JeromeBlack:


You probably live in a country with laws and free speech.

I do. But with free speech comes responsibility. Doesn't mean it cant have detrimental effects.

I cant walk around saying homophobic things or racist things. Christians can't walk around talking about how muslims are trash and muslims can't walk around talking about how Christians are trash. There will be consequences. Same with atheists. Dont walk around talking badly about God because you don't believe. I dont understand. Why is it your business?

Alot my friends work in Saudi and the UAE as teachers. Christians and atheists. They dont talk about God and no one asks them any questions. They dont feel the need to discuss something that they dont believe in.

JeromeBlack:



Do you live in Nigeria?

No.

JeromeBlack:


Really?

Are you aware that atheism is illegal in Saudi Arabia?

Are you aware that atheists are punished in northern Nigeria? Kept in asylums, ostracized and discriminated against by religious people?

Are you aware that atheists are seen as immoral satan worshippers by religious people?

Are you aware that atheists are less likely to win elections in religious countries?

You should understand that religion and religious people attack us without provocation. Understanding religion is key to survival.

I dont know about all of that.

If you're atheist, how would anyone know ? A majority of my friends are atheist and its not even a topic of discussion ever. They dont believe in God and I do. Thats all. I think it becomes an issue when one feels the need to flaunt what they consider new found knowledge at the detriment of others.

Obviously that's all wrong. But let's be logical here, I dont go to church ranting Jesus is not God. If I don't believe in Jesus, theres no need for me to look at those who do as inferior ya feel me ?

In a Christian country, muslims are less likely to win elections. In a muslim country, Christians are less likely to win elections. Of course, I would want a world that lacks discrimination but everyone wants familiarity.

Honestly, it may be due to my own ignorance so please feel free to share information. I've never heard of anyone attacking without provocation an atheist. Honestly. I dunno maybe its just the news I listen to or the people I surround myself with but when someone says"Im an atheist" and they dont follow it by "believing in God is stupid" then I quite frankly dont know anyone who cares.

JeromeBlack:


Lol
You really seem let down. You really hoped that I was a Muslim who shared your interest in Mohammed hijab.


This should.be a lesson for you. Try to broaden your horizon
I am an atheist that reads religious scripture and arguments.

You should try and see what atheists , Christians and other non muslims are about.

This should be a lesson for you. Try to broaden YOUR horizons. I dont care what you are lol. How is that my business ? I'm not empiree babes . When islam asks us to educate ourselves, I took that very very seriously. Even when it took me away from the religion.

It's a logical assumption to make that you're Muslim if you watch Mohammad Hijab seeing that a majority of his viewers are Muslims.

I'm not a by force muslim. I've gone through phases where I have deferred in religion and belief. I actually dont know why atheists allow religion to take up so much of their life. I was never atheist but if I didnt believe in God, I just wouldn't care.

JeromeBlack:


I am not a Muslim.

Although, I am aware of the Umm Abdullah fraud.

She and her husband know how to act like real holy muslims when they are actually not. Fake exorcism and stuff.

Oh okay. Cool.

Empiree:
chai, see this guy lying to my face?. Tintingz just said yesterday and today that legal after in US is 18 generally. Due to pressures I put on you, you are now trying to fix your position. Brother, at least try to lie professionally next time. I told you yesterday about my female friend about my age who had her first child at 14. She became grandma at 36.

Bro, there are 30 yr old grandma on America. Stop listening to CNN and all the 3 letter media... They mislead.

Below is my friend's fb post when she had her first grandchild. You can see her she was 36

Lol. No worries

Empiree:
See this one. And you will turn around later to mock and slander muhammad hijab if he future debates is not sitting well with you. I know your type. So far, neither you nor sanpipita offered any solution. You hide your agenda but the other guy was bold enough to offer his solution that contraceptives and condoms are best solution.

Obviously his "solution" is meant to exploit young girls sexually. To mess up their lives and dump them. You however are just empty barrel.

Again, you should be ashamed of yourself to even post anything after reading tintingz's findings. Tintingz went to do some research and realized my point but you and sanpipita pigheadedly cling on. Let me remind you that screenshot I posted yesterday from paternity court's comment about a 27 years old guy who impregnated 16 year old girl is still valid. It is still up there. My question stands like yesterday. Why was he not arrested for sex with minor?. Instead he came to court to claim his baby.

