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mukina2:
Sharon
you wish. we are in control of the game

Nigeria were in control of the game when they lost to Ghana 2 years ago.

make dem cabinda rebels nor enter sha

liff eboue alone, right now Yaya is my loffer

Eboue is not ready for action at all.
He misses London whores.

shioorr burkinabe wan try score abi, not dia
why noww thats not offside@!!!

Burkina will score soon. . . . . .They are growing in confidence.

mukina2:
Sharon sharap he didnt
can you please post on topic

So Drogba diving to win a penalty is OFF-topic?
If i whoze your freetown face!!!

Yaya is threemuch jare

Bakare Kone nice shot.

we gast win by fox

Burkina will nick a point here today.
They are managed by Mourinho Of Africa. . . . This manager has taken Burkina Faso from 110th FIFA ranking to 46th in his short spell there.
Yaya Toure will cry after this match.

chei see The great Eboue

Your loffer.

Drogba dived. . . . . .Rubbish player.

Eboue is starting. . . . . .It's about time we hear Eboue's British accent.

debosky:
The year end for the accounts is June 30th. SIMPLE.  Any other arguments are moronic.

It isn't
If it is. . . . .There's no way United woulda made £80.7 milla on player transfer profit.

We acquired Berba + Tosic + Obertan + Valencia. . . . .We sold Ronaldo and Fraizer Campbell
How did they arrive at £80.7 milla profit, Prof. Debosky?

I repeat, get some perspective.
Once the accounts become available @ the Companies house, i will print them here and you will see the difference.

Make i go watch Eboue and Gervinho

duduspace:
Okay Sauron, please explain the bottomless pit the 80m disappeared into. What have yu done with it? Adem Ljajic a Serbian under 19 who played in the Euro U19s could not get a Work permit but Mame Biram Diouf a Senegalese (who we in Africa didn't know until now) was able to get one. Even yu must perceive the fishy smell in this.

Mame Diouf satisfied all the requirements to cop a work-permit.
1) He has played for Senegalese national team.
2) He's been playing in Molde(Norway). . . .EU country for many years a la Mikel Obi.

Adem Llajic has never played for Serbia. . . . .Has never played in any EU country. . . . .He doesnt even come from any EU country.
As you can see, he had no grounds to cop a UK work-permit so whatz the point?

debosky:
Do you need another lesson in arithmetic?

Ok - deduct the pre-tax profits from the revenue and see what figure you come up with.

Why? There are various indices missing from the statement of account.
It is not thorough.

Don't be dyslexic - follow the line of argument - what i was referring to was the amortisation, depreciation and interest payments  - there is relatively little difference between 08 and 09.

What about the group turnover? It does not count?
The amortisation, depreciation and interest payments you are ranting about still showed a significance difference of £10.9 million.
U mean that is not chunky enough?

No - the PIK notes worth £175m, though owed by RFJV (tied to the Glazer's own assets) but NOT owed by the football club are not stated in the accounts - only a novice would claim otherwise

Stop spreading chaff, Debosky.
Group account is different from Man Utd's own account.
I have proven this time n time again. . . . . . . .There's no sense lumping the two together.
United were not owing a dime before the takeover. . . . . . .RFJV's operating income started with £800 million(debt).

How in the name of Zeus do you expect United's profit in the last 5 years to wipe off £800 million debt + the ridiculous interest payments?
Get some perspective na.

Do you understand implicit statements at all? Again follow the line of argument - without player profits, there would be no profit to talk about AFTER depreciation and amortisation are accounted for.

The statement of account is premature, Debosky.
Stop talking like an amateur.

Again, stop telling fibs - this covers results up till JUNE 2009. That means anything from the last full year (since June 2008) is captured in this result.

You are a disgrace. . . . . .No company's statement of account is released in January.
Financial year effectively ends in March/April. What kinda auditing bullshit did you study?
June 2008 - June 2009 woulda included Berbatov and Tosic's acquisition, you doofus.
It woulda also included the trip to Japan and other competitions like UEFA super cup and reh reh reh.

debosky:
A quick persual of the release has shown the following:

Utd's expenditure was £187.2m in 09, versus £175.8m in 08, an increase of £12m (my quick arithmetic lesson for Sharon wasn't far off the mark )

so slightly higher expenditure wiped out at least half of the profit came from the additional revenue of £22m.

Where did you get these values of £187.2m and £175.8 million expenditure in 2009 and 2008 respectively?
Let us see an official statement backing this.

