Cheers01:




Does Allah live in Mecca? Is Mecca heaven?

Why face Mecca when praying? Are you worshipping the city? Shirk? Idolatry?

Okay you want me pray laying on my back is it? You must feel a tiny bit silly.

I pray to mecca because I'm asked to? I'm a slave to Allah and He has ordered me to face that direction when I pray so I do? Everyone follows a doctrine and the rules that go along with said doctrine. If your mum tells you to go to specifically yaba market to get some chicken, are you a slave to sellers at yaba market?

Cheers01:


@ bold-
Thank you. Empiree needs to learn to be careful in judging others for their way of life.


Regarding your last sentence, do you face Mecca or Africa when you pray? Checkmate

Mecca. What does that mean? How is it a checkmate? You cant honestly tell me evidence of my slavery is where I face to pray?

Cheers01:



You are a disgrace to your African heritage. You are here bashing Americans for having topless women parade when your own African tradition has many festivals where women go topless.


When I say that black muslims act like Arab slaves, this is an example. You are a Nigerian man that has forgotten his Nigerian culture due to Islam. Be supporting Arab culture that does not have topless parades.


In Rivers, there is the Iria festival where women are topless.

In Yorubaland, especially in Ekiti, women can protest the king topless.


New yam festival in Abia as well has naked women.

As for the north, there is Yoro festival where men are naked and flogged.


You are ignorant of your own heritage. Take it from me, you remain enslaved to Arab culture.


Cc True2god, vedaxcool, tintingz, albaqir, saucyxo, lanrexlan

Eh. I dont think Empiree means it like that. I think sometimes he tries so hard to defend his religion he forgets that he doesn't have to. Everyone is allowed to live life according to the way is best for them. Theres no general right or wrong.

I'm a black muslim and I'm not a slave to any Arab .

Abdulgaffar22:


Yes they did believe in one supreme God in addition to many gods. Hardly do you see any ethnic group without having a name for supreme God. For example, in Yoruba land, Supreme God is called " Olorun or Eledumare". In Hausa land, Supreme God is called "Ubangidi". In Igbo land, Supreme God is called " Chineke". If they didn't believe in any Supreme God, then where did all these names come from ?



Hardly do you see an atheist among the ancient people. It was the theory of evolution that turn many scientists to atheists. Prior to Darwinism, most people believed in supernatural power. So there is no need for the ancient people to distinguish between chaos and disaster. They believed that flooding and earthquake is an handiwork of God or gods.



If Bible says Jesus is God and at same time says Jesus is not God, then that is a contradiction. This prove that Bible cannot be relied upon.

Abraham practiced Islam as follows;
One of the God's will that was revealed to Abraham is "Sacrifice your only son for Me". Since Abraham was able to submit to this very will, he has practiced Islam (i:e submission to God's will). Therefore, Abraham was a Muslim (submitter to the will of God).

Pls prove to us that Abraham was a Christian by showing us any biblical verse that says Abraham believed in the atoning work of Jesus on the cross.

I thought you wanted to have an unbiased logical open minded discussion. Clearly not.

It's okay to be biased. Just dont cover it under the pretense of open minded logic.

NSNA:
What Revolution?

A revolution cannot take place in Nigeria because it is not a nation, but a country of many nations. Revolution often takes place in a nation where the people are united by common descent, history, culture, or language.

Nigeria has many nations, including the Yoruba, Hausa and Fulani, Ibo, Ijaw, Nupe, Tiv, Kanuri, Efik/Ibibio and others. Nigeria, is thus, a multicultural country. The best that can happen is ethnically motivated violence which will finally lead to the dissolution of the country.

Revolution is closely affiliated with a nation and has never happened to a country.

Consider, for instance the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, was a country of four nations, including England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Not once did they ever experience a revolution, but several ethnically motivated rebellion that cumulated in the civil war between Ireland and England in 1922 which led to the Republic of Ireland breaking away from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

After Ireland left the United Kingdom, it was yet another ethnically motivated rebellion in Scotland that led to the introduction of the devolved administrations in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with each having total control of its military, police, court, mineral and natural resources as well as revenue from taxation. They still have separate football teams and different currency designs. They had no revolution because the United Kingdom isn't a nation, but a country of many nations.

Once more, it was because the United Kingdom is a country of many nations that led the Northern Ireland to take up arms, another rebellion, against the England, until the intervention of the United States that eventually led to the Good Friday Agreement, which enables Northern Ireland to govern itself as a self governing region, independent of the Federal Government of the United Kingdom.

