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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 7:43pm On Apr 19, 2010
duduspace:
Of course, you kept on buying big, we haven't we are bringing a larger contingent of youngsters through and we are also buying them at younger ages.
We make money, we spend it and we win trophies.
Arsenal make money, they do spend it and they don't win trophies.

Yep, good career move for Ashley Cole, Gallas also won trophies with Chelsea. So its not about the player but about the club and its spending.
How old exactly? the core of the youngsters bought at that time are still in their early 20s. We will improve the squad in the transfer market but the core of the team will still be our youngsters who came through.
Arshavin(29)
Almunia(32)
Eduardo(27)
Rosicky(29)
Van Persie(26)
Gallas(32)
Sagna(27)

Young players indeed.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 7:34pm On Apr 19, 2010
dayokanu:
wenGAY want his people to belive Arsenal was paid by Dimano to et Eduardo yet the man who got the money said its 24m
That is how he's been lying with his transfer fees for ages.
It was the WAGE BILL of 2006/7 done by Deloitte that exposed Wenger's secrets.
He pays those useless players large sums of money per week.

The difference between our wage bill and theirs is insignificant.
Yet you wonder how Arsenal spend so much and they don't have Ronaldo, Rooney, Rio, Berbatov, Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 7:28pm On Apr 19, 2010
dayokanu:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/jul/02/newsstory.arsenal

Slim shady do you see how your ignorance has been shown in the public?

Wenger can lie all he wants but the guy who received the cash said he received 24m, While wenGAY keeps teling y;all that he did the transfer for 50 cedis
I remember providing this evidence to Debosky some years ago. . . . .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 7:20pm On Apr 19, 2010
duduspace:
And of course, you didn't win the PL for 3 years when you did that and also fell out of the UCL in the group stages while the likes of CR7 and Rooney gained experience.
During that drought of 3 years, we won the FA cup and a Carling Cup to boot!
You have won nowt for 5 years. . . .FIVE FREAKING YEARS. shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

We paid nothing for Gallas, he was swapped for Ashley Cole and 5m (if yu've forgotten) while we got Rosicky for 6.5m, its no use going into the individual details, the net sum speaks for itself. And those figures are from Sky who are known to be anti Arsenal if anything. You still outspent us by a clear 100+m
You lost a talent of 25 milla swapping Ashley Cole for Gallas. The dumbest piece of transfer ever by the moronic Wenger.
Cole has won titles for Chelsea since then, what has Gallas won?

Its irrelevant why they spent so much money, you can't spend what you don't have (or was given them by Abramovic). Those values from Sky are Net spends.
Keep making dud excuses as to why Wenger has fallen off. . . .
He's useless beyond useless. Years ago, he used age as his excuses.
Thank God, his babies are now grown-ups(that excuse has been dropped), he has now turned to using NET SPEND as his excuse.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread! We Are The Red Devils! by Sauron1: 7:11pm On Apr 19, 2010
Emperoh:
Every and anything to make Berbatov look exceptional!!
Two seasons are enough for any good player to make his mark. . . . .I can bet my life that if Rooney leave United this summer,
Fergie won't have the balls to build his team around Berbatov
If Fergie won't build his team around Berbatov then it's hugely moronic for any fan to expect Berbatov to score 30+ goals per season.
It's as simple as that. Tevez is enjoying himself in Citeh where he's calling the shots and their god.
The penalty-kicks, the free-kicks are now Tevez's responsibility - a role he can never cop at Man Utd and when he scores from such situations, fans rant Tevez has scored Bleep goals and Berba hasn't. . . .

Get some perspective, will ya?

Emperoh:

Skills and intelligent passes are not goals. . . . .missing sitters and blasting taps in over the bar are still not intelligent passes
So what is our brother Sauron driving at? That all United Mid-fielders are shyte innit? The same person that ran amock on this thread to prove to the whole nairaland community that Fletcher was the best midfield assassin in Europe bar none? The Devil is now in heaven!!!!! shocked shocked shocked shocked
U can run a midfield in several ways---Fletcher is a destroyer, he's not a creative midfielder like Cesc, Lampard, etc.
Fletcher's strength of breaking up play does not make Berbatov a better player. He needs a creative player to function properly.

