Empiree:
This old chick sent this to you

Which old chick ? Your wahala is too much sef

On a lighter note! Isn’t this just beautiful? Empiree, lanrexlan, rilwayne001, tintingz, advocatejare lets focus on some positives! May Allah soften our hearts. You too whitelotus

whitelotus:
Empiree, your northern muslim brothers are at it again!

An atheist has been arrested for blasphemy in Kano.

Sharia law fails again!

https://www.nairaland.com/5823690/police-arrest-mubarak-bala-blasphemy


cc saucyxo, lanrexlan, rilwayne001, tintingz, advocatejare

Abeg why did you tag me here. You know I don’t agree with such politics. People are allowed to believe God doesn’t exist. However, I do find it quite silly to publicly disrespect other people’s beliefs. I wouldn’t go to the KKK and shout white people are trash. Not because I don’t have to right to but it would be quite silly. I think we all need to be aware of our environment and act accordingly. But I do not agree with this. There’s no compulsion in theism or religion

whitelotus:
cc saucyxo.

opinions on this thread?

I’ve said it time and time again. I agree with Mr Aliyu. Don’t bother have this conversation with Empiree and the rest lol they don’t agree and that’s that. They are not representative of the Muslim population don’t worry. Empiree told me he wouldn’t let his daughter marry that young lol I think his zeal to protect Islam is clouding his judgement on Muslims. Knowledge is not to argue. It’s to know better and do better

I’m so sorry for your loss. May Allah provide you with ease.

Empiree:
Why you asked nau?. You wanna marry me?

Abeg lol so my 12 year old will marry a 70 year old. I rebuke it.

I want to know how your wife handles you ni

Empiree:
Yup

Oga Empiree, you too dey cause wahala. Are you married ?

Born2Freak:




Let me make myself clear, I do not condone any form of underage marriage. Even 18 year olds are barely mature. Not to talk of those under 18.

Great! We’re on the same page then! Don’t bother with Empiree. I’m sure he’s a lovely guy but him saying he wouldn’t let his child marry is the best you’re going to get! Try another topic maybe ?

Empiree:
Why are you ashamed?. Who controls media today?. You seen only muslims but you dont see much f other tribes and religion bcuz media simply doesnt want you to.

Example, if a muslim does something it will be on the news 24/7 for months. A nonmuslim does worse than that it hit the news briefly and thast it or may not even hit the news. Example was recent malicious treatment of muslims in India/Kashmir and China before corona outbreak. Did you hear that on mainstream?. YOu o nly seen people uploaded clips about it on fb. So go to india and china you see worse they do. Right there in nigeria, kiriyo do worse. But who reports it?. nobody bcus they control the media. So the least thing i wanna argue with fellow muslims over is the so called underage marriage. Their buddies are there at the vatican molesting kids but they got the nerve to talk about muslims.

Empiree. I 100% agree with you! Yes Muslims are being overly reprimanded for things that are common in every single culture. I completely 100% agree.

But you are not making anything better. Even if it was only one Muslim, Empiree, it’s still wrong. That’s all she wants you to acknowledge. Yes Muslims are being portrayed as evil and their wrong actions are heavily blown out of proportion and emphasised by the media. But at the end of the day the action is still wrong!

In an hypothetical situation: I grew up in a country that is predominantly white. In my secondary school there was 5 black people. Every single time one of us got in trouble it would be “ugh the black kids are doing this again”. But at the end of the day, we got in trouble. Was it right that they put all of us under one blanket ? Absolutely not! But it wasn’t right that I was doing things that I shouldn’t have been doing either. When I went home, my argument can’t be but white people are doing it too (for which they got in trouble for, but not to the same extent as I did). My mum would slap me! Why am I doing something bad in the first place that I know is bad? Especially when I know that the consequences are not mine alone but all black kids in the school. Do you feel me ?

The issue here is that I want NO ONE to get married to children not that everyone should be equally castigated for it. I’m not sure about Born2freak but I want no one to marry a child and if they did, we hold them accountable and then punish them accordingly. My issue with you, is that you don’t want to acknowledge that in most cultures it is not acceptable to marry children and people are frowned upon for doing it. That’s how they start to become accountable. Most people that would do such would do it in secret or would be publicly shamed. We have to employ the same for Muslim men. In that way, we hold them accountable for their wrongs so when they would be less inclined to do it and when they do, the media is aware that this is not something Islam and Muslims promote.