The United Kingdom has, consequently, never experienced a revolution because it is not a nation, but a country of many nations. The nations therein were always antagonizing one another until they all adopted regionalism.

However, the opposite is the case with the United States of America. A revolution was possible in the United States because seven people, including the English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and Belgian, left their respective nations in Europe and mass migrated to the United States in order to escape religious and political persecutions in their respective countries.

When these seven immigrants got to the United States, they exterminated the native Americans and adopted among other things Christianity as their preferred religion, English as their language and democracy based on Federalism as their guiding principle of governance. They therefore became a nation of immigrants united by common descent (came from Europe), common history (escaped from religious and political persecutions), the common language (adopted the English language), inhabiting a particular territory - the United States of America. In this example, a revolution was possible in the United States and still remains one after the American revolution of 1776.

Also, the revolution in France became possible because France is not a country, but a nation of French-speaking people united by common descent, history, culture and language. Being a nation, the French revolution of 1789 happened, yet the nation did not split up.

American Revolution (1775-1783); French Revolution (1789-1999); Haitian Revolution by the Yoruba descent (1791-1804); Serbian Revolution (1804-1835); all happened because the people were united by common descent, history, culture and language.

Revolution cannot, therefore, happen in Nigeria because the people do not share common descent, history, culture and language. The Yoruba, the Ibo, the Hausa, the Kanuri, the Ijaw, the Fulani and others have no common descent, history, culture and language. Nigeria is a country of many nations. The worst thing that will happen is another civil war, which will finally break up the country or restructure it back to the regional system.

Whilst no revolution will happen in Nigeria, a revolution is, nevertheless, possible in Yorubaland, Iboland and in the Hausa and Fulani land. These are nations within Nigeria.

The Kiriji war in Yorubaland, which took place in 1878 and lasted for about 16 years, was a revolution in Yorubaland against Ibadan. The revolution was possible because Yorubaland is a nation with a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture and language. After the revolution, Yorubaland still remains one indivisible nation.

It is, therefore, unreasonable for the Yoruba Liberals to be screaming for a revolution in Nigeria. They are acting with the Ibo and Sowore, an Ijaw citizen, to distract the Young Yoruba who desires a return to the regional government or the break up of Nigeria.

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Hello Hi sorry to bother you!

I know you didn't write this lovely piece but I would just like to clear up some small misinformation about Irish history.

The Irish people did not have a revolution against the British. This analysis makes it seem like... Ireland was always a part of the UK and they just chose to rebel. Similar to Nigeria, Ireland is a country that was colonised by the English and they had a war of independence. As lovely as this piece is, it has no relevance to this case. It wasn't a "civil war" it was a war of independence.

Northern Ireland didnt take up war with the UK because it's a country of many nations. Northern Ireland took war with the UK because the Irish people in their own country were being discriminated against. The Good Friday agreement in terms of rebellion gave ancestral Irish people the right to posses either British, Irish or both citizenship. It also states that Irish people would be not treated as foreigners in any British territory.

Abdulgaffar22:


Yes the ancient people believe that there is one supreme God. They were only using small gods as a means of INTERCESSION to reach this supreme God.




Tsunamis, earthquake and others are disasters. They are not chaos. Chaos means irregularity or inconsistency in the physical world. For example, we know that sun rise from the east and set at the west. If the opposite case occur, then that is chaos. But since all the physical laws of the universe remain the same, our physical world is in a perfect order. This shows that one supreme mind (not different minds) is in control


Yes Christians may believe that Jesus is God. But Bible clearly dispute this assertion. For example, consider the following verse from the Bible;

Mark 10:17-18 says as follows ; "Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?” So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”.

If Jesus is God, why did he reject being called “good” and then submit that all goodness belongs only to God?


But I have already explained why Abraham can be called Muslim and why he cannot be called Christian before I brought that verse of Qur'an to buttress my point. See my explanation below;

"one of the God's will that was revealed to Abraham is "Sacrifice your only son for Me". Since Abraham was able to submit to this very will, he has practiced Islam (i:e submission to God's will). Therefore, Abraham was a Muslim (submitter to the will of God). Yet we cannot say Abraham was a Christian because he has lived and died before the arrival of Jesus Christ , the person that make Christianity to be possible ( see John 14:6)."
Before you can become a Christian you must believe that Jesus died for your sins on the cross. Can you show us any biblical verse to prove that Abraham had such believe ?


So it is understable why Abraham was a Muslim and not a Christian even without using any quotation either from the Bible or Qur'an.