Emperoh:

All of a sudden they became shyte and powerless. . . . .cos they are not 'intelligent' enough to understand Berba?
My eye has seen my ear!!! We even had an argument here and i can remember Sauron saying Carrick was better than Steven Gerard.
People hypocrisy has got a new name. . . . . . . . .Sauron!! Oga, u musn't paint everything black to win an argument!!
U contradict urself a whole lot!!!!
Stop these brain-farts of yours.
We had an argument where i said Carrick was better than Gerrard(based on their CURRENT FORM) as at then.
This season, Carrick has been shyte and he's so shyte these days he has not even kicked a ball for United in the past 2 games or so.

Emperoh:

Think again man. . . . . . Berba at Spurs was averagely as effective . . .  . . . . .one would then think that coming to United were he has more World class effective players around would help him grow his game. But for where. . . . .I can also bet me salary that Tevez if he were here would have done better as a lone striker than Berbatov. . . . . .not being the same kinda player is not an excuse.
Berbatov was their god in SPURS.
He takes their penalty-kicks, he scored freekicks for SPURS. The responsibility falls on his shoulder.
Martin Jol built the team around him with ball-playing midfielders and an intelligent strike partner in Robbie Keane.

U keep ranting about Tevez, he scored 5 league goals last season with all his prowess.
I remember the season Tevez arrived in United. . . .Ronaldo saw RED against Pompey and Wazza had broken his metatarsal.
Tevez was given the role to lead the line against Eriksson's Citeh, United were beaten like babies and Micah Richards made Tevez look like a twunt!
The return leg at OT was the same story----Rooney missed the match, Tevez couldn't lead the line and United were beaten at OT.

Emperoh:

Kanu is slower than Berba but we know how deadly he can be in his hey days!!!
Kanu has only scored 12 league goals ONCE in his entire football career spanning almost 20 years.
Try another lie. grin

Emperoh:

Conclusion, Berbatov is not United standard. . . even if u build a gel making factory for him in the 18yard box, he won't stay and score!!!
Case closed. . . . . . . .Fergie should sell the dude to Bayern or fuckev'r and buy me a pidgeon abeg!!!! tongue tongue tongue
And yet he's United's 2nd top scorer this season.
I laugh in Urhobo. . . . . . .Berbatov is more United standard than 90% of our players.
He's outscored Anelka, Bellamy, Jerome, Kuyt, etc and this is the same Berba that's playing with a knee injury that requires surgery and hasn't scored a goal directly from a set-play.

Emperoh, go to bed and hug your bible.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 6:49pm On Apr 19, 2010
duduspace:
What of Rooney and CR7 you bought before then? in 2004 for 25m and CR7 too? besides you always had a competitive squad even before then anyway, it was not like we were winning the league every year and you lot somewhere mid table, you even had a better academy prior to Arsene's arrival and were always more attractive to young and upcoming players prior to the 90 minute rule.
CR7 was bought in 2003 for 12 million------United had sold Veron(15 milla) and Beckham at 25 milla before Ronaldo was bought.
In 2004, United paid 27 milla for Rooney. . . . .The account still balanced.
We sold 40 milla, we spent 39 milla. grin

The point is we stopped spending (both in transfers and wages) while you lot continued. Changes in spending patterns are not that immediately reflected as there are existing contracts to be wound up.
Stopped spending?
The difference is United spent on productive players whilst Wenger continued buying duds.
Buying Vidic and Evra was a masterstroke for Fergie while Wenger bought an erratic Gallas and a spineless Rosicky.

