Empiree:
Case Closed. You have said it all. From your write up i see no difference btw humans on the bone of contention. They are all guilty.


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Chai, I realized what you considered "insult" for calling "you" stupid. I was wondering where I called you stupid. Kindly return to the page and quote me on its entirety. If you read in context I didn't call you stupid. Stupid in that sentence was universal and not specific to you.

Empiree:
not interested in your essay but this. Were you there or you relied on online data?. You said it is prevalent in muslims countries yet Vatican is inundated with child abuses which we read online everyday and heard on the news everyday. Yet, you picked up on muslims to justify your position. Whether it is true or not is none of my business bcus i can't control the situation. And I have personally not met any muslim man who married "underage" girl. I did prove to you earlier that there are false information online displaying little children (girls) who accompany grooms during marriage ceremony. This is culture in some parts of arab world. It is this kind of thing media made up and tell you that muslims married young girls. I posted screenshot saying muslims are allowed to rape young girls but we know for fact it is not true. So this is online nonsense you relied on for saying majority of muslims countries practice pedophilia?. This is pathetic you know.

Empiree:
What did i accuse you of?. You accused me of pedophilia or promoting it when in fact, i am not. Have you apologized for that?

Empiree:
oh no. Address the issue. You called me pedo because you failed to acknowledge my point. This is bcuz you and other fellows probably didn't pass reading test in high school.

Let me use this opportunity to briefly tell since you so failed to get it. What I'm doing is to EXPOSE double standards across the board on the issue of underage whether it happens in the Western world or Nigeria.

My point is you guys tend to quickly accused or object when it comes to muslim but if it involves Western world the only thing you guys would say is, "just because it is done in the US doesn't make it right". Why don't you say the same when it involves Muslims?. You are hardliners when it involves Muslims but "softliner" when it involves Western countries. This is double standards I tried to exposed but you guys freaking misunderstood all the time and I am tired.

Now look at this screenshots. This was the case I talked about earlier. Read yourself. Judge didn't even make any big deal about age. It is their people commenting talking about age.

If you fail to understand my point after this I'm done with you like dinner. More comments like these are still there.

Empiree:
Stop giving me bullcrap excuses. I have said like 3 times in this thread that a guy appeared on Judge Judy with his baby mama and he is much older than his babymama. Judge Judy is very strict especially when it come to money issue. Why not call authority to arrest the guy?. All the cases i cited here the men are not on the run. Again, please go to previous pages and read about a lady who was a yr or two older than her husband on paternity court. Many comments on youtube said why was she not arrested for having sex with underage?. Her boyfriend was 12 at the time they had baby together. Stop your emotional nonsense. Authority would persecutes if it is in their best interest. Again, the lady on paternity court who is older than her husband was not on the run.

Empiree:
Stop giving me bullcrap excuses. I have said like 3 times in this thread that a guy appeared on Judge with his baby mama and he is much older than his babymama. Judge Judy ia very strict especially when it come to money issue. Why not call authority to arrest the guy?. All the cases i cited here the men are not in the run. Again, please go to previous page and read about a lady who was a yr or two older than her husband on paternity court. Many comments on youtube said why was she not arrested for having sex with underage?. Her boyfriend was 12 at the time they had baby together. Stop your emotional nonsense. Authority would persecutes if it is in thier best interest. Again, the lady on paternity court who is older than her husband was not on the run.

Empiree:
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Empiree:
unfortunately she deleted it. You are becoming nasty now. Very nasty. I am taking A, you are saying B. The law will persecute if it in their best interest. I'm not pervert and I don't do nonesense you posted. This is very silly of you. Swear now that they are no 30 yrs old grandma in America?. You said you went there before. Swear they don't exist?.

I provided evidences but you snubbed. Case closed. Go to previous pages, read and learn

Empiree:
madam, when exactly are you gonna read btw the lines?. I am honestly tired of how you reply sometimes. I have never said a grown man married underage in the US. I said and I have given practical examples here several time but you chose to ignore delibrately or not.

I said there are old guy who have impregnated what the law considered underage and the side was never arrested. I didn't say they married. I see you to go to previous pages. If you can't it is fine. Ofcourse, court will not honor a 25 yr old guy marry 13 yr old girl. Every case I cited evolved around baby mama baby daddy. .