Empiree:
make up your mind. So what it your problem if Saudi man married a young girl since you agreed it is legal in their country?. What was the purpose of your post in the first place?.

Mind you, are these muslim too?. You keferi people have issues. Many of you are undiagnosed mentally sick people

Sis I agree with you. It’s very very very disgusting. These men are disgusting and vile. I am a Muslim and It is a BIG problem among Muslim men, not Islam.

I think our friend Empiree just doesn’t want to find fault in Muslims. I’d like to believe he agrees but wants to deflect the issue. It’s wrong when Igbo do it, it’s wrong when Japanese people do it, it’s wrong when Muslims do it. And the prevalence among Muslim men is DISGUSTING!

Btw, there’s nothing in any religion stopping anyone from marrying a 12 year old. I don’t believe it’s the religion that perpetuates this bad behavior to be honest. Empiree is just different I think. I am Muslim and I’m very ashamed of it and so is every other Muslim I know.

Sorry I was replying to born2freak. Stay safe

true2god:
I am already a Muslim but I don't believe in Mohammed. Afterall, all the disciples of Jesus, and Jesus himself, are all Muslims and they never believed in Mohammed, went to Mecca or kissed the black stone. So following the model of the Islamic Jesus, together with his sahabas, I am a Muslim.

Is this actually true? Or you’re being sarcastic?

Cheers01:



Whatever. Time will tell.

Don't tell me you're upset with me

Cheers01:



If it is true that you live in Europe, you will struggle with your faith.

And guess what? The dangotes and rich Nigerian muslims are not really religious. Many of them drink and party hard.



Anyhow, no worries. Time will tell the truth. There were two muslims here that hated me many years ago. Today, they are atheists.

Really? Why? Why haven't I struggled?

Ehnnn you know Dangote personally? So its because I'm not a billionaire, that's why I'm a muslim haha

Lol really? Who and who? Name them

Cheers01:



I told you that I have dated Muslim girls.

Also, there was a muslima nairaland girl like you too.

I know what I am saying.


Especially, when you are ready to get married, you would realise that many of your Muslim Nigerian men are like Empiree and then, you are not really into Arab guys....then you mistakenly date a white guy or a non Muslim Nigerian. This is a common story told in Europe.


Even as I speak now, many of my Muslim friends drink alcohol. These are the Nigerian big boys. Wealth has a way of killing your deen. So even if you find a cool Nigerian Muslim, he would be too cool for Islam.

Lol. You have never and will never date anyone like me maybe in your dreams lol

I've entertained the company of Nigerian muslim and non muslim men. I will choose a muslim man x100. I've actually never met a guy like Empiree. Ever.
I can never date a white man lol
Common story told in Europe lol really? I've never heard the story oo. All my Nigerian muslim friends marry Nigerian Muslim men. Women that think like me. You don't even know how I think

Really? So Dangote that I'm trying to attract is a cool Muslim?

This is a faceless online forum. For all you know I could be Empiree and talking to myself.

Cheers01:


I'm speaking from experience.

Lol what shared experience do we have?

Empiree:
It would be interesting if you could shed light on your research. The above research was sent by a non muslim friend.It is still open to counter challenges

Absolutely! I'm sure you friend read a blog post from a very clickbait website called yournewswire.com which has now been deleted now I think.
Here's the link of the false blog post. http://archive.is/phVpT

The blogpost refers to a study and it seems the person who wrote the blog, summarised the study and then added their own opinion.

https://archive.is/ZefMP
Here's the actual study that explains that male microchimerism, is found in women who may have had pregnancies they didnt know about, women that shared a womb with a man, women that have an older brother with the same mother. Or women who's mother had a transfusion. Across various studies.


Theres no mention of sexual intercourse even though it has been speculated but theres more suggestion against it and no actual study or evidence.

Cheers01:



No worries. I see you leaving religion soon, anyway.

Whys that ?

Cheers01:


Prayer session to a God that I do not believe in?