That is why Chelsea had to spend more because they had to meet up first, have a bedding in period and then compete., only they've not been smart enough to freshen up their squad.
Chelsea spent more cos they did massive clear-outs.
Zola, Ed Goey, Babayaro, Melchiot, Hasselbaink, Zenden, Scott Parker, Forssell, Mutu, Gronkjaer all went out and they had to replace them.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 6:35pm On Apr 19, 2010
chic2pimp:
I checked it out and you are right the difference was a paltry £3M.
So is 3 million enough excuse for Wenger not to have won the league?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 6:28pm On Apr 19, 2010
duduspace:
Signings nko? was that not the season you got Carrick for over 18m?
That was the only player we bought that season. . . .

We sold Tim Howard(4 milla), David Jones(1 million), Mikel Obi(12 milla) and Van Nistelrooy(11 milla)
So what are you talking about? We spent 18, we made 28 milla and still won the league.

Ibime:
Check the facts . . . .Aston Villa made £43m loss last season.
What is their wage bill in comparison to Arsenal?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 6:19pm On Apr 19, 2010
chic2pimp:
As far as I know Man united has always had the  bigger wage bill  but Wengay never saw it as an excuse cuz y'all where winning trophies back then.
Don't be deceived.

As at 2006/7, Man Utd's wage bill was £92.3m compared to Arsenal's £89.7m
The difference is less than £3m and yet United won the title that season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 6:07pm On Apr 19, 2010
slimshay:
And one of the requirements to be a donkey is to be a able to pull numbers outta your backside!!!
Walcott was 12 milla------Same price United paid for Cristiano Ronaldo
Eduardo was 16 milla-----Sunderland paid 10 milla for Darren Bent
Vermaelen was 10 milla-----Vidic cost 7 million.
Nasri was 16 milla-------Malouda was 13 milla.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 5:53pm On Apr 19, 2010
chic2pimp:
Wengay is a smart dude, Infact he has Gunners wrapped around his little fingers.
He keeps using the same excuses over and over again and they are now starting to wear out.
I willing to bet his job is more secure than that of SAF'S(and we all know Fergie is pretty much unsackable)
He has gooners wrapped around his fingers because gooners themselves are retards.
They know nowt about accounting and Wenger being an economist knows how to pull the wool over their eyes.

P:S Can Someone Pls  Tell Me What Arsenal's Wage Bill was During the Times of Henry, Vieira, Campbell,Pires and Co.
I'd Like to Compare the 2003/2004 wage bill to the present Day
NET SPEND

01/02>>>>>>>>>>>£10,976,000(EPL + FA Cup)
02/03>>>>>>>>>>>£890,000(FA Cup)

03/04>>>>>>>>>>>£16,650,000(EPL+ Community Shield)
04/05>>>>>>>>>>>£1,600,000(FA Cup)

05/06>>>>>>>>>>>£6,780,000(won nothing)
---------------------------(MOVED TO THE EMIRATES)
06/07>>>>>>>>>>> -£17,000,000(won nothing)

07/08>>>>>>>>>>>£13,400,000(won nothing)
08/09>>>>>>>>>>>-£50,000(won nothing)

09/10>>>>>>>>>>>-£31,000,000(won nothing)


Arsene Wenger has no excuse. . . . . .
He had -£31,000,000 to work with but Man Utd had -£56,500,000 to work with this season and SAF has already won a trophy and possibly a league title is on it's way.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 5:18pm On Apr 19, 2010
chic2pimp:
I guess this is what happens when your team has not won a meaningful Trophy in quite a while now.
Or when did teams start basing their sucess on Net spend and what not? undecided
I wonder o.
Nothing was said about their outrageous wage bill that is almost the same amount as Man Utd's.
Wenger woke up this morning to give excuses about money he does not have and reh reh reh.

Mind you, watching a league game @ the Emirates costs more than watching a football game anywhere on the planet.
What is eating their revenue?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread! We Are The Red Devils! by Sauron1: 5:07pm On Apr 19, 2010
dayokanu:
The same midfield that played 2 CL finals and won 3 EPL back to back or what has changed?
Scholes grew older
Giggs grew older
Hargreaves/Anderson got crocked.