Now, bcuz of what you said, I will go to my friend's fb page and screenshot her profile. I didn't want to do that but now I will as long as she hasn't deleted it. She briefly profiled herself back in 2015. Give me time to go and screenshot her page. I will be right back

Empiree:
I showed a NAIRALAND member on WhatsApp about friend of mine who was 14 at the time she had her first child. Outside of wedlock ofcourse. Her baby daddy then was much older. He was over 18 at the time. This lady in question is about my age. At the time she got pregnant, to be honest, I didn't even know what bo*ob was like about the same age.

You forgot that women matured quicker than men 95% of the time. Now, whether she knew what she was doing or not which I believe she was, facts is the dude who got her pregnant should be jailed bcus the lady was minor by law. Now she's 40. Her baby she had then is now 25. The lady became grandma at 36.

Nigerians, I beg una, wake up. The reason you are saying all this is bcuz of Nigeria environment. US doesn't give a flying fvck. There are grandparents at 30yrs old. I am giving you 1st hand experience. But in Nigeria before you see a grandma she's probably 50 or over. It is different in US.

So now tide is charging in Nigeria in the past 17 years. You are now seeing single mothers syndrome. Why?. Because Nigerians are stupid

Empiree:
We really kinda dragged this unnecessarily. Initially I'm not concerned about all this. My concerned was when the constitution says adulthood starts at 18, and children are having sex below 18 and having babies and law does nothing, this includes nija and Western world. I cited many cases and adults involved were not are arrested or persecuted. This is what you guys have overlooked all along.

I further said that US recognized it is impossible to prevent teen pregnancy 100% this is why they have social benefits in place due to 1960s sexual revolution. Not many guys are persecuted for having sex with underage. In case you missed it, I would advise you to go to previous pages and watch videos if you can. Read screenshots and look at screenshot pictures. I provided some details but you people turned this to pedophilia issue. How many pedos Nigeria even persecuted?. None I guess because even in igboland, old men legally married to young ladies.

I also cited a case on Judge Judy where a guy was 25 and his baby mom was 16. Judge Judy made no big deal about it. She only said just because she's big doesn't mean she's 18 and above. That's all she said to the guy. But we have Nigerian local champions online ranting about underage this and that.

However, it is highly likely that a teacher in US who is 25 and having sexual affairs with 16 or 17 year old will be persecuted because her or his profession is too exposed compared to average person out there

So you guys have been missing points all along due to hatred for anything about Muslims especially that gay atheist guy who supports his wife to go out topless and yourself supports this in the name of "right".

Let me ask you a question.


Because you said previously that "there is no universal right or wrong", what if a girl at 15 consents to marry 40 year old man?. Does she knows what she's doing or not?. If you say no she doesn't, how do you determine that?

A for whether what I posted is true with respect to 11 year age of consent, you and I got both information online. There is no difference here. You are only trying to "protect" kids that Nigerian govt doesn't care about

Cheers01:



I'm a slave to no one.

By the way, I'm from Wakanda. I'm neither a slave to Nigeria or white ideology.


As for you......you proudly call yourself a slave to Allah.

Cheers01:



You are a slave. An Arab slave.


No shame though. Some of Muhammad's wives were slaves.


Stop facing Mecca

Cheers01:



Age of consent in Nigeria is 18. Those of us that accepted secular laws have always seen it as 18. Pervert

Empiree:
later gave you rush answer not details. Don't me what a ghost lawyer says. I screenshot what Nigeria constitution says as if 2003. Marriageable age is what your do called lawyer said which is 18. But they can have SEX at 11 according to Nigeria constitution

Empiree:
See bolded, you are just telling me how you feel why i expressed facts on ground. I said before and will say it again. No one in his right mind would support forcing anyone to do something against thier wishes. I also said that it is your opinion to think that a 13yrs old cannot give consent bcus in your opinion she is not capable. I object to this bcus nigeria constitution says 11 is age of consent. So why did you have to called names or advocate pedophilia when your govt already paved way for such?. Didnt your govt know enough that a 13 yr old could or could not give consent before signing that Bill Of Rights?. Do you know better than them?