You see what 27 yr old guy did?. That's exactly "solution" offered by the other guy. That's, to give them condoms and pills and use them for sex. Anyone try that with my daughter better dig his grave ready.

THE LEGAL AGE OF CONSENT IN THE USA IS 16. BRING A PATERNITY COURT EPISODE WITH A 14 YEAR OLD. 14 YEAR OLD THAT NORTHERN NIGERIAN MUSLIM MEN MARRY.

Please can you say what you're saying at work?

JeromeBlack:


I'm very happy actually.

A lot of people actually read the debates that go on here.

Any unbiased person reading this thread would see that muslims like you are a disgrace to modern society.


Please, go and watch Mohammed hijab and learn how to argue sensibly. Mohammed Hijab is a Muslim philosopher who debates atheists.

Honestly. It's a shame to be Muslim and lack intelligence. It shows true deep ignorance and mob mentality.

Oh! I like Mohammad Hijab. Are you following the whole ummxabdullah/hasanat case ?

Are you a muslim ?

JeromeBlack:



Actors don't her hurt abi? Accidents do not happen?

Abegi. You cannot reason.

AT ALLLLL!!

Owen Hart died on May 23, 1999, due to injuries suffered following an equipment malfunction and subsequent fall from the rafters of Kemper Arena in Kansas City, Missouri, United States, during his ring entrance at the WWF's Over the Edge pay-per-view event

Ordinary google we all have access to oo. Equipment malfunction and he fell.

tintingz:
In WWE there are two people having consent to fight each other and they get paid, in ram fighting they don't get consent from these animals or do they?, it's an abuse.

Don't mix things up.

Yes every culture has subjective view of things reason there is no absolute morality.

But I can tell you marriage with underage is health risk when about to have children.

This is meaningless.

Allah is testing what exactly? He knows what will happen if he allow these things to go down this road yet he made it so and want to punish people?

If he's merciful and all-knowing, he should have made the world a one nation, peaceful with an objective absolute law to save unnecessary drama but instead he said he made the nations differently with different laws and again want people to follow his laws in the Qur'an and again to test them but then he doesn't want this but somehow he allowed it.

Dont even bother hes sick. Btw WWE is acting and I've watched a bullfight several times in Spain.

Empiree:
Guy, the so called education didn't work in a long time. Stop deceiving yourself. Like my friend said back in 2007, "education is bullshit"

What you guys need to do is forever to govt to make provisions for them. You can not prevent human feelings. Tell them to fix the economy and provide provisions for every baby born in the country. That's what America does. They don't care if the girl is 12. They gonna take care of her and the baby one way or another. Their sex education is exactly what pushed these young girls to have sex to begin with. The ten is broad. The concept is not about preventing sex but preventing pregnancy and many other useful information but it doesn't prevent sex. That's my point.

You need to be deported.

Dazs all. You're a terrorist.

Empiree:
why are you comparing nija?. Humans are not homogeneous. Everything is subjective to culture. Do you agree with everything in Western culture too?. I guess no. Just bcuz they say it is against their law doesn't mean it has to be so in other part of the world. You just cited a case to proof your point. But this one in the screenshot was not arrested. He's boosting in court. If you watch The video no one talks about jail for having intercourse with minor. The law is selective sometimes. So please we are not homogeneous people. Respect others people's culture.

It is also a Nigeria culture that looters don't go to jail but in America you get jail sentence. Abeg, let people be. Ask your govt in nija to make provisions for basic needs of the people. Get over your high horse and emotion, bruv

Like are you okay? Do you MR EMPIREE (I wont use your real name in this context) know it's wrong? Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong. Like are you okay? America isn't my country. I dont care what they do there. My countries are where I focus on. There is an issue and rather than discussing how we fix it and progress you're here saying we have different cultures. Okay forget about America. Women in YOUR country are DYING because of lack of SEX EDUCATION.

The age of consent in the US is 16 like most countries. Nigeria barely has an enforced road policy never mind the 11year old disgusting age of consent it insinuates. Youre saying yes it's okay for 11year olds to have sex. But let's not education them on how to do it safely. To what extent ? Why ? So they should die ?