We still rely on those veterans to pull us out of trouble in big games - which says a lot about the midfield we currently have.
Everton have a better midfield.
SAF knows he must sort that midfield this summer.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 5:05pm On Apr 19, 2010
duduspace:
Why is portsmouth being relegated and going into administration?
Portsmouth are a smaller club than Arsenal.
Their stadium cannot even fill 20,000 fans, never mind 60,000 like the Emirates.
Income is low, overheads are HIGH so they are bound to collapse one way or the other.

Why has Aston Villa never been to the UCL?
Aston Villa operate on a mean budget - even tighter than what Wenger's working on and they are not doing badly.
Like i have said. . . .By default, Arsenal are the 3rd/4th best team in England(whether Wenger spends or not).
Qualifying for Europe can never be an achievement cos that same team would achieve it under Onigbinde or Tunde Disu.

Well good thing yu aint Platini or all clubs would have to go into relegation or administration to advance their fortunes. And be careful what you wish for, by the time Platini does decide to make that decision, y'all might be the ones trying to get into the top 4 then, with your existing debts I'm not so sure yu'll be able to pull it off.
With our existing debts, we have won 3 league titles in a row + 2 European finals.
With our existing debts, we have been able to keep Wenger TROPHYLESS for the past 5 seasons.
With our existing debts, we will finish ahead of Arsenal for the 5th time in a row.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread! We Are The Red Devils! by Sauron1: 4:56pm On Apr 19, 2010
dayokanu:
Sharon good question here, Why would a sick and covalescing Rooney be risked when a fit Berbasuck is available?
Because Fergie has belatedly realised his midfield is shitty and can only PLAY one way(via the flanks)
How many goals did we score via the flanks against Bayern? There lies your answer. . .

Extend him for 20yrs, Help Europe get rid of duds, Mop duds off the market
I can almost guarantee if we sell Berbatov to a Champions League rival you will hear the phrase "The forgotten man Dimitar Berbatov returns to haunt United" being screamed in a commentary over a semi-final game by the time you get married.

tkb417:
our midfielders are not intelligent hence the reason Berba is shyte
Your midfielders must provide a good service for their striker.
If they fail, the striker will fail.
The difference between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo is XAVI!!!!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread! We Are The Red Devils! by Sauron1: 4:40pm On Apr 19, 2010
jay bee:
@Sauron
Are you on berbasulk's payroll?
Even when we play him as the lone striker what does he do?
Intelligent passes to?
When you play him as a lone striker, his team-mates are too silly to play to his strengths.
They still play the game as if it's Rooney leading the line.
Our midfielders are not intelligent. . . . .Tell me one time any of our midfielders has laid a pass on the plate for Berbatov like he laid Valencia against Blackburn. They either overhit their passes or underhit it and they expect the Bulgarian to run 300mph like Rooney to chase the ball.
He is not that type of player.

Dude is a costly £30 mil waste pipe
He didn't tag himself £30 million.
SAF was silly enough to splash such amount on Berbatov - that's SAF's fault.
By fuming that he is a £30 million wastepipe, you're doing the equivalent of someone who bought a normal TV in a black market at the cost of a Plasma TV and complaining his TV can't work like a Plasma TV.

Even Berba himself said he's not worth £25 million(never mind 30 milla) before joining Man Utd
BERBATOV BLASTS PRICE TAG
And yet, blind and spastic fans beat him with the price-tag.
How's that his fault?