If that is case, I wouldn't mind praying behind you. That way, I can look at your bended behind when I'm bored.

Anyhow, I'm used to switching behind vegetarian and non vegetarian diets.


No worries sha. I know you are not ready for an atheist friend yet.

Lol. I have lots of athiest friends. Thats so funny.

Ew. I meant a lecture or discussion about various themes in Islam.

I'm not a vegetarian lol I just dont eat meat

If you have sex with a man, his DNA doesn't live in you forever lol. That's false. Sperm are haploid cells that die in a couple of days. The only way a woman would have gathered make DNA is by pregnancy or by having a older brother with the same mother.


Microchimerism has nothing to do with sex... unless you get pregnant. Theres not a single study that shows any correlation between microchimerism and sex.

Men!!!! Stop sleeping around. Actual studies have shown men think about sex more. Men actively pursue sex more. Men masturbate more. Men, over a lifetime have more sexual partners. Men lose their virginity at a younger age and feel less guilty about sex.

Men!!!! Guide your chastity

Cheers01:



You are praying for an atheist?

Thanks anyway. Dont forget to invite me for any Sallah/Ramadan feast you are doing.

I dont eat meat lol sorry!

I'll invite you to a nice prayer session though

As we close this topic, We thank God for providing us with the access and the ability to gather information and form opinions. We thank God for our ability to type and express ourselves. We hope that we have not abused this ability and may God forgive us for our unintentional wrongdoings in the course of this conversation. May Allah grant us all the spirit of discernment. May He continue to guide us in our path to righteousness.

The prayer is for you too cheers01

Please let's just leave this topic. We all have opposing views and theres no progression. Imagine if we died tomorrow and this is what our last deed on earth was. lanrexlan, sino, empiree, we are muslims and let's just keep happy thoughts. My honest most sincerest apologies if I offended anyone during the course of this conversation.

Let's all share good news
Testimony time!

Empiree:
I owe you absolutely no explanation or apology. You constantly twist words. smh Yet you claimed to love reading english and you passed reading test. But you failed woefully here. Anyways, everything you said is based on your emotion not reality. I have posted references in forms of videos, screenshots but you rather looked the other way.

Again, I am using your statement against you. You said earlier that "there is no universal right or wrong". So why do you think you can force your opinion on others?. I will try not to get ban again by posting some details i tried to post 3 days ago to no avail with evidence of a friend of mine that i tried to glean from her fb page, who gave birth to her first child when she was 14 yrs old. Her child is now 25 and happy. And VVF that you and that idiot in new york who called herself Stella Damascus keep talking about has nothing to do with age but your environment that govt doesn't care about. If your govt set up standard healthcare system no such thing would happen

Lol wetin concern me. You advocate for child molesters. Why are you offended If you believe its the right thing.

We've moved on babes...
Like I explained. We are not discussing if it's right it wrong. We are discussing how child molestation is illegal and detrimental to child. We are discussing why Muslim men are obsessed with little girls.

Lol oh please. You've posted your prized possession of a screenshot already. Thank God you're not a Nigerian representative in the States and nairaland has people that are able to travel far and wide. Anyways. We have seen your evidence. Did you read the 50,000 women that died from child marriage. Oh. But your friend didnt so obviously it's all false.

sino:


Age of consent as dictated by society has seen a couple of changes, now that 18 is said to be the age of consent in Nigeria and some other places doesn't mean it is the standard that each society/country must adhere to! If a child at 14 commits a crime, no society would say let's leave him/her alone, they are just children, rather they create avenues in correcting the child depending on the gravity of the crime, and in some cases, they are even tried in court as adults!

Pedophilia is also child molestation and abuse, and Islam does not in anyway encourages this! Marriage is lawful between mature individuals, who agree to marry and not forced! What if the 14 year old child wants to get married?! No?! But you agree she can have a boyfriend or girlfriend?! And have sex?! I have already pointed it out that maturity as depicted in Islam entails more than just having a monthly period or wet dreams, it involves understanding you are responsible for your actions as it affects your life and more importantly, your hereafter!




Of course I mentioned my digression to point out the fact that all these sexual orientations being bandied about are "diseases" that should require proper attention, rather than finding excuses of genetics or that is the way they are and not their choice!

