I change one person, the person can go on to change 2 people and then 2 become 4, and so on.


Let me leave you with one of my guiding quotes-

Sure.

Come! You’re married!??! Say wallahi your wife is with you now and you’re debating on nairaland loooool

whitelotus:





I mentioned Yerima who was a muslim senator who married a 14 year old girl. When Nigerians complained, there were debates and some clerics were defending Yerima.

Who told you that I am angry? I make points and arguments on nairaland. If you see me getting aggressive in a debate, it is because the other person is being aggressive or dishonest.

You are telling me that I am not going to change anything whereas, I have changed people already.

You are too funny.

And you’ve met tons of Muslims and are aware that only a small % agree with that. What has your rants on here done? When you could have learnt something from the people who think differently and then apply their insight into action. e.g Empiree has said that he wouldn’t let his daughter marry at that age. You could have asked why and use the information to create awareness that can actually help people. Say Empiree says it’s because he has a great bond with his daughter, you can spend time highlighting verses in the Quran and Hadith that talk about father and daughter bond which may decrease a fathers inclination to marry off his daughter at 14 ya feel me ?

You sound angry lol. Does it make you feel good about yourself? You come here and exchange points with people that you know don’t agree with you. Why? You say to highlight the importance of secularism but all you do is condemn and condemn lol. If I wanted to highlight the benefits of freedom of religion, I would spend my time talking about the positives of all religions and how having a melting pot is beneficial rather than being angry about how people practice their religion ya know? You’ve literally been arguing with Empiree for over a year or is it two now about this pedophilia thing... like to what gain? He doesn’t agree with you. You don’t agree with him. You could have found out so much and learnt so much in that time. Things that will actually benefit the cause you claim to have.

whitelotus:


I am giving real life people who make laws and fatwas, you are here telling me about your friends.

You are not serious. There are many more people who have influence on islam than your friends.

"The snake, the rat, the cat, the dog....how are you gonna see em if you're living in a fog" DMX.



By the way, a lot people left religion because of me right here on nairaland. That was not my intention but the results speak for themselves.

On nairaland ? Lawmakers? I’m impressed. Tell me, what laws have you changed?

You asked me about my perception on Nigerian Muslims and I gave it to you. My friends influence me and I influence people and they influence people.

Lol I’m so sorry I don’t believe you. Even if they did. So? Lots of people have left and joined religions for lots of reasons. Reflect a little bit. You live in a religious country. You can stay angry and come here and fight all day. Or you can try to reach a common ground, understand the people around you and learn something new. If you are truly here for a revolution ( and not to feed a false sense of ego like some people here think ), read some history books about the type of people who started revolutions. They weren’t abrasive and hasty. The Bible says “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves“.

My point is this is the society that you live in. And you’re not going to change anything by condemning and criticising. You can either learn to be more tolerant or you can stay angry. Nothing’s going to change with the way you’re going about it.