Why shouldn't looters go to jail lol. Like I dont see your point here.

I love Nigerian culture and I'm all for the preservation of it. But not when its detrimental. Not at the expense of little girls and little boys.
Education is a basic need. It's one of the most important step for any sort of progression. DUH

Empiree:
yes, bcuz that screenshot was a knockout. If I had posted image of a mullah and young girl you to wouldn't hesitate to say it is Islam that permits it. But since these are nonmuslims, you switched your mouth.

If it is unlawful in America why wasn't the guy arrested?. He was 27 and the girl was around 16/17 at the time. Clearly that's underage. Why wasn't he arrested?.

As I said before, I got more. A friend of mine just a year old than me had her first daughter at age 14. She's American. Her then boy friend was way older than him. Why was he not arrested for sex with minor if it was against the law?.

Now over 20s years later they are all fine. Stop your bullsh!t and smell coffee

Because they dont permit it!! I know someone who got pregnant at 13. The police and social services were at her place every single day. The guy got disowned by the society and went to jail. He was 18 and she even admitted that the sex was consensual and that was her boyfriend. In Nigeria, men marry underage girls ALL the time. No one is going to jail. AT the very least shamed. Tell the truth!!! That's the norm in western society. Everyone knows the worst thing you can be is
a pedophile.

Tell the truth and tell me that that girl admitted that was the guy who impregnated her ? He would 100% go to jail unless you're lying.

Empiree:
the reason you post silly things like this is because you try to bury your head in shame.

Obviously you and the other guy aren't comfortable with that screenshot. Yet you are quick to point accusing fingers at Muslims and Africans. The screenshot was taken from American paternity court. Talking about reduction of teen pregnancy, you must be listening to wrong news. Go and watch paternity court everyday and all these your nonesensical post would be irrelevant.

When I posted the screenshot all you guys could say was it doesn't justify it instead of acknowledging the fact that this is worldwide phenomenon. Bro, wake up and smell coffee. There are lots of young girl as young as 15 through 17 got pregnant and still getting pregnant in Western world despite sex education. Stop watching too much CNN.

There are provisions to ensure babies don't suffer. These provisions give them edge, especially taking about child support. They actually make a business... Some of these ladies.

How do you feel after saying that ? You watch paternity court, an Emmy winning tv show like game of thrones and you concluded that teenage pregnancy has not reduced in America. We should stop watching CNN because obviously Paternity court is a more reliable source.

I am African and muslim. This is an issue in OUR community. Why are you so quick to deflect ? The truth is this is an issue in our community. America is solving theirs by increasing sex education and we aren't! And uneducated people like you are the reason why Africa continues to suffer.

Soooooo a 15 year old, who is a child. That receives child support decides to make business by getting pregnant and having a child so she can... receive child support. Are you for real ? These women are DYING. As in dying. Do you know the implications of pregnancy on a young person ? But they get child support, which most men don't pay. So it's all good.

JeromeBlack:



My guy, you are truly gone.

We are only fortunate that you didn't meet the wrong person because you could have been swayed to be a bomber.

Your brain is seriously malfunctioning

As in there is no hope.

Empiree:
guy, be sensible. Evidence abound there are teen got pregnant and still getting pregnant. And the govt makes so much provisions for them that encourage this. If that these provisions are not there maybe they would close their legs. Definition of underage varies and subjective to cultures. That doesn't however means giving your 6yr old daughter in marriage. That's silly. Please address teen pregnancy with questionable paternity and stop hiding behind what is legally acceptable or not

Honestly have you ever read anything about what they teach in sex education ? Maybe that's where we should start. Please honestly dont be doing this.

As someone who went to sex education. The actual physical aspect of sex is extremely minuscule. There are women that don't even know the signs of pregnancy that are the norm. Women that dont even know how to wash themselves after going to the toilet talk less of having sex. Women that are so afraid have terrible illegal abortions and tell no one until they are found dead. Do you even have any compassion at all ? What do you think "dont have sex" has done in African countries? Nothing! Kids are still having sex. And even worse they're afraid to tell anyone about any issues because no one tells them anything. There are men that will have sex because of societal pressure and dont even know the simple signs of syphilis. Until it's far to late.