Everything else is more or less identical to 2008, the depreciation and amortisation figures are comparable and there is no difference there.

A difference of £43.2 million is more or less identical?
Debosky, how much do you make per annum?

Interest payments reduced in 2009 compared to 08, because the debt tied to Utd (which Sharon denied was on Utd's balance sheet) reduced from £518m to £509m. This is how much MUFC is liable for i.e. if it fails to pay, assets can be sold to recover this amount.

How does this affect the price of fish?
Don't lump GROUP accounts with Man Utd' account.
Group = RFJV + Man Utd.

The only material difference on the balance sheet aside from the growth in revenue (wiped out by increased costs) is the massive growth in profits from player transfers from 21m to 80m.

Group turnover increased by £43.2 million. That is a chunky difference unless you are Abu Dhabi's heir(which i strongly doubt).

In essence, since costs increased at Utd during the year and profits only grew by £11m, Utd was heading for another loss before the sale of Ronaldo bailed out their balance sheet.

Debosky, you don't guess in accounting.
Provide the links that say United's running costs increased.

Utd had no underlying profit aside from player transfers after paying interest, depreciation and others. If something drastic doesn't happen this year (massive reduction in debt payments or massive increase in pre tax profits to about £120m or at least £40m on player transfers ) Utd will return to loss making in 2010.

No profit aside from player transfers?
DEBOSKY??

I can't wait for the authentic statement of the financial year(May 2009 - April 2010).
This statement is premature as it covers what happened only in 2009(Jan 2009-Jan 2010).
May 2009-April 2010 will provide the real picture.

debosky:
Of course it does - unless the profit/loss made on players is EXCLUDED from group accounts. Is it?

It was excluded.

It has everything to do with it - let's assume that aside from Ronaldo everything this season was the same as previous, meaning Utd would make a loss of 21m, but made a profit of 48m. Do the math

Excluding Ronaldo, United upped the ante in the gate takings, media revenue and commercial revenue and the group operating profit(BDA)
There's no way Ronaldo's fees would come to play without the club netting the best part of £120 million.
Once again, the British media are taking y'all for a ride.

-21 + 80 = 59m

Factor in increases in wages, bonuses and so on gives another 11m

59-11 = 48.

That's a quick lesson in arithmetic.

You are a quack accountant.
If you practise, you will go to Prison.

funkybaby:
there is more to life and relationship than a 9inches long prick and steamy love.making sessions. 

Na lie jare. . . . . . Women want it BIG.

debosky:
Did the players cost £80m? 

They didn't(United spent about £20 million). . . . .Profit/loss made on players transfer has nothing to do with group's profit/loss account.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the pre-tax profit. [b]If it didn't have anything to do with it, Utd's profit should've been in the region of £100m+ to reflect the 'one-off' extra profit from selling Ronaldo. [/b]Since such a large (300%) increase in player transfer profits didn't significantly improve your pre-tax profits, something is eating up that profit. . . .

The group made a loss of £21.4 million last year.
This is the official statement of account. . . http://dps.twiihosting.net/manutd/doc/content/doc_10_602.pdf
Look at it and tell me Ronaldo's £80 million one off payment had anything to do with it.
After all, you did auditing/accounting.

duduspace:
I admit I don't hold any accounting qualification but the results speak for themselves when a club is raising 500million from bonds to pay off debts while the other is paying down a loan from 133million to 49 million without resorting to bonds. We all know who is likely to be having cash flow problems very soon.

Cash flow? U saw United's revenue and you still think they will have cash flow problems?
Raising the bonds became an emergency because of UEFA not because the club is suddenly running out of cash.
Roman had to dip into his own pockets to bail Chelsea out. . . .same as Abu Dhabi for Citeh. Those clubs did not generate their profits to pay their debts. Matter of fact, Chelsea have not recorded any profit since Roman took over in 2003.

Remember Adem Ljajic? 

United backed out of the deal because he couldn't secure his work permit.
I remember United had paid part of his fees when Tosic joined last season.

Just wait until yu see our results for this year.

Arsenal can never match United's revenue.

debosky:
Something is seriously happening at Utd that isn't obvious.

Despite INCREASING revenue by £22m AND Ronaldo's sale of £80m, the profit was only £48m, not much higher than the previous year.

If you can only increase your overall profits despite increasing revenue by £102m, you either are increasing costs insanely or you have a serious hole to plug in your accounts.

Debosky, stop chatting poppycocks. . . . .