No they didn't. They believed there were many gods. A quick Google search will show you right from mesolithic times there was always polytheism. Monotheism is much recent. From ancient Egyptians to the Greeks to the Romans. All intelligent. All polytheists.

Really ? You mean to tell me that you feel the sun rising the opposite direction is chaos but the literal earth separating and spewing fire isn't ? Without modern science and technology, the first people could decipher that the sun rising one way and setting the other was chaos but powerful floods and shaking of the earth isn't? Right....


The same Bible that Jesus says he is equal to God and he is the son of God. Christians believe the Jesus on Earth is the human manifestation of God.

How did he practice Islam ?
Like I said previously, Jesus said in the Bible he was there before Abraham. Hes been there since the beginning of time. The people before Christ were believers. Like the quote I previously included, to Christians, Jesus is God. While on Earth Jesus was simply a human manifestation of God.

Abdulgaffar22:
@Saucyxo

You said : "Where was it made clear prior to all the other prophets that one had to believe in the oneness of God?"

The answer to the question you're asking is right there in my words you quoted above. But let me help you to quote it again;

"Believe in oneness of God (which God has made known to every intelligent human being THROUGH MANY SIGNS IN HIS CREATION)"

Do you really believe in any God ? If you believe in God, then oneness of God can be inferred as follows; if there are many gods controlling our physical world, there will be conflict of will between these gods which would result in chaos. Since our physical world is not in chaos but in perfect order, then there must be one supreme God.


Again you said Islam is not different from Christianity from my analysis. Please read below the qoute from my original post.

"Being a Muslim just depend on submitting to the will of God base on what God has revealed at any particular point in time.

For example, one of the God's will that was revealed to Abraham is "Sacrifice your only son for Me". Since Abraham was able to submit to this very will, he has practiced Islam (i:e submission to God's will). Therefore, Abraham was a Muslim (submitter to the will of God). Yet we cannot say Abraham was a Christian because he has lived and died before the arrival of Jesus Christ, the person that make Christianity to be possible ( see John 14:6).

Qur'an States as follows;

Abraham was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was an upright and devoted Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists (Qur'an 3:67)"

If believing in Muhammad (pbuh) is ABSOLUTELY a necessary condition for any one to become Muslim (submitter to the will of God) as you claimed, then why did Allah call Abraham( who came BEFORE Muhammad) an upright and devoted Muslim in the verse quoted above ?

Can you show us a biblical verse where God or Jesus called Abraham a Christian ?

Believing in Muhammad is only a condition for the PRESENT PEOPLE to become Muslims; not the past. So that verse of Qur'an you quoted only apply to those that witness the arrival of Muhammad and still not believed in him

@bolded. Where did you get that from ? So during the ancient times when people used to worship many gods. They used this exact logic to determine there were many gods.

Since our physical world is not in chaos ? What does that mean ? What's chaos ? I would consider tsunamis and earthquakes and wildfire chaos no? You're making an assumption and then only backing them up with any facts. You're making an assumption, backing them with assumptions and then claiming it makes your assumption correct.
This assumption only applies to people of faith because anyone who doesn't believe would have the Holy Books nullified.

You've completely lost me again with the Abraham story. As a Christian, who believes Jesus is God, when Abraham tried to sacrifice his son he was submitting to Jesus (God). Jesus is God. I'm sure if you're being unbiased here I wouldn't have to explain the concept of the trinity. Jesus said in the Bible that he existed before Abraham.

Just because the Quran states that Abraham is a muslim doesn't make it true. You cant compare two religions and then use one Holy book against the other. If you were to do that then you would have to take what both Books say as the absolute truth. You cant assume one is true and one is not.
In that case, Jesus talks about how he is the first and last and how he is the forgiver of sins and he is equal to God. If you were to take both Books as truth then Abraham worshiped God/Jesus.

Abdulgaffar22:
@Saucyxo

Where did I say I got my premises from Qur'an or Bible ?
Pls did you really comprehend the topic of my post ? My topic says: "the only true faith approved by God for the salvation of humanity"

As you can see from the topic, I have already ASSUMED that God exist and I have already ASSUMED that only one faith is approved by God for salvation of humanity.

If these two assumptions are true, then my premises are perfectly true. However, if you think my premises are still not true even with these two assumptions, then state the reason why they are not true

But if you are having problems with these two assumptions, then let me know

Sorry. I was talking about paragraph two where you justify your assumptions.