HIV is one of the biggest reasons we talk about sex education and just look at the difference that has made in Nigeria. People are confident to talk about it and it's not killing people.

Lack of education is KILLING people. A lot of teenage mothers in nigeria die of simple things because they lack the education. Fam be reasonable.

You're okay with 15 year olds getting married and having kids but not educating them on what comes with having these kids ?? How to enjoy their sex lives. How to protect themselves from diseases. You sound INSANE.

Empiree:
guy, be sensible. Evidence abound there are teen got pregnant and still getting pregnant. And the govt makes so much provisions for them that encourage this. If that these provisions are not there maybe they would close their legs. Definition of underage varies and subjective to cultures. That doesn't however means giving your 6yr old daughter in marriage. That's silly. Please address teen pregnancy with questionable paternity and stop hiding behind what is legally acceptable or not

I'm sorry you actually sound pretty disgusting. A 14 year old having sex with anyone older is completely wrong. T

If you spend any time at all doing some research and educating yourself you'd realise that since sex education teen pregnancy rates have REDUCED. Not abolished. Not only that, teenage pregnancy is most prevalent in African countries due to lack of education. Literally the number one cause of teenage pregnancy is due to people not being taught about safe sex and how to protect themselves.

You actually sound so uneducated. Is sex to you just about the physical aspects ? Please go check yourself. From one Muslim to another you sound extremely ignorant. You even have the audacity to post something about a 16 year old and an older man as if it justifies anything ? Soooooo with your post we should conclude that yeah some Americans are sick so its obviously okay. That's so disgusting. It doesn't matter if america does it or muslims do it or anything. Wrong is wrong.

There are statistics and consensus that show that not only has teenage pregnancy gone down, so has STIs, pedophilia and mental anguish that comes with lack of preparation for sex. The fact of the matter is sex education has improved situations and if you cant educate yourself on the matter then dont speak on it. There was a time that there was no sex education. Just educate yourself. Research and read. There was an epidemic in teenage pregnancies and sex education reduced this MASSIVELY. The country you're coming from doesnt have sex education and there are 15 year olds carrying children. Nigeria is top 15 in the highest teenage pregnancy countries in the world especially in northern muslim Nigeria. Please let's not live in ignorance. Islam is a perfect religion with imperfect followers. Let's admit that somewhere there has been a huge oversight and miscommunication that makes 70 year olds think its okay to marry and impregnate 14 year olds. And you're saying not equip these CHILDREN with sex education so they know how to take care of themselves. Northern Nigeria has one of the highest infant mortality rates SIMPLY due to the fact that these women are uneducated on how to take care of them selves prior and after having sex.

What were the hard parts of Islam that you dont understand/ agree with? But of course you have to follow because of submission to Allah.

Anyone can answer but I'm specifically interested in reverts. .

What were/are the parts of Islam, in theory and in practice, that you found didn't agree with your opinion/perspective? How did you come to terms with them?

What were the hard parts of your religion that you dont understand/ agree with? But of course you have to follow because of submission to God.

Anyone can answer but I'm specifically interested in converts. .

What were/are the parts of your religion, in theory and in practice, that you found didn't agree with your opinion/perspective? How did you come to terms with them?

Empiree:
Even if it year 2050 what was wrong in 1966 is wrong now. The only thing that changed was the law. The law persecuted them bcuz it recognized danger this practice poised to the community. It protects them in 21st century but it is still the same act. And now, see what it is doing to people

You sound more and more uneducated. If you had been as ungrateful as you are now back in 1966, where black people had JUST GOT CIVIL RIGHTS THAT ABOLISHED SEGREGATION. You wouldn't be spewing this rubbish. It was wrong for black people to use the same books as white people. Does the foolish logic you just used here apply still ?