Definitions are important, I had been reading how people on here have been claiming one is a pedophile or supporting pedophilia which is wrong! I do not have an issue with the UN claiming anyone below 18 is a child, but in the recent past, this was not the case as even in Nigeria, most of our grandparents especially females marry below the age of 18! Wouldn't it be foolhardy to claim your grandparents where child abusers and molesters?!



As I have mentioned previously, culture and traditions differ, societies abound with their own ways and norms, a 14 year old in Lekki phase 1 is different from a 14 year old in Mushin Ajina! That is just in Lagos o! A lot of teenage boys in Lagos that are less than 18 are working and earning money, most of them are into cultism and you know what, they all have girlfriends of same age bracket having sex, some are already having children!

The cases of VVF and its attendant issues as much to do with poor health care system and the state of the economy, the age of the mother could be a risk factor, but it isn't the cause! Secondly, in cultures where they marry early, they usually have a support system especially from extended family in taking care of the mother and child...Of course the government in those areas where this is rife are partnering with international organisations in improving the primary health care, as well as awareness, even against early marriage.

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of a child, signed by every country and mandated by all except the USA (due to capital punishment) has researched and done studies and have declared that every body under the age of 18 is a Child. No child should be tried to adult court. No child should be slept with under the age of 18. No body should murder. The bill is one that takes into account the current status of the country and tries to fix it.
Most countries have, in a pursuit to follow the Bill that they signed and agreed to have abolished trying kids to adult court. I think it's the uk left.

Listen. I know sex outside marriage is a sin. I am a muslim. Just like drinking and smoking. Not lowering your gaze. Wearing gold as a man. Eating pork. Except when your child eats pork, you scold them, ask them to stop and if they continue to do it, that's what you continue to do. You dont them in a cage and force them only eat chicken. As muslims, we know that we sin. Sinning and repenting is part of our Islam in a sense. Dont, because your child has sinned (Against God oo, not against you) force them into something that is very detrimental to their life. Please If you actually care, read about the implications of child marriage especially when parents are involved. It is socially and emotionally detrimental. The kids arent having sex because they care about eachother really or they want to get married or to fulfils Gods plan or anything. They're doing it because they cant control their sexual urges and they dont know any better. That doenst mean you hand Azeez a condom and tell him to enjoy himself. But at the same time you dont put them in the shackles of marriage. Like normal 14 year olds they'll break up in 4 months. Both parents will now start indirectly forcing them to stay together. The reality of marriage is, the longevity is based on mutual respect, perseverance, the ability to see the bigger picture. The reality is who you are at 14 and who you are at even 17 are two very different people. All of a sudden all the the sexual urges for that specific person is gone and a 14 year old doesn't see any bigger picture. Amina is now looking rubbish while Aisha is looking good.

Will you now be divorcing every 4 months or will you force them to be in an unsustainable relationship. Which isn't even halal because who are you fooling? I see these kids dont want to get married so you think God wont know?

Dont ruin your childs future because you're ashamed of their sins. How do you think God feels about yours?

lanrexlan:
Wow, @ bold so you agree that she can have a boyfriend and have sex than "getting married"?! So, fornication and potentially having kids outta wedlock is better than "getting married?"

Wawu, no wonder logicboy is "romancing" you with the tag of "moderate Muslim"

I dont know who logicboy is and I dont care. I'm against any disgusting man that thinks it's okay for a CHILD to get married. Dirty shameless disgusting men that put islam to shame.

Potentially having kids outside wedlock? What does that even mean? Why is it your decision to make?

So in order to prevent having kids outside wedlock, one should have a fake unhappy marriage so they can do what? She doesn't want to have sex with that old raggedy man. She wanted to sleep with her boyfriend.

This is why this remains a stupid cycle. Nigerians are so freaking egoistic and uneducated its ridiculous!!! This is the 21st century!!! Catch up with the rest of the of world!! Studies have shown if you educated women and boosted their self esteem and allowed them to understand their value and worth, they wouldn't be sleeping around. You act as if women are stupid and you pass them from father to husband. All they know how to be is at the back and call of men. Their father will treat them one way and if any man treats them that way too they will off pant. How about have your men take responsibility for once in Nigerian history. Ask your men to respect themselves. These are kids. Why are you looking at a 14 year olds breast, you're mad. You need to be stoned. KMT

lanrexlan:
Wow, @ bold so you agree that she can have a boyfriend and have sex than "getting married"?! So, fornication and potentially having kids outta wedlock is better than "getting married?"