I bet mame diouf will score more goals than molotv if deployed as a lone striker and play comparable games with him.
The fast flowing efficient footie will play should enable any striker bang in considerable amount of goals throughout the season.
Stop defending the undefendable.
Dude is a total joke and his wackiness holds no bound
Mame Diouf scoring more goals than Berbatov if deployed is your wet-dream. Can we wait till it happens before you start assuming?
Which flowing efficient footie? Our system is heavily reliant on the wingers. If they have a bad day, United will have a horrible day.
A good team must be able to play through the middle. . . .The flanks should be the plan B--not the main plan.
Fergie must buy creative midfielders next season. Our system rely too much on Nani/Valencia and Rooney scoring from crosses.
With Rooney absent, our midfielders cannot play to Berba's strength and thus we fail woefully.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 4:20pm On Apr 19, 2010
duduspace:
Arsenal spending outlay in PL before and after move to the Emirates (also from Sky sports News)

                                               Before                            After
Total cost of players in:         199m                                 71m
Total from players out:           132m                                105m
Net spend:                               67m                                  -34m
net spend/ season                    5m                                   -9m

Yet, we've never dropped out of the top 4 in the PL and some idiots are calling for the manager's head, do people look at figures at all?
This is a very lethargic way of summarising what's happening at Arsenal.
Who cares about the NET SPEND in Arsenal? Give us the player wage bills in comparison to the other teams?

Whatz the NET SPEND of Portsmouth when they won the FA cup in 2008?
Whatz the NET SPEND of Aston Villa who have already been to WEMBLEY twice this season?

Arsene Wenger is a failure and he's lucky 4 teams represent England in the UCL.
By default, Arsenal are the 4th best team in England so whether they spend or not, finishing 4th is 100% certain.

I hope Platini strips the 4 places in Europe into 3 or 2.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread! We Are The Red Devils! by Sauron1: 4:15pm On Apr 19, 2010
debosky:
At the rate we are going, Bendtner who is 22 and cost little will outscore Berbatwat. I don't know what additional evidence is needed to identify a monumental waste pipe of £30m.
Bendtner is the lone striker in Arsenal. . . . .If he doesn't score, i dunno who else would.
Stop mixing apple and oranges.
By the same token, is Darren Bent better than Anelka? Is Bent better than Bellamy/Adebayor/Kuyt?

It's about the system/formation deployed to suit the best striker in a squad.
I have no doubt in me mind Berba will score 30 goals in a team like Citeh/SPURS/Aston Villa cos the managers there will build a team to play to Berba's strengths(being the best they have got) - which is not the case in Man Utd.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread! We Are The Red Devils! by Sauron1: 3:58pm On Apr 19, 2010
Emperoh:

Surely, that same intelligence that got him 28 goals this season.
Who is to blame? Tevez or SAF who refused to play him?
Talk another thing abeg!!!
Same intelligence that got him 28 goals this season has condemned Craig Bellamy and Adebayor to become peripheral players at Citeh.
Which brings me back to my point. U cannot have 2 arrowheads in a team.
The game has evolved. To make Tevez score 30 goals in United, Rooney or Berba must be sacrificed.
To make Berba score 35 goals here, a lot of things must change at United and that is getting rid of our old midfielders and sign ball-playing midfielders like Nasri, Ireland and Cesc.

Emperoh:
The same woeful midfield that Rooney thrives on?
The same weak midfield that got us the UCL finals last season?
And at least the Quarters until Rafael got sent off? The same midfield that scored 3 goals in 21 minutes against Bayern?
Hmmm!! I laugh in Chiquitita!!! Oga, u don't have any case for Berba. . . . . . .he flopped at United!!!
Berbatov and Rooney are different type of strikers.
Rooney is an all rounder, Berbatov is not and we knew what we were getting when we paid £31 million for his services.
To make Berba score 40 goals in United, the team has to be built AROUND him. We would have to get rid of our one dimensional football.

Berbatov thrives with intelligent passes around the edge of the penalty box. Things players like Nasri and Cesc are experts at doing.
Unfortunately, in Man Utd these days. . . . .We don't have such players. What we have got are midfielders who spray passes to the flanks 10 times out of 10. Our penetration this season has majorly been through the flanks or when we catch teams on the break.