Empiree:
No, i can read btw the line. If you understand and declare something is haram, you have no more business advocating for it or indireclty defending homosexual as you rightly put up defence against sino's. This means that you consider it haram is a lip service. I am not a fool. And at no point i have ever supported the so called sex education. You can quote me if i did. If you cant it means you lied. Sex education in itself exposes kids to sexual immorality. It improves nothing in the community. If something is haram it must be hated. What we dont do it attack the one who engages in it. That's a crime. Only the State has the right to persecute. You can hate a gay man but don't attack him. Attacking him is tantamount to hate crime. Just like atheists openly say in secular world "fuvk the modafuvking G-d". No one arrest them for it bcus it is not a crime. But attacking believers in God is.

So the so called "gay lesson" being taught in the UK is introduction and exposition of children to this debauchery.

Lol. Yeah because I'm unable to freely speak and Express my opinion. . Are you okay ? Like I actually think you have an issue with comprehension. I never said you advocated for sex education I said I didnt see you protesting against it like you are now. Please READ. READ. Didnt you have to do some sort of english comprehension exam before they granted your Visa ?

Lol sex education does no such thing. If you were to look at countries without sex education vs countries that do have sex education youd see a correlation between sexual maturity and the practice of safe sex and sex education.

Oh God. Criminal lesson 101. Free speech is not a crime but it does carry some implications. If not. I DARE you, go to your employer and tell them you hate gays. Tell your employer that gays have a mental disorder and should hide their sexuality. Harvard recently rescinded an offer letter to a school for hate speech. You're free to do the same.

Since we've established you've an issue with comprehension. I am absolutely an advocate of gay rights. I dont agree with homosexuality. I am well aware that it is haram. But I do not think gay people should be discriminated against. It is absolutely paramount that students learn how to be tolerant to anyone that may face persecution for the way they are.

No its not. Lol. You're on some other planet.

Empiree:
see this guy openly defending vices yet claimed to be Muslim




I never thought 20 years ago a Muslim would defend homosexual. My question for you is, since you claimes to be muslim, it means you must have read Quran stance on it.

Is homosexual Haram or halal according to Quran?. Please answer this question. According to definition of homosexuality in the Qur'an, it is sexual relation between parties of the same sex. A Muslim must not openly support Haram.

Even though sexual relationship with opposite sex is human fitra but committing Zina is Haram. I have not seen any Muslim, sheikh or imam openly supported Zina. We all preach against it but this doesn't mean Muslims don't engage in it secretly. That's no one's business. But it is our business when you openly condone Zina. We must stand to challenge it.

In the same way, is homosexual haram in the Qur'an?. Is so why are you condoning it openly?. Hating the practice is not homophobic. I must teach my children to hate the practice but not to insult or attack those who do. Answer my question, sir.

Lol. Sis. I've literally explicitly contradicted what you said. I'm not bipolar. I said "Everyone knows homosexuality is haram but we shouldn't hate. We should be righteous and treat them righteously." Like....

I can't believe there are people with access to FREE education in order to read and comprehend and they dont use it. Anyways. Like I've said... you dont have to support homosexuality. No one cares. You will not discriminate against them. The "gay education" you bashed is to educate kids to be tolerant. Something the Quran also teaches.

Its funny that you're not against sex education or even evolution that schools teach even though they're against the Qurans teaching. Schools teach Zina and gender equality. I didnt see your protest. You can go to a private school lol or leave the country!!!!! Ah ahn. Did they tie your hands ni. You're Nigerian. Go back to Nigeria. A PUBLIC school is able to teach about PUBLIC societial rules and laws.

Hating gay people is homophobic babes. Are you sure this isn't personal? Did a lady steal your woman or you dabble in the practice yourself ?

sino:


Oh, you should know that the arguments (much that I have witnessed) always boils down to science and what empirical evidences are available to support the claims!

Anyways, there is always an excuse for mental disorder in Islam, but if it is a conscious act, knowing fully well that it is haram, then there ain't no excuses!

With regards to hatred, sins are hated, and those who are sinful and are proudly so are hated even more, but again, that doesn't mean to be unjust towards such persons....

Unfortunately for you babes, it's not a mental disorder. . That's not your business or my business. Not everyone follows the ruling of the Quran. Regardless kids should be taught to be tolerant in school.