Wawu, no wonder logicboy is "romancing" you with the tag of "moderate Muslim"

When God put herself and myself in this world, were we conjoined? Was my belief and faith intertwined with hers? Did God put me in this life to do is His job on the day of Judgement? How is it your business to force someone to get married if they just want to have sex? You don't need to agree, you dont need to disagree. It's hasn't got anything to do with you! Are you a perfect Muslim? Are you a perfect man? We all are sinners. Every single one of us and our salvation is in the Mercy of God. You dont even know if that's how God has written her life to be. Or maybe she doesn't believe in God. MIND YA BUSINESS!!!!!

I can't believe this. Someone forces a 17 year old into marriage and you're saying it's better than her sleeping around? Why do care about her vagina? Is it your own How does it affect your life She has every right to run away. She has told you her intentions. She is a child for goodness sake. I don't want her to have sex so you marry her to do what Shes now having sex with someone she doesnt like so she can be getting cursed. As in it's not even making sense What do you think you have done there Islam is very clear on intentions. She didnt marry out of not wanting to fornicate. You literally sold her into prostitution for fake Nikkah. Do you think God is a dummy Girl wants to sleep around. Parent forces girl to get married? Do you think God is stupid and He doesn't see that her (your) intentions of marriage was make it seem like shes not committing sin. She doesn't want to marry. When God speaks to her He will. Till then as a parent, educate her. Find the root of her issue. It's your job to know your child. What about islam does she feel shes lacking? Why doenst she have the same attitude towards her creator? If youve truly tried your best as a parent to guide and educate then theres nothing you can do. You cant trick God by hiding your fornicating daughter in marriage. It's her that will have to use her intentions to answer to God. If you're an onlooker MIND YA BUSINESS. Focus on your own.

Thank u next.

Cheers01:



Saucyxo, the true story is coming out now.


Your Muslim brothers will not condemn the marriage of a 50 year old man to a 14 year old girl in Saudi Arabia. As long as it is sanctioned by a sharia court, they will abide by it.

Lanrexlan is talking about maturity and consent. Ogbeni, a 14 year old lacks the maturity to consent.

Why are you tagging me lol you're a grown man. You can handle it. .

Don't worry. Its only a certain type of people think like this. It's really nothing to do with Islam persay but its followers. I think its lack of education. 14 year olds shouldn't be getting married. It's a 17 year olds fault for running out of a marriage. I've never heard of such a ridiculous thing. Obviously the girl didnt want to get married. Nigerians need to stop this silly "my way is the best way" kind of mentality. Mind ya business. She wants to have a boyfriend not get married. Periodt.

lanrexlan:
Can't you see where I said I don't support paedophilia and no Muslim on this thread does?! Are you trying to cherry-pick my words or what?! I was simply exposing the double standards of the guy who keep centering his attacks on Muslims doing it while ignoring the facts that there are many of such cases in the western world where he claimed that 18years is the age for marriage.


For the last time, I don't support paedophilia and I condemn it. Happy?

Okay no worries lol sorry! .

sino:

Assalam alaykum brother mine, well said, although I believe we must first have clear definitions of terms before having any discussions/arguments with these folks who are majorly keen on finding faults and insullting the deen...

1. Pedophilia
Pedophilia is an ongoing sexual attraction to pre-pubertal children. It is considered a paraphilia, a condition in which a person's sexual arousal and gratification depend on fantasizing about and engaging in sexual behavior that is atypical and extreme. Pedophilia is defined as recurrent and intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children—generally age 13 years or younger—over a period of at least six months. Pedophiles are more often men and can be attracted to either or both sexes. How well they relate to adults of the same or opposite sex varies.
Source

Please take note of the bold, it is therefore necessary to mention that Islam never encourages this, but rather Islam mandates anyone getting married to be 'mature'...Islam as the technical definition of what this 'maturity' entails, fundamentally, being responsible for your actions sums it all. Also, as one of the lessons learnt about the history of Islam as well as the spread, culture and tradition of the society plays a unique role in the society so that we can say, Islam never came to abolish or destroy culture and traditions of a people, rather it came to remove the filth and negatives and accepts, or upholds the good and positives in such culture and traditions...