Firstly, United bought players in the transfer window, didn't they?
Secondly, i am not sure Ronaldo's sale had anything to do with the pre-tax profit. . . . .
That is just the media doing their normal hogwash. I have seen the statement meself.

duduspace:
Sauron come explain this o, yu're always quick to tell us Manure has no financial wahala, why then do you need to raise bonds?  
All the clubs that have engaged in financial doping are being outed one after the other and Manure is now adding £500million to its gbese.

Read between the lines. . . . . . . United are raising bonds to reduce the debt because of an imminent clampdown on club owners by UEFA/FIFA.
Citeh and Chelsea have converted their own debt into equity and the Glazers must raise bonds to take care of the existing debt.

United are still in a higher plane. Something i cannot say about Wenger and his rubbish football club.
Let it be known that the Glazers have not spent a dime on Man Utd cos the club is self-reliant. Citeh and Chelsea had to rely on their owners to bail them out as the football clubs cannot sustain itself.

See the difference?

Man Utd Announced Pre-Tax Profit Of £48.2 million

Group turnover
2009: £278.5m.
2008: £256.2m.

Matchday revenue
2009: £108.8m.
2008: £101.5m.

Media revenue
2009: £99.7m.
2008: £90.7m.

Commercial revenue
2009: £70m.
2008: £64m.

Group operating profit before depreciation and amortisation of players' registrations and goodwill
2009: £91.3m.
2008: £80.4m.

Net interest payable
2009: (£41.9m).
2008: (£45.5m).

Profit on player transfers
2009: £80.7m.
2008: £21.8m.

Debosky, IN YOUR FACE.
Matchday revenue in 2009 did better than 2008 despite your prediction of gloom and doom that no one watches Man Utd and reh reh reh.
Just look at those figures and tell me United ain't a goose that lays golden eggs.

nateevs:
This is the hallmark of your pages of points? This is at best empty. Why don't you do us a favour by telling us what exactly it is he does. Please say it. I have given you highlights of what Steve is and what Frank is not and I am going to repost my points just so you can see. My points make more sense than your littany of bullsh.it. It's empty.

Gerrard is not even a midfielder. . . . . .He is now a 2nd striker.
Comparing Gerrard to Lampard is like comparing Rooney to Lampard. . . . . .

Gerrard's positional discipline is atrocious.
In a 2-man midfield, Carrick and Fletcher are better than Gerrard. He is the main reason Liverpool have not won the Premiership.

Lampard shytes on Gerrard everyday of the week.

Ibime:
Lemme let you into a little secret. . . . in the past 4 seasons, these 4 midfielders are always top of (a) no of passes and (b) accuracy of passes. . . . do not be surprised:

(1.) Denilson
(2.) Xabi Alonso
(3.) Fabregas
(4.) Lampard

This actually proves Ibime is not only a blind observer but a charlatan when it comes to analysing English football.
Paul Scholes defecates on the names above in the no of passes/accuracy of passes PER minute played in the Premiership.
Who is Cesc, Denilson or Lampard compared to the Ginger-man?

dayokanu:
We all know how lazy berbatov is, The fact that he strolled 2000meters in 90 minutes added to the distance he covered to and from dressing room. Shows what a disaster Man utd has on their hand.

I already said you ought to be a stark illiterate to believe it.
In the history of Pro Zone stats(an outfield player [/b]has NEVER done less than 8km while playing for 90 mins).

Better sell him to Akwa Stars.

He is valuable to the greatest living manager in the world.

Podolski made the Euro 2008 team of the tournament,

And he has no club career. . . . . .

What has Berbasulk been doing in all the 28years of his existence

Highest goal scorer in Bulgaria.
EPL title, CC, CWC, etc.

Rummenigge voted Podolski? Are you drunk already? The media and coaches voted Poldi. Where does Rummenigge come into it.

Matthaus manipulated the scheme. He brought Ronaldo's behaviour into play.
The hypocrisy robbed Ronaldo off valuable points for the Rooney spat. It's the 8th wonder of the world how Zidane's behaviour was not brought into play after physically assaulting Materazzi and still won the player of that tournament.

[b]Germany legend Lothar Matthaus, who is patron of the award, added: "You will never have 100% fair play and maybe looking at Cristiano he was obviously doing something here.

"He accumulated a couple of minus points due to his gesture with Rooney but you sometimes forget what the laws are in the heat of the fight."

0hsisi:
no2a, it's not a big deal now
Uche was just kidding
what kind of conscience do you have that won't let you rest?