Sins are hated and we are all sinners. You sin, I sin. So we should all hate eachother and ignore all the verses that preach love in the Quran.

sino:


And that is the point of the quoted article. What the supposed authorities on mental health hold as 'scientific' evidence to declare homosexuality as normal is nothing more than anecdotal and antiquated perceptions! With such perceptions, perhaps we shall still get to a point where psychopaths and serial killers would be accepted as normal isn't it?!

Then babes you can say the same thing about any single human behaviour that has been debunked. So black people obviously are incapable of handling freedom and should be slaves. And even those that haven't been debunked. Having sex for pleasure rather than procreation is a mental illness obviously.

Homosexuality is not a mental disorder or illness. We can move on. Otherwise I agree with your post. Everyone knows homosexuality is haram but we shouldn't hate. We should be righteous and treat them righteously.

sino:


You would have helped your case better if you presented the empirical evidences that suggests homosexuality is normal, if you must know, it is these same empirical evidences that I seek that made your examples to be reviewed or outrightly rejected!

Theres no empirical evidence that anything is normal in terms of human behaviour. Show me evidence of anything being normal other than just societal norms and how things are perceived. All you have to do is read the findings of many psychologists and psychoanalysts including the father of them all Sigmund Freud, who explicitly said it was not an illness or a disease.

sino:
First of all, as Muslms, the facts remain that homosexuality is haram! There is no amount of civilization that can change this! That the world is so messed up, and we have societies that promote this behavior is not a yardstick for Islam!

Prior to all the UN, civil rights activism, amnesty international etc., Islam had stated clearly:

"O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do." (Sahih International Qur'an 5:

Of course, Islam frowns at homosexuality and homosexuals, but wouldn't deny the fact that they are humans and have the right to life, but based on principles of what is acceptable in an Islamic society. Islam frowns at overt expression of sexuality and sexual relations, even amongst lawful couples. So normally, your sexual adventures are to remain private, the problem is when you start making what ought to be private to the public and then forcing others to accept it as normal.

I stand to be corrected, but I haven't read any empirical evidence that suggests that homosexuality is normal, up till the 20th century, it was regarded as a mental disorder! Regardless of what science might uncover, it is pure common sense to know that the anus isn't a sex organ, a man and man or woman and woman is odd and doesn't make sense...The most awkward part is to now see these gays acting the opposite sexes in a relationship! Like it is obvious what is normal is a man and woman!

The below excerpt captures why I believe there is indeed a surreptitious plot to force the narrative that homosexuality is normal...

"The American Psychiatric Association and the APA provide the aforementioned studies as the scientific evidence that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexual orientation. The APA noted that homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social and vocational capabilities. Further, the APA urges all mental health professionals to take the lead in removing the stigma of mental illness that has long been associated with homosexual orientations (Glassgold et al. 2009, 23–24). The Amici Curiae Brief reiterates the same claim, and it supports the claim by citing the aforementioned literature which looked at “adjustment” and social functioning (Brief of Amici Curiae 2003, 11). As has been shown, though, adjustment and social functioning are irrelevant to determining whether the sexual deviations are mental disorders. As a result, the scientific studies that only looked at measures of adjustment and social functioning draw erroneous conclusions and result in “false negatives” as Spitzer, Wakefield, Bieber, and others have noted. Unfortunately, fatally flawed reasoning has served as the basis for “rigorous” and “scientific evidence” supporting the claim that homosexuality is not a mental disorder but is rather a normal variant of human sexual orientation. One cannot conclude (with Alfred Kinsey) that a human behavior is normal simply because it is more common than previously assumed—otherwise all human behaviors, including serial killing, would have to be considered normal. One cannot conclude (with C.S. Ford and Frank A. Beach) that there is “nothing unnatural” about a behavior simply because it is observed in both humans and animals— otherwise cannibalism would have to be considered to be natural. Most importantly, One cannot conclude (with Evelyn Hooker, John C. Gonsiorek, the APA, the American Psychiatric Association, and others) that a mental condition is not disordered because it does not result in “maladjustment,” distress, or impairment in social functioning—otherwise, many mental disorders would have to be labeled erroneously as normal. The conclusions arrived at in the cited literature are not supported by the premises proposed to be scientific fact; the faulty works cannot be considered credible sources.It is always best to give others “the benefit of the doubt.” Maybe the APA and the American Psychiatric Association accidentally made catastrophic logical mistakes in the literature they cite as evidence supporting the claim that homosexuality (and other sexual deviances) is not a mental disorder; that scenario is quite possible. Still, one should not be naïve and ignore the potential for powerful organizations to perform advocacy science. There are major inconsistencies in logic as well as arbitrary applications of certain principles by those upheld as “authoritative” in identifying and diagnosing mental disorders. The present summary and analysis in this paper of the literature put forth as “rigorous” and “significant” empirical evidence uncovers major deficiencies—irrelevant, outdated, and absurd literature—and calls into question the credibility of the APA and the American Psychiatric Association’s discussion and identification of sexual disorders. Indeed, suspect anecdotes and antiquated data have been used in the debates surrounding homosexuality, but the evidence shows that even the authoritative sources on mental disorders are guilty of those charges."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4771012/