What a society might consider as mature and a marriagable age would definitely differ, but fundamentally, Islam teaches that such a male or female going into marraiage must be of a responsible age and not prepubescent as the definition of pedophilia above suggests.

2. "In May 2015, research from the National Crime Agency suggested 250,000 men in the UK could be considered "true paedophiles" - adults who are attracted to pre-pubescent girls less than 12 years old.

Talking to The Independent in the wake of the research, one psychologist working said they should be treated as victims rather than offenders.

“It is a disease, it is a trait, it is not a choice. They haven’t chosen to change, but they can learn how to live responsibly with their sexual desires," Petya Schuhmann, who works with a scheme in Germany called Project Dunkelfeld, which allows individuals to anonymously contact therapists who help them control their sexual urges towards children.

Last year, a self-confessed paedophile, Todd Nickerson, a freelance graphic designer from Tennessee, caused uproar after writing an article asking people to be understanding of his "sexual orientation".

Called I'm a paedophile, you're the monsters, the piece explained how he believed his molestation as a child was the reason he is now sexually attracted to young girls. He also mentioned his membership of the "Virtuous Paedophiles" forum - an online community of paedohpiles who have vowed never to act on their sexual urges.

In July 2010, the Harvard Mental Health Letter of July 2010 stated that "paedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges".

The idea of treating paedophilia as a disease has long been controversial.

In 2013, Donald Finklater, of the child protection charity the Lucy Faithfull Foundation, said: "There may be some vulnerabilities that could be genetic, but normally there are some significant events in a person's life, a sexually abusive event, a bullying environment … I believe it is learned, and can be unlearned."
Source

I digress a bit, if you look at the bold in red, these are some of the argument points of those who support another sexual orientation, homosexuality. But why pedophilia is frowned at and rightly so, is the fact that it involves prepubescents, unlike homos who are consenting adults, aside this facts, there happens to be no other justification not to classify it as a disease or a bad behaviour that can be unlearned!

You have said it all Lanre, they do not have a sense of morality and thus, the level of their 'intellect' pushes them to accept and disagree at a snap of a finger, coupled with the herd mentality of being tagged civilized or 'woke'....

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The act of child abuse is different from pedophilia. You can be attracted to kids (which many muslim grown men are) making you a pedophile and do nothing about it and also be a molester and a child abuser which is the molestation and abuse of a child (anyone below 18 or the legal age of consent). Similar to how you can have thoughts about stealing but you're not a thief until you actually steal. Thats what Empiree is being accused of supporting, child molestation/abuse.

Islam mandates anyone getting married to be mature? A 14 year old boy that doesn't have a job and is being financially and emotionally supported by his parents when hes meant to be a guardian for a woman is mature?

You wrote a lovely summary on the movement of the addition of P to the LGBTQ+ agenda. Great. There are people who are sexual deviants. If you were actually interested in the topic, rather than using it for a counter argument then, you'd find it irrelevant to the topic at hand. There are women and men who find it sexually arousing to be beaten, raped, defecated on, urinated on, choked. There are men who find it sexually arousing to be locked using a chastity belt. There are men and women who find sexual pleasure in KILLING women. Theres are terms usually end in phillia to indicate unnatural behaviour towards sex. The second you kill someone for sex, you stop being a necrophile and you start being a murderer! The second someone that is sexually attracted to children touches a child ( anyone below 18 or below the legal of consent) they start being a child molester. The united nations law, after extensive research on the ability of the mature mind has named anyone below the age of 18 a child.