Don't mind the pretender. Conscience this, conscience that.
It's people like him that become the Jeffrey Dahmers of this world.

dayokanu:
Podolski was voted young player of the tournament at the world cup. If you dont know now you know

By Karl-Heinz Rummenigge. . . . . .
Fradulent Nazis.

SAF will vote Welbeck as the best young player in a tournament if he had the chance.
Arsene Wenger will vote Traore as the best young player in the world if he presided over the poll.

0hsisi:
na question I dey ask na
maybe I really do look younger or that was a good picture that shaved off some years if Sauron says I look 30
But we do have good genes.
My mom looks much younger than women her age and everybody says so

TBF, i have seen many teenage babes on this forum that look older than you do in that picture.

dayokanu:
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1077605/Manchester-Uniteds-Spurs-striker-Dimitar-Berbatov-accused-lazy-Bulgar.html#ixzz0cGsKQMQh

A big exaggeration.
That a manager said so does not mean it actually happened.

We should also believe Fergie when he said Pat Rice(Arsene Wenger's deputy) can play for the Arses so they can rest their BIG players?
How a graduate can believe a player ran 2000m in a 90-minute game beats me.

dayokanu:
Berbatov should be the worst player to wear a red man utd shirt, A player that was criticised by his owns country's FA that he strolled 2000m for National team. Poldi has never been critised in a German shirt.

It's a big lie. . . . . . .There's no way a player can do less than 10,000m in a 90 mins run-out.
Stop talking like a stark illiterate. Even goalies do 8,000m by just running around the box to pick long balls, etc.

Poldi proved himself at the world cup the bigest football competition in the world Berbasuck cant even do that.

How did he prove himself?
At the world cup, Messi + Ronaldo + Valencia were better young players than Poldi.
Poldi is shit at football. Lil wonder, Bayern sold his ass to Koln.

Donovan was described by Nerliger as not worthy of playing in bayerns second team.

Bayern Munich are clueless, aren't they?
When was the last time they played in the UCL semis, never mind final.

0hsisi:
You should have seen me in my hay days?
I stopped traffic at Ogbete market
Infact the day I was delivered,  awusa left awka and the civil war ended

This Osisi na clown.

Where is Ogbete market? Is it near Stilly's house in the East?

Uche2nna:
Not surprised that Osisi is a dame and Mr Osisi is one lucky dude.

U should share your secret with some NL girls  

Akpu and Oha soup with palm-wine to wash it down.
Osisi can NEVER be 40. At best, she is 30.

0hsisi:
I just turned 40
that's why I've been avoiding this place
too old to be here

Forty? Abeg, you must be kidding jor.
How can you be 40?

If you are 40, then i am 39.

0hsisi:
Pray you look that good when you're as old as me
lol

Osisi looks 15.

dayokanu:
Just the way you console yourself about Berbatovs international record,

On the international stage Podolski is better than all ENglish strikers since Alan Shearer.

What has Berbatov gotta do with this?
U said Donovan was the worst to have ever signed for Bayern and i corrected you it was Podolski. . . . .How's he doing in Koln now?

Berbatov has proven himself already in Bundesliga and in the EPL.
Podolski hasn't proven nada in any league. He was a monumental failure for Bayern Munich. . . .I doubt he would go to the WC.

Pweety4me:
[sub] ^Ahahah wat thing?egbami ooo. . .

Do your grinding.

stillwater:
^^ I couldn't still see the face o.

That was deliberate from Ohsisi.

0hsisi:
I wasn't as robust back then ah
ah ah
na pikins them and age plus spermatozoa  do me like that

Stop taking it orally then.
It's obvious it's not good for your HEALTH.

dayokanu:
Donovan in his loan move was declared the worst player ever to sign for Bayern and was one of the reasons klinsman lost his job.
He is also on loan in England

I think Podolski is the worst player ever to sign for Bayern.
He is useless beyond useless.

0hsisi:
Sauron na me o
Old mama
na me be that big woman there o

Mr Osisi is a good hunter o.
He found a robust meat and shot cupid darts at it.

0hsisi:
Finally I have my picture on my profile for a limited time

Osisi, na you be that?
You look 17!!!!  Are you sure that is you?

Sagamite:
Aah, this one is different. She wants me to pump all night.

E no know say na blood dey flow for my veins, no be engine oil.

I rest me case.

Pweety4me:
Hehe plse don't mind him jare. . .

Do your thing.

Kunbee:
Iyama

What is Iyama?