Empiree:
Who reads this tinin stuff. And who takes nigeria serious when it doesn't respect its own constitution?. Whatever they wrote on this about "children shall not be used" for this and that is ineffective bcus they now have many children being abused in nigeria in forced marriages, sex traffickings, underage marriages etc bcus constitution is complicated. I posted clear cut screenshots. Why did you ignore those?. Are those screenshots not true?.

Let me repeat it bcuz you dont seem to want to comment on that. It says age of consent to involve in sexual activities in nigeria is 11. But marriageable age is 18 which means a girl as young as 11yrs old can have sex all she wants with whomever she wishes as long as it is consensual. As far as i am concerned, let me make myself clear again. I am not given my daughter to grown man old enough to be her father to marry except a guy close to her age even if both of them are 14. Clear?

Empiree:
what difference does it make when the same kids are given licence to have sex at 11?. Maybe you need to watch YouTube video above. The guy and the lady are 14 and 15. What you are saying is abuses which can happen in any form or shape.

Empiree:
okay, we seemed to have digressed long ago. I'm not here to talk about pedophilia. My point on this issue is kids have sex and babies which is now universal epidemic. What solution do you proffer to curb this?.

I gave numerous evidences but you guys failed to give solution. I cited American young kids having babies and Nigerian constitution allowing kids at 11 to have sex but you guys turned the other way and started talking about pedophilia.

Yet you agree there is no universal right or wrong. In that case you have no moral ground to condemn Muslim Man who marries young lady bcuz it is right thing to do according to him.

Abuses however is another topic. Nigerian constitution already abused children by making it legal for 11yr old to start having sex. This opens the door to all kinds of sexual perversion.

Empiree:
later gave you rush answer not details. Don't me what a ghost lawyer says. I screenshot what Nigeria constitution says as if 2003. Marriageable age is what your do called lawyer said which is 18. But they can have SEX at 11 according to Nigeria constitution

Empiree:
how do you know 13 yr old doesn't have mental capacity to give consent?. You are following your whims. Nigeria constitution says age of consent to have sex is 11.

Empiree:
how do you know 13 yr old doesn't have mental capacity to give consent?. You are following your whims. Nigeria constitution says age of consent to have sex is 11.

Empiree:
becareful of your choice of word. You said epidemic which means majority of Muslim men marry young ladies.

Tell us percentage of muslim men who married young ladies in Nigeria?. I am sure it is less than 1%. In that case it is not epidemic.

It is rather a rare case. If you think it is only muslim, then, what do you say of igbo men married to young ladies?.

Even outside Nigeria in Muslim majority countries the percentage is low. It is media that hyped the nonesense for their selfish interest. Some 5 years ago in Palestine, it is their culture during nikkah ceremonies for groom to be accompanied by girl child just like soccer games, young boys accompany soccer players. But media portrayed those little girls as the grooms. We later found out it is a lie. See screenshot.


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See headline again. They changed headline to Muslim men are allowed to rape.

Empiree:


See another double standards. If there is no universal right or wrong, then, those older men who married young girls have the right to do so. You have no right to determine what's right or wrong because they think they are doing the right thing too.

If you can support housewives or even single girls walk around topless, and you see nothing wrong with that, then, what gives you right to condemn older men marrying underage girls if it is mutual?. I am only going you your dose.


Again, let me re-emphasize your position. You said and I quote.


"There is no universal right or wrong. Some people like it that way"


Your massage is clear. Therefore old men who marry young girls also see it that way. You do not have monopoly over right or wrong. Simple.

Empiree:
can you please get over this and answer the question?. If you can't it is fine. You don't need to reply but stop diverting attention with unrelated silly things.

Thanks

Empiree:
can you please get over this and answer the question?. If you can't it is fine. You don't need to reply but stop diverting attention with unrelated silly things.

Thanks

Cheers01:



I am only asking questions. I never said anything about praying on your back.

Also, Qibla is not specific in the Quran. The Quran does not say that one should face mecca. It says to face the Sacred Mosque.

Do you know that the original Qibla was to face Jerusalem when praying? Google it.