"I stand to be corrected... " that's the paragraph I'm going to reply you on. There were many many many mental disorders back in the days. That's why we have an ever evolving educational system. There was also a mental disorder that "proved" black people were incapable of handling freedom and they should remain slaves. These same medical professionals used to drink heroine to cure sickness and approved putting cocaine in coca cola. They were wrong. They admitted they were wrong. Homosexuality is not a mental disorder.

The anus is not a sex organ but it has a g spot just for pleasure. . Many men, hetro and homo sexuals love stimulating their anal g spot. You should try it .

The last point about what is normal in a relationship in terms of gender roles isn't even worthy of discussion I'm sorry.

Empiree:
you don't understand anything at all. Now that I put pressure you agree that you don't agree with homosexual. That was my point all along.


The only difference between us is you publicly condone their right to practice it. That's clear from your posts.

What I disagree with is always discrimination against them like verbal or physical attacks on them. Why did you skipped this?. Now that I cited close example you said you don't agree with homosexual. Indeed

Listen bro, I will teach my children to hate homosexual practices with all their heart and soul but do not attack or discriminate against them.. if they come to your job and you are manager or CEO don't deny them employment on this basis etc. That's my point. But we hate them for this practice. Read btw the lines.

Saying I hate gay or homosexual is not tantamount to homophobic. But attacking and denying them basic needs are.

And there is a job I can't personally give them like TEACHING. Either Islamic teaching or Western education. No. I don't want them near my kids. That's not homophobic. That's my right to protect my children from them.

They can keep their homononsense to their bedrooms. That's fine with me. You however professed publicly what's in your heart. So I won't be surprised if your children end up gay. It is a fact, not making fun of you. At that time you be like "it is their right"

Smiling and suffering


It is responsibility of Muslim parents to teach their kids about halal and haram

I dont understand anything at all. Okay. Master of all knowledge I'm glad you're here to teach us all. We'd all be lost without you . You've never put pressure on me. You could never lol . Dont be flattering yourself. It's now obvious you only read to reply not read to understand. Which is fine. Everyone is different.

From reading the posts here, no one is saying explicitly that homosexuality is their preferred sexual orientation. They just are all tolerant to it. . Please dont be a hypocrite. You live in the western world as do I. You publicly condone it.

You never cited any example of anything lol what What are you talking about ? It doesn't matter if I agreed with homosexuality or not. I can tell you I agreed and youd have nothing to say. In fact you're explicitly contradicting yourself. You literally said there is no need to focus on gay discrimination since it's written in the constitution. Why are you focusing on gay discrimination by telling your kids not to discriminate against them or hire them. Why dont you just say "follow what's in the constitution". What you just said there is a basic summary of "gay education". No one is teaching your kids to agree with homosexuality or practice it. They're teaching your kids not to discriminate and to understand that people are different.

You can teach your children whatever you please. Some parents, similar to you, will teach their kids to hate muslims/ ethnic minorities/ Jews. And then they will hate you for your practice and not discriminate. I don't even care about all of that. My point is you are in the western world, the government is paying for your education. You've chosen to integrate in their society. Go to a private school or move. Simple.