Emperoh:

Predictabilty? Great and yet contending for the 4th title in a row? Arsenal will love to be as predictable as we are as long as they are 2nd!!
Rooney was scoring the crosses from valencia. . . . where was Berbatov?
Him no get head? This is no longer a case of him playing lone striker but with Rooney!!
Sauron u saw the understanding between Rooney and Tevez when he was here, why is it so?
Why can't Berba forget hair gel and gel with his strike Partner?
When Rooney and Tevez were here, they were both outscored by Ronaldo so whatz your point?
That same season, Rooney scored 12 from 27 league apps and Tevez got 14 from 34 league apps.
Has Berba done worse this season judging from those stats?

Emperoh:
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Abeg!!! U no get case, Berbadove is what he is. . . . .A dove!!!!
He can't lead the line. . . . .look at his nonsense against BB!!! I tire!!!
Rubbish talks.
He supplied Valencia with the pass of the season - something Xavi and Zidane woulda been proud of but the Ecuadorian missed from 4 yards.
How's it Berba's fault that Luis Valencia is a stupid player?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread! We Are The Red Devils! by Sauron1: 2:41pm On Apr 19, 2010
Emperoh:
Intelligence?
Did u say intelligence? Intelligence that has offered 12 goals all season? I woulda prefer Tevez's intelligence!! tongue
One expects a striker of Dimi's status to lead the line. . . . . his style of play does just not fit into United!!
Tevez's intelligence that only got him 5 league goals in 29 appearances?
Priceless!!!!

Emperoh:

If its not intelligence, it is his team mates not understanding him.
If Fergie has not lost confidence in him, i wonder why he will risk a half fit Wayne Rooney if he had confidence in Rooney.
It didn't happen in one match, 2 matches. . . . . . Bayern and Citeh!!
We all saw how intelligent Berba was against Chelsea!!
Man Utd play 4-5-1 in big games. . . . . . .It's not Berba's fault. . . .That formation is preferred because United's midfield have gone WEAK.
Fergie prefers 5 midfielders so his midfield does not get over-run which means only one striker can start and Rooney is that striker.
If we had Hargo/Anderson then it woulda been 4-4-2 in every game like SPURS or Bayern Munich. Blame your woeful midfield, not Berba.

Emperoh:

Sauron, abeg find another thing. . . . . Berba no fit in!! Let him take his intelligence somewhere else!!
Cristalz says he needs to stay in the box, even when he's in the box, he keeps missing chances.
Berba won't score easy goals, he will want to back flip or dribble everyone to score!
Rich man's Ibrahimovic!!!
Berba does not fit in - i quite agree with that.
Our midfield's intelligence is below Berba's wavelength.
They cannot play their way through the middle with intelligent passes that can cut opponents into shreds like Arsenal or even SPURS.
Scholes/Fletcher always play through the wings relying heavily on Nani/Valencia to provide crosses for Rooney to score. . . .We are too predictable.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread! We Are The Red Devils! by Sauron1: 11:19am On Apr 19, 2010
Emperoh:

Well, he can stay at OT as long as he wants as long as i don't see him on the pitch for any match!!
I wonder what u see in this your Berbatov!!!
The most intelligent striker in Man Utd bar none. . . . .Had Berba missed the chance Rooney missed against Citeh, people woulda crucified him.
It's a shame we have buncha retards in our team who cannot play to Berba's strengths.

presido1:
Sauron, you and your yaradua grin grin grin His is that good yet SAF keep on using half fit Rooney when Yaradua is 101% fit.
SAF has lost confidence in him.
If he's lost confidence in him, he wouldn't have played him in the last 2 games.
Ask Michael Carrick, if you don't believe me.

United play 4-5-1(lone striker).
Of course, Rooney can play that role much more than Berbatov.
It has nothing to do with Berba's failings. If we had Hargreaves and Anderson fit, Berba will start every game in a 4-4-2 system.