You said "Therefore, the MINIMUM requirements for anyone to practice Islam (i:e Submission to will of God) and then become Muslim (i:e Submitter to the will of God) are;
1. Believe in oneness of God (which God has made known to every intelligent human being through many signs in His creation)
2. Submission to the will of God through performance of good deeds and avoidance of bad deeds ( which God has also made known to all human being through their conscience)"

Where was it made clear prior to all the other prophets that one had to believe in the oneness of God? If you're going to assume that the Quran asked the first man, Adam, to Believe in the oneness of Allah then you can make the assumption about the Bible. Unless its explicitly written otherwise.

In that sense, one of the most important pillars of Islam is the Shahadah. Which explicitly asks you to accept Muhammad (SAW) as a messenger. Obviously Muhammad (SAW) wasn't there from the beginning of time. It's really no different from Christianity from your analysis. In fact the Quran explicitly says "Whoever does not believe in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a blaze for the unbelievers."

The bible also says. “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” Abraham was before the time of Jesus and his righteousness got him through.

Abdulgaffar22:
@saucyxo

Premise 3 is NOT a failure to comply to premise 1 and Premise 2. Rather Premise 3 is the analysis of whether all those faiths comply with premise 1 and premise 2 or not

But if you think it is wrong to call that analysis a premise 3, then I agree with you. Thanks for the correction!

That's not an analysis at all. You're assuming premise one and premise two is true. You cant base another premise on your assumption.

Theres no proof premise one or premise two is true. Just because the Quran/Bible says so is not a logical deduction

Really good job!! Congratulations. You look great.

What did you do to lose the weight?

How do people treat you differently now, compared to when you were bigger?

What are some unexpected things that came with weight loss?

If you dont mind me asking.

Abdulgaffar22:
@saucyxo

That is to say Buddhism came from the name Buddha, Hinduism from Hindu, Judaism from Judah, Confucianism from Confucius, Zoroastrianism from Zoroaster etc.

Premise 3;

Since their founders are not the first set of human being on earth, all these faiths could not have been in existence from beginning. Therefore, they all FAILED to conform with Premise 1. Again, all these faiths are not within the reach of every human being. Therefore, they also FAILED to conform with Premise 2.

So premise three is failure to comply to premise one and premise two ?

I thought these were all independent points. The last question is "Please which of the THREE PREMISES explained above is not true ?"
How can you ask that question when Premise three is simply that premise one and two is true.

I'm confused. What is premise three ?

Those religious got their names from their founders (which they didn't) so.... what does that have to do with anything ?

true2god:
The hadith of Bukari is the most valuable document after the Quran. You guys will use the hadith to defend Islam, when it suits you, but will deny the hadith when it doesn't. That's hypocrisy.

TO YOU. Theres no other valuable document to most muslims other than the Quran.

pDudd:


Finally we agree.

No. You gave wrong information out of ignorance but I'm guessing with good intention.

Mental health is a tricky issue. It's best to approach with caution.

pDudd:


Nope. They need to put him on another type and not lower the dose.

I completely agree.

Antidepressants are extremely habit forming and can cause extreme withdrawal symptoms. You cannot stop any antidepressants just like that. Unless you're at a starter dose maybe. The most common antidepressant prescribed are SSRIs and you do not want for stop taking those suddenly. They have very very harmful side effects that are worse than current state.

The only way to stop using an antidepressant is to lower the dose until you stop using it completely. So from a 20mg to a 10mg to a 5mg for a week each. Unless you are at a 5mg already.

pDudd:


I told him to stop taking it and seek medical help immediately. Did you read that part?

I did. I'm sorry but you're wrong. You seek medical help and they'll tell you to lower your dose slowly each week until you stop completely.

I told him to not stop taking without supervision. Did you read that part ? .

pDudd:


Lol. Bad advice. If it is causing suicidal tendencies, and increased anxiety it is advised that he stops.

Lol. If you suddenly stop any antidepressants that cause increased anxiety it will make it 100x worse. It may give you hallucinations, extreme paranoia. Every single doctor will tell you this.

If its giving you suicidal thoughts (which I assumed was due to the anxiety not the medication) and you stop suddenly, it will get 10x worse. That's how antidepressants work. You have to stop slowly.

Hello.

Sorry to bother you all. Thank you for the invaluable information and advice.

I'm wondering if there are any psychiatrists here?

pDudd:


You need an antianxiety drug and possibly a mood stabilizer. Some side effects of antidepressant meds are suicidal thoughts and ideations. Seek help ASAP.

I will advice you to stop taking that antidepressant immediately and seek help.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE STOP TAKING ANY ANTIDEPRESSANTS WITHOUT SUPERVISION!!!!!!!!!

umt13

JeromeBlack:


Cool. I thought you left nairaland.