Allah never told you to face Mecca. So, in this case, you are not Allah's slave but you are an Arab slave.



Btw, please dont be offended. I actually enjoy debating with you.

Demmzy15:
Read his arguments, he nowhere supported pedophilia. I've objected to him in the past on several issues, he can attest to that fact. But someone saying he would allow his mom, wife and daughter to go topless is the highest and the most stupid stuff I've heard in my entire life. Seriously mind-blowing

Empiree:
You don't need to worry about my approach. I am always disgusted by tactical a diversion of yours. You are reading online essay and concluded somehow that I am "aggressive". How did you know I am when you are not seer?

This is not the first time you used this tactic and it is not gonna work with me. If you want to answer my question kindly do so. If you can't, just say you have no solution.

Empiree:
Bro, so you dont think too?. I asked a question the dude can't answer and you followed his stupidity, too?. Maybe you don't properly follow my posts and i will say it again loud and proud.

Firstall, me and tintingz have debated this issue. He did some research and came back here to say there are double standards with regards to underage marriage. That's why he no longer dispute with me on the issue. As for the other atheist clown, he seems to deliberately misrepresented my point. I asked him a question which he failed to answer. Now, let's look at the definition of pedophilia.


According to online dictionary, pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. See underlined, I didnt advocate this. Point to me where i said that?. What i have been saying is these kids as young as 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 have been having sexual intercourse clearlessly. Many of them are out there have babies. I gave numerous examples by posting videos of related cases. I also posted videos of some older American dudes impregnated underage girls and they aren't arrested for pedophilia or sex with minor. It is sad that Nairaland doesn't allow audio feature. I would have posted many audios and videos without having to upload them first on youtube before posting them here. Or had it been you are on my whatsapp i would have sent you stuff to watch or listen to.


What I said was in a situation where these kids are having sex here and there with anybody, there is no way parents can prevent this 100%. I dont care about so called 'sex education'. That's fraud. United States and other western countries have realized it is unpreventable that's why they have social benefits in case it does happen. This way, mother and her child would be taken care of. Mother gets SNAP, baby gets WIC. So i advocated that you tell you Nigerian govt to work towards this social benefits instead of you screaming "underage" here and there which doesn't help in the least. From what I heard, it is said that under nigerian constitution, 11 yr old girl is old enough to marry. I dont know how true this is.

So my point was in the Western world underage is considered 18 and below or below 18. Yet there are bunch of 14, 15 year olds having babies. So i asked what solution do you guys have to stop this?. That clown talked about sex education and he knows the damn thing is a joke. Solution that i offered was that a 14 year old boy and girl who are sexually active should be married. I posted some details earlier that if my daughter is sexually active, meaning that she's attracted to guys and any moment guy may get her pregnant, I will step up and ask her to bring her boyfriend home to me. I am gonna get to know his family and lay down by rules to them. My most important rule is, are you serious with my daughter or you just wanna "shop and run"?. If I notice he's not serious with her, then, stay the heck out of my baby girl. Keep your friendship in the open and that's it. I am a man. I know what boys are capable of doing. But if he's serious, I work towards engagement and and marriage and In Sha Allah, I will support them financially, morally and emotionally. Marriage doesn't prevent further education. This was my offer but you guys offered nothing but to say "pedophilia". These teens getting married to each other is not definition of pedophilia. Now that i make my point clear, I advise you to please never ever misrepresent my position on this matter. But if you have problems with my preferred remedy, kindly offer yours.


Now, watch this video below and tell me they are pedophila. These are Americans 14 and 15 yrs old. Don't tell me they are hoodlums. They are not. This is a real case like other ones I posted. Again, my point is tell your govt to set up welfare because you can not prevent teens from having sex and having babies. They do have social services but it is immersed with fraud and it is pretty much defunct. Since you guys have been yelling about "underage", what exactly you guys achieved? This is the reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlgOcIMShE

Demmzy15:


Empiree has a right to air his opinion, it doesn't concern me. But yours is plainly stupid and silly. You obviously don't have shame, so you'll allow your mom, wife and daughter go topless? Wooow!!! You must be a proud dayooth, and unfortunately, a man who doesn't have protective jealousy over his women is a pussssy and a joke!