Anyone who promotes or advocates for the sexual contact of a child and an adult, is promoting child molestation. If grammatical wording is your issue. Also, in the study of the CHILDREN that are being married by the United nations. Only 1 in 25 men are actually below the age of 18 and 0.3% of them are below 15.
You sit and think about the psychology of a child. One that is easily influencable. Not only that, you act as if a large majority of these little girls and boys are asking to be married. They rarely come to their parents and say they want to marry a 40 year old due to risk of fornication. These children are at high health risk. They are DYING. A 14 year old girl that is in the care of her 40 year old husband. Neither of them understand how to take care of women after childbirth. These little girls DIE. Like have you no soul?

lanrexlan:
How did you see me? I was just passing by.

Firstly, it is unfair twisting Empiree's words, he NEVER supported paedophiles and you know that, just trying to make issues where there is none. But I am not really surprised anyways, it is Logicboy


My stance:
In an ideal society, a 14 years old girl should be in school learning. But unfortunately, we live a highly sexualized (hyper-sexualized) society where everywhere you turn to is about sex and sex. Sex is being promoted every single corner of the world, from billboards to even selling a soap of N100.


Teenagers of today have high sexual drive and they are more inclined towards sex. So, what's the solution? Unfortunately, you haven't procured any solution on how to curb underage sex among teenagers. All those sex education doesn't work. What some are teaching is playing safe and if turns sour to pregnancy, some will encourage abortion. Islam doesn't support "playing safe" for unwedded people cos that's fornication, abortion too is haram. This is a parting line between us, you don't regard those things as fornication or sin.



If a 14 years old girl is already "lambaing" and "lamoshuaging", it is better to "get her married" to the 14/15 years old boy whom they are committing the act together (Paedophilia is marriage of underage girls to older men). When I say "get her married", I don't mean living together as husband and wife. Indeed, they may be young for the traumas and emotionally aspect of marriage and fending for themselves. But by "being married ", they would at least they will have a means to fulfill their urges naturally and lawfully.


This means that both parents will meet and know themselves (as in-laws and fulfil the necessary things for marriage), these teens are permitted to see one another when due and if pregnancy sets in, the girl won't become a baby mama as she is married to the boy. The parents would support them financially and emotionally till they can stand on their feet.

The benefits are:

1) No multiple sex partners.
2) No denying of the pregnancy.
3) No stigmatization for getting pregnant. (especially in this part of the world, Nigeria)
4) No fear of STDs.


Is that not better than sleeping around and getting pregnant, having children from fornication? Ooh, you are an atheist and you have no standards for morals (sorry if I sound offensive). Your brain is your yardstick for morals and values, that's why you can't see anything wrong with fornication and having children outside wedlock.


But imagine a 14 years old girl already having 15 bfs before clocking 20 and they all have sampled her honeypot, what's the dignity in that? (Same with boys) What is the dignity in sleeping around with different girls/boys? Ooh, sorry you are an atheist and everyone is free to do anything they like with their bodies since they aren't hurting others! Zero morals!!!


Bottomline is, as a Muslim parent, if one can get their kids tamed and curbed them from this menace of fornication, that's the best. But if one can't, it is better to "get my kid married" than fornicating under my roof! QED

Tell Empiree to explicitly say that he condemns old Muslim men that marry women under 18.

Soo when said 14 year old girl and boy gets tired... they divorce and move on to the next ? How many 14 year olds that are having sex, stay in a relationship talkless of marriage? That's absolutely so ridiculous, you're acting like these 14 year olds reason and think like 30 year olds. They are kids. If a 14 year old boy gets any girl pregnant, in marriage or not, it will lead to a very unhappy life. Youre here saying child marriage reduces the risk to stds... FALSE. 1. If kids are already fornicating, the chances of them forgoing religion to cheat is very likely. 2. Child marriages increase the chance of most diseases. Including HIV. 3. Child marriages increase the chances of a adolescent girl DYING!!!!!!!!

If the parents are supporting them financially and emotionally, how is that a marriage in Islam. You've just created a life changing covenant just for two kids to have sex. A 14 year old is still growing and changing. Honestly, your whole stance doesn't even add up to me. Nothing will change other than them being married and now being able to have sex. What's the difference between this and 14 year olds who are in "committed " relationships. No 14 year old stays with who they're having sex with at 14.

Whooo are you to dictate anyones morals? Your morals are yours and only yours to uphold. Who are you to say anything about anyones morals? You're as much a sinner in the eyes of God as anyone. Theres no compulsion in the way of life religion brings us. Let's keep humility as muslims.