Manc am have this feeling that Liverpool will hand this tittle to chavs for one reason. To stop United winning it the 19th time. They will sacrifice their Europa to see that happen. We can only bank on Stoke now and the other club.
Chelsea will drop points in the other games.
Never ever rely on Liverpool to do a job for you.

tkb417:
she Bayern don bring money?
make we sell the murfcker to them buy Benzema abi na David villa
Benzema na striker?
How many goals has he scored for Real Madrid this season?

if he doesnt kick well, sauron will say the passes werent good, if he hits the ball but couldnt find target, Sauron will say no other striker woulda done that, to me, anybody who feels Berba has done well and should not be sold to Urawa reds in Japan shd be banned from this forum
Berbatov has done very well this season.
Anyone expecting Berbatov to have scored 28 goals like Tevez is a lunatic.
Tevez is the main striker in Citeh, Rooney is the main man in United.
No single team can have 2 "main man" cos that means United woulda scored 120 goals this season - and football does not work that way.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 11:10am On Apr 19, 2010
debosky:
And whoever regards you as an intelligent commentator is more of a retarded pea brained simpleton than you are.

I don't blame you - it's Wengers idiocy that has allowed half wits like yourself to come here and attempt to analyse things.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Wigan Athletic Vs Arsenal [3 - 2] On Sunday 18th April by Sauron1: 5:11pm On Apr 18, 2010
aieromon:
Asnal started their 09/10 downfall when AW refused to sign Chamakh and Melo.
Imagine what this duo would have added to their title hopes.
Brittle-boned players.
Had he bought those players, they woulda been injured as well.
Wenger is an idiot with the type of players he signs.

Chamakh is another Nasri in a centre forward position.
No guts, no fibre, no fight.
He will be another Eduardo - mark me words!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 5:07pm On Apr 18, 2010
duduspace:
Do we have Manure's debt level or Barcelona's? Do we have the same status for England as Barcelona has for the Catalans with the accompanying government protection?
Even before Arsene came, Manure always had a richer history than we did that is fact.
How has United's debt affected their performance on the pitch?
Their most glorious years were under the Glazers - between 2007 and 2009.
3 League titles + 2 Champions League finals in a row.

I am 100% certain 99% Arsenal fans would take that before 6 Trophyless seasons and having $500 Trillion in their reserves.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Wigan Athletic Vs Arsenal [3 - 2] On Sunday 18th April by Sauron1: 5:02pm On Apr 18, 2010
Eastbay:
Dude should be booted out and tried for fraud with Arsenal's board members.Just because he's bringing in the millions by selling off their best players,they refuse to sack an under-performing megalomaniac.
Tell me how many coaches last this long at top clubs without winning anything,even the CC?My bad.Le Arse has fallen away from the top-club genre.I'm sorry for that slip.
In fact,Arsenal's problem is spiritual.The board,players,AW,Emirates and even some fans need deliverance by bathing in the Osun River.
Roll Call. . . .

Doyin13
Krayola
AgabaI23
Debosky
HNIC
Dr. Kitaun
Loyika
Eldee
Duduspace

Another reason why Arsenal need deliverance.How can someone who tops the premiership in appearances from the bench be an asset?Thank God the Dud didn't break his ankle this time around.Otherwise,we for no hear word again,like 2008.
He copped hernia this season but letz be honest, if he was fit throughout. . . . .He woulda scored 40 league goals this season.
Eduardo was the top scorer in his league before coming to Arsenal and Brazil might recall him for the world cup this summer cos Dunga has belatedly realised Eduardo is better than Kaka, Pato and Fabiano. grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 4:49pm On Apr 18, 2010
agabaI23:
Sauron
You can say anything you like, I am with you on this one.

I am still an Arsenal fan but there is no excuse for the humiliation.

Rub it in our face it is all Wenger's fault.