Lol again. Homosexuality has very little to do with sex similar to heterosexuality. Maybe you plan on giving your kids a tutorial but thats not what schools are there for. No worries. I dont care if you are surprised or not lol. How is that something I should even think about on my day to day ? Empiree isn't surprised my kids are gay wowwwwww. How will I go on.

Empiree:
I'm tired of you. I'm tired of your twisting a very clear headline. Please don't take this personal

I hope all your kids turn gays/lesbians before your eyes. Only then you get to think properly. But I'm sure you will come out with your brown teeth to tell us "it is their right". But inside of you is burning

Lol you're a very confused individual babes. I even went to go read the full article. That's exactly what it says.

I dont personally agree with homosexuality but I will not discriminate. I'm a Muslim so I wont pray your kids end up hateful, spiteful, intolerant terrorists. Neither will I pray they end up in a position that they will be treated unfavourably because of anything that they do or the way they are. I hope the schools they go to teach tolerance in spite of differences or disagreement so they dont end up in a bad situation.

Empiree:
you skipped headline all the way from top and middle only to pick the bottom line to make yourself feel good. Kontinu

They also cut aid to the country. Its their money and they dont want to give it to homophobics. Lol I don't see a problem. They should ask you to fund them instead, you both have similar ideologies.

Empiree:
you skipped headline all the way from top and middle only to pick the bottom line to make yourself feel good. Kontinu

Lol the sanction is... they'll ban anti gay activists from entering their country.

Empiree:
how about sanction on countries that punish gay? Is that not imposing this sexual orientation on others?. Our world is not homogeneous my friend.

That's their country. I dont see your point. You're free to move there if you want to discriminate.

The screenshot you just sent me said the US bans homophobics from their country. Why shouldn't they ? They ban racists and terrorists. They can do what they like.

Empiree:
you will never understand until some of those children eventually turn gay. That's their goal. They don't have to tell you they aren't teaching gay. No one tells you to hate nobody. Please stop using this tactic. I have said earlier that no one has the right to attack others for their sexual orientation. Why are you guys doing injustice to yourself?.

My question is why did they single out homosexual of all subjects?. They have ulterior motives which you guys are blind to see. Don't worry about where I live.

By constitutional rights in UK etc, no one should be discriminated against. Constitution already guarantees this. So why is there a need for them to single out this class to teach kids to be tolerate towards them?. It is parents job to teach their kids not to hate anyone or attack anyone.

Question still remains because the other guy didn't answer. Why did they single out gay lesson to be taught at junior school?.

These kids are naturally on fitra. They want to distort their natural order. If you don't see that now just wait when parents get worried about their kids turn gay. I'm sure that UK law doesn't allow public nudity. In that case I don't expect gays or straight to have intercourse in public. It is a private thing. Therefore they should keep their homosexual life in their bedrooms. No one knows what goes on there. Why did they need to advertise and impose special lesson on people?.

I never claimed to have perfect life than them but we all know what is wrong is wrong. You don't need to be religious or cite Islam before refuting this. These people in authority that legalized homosexual don't themselves do it save few. But they want to destroy your life in the name of your 'rights'.

I will never understand but you do ? Oh teach me mighty master! That's not anyone's goal. As an educator myself, I see the aim of these programmes. They don't single out anything. It's just a section in sex education. Homosexuality is a part of sex education in our society and they need to be taught. The same way they talk about Islamophobia, antisemitism and racism. No one has the right to attack based on sexual orientation but here you are... attacking... based on... sexual orientation.

Just like based on American constitution no one has the right to be discriminated against but didn't Starbucks make all its employees go to a training on how to treat minorities. I didnt see you protesting against this. Neither did you complain when police officers have to undergo extra training on how to treat ethnic minorities. Something that is already imposed in their constitution. The reality is Homosexuals are being discriminated. They are being KILLED. And it wouldn't do anyone any harm to be more tolerant. .

I'm confused did you see a video of them showing kids an intimate video of gays ? They show the exact same thing they show about straight people. I don't see you complaining when they show the exact same thing about straight people lol. Homosexuality has been around for centuries. I wonder where those people got their inspiration. I didnt realise the UK gay agenda predates even Nigerias independence lol.

Okay and ? And ? I dont see your point. How are you a self proclaimed imperfect man going to discriminate against me another imperfect person ??