Looooool. A 14 year old that is having sex will not stay with that person. Like Do you talk to 14 year olds at all ? Honestly, I'm sure you know guys who were fornication at 19. Ask them if they would marry the person they were with? So you want your daughter/son to be divorcing every two months loool so they can now have sex with someone else.

Like I asked Empiree, what would you do if your son tells you hes sleeping with Fatima and you say he needs to marry her and he says no? He tells you, hes not ready to get married. Do you not know 14 year olds Marriage is for matured minds. It takes a lot of self discipline and preservance. Youre acting as if marriage stops anyone from sleeping around... especially an immature child! Why would you want to put your daughter/son through that, because they couldn't control hormonal sexual urges? If your spouse sleeps angry with you, the angels curse you until the morning. Like a 14 year old.

lanrexlan:
Call those who marry underage girls in America Yerima too. Share the title across boards. Why weren't these guys prosecuted too?!

NB: I don't support paedophilia, just exposing your double standards.

Okay. And your point?

They do it too they do it too they do it too. Your point? It doesn't matter If Obama does it too. You should condemn it.

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Sorry that I did not reply this comment earlier. I wanted to nail the paedophile supporting Empiree first.


Talking about slavery, we can see how Empiree is a slave to anti-western propaganda. He would readily accept supporting Paedophilia than to acknowledge the freedom in the west.


Moving on. You very well know that I'm an atheist and I see myself free from the shackles of religion. No matter how much we agree on things, I will always see you as shackled to the chains of religion. A slave to a religion. An Arab religion.

Islam is an Arab religion. Arab prophet. Arabic language and recitals of Arabic Quran. Top clerics are mostly Arab. The holy land is Arab lands. Mecca.

I have told you before that I have dated Muslim girls. While I did love the first girl, I always had it at the back of my mind that I could never commit to Islam. I love freedom and I love flexibility. I hardly eat pork but once in a while, I might feel like. I hardly club and drink, but once in a while, I might feel like.

I am healthy and have never been in any criminal situation. I dont need religion to teach me morals.


Now, let's get to the issue of me being a "slave to white ideology". BABE, I am from Wakanda. I'm the blackest black an African can be. Atheism is not a white thing or a western thing. It is just logical.

Free of the shackles of religion loool. Who freed you. Imagine you calling me a slave. Anyways my "slavery" is not one that is oppressive. I wasn't forced or born into my "slavery". I wasn't sold into my "slavery" and it's not bred out of desperation.
I, myself, a person of sentient mind chose to serve a master who been serving me loool. If you dont have a Master babe that's on you loool.

How is Islam an Arab religion? Stop reading dancing quotes on reddit and Twitter and actually educate yourself. Ah it's not everyday.

Come on. I find it quite annoying when people read things online, don't think about it and because it sounds logical, they repeat it everywhere.

So you mean to tell me that Islam is a solely Arab religion simply because it happened to originate in Arab. Like ... I dont understand, where should it originate that would make it a non-xxxx religion? Pluto? Obviously the Quran is in Arabic, they spoke ...Arabic? If that's the case, my Nigerian friend, I hope you solely use Nigerian products in native Nigerian languages with native Nigerian ingredients made by native Nigerians. Obviously anything outside Nigeria isn't made for you.

Lol okay ? My religion has taught me more than morals and what it has brought to me is more than how to be healthy and avoid a criminal record.

Lol. I'm a slave but you can't be? Athiestism originated from the west. From white people. :O. Look at you loool slave . I actually wasnt talking about your stance in theism when I called you a slave. I meant you saying you wouldn't mind your woman being topless. You detty liar. All Nigerian men would mind their woman being topless.

It's insane to me that people dont believe in a higher power. Theres no logic to it at all. In the slightest. Most athiests are more critical of religion as if the opposite of not believing in God is to be religious. If you just have a simple logical conversation with them, when they cant run to gimmicks or twitter quotes. They actually are very theist. Even if its aliens or the FSM or a simulation they believe in.

Rilwayne001:


If you can allow your wife and mom to go for topless party, what should stop you from allowing your 14year own kid get married?

What will you do if she decides to go out topless?