Keep safe

Thanks.

I hope you've been nice to my muslim brothers and sisters.

JeromeBlack:



Where are you?

In my house.

budaatum:

I don't believe in a higher being because I know of a higher being. One does not believe things one knows, a la no one believes their mother is their mother because they know who their mother is.

There is also the psychology of belief in a higher being, as in how belief in higher beings influences and motivates, which anyone can study and learn to understand others and influence oneself if one so desires.


Some believe believing is the foundation of the Christian religion and cannot accept that one would and could rather know. I find there is a difference in believing the Lord is one's Shepherd and knowing the Lord is one's Shepherd. Its a distinction I'm slowly presenting here.


No one physically slaps me but on here people tend to electronically slap a lot with insults. If I engage in slapping back, I would be talking crap which is what slappers do, so I stick to not slapping and turn the other cheek when slapped because I see the merit in turning the other cheek which is, not rudely talking crap. But as I said, I fail a lot, but trying at least means I don't go about slapping people first.


I love curious! It shows you check the evidence and don't just form opinions on scanty perusal of the evidence .

Okay. Thank you for answering.

budaatum:

I did not go to "believing". That part of my atheism is very intact. 'Understanding', best describes what I went to, and not so much of "higher being" but the texts on "higher being".

I am not a Christian, some wouldn't have me. And I often fail woefully to follow the turn the other cheek bits though I try harder and not just abandoned it because even trying has immense reward.

My theology requires that I understand and lead myself and not that I believe or follow anything. My "higher being" does not enslave me, it frees and empowers me instead.

You don't believe in a higher being. You understand what other people who believe in a higher being believe ?

Some wouldn't have you?

Mhm. Why then do you try to turn the other cheek?

Sorry for all my questions. Feel free to ignore me. I'm just curious.

budaatum:

My conversion was more a change of where I stood as opposed to an abandonment of old and adoption of new. A realisation of the meaning and its implication is what made me convert. I chose to see things differently. It's complex.


I don't feel anyone should not follow all the parts of their religion, though, saying that, if a religion gets close to the edge of bashing baby heads on rocks, I'd strongly object. Everyone follows their religion as they see fit, is what I find, whether I like it or not. And thankfully, they tend to abandon the archaic bits over time.

Hm. You were an atheist? You went from not believing in a higher being at all to believing in Jesus. That sounds like a pretty hefty abandonment to me. Interesting.

So what parts of Christianity have you abandoned/have a hard time following? I assume they dont ask you to bash babies heads... even adults

budaatum:
As a recent convert to Jesus, having been a studying atheist all my life, I can safely say that it is a misunderstanding that one must submit to God as if God were a prison officer. In fact, even if God were a prison officer, Jesus gives one the key of salvation from bondage so it is oxymoronic for one to feel the need to submit, a word I think you get from Islam but which becomes 'believe', in Christianity. The funny bit, however, is the "hard parts of your religion that you don't understand", which is likely 70-80% of one's religion, if not a whole lot more.

One does not need to follow all the parts of one's religion. Some parts (stone apostates, condemn gays, love your neighbour) are not followable because we now know better or are incapable of following them. A Christian would therefore invoke Grace.

Convert to Jesus? What does that mean? What made you convert if I may ask?

Really? You feel one doesnt need to follow all parts of their religion? Hmm. To be honest, I think those parts are out of context really. But what we can do, you dont feel we need to follow them all?

Empiree:
why did you insinuate @bold?.


As for asking him about his job, I actually asked sincerely out of curiosity.

I would assume nairaland is a chill place for people to wind down and express their views. You just take it so personally, especially since it's such a faceless forum. Plus, your tone can be a little mean.
Judging solely from here, if I made a mistake and you were my dad, I'd rather die than tell you.

Empiree:
my job is not hidden here only if you could noticed. I work in medical field and I am also private real estate investor.

How many kids I have is personal to me. I think I said that earlier

Lol I'm not going to go searching to find what you do for a living. When I'm not a stalker.

Awh do you actually have kids? Are you a strict dad? I'd be so scared to be your daughter tbh

JeromeBlack:



Are you ready to work in Nigeria?

Working in Nigeria changes you. I came with a British mentality of focusing on the job and being nice to colleagues.

False. The Nigerian sees niceness as a weakness. Many are used to abuse. You are only a leader if you dominate them.

Your European mentality will not work here

Ah lol I'm a naija babe oo abeg

I'm not a leader. I'm not there to dominate anyone na.

Which European mentality ?
Omo naija ni mi
Naija lo bi mi si
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