How can ARSENAL concede 3 goals in less than 10 miniutes against Wigan? NO FECKING EXCUSE
How is it Wenger's fault FFS?
Arsenal players were more expensive than the mediocre Wigan players.
Wenger chose a team good enough to beat Beelzebub outta Wigan. . . . .His tactics were right as Arsenal were leading 2-0 with 10 mins to go.
What happened in the last 10 mins couldn't have been Wenger's fault. Your players bottled it.

duduspace:
Loyika, I haven't seen the game but would you say all the goals were solely the fault of the keeper?  now when you start with buying a world class keeper, you'll move from their gradually to buying a whole world class team. Unfortunately we don't have that money and we are BUILDING a world class team while trying not to drop performance levels too much. Until we get our Oil sheikh like City (even though that is becoming less fashionable)
At this rate, it would take the best part of a millennium before Arsene Wenger builds a title winning team.
Wenger has been building a team since 2005. When will he finish building?
This gnashing of teeth must stop before Debosky commits suicide. grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Wigan Athletic Vs Arsenal [3 - 2] On Sunday 18th April by Sauron1: 4:45pm On Apr 18, 2010
presido1:
I think sacked should be in place of resign.

The funniest thing to me and the saddest thing to Arsenal fans is that Spurs used arsenal to cement their bid for UCL. This is unbelievable. Had Citeh used Man United in their bid for UCL spot i will stop watching football.
But Eduardo hasn't played for them.
If they had Eduardo, they woulda beaten SPURS and Wigan today.
Eduardo is the best striker in Europe. . . . .Surely, Arsenal have a rotten luck and shitty fans. grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Chelsea Fans Thread : Winners of the FA Cup And League Winners 09/10 by Sauron1: 4:42pm On Apr 18, 2010
BlueDiva:
A draw at OT is all we ask for.
With the form Spurs is right now, that's not a tall order.
OT is a tall order for SPURS.
They couldn't even beat a team of Obertan, Gibson, Owen, Fabio and KitKat in the CC.
Man Utd 2-0 SPURS.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 4:38pm On Apr 18, 2010
Wigan fans humiliated Arsene Wenger.

I kept hearing. . . .

"2-0 and you f[i]u[/i]cked it up"
"2-0 and you f[i]u[/i]cked it up"
"2-0 and you f[i]u[/i]cked it up"
"2-0 and you f[i]u[/i]cked it up"
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 4:32pm On Apr 18, 2010
loyika:
Duduspace embarassed

WILL BUYING A DECENT GOAL KEEPER MAKE ARSENAL BANKRUPT!! huh

Stop defending this man tongue His project was laudable and we all backed him, BUT IT HAS bleeping FAILED!! If Arsene buys players and the team comes up short, then we know its not his fault (even if he will take the blame) But to not buy is a cop out

When supporters stop coming to games or buying tickets, will he then realise that players like Diaby are not fit to wear the shirt!! Ray palour doesn't have Diaby's skill, BUT HE HAS GUTS AND STAMINA! Freddie is no Rozzi!! BUT HE WAS A MONSTER FOR THE SHIRT! No one in this team even has a right to be mentioned in the same sentence as Pires!!

What we saw out there (even when we were 2 nil up) was not the Arsenal team!! (only Sol is worthy to wear that shirt) As far as i am concerned, MY SEASON ENDED AT THE LANE!!

Like i said, Citeh should do us all a favour next week and put an end to this charade!! tongue
I never thunk i would see the day Loyika will admit Eduardo is a global fraud. grin grin grin grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Wigan Athletic Vs Arsenal [3 - 2] On Sunday 18th April by Sauron1: 4:29pm On Apr 18, 2010
Eastbay:
After politicking to get a Wolves player sent off,Le Arse has been battered by a 22-year old,gang-molested by their neighbours and now turned over by a basement team.The mental block you spoke of must be an air borne disease around AW.
Jokes aside, should Arsene Wenger now resign? grin grin grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (In Arsenal We Trust) by Sauron1: 4:22pm On Apr 18, 2010
Dr Kitaun:
Loyika

sorry my fone went off jare BTW your POST IS MY FAVE POST OF THE SEASON!

Lets sack Wenger, sign Amodu instead!!!

Winless team, gutless players, greedy board members, senile gaffer!!!
IT'S A FECKING DISGRACE. . . . . .

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