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chic2pimp:
Shakes His Head In Pity

chic2pimp:
I'm not actually that suprised tbh.

I put 'that' cuz I thought with Barca playing the turnout would be pretty good but I guess I was wrong.

dayokanu:
Iordan letchkov scored at a world cup Quarter final match Aside the fact that Berbasuck has never played a World cup,
He doesnt even score in the vital stages of the CL which butresses the fact that he is dud.

Have fun I am out to the bar to watch the battle of Bayern vs Lyon which would be more interesting than the one sided Bayern vs Manure

tkb417:
crap
R.I.P Juan Antonio Samaranch
u don try

dayokanu:
Ribery did a panenka when Bayern was already 3-0 up. bayern still won the game 5-1

Berbatwat was to take the opening penalty in a shootout and it took 5 minutes for the ball to reach the keeper. Man Utd were eliminated

Howard actually dived because he was embarassed someone would be that senseless to play a penalty like that.

Na him countrymen talk am, No be me. If you get issues to iron out, see Letchkov for clarification

ritchboy:
Berbatov's technique shytes on every other player's in the league. . . That much i know!

duduspace:
Looking at these figures, can you in all honesty claim that this man has not improved the club In the years before Arsene, we were at best a mid-table club without even Aston Villa and Norwich City's pedigree in Europe, Arsene has transformed us into a club that has never dropped out of the top 4 during his tenure. Despite the massive differential in spending by other members of that elite category.

tkb417:
ode, i nor get your time

i know how to deal with you

olodo oshi

Manchester United forked out £30m for Dimitar Berbatov after Daniel Levy stuck to the asking price we didn’t want to pay.
The downside for us was we had to pay over the odds for a player Sir Alex Ferguson really wanted, whilst Tottenham had a load of money in the bank but couldn’t do anything with it given the deal was concluded at midnight on the transfer deadline day.

The general feeling from our fans was happiness and excitement though. We had learnt that morning that City had got involved, had met the asking price we had yet to, and were offering the player far more in wages than we would be able to. For us to secure the deal made for what was probably the most exciting transfer deadline day ever for us.

However, with that £30m price tag came a huge amount of responsibility for the Bulgarian striker. Despite not even bothering to meet Mark Hughes, knowing that at the very least it would probably drive up the wages United were prepared to offer, United fans rightly had high expectations of the massively expensive player.

In his first season, he struggled to meet those expectations and struggled to win over the fans. His touch, link up play and vision were there for all to see, but for a £30m striker, you want goals, and the 9 he scored in the league were rightly not seen as a good enough return. However, for the Berbafans, it was hard to ignore that only one player in the Premiership assisted more goals than him, with creativity being a major selling point for the player.

This season, Berbatov has greatly improved on the goalscoring front and has crept in to the top ten scorers in the league. Considering his knee injury in the first half of the season and the manager’s decision to exclude him when playing 451 for certain games, this is an impressive feat.
But now that Berbatov is scoring more freely, our fans still have an axe to grind/bangwagon to jump on, and this reached its climax at Blackburn on Sunday.

So, have United got the player Sir Alex wanted? We knew we weren’t getting a Carlos Tevez type, who would chase down every loose ball, but is Berbatov what the manager wanted?
He knew £30m was too much, that’s why he refused the deal all summer, but in the end paid out the money.
But is he a shadow of the player he was at Spurs? Are the fans who cleverly dub him BERBAFLOP well within their rights?

We’re going to look at the goals and assists, like always, but there’s now the added element of what percentage of their teams’ goals the players were behind. To give you some comparison, last season Rooney scored 12, assisted 7, and that works out at 28% of Manchester United’s total goals scored. You would rightly expect Berbatov’s goal contribution at Spurs to be a lot higher than for Man Utd.

We’re also going to look at the stats of two former REDs who were the hard working types, who ran non-stop for 90 minutes, who were totally adored by our fans, to see where the priorities of our fans lie in qualities they look for in a striker.
How has Berbatov contributed in comparison to them and is goal contribution enough if you’re not going to run around trying to win every ball?

Dimitar Berbatov(SPURS) 2006/2007

Minutes: 2715
Goals: 12 (8th)
Goals per minute: 1 goal per 226 minutes (3 hours 46 minutes)
Assists: 11 (4th)
Goals and assists: 23
Goals scored/created: 1 per 118 minutes (1 hour 58 minutes)
Percentage of team’s goals scored/created: 40%

Dimitar Berbatov(SPURS) 2007/2008

Minutes: 2991
Goals: 15 (5th)
Goals per minute: 1 goal per 199 minutes (3 hours 19 minutes)
Assists: 11 (4th)
Goals and assists: 26
Goals scored/created: 1 per 115 minutes (1 hour 55 minutes)
Percentage of team’s goals scored/created: 39%

Berbatov(Man Utd) 2008/2009

Minutes: 2643
Goals: 9 (25th)
Goals per minute: 1 goal per 294 minutes (4 hours 54 minutes)
Assists: 10 (2nd)
Goals and assists: 19
Goals scored/created: 1 per 139 minutes (2 hours 19 minutes)
Percentage of team’s goals scored/created: 28%


Berbatov(Man Utd)2009/2010

Minutes: 1851 minutes
Goals: 12 (10th)
Goals per minute: 1 goal per 154 minutes (2 hours 34 minutes)
Assists: 6 (22nd)
Goals and assists: 18
Goals scored/created: 1 goal per 103 minutes (1 hour 43 minutes)
Percentage of team’s goals scored/created: 26%


Alan Smith(Man Utd) 2004/2005

Minutes: 2038
Goals: 6 (44th)
Goals per minute: 1 goal per 340 minutes (5 hours 40 minutes)
Assists: 4 (35th)
Goals and assists: 10
Goals scored/created: 1 goal per 204 minutes (3 hours 24 minutes)
Percentage of team’s goals scored/created: 17%


Carlos Tevez(Man Utd) 2007/2008

Minutes: 2685 minutes
Goals: 14 (9th)
Goals per minute: 1 goal per 192 minutes (2 hours 72 minutes)
Assists: 7 assists (18th)
Goals and assists: 21
Goals scored/created: 1 per 128 minutes (2 hours 8 minutes)
Percentage of team’s goals scored/created: 23%


Carlos Tevez(Man Utd) 2008/2009

Minutes: 1856
Goals: 5 (53rd)
Goals per minute: 1 goal per 371 minutes (6 hours 11 minutes)
Assists: 3 (74th highest in the league)
Goals and assists: 8
Goals scored/created: 1 per 232 minutes (3 hours 52 minutes)
Percentage of team’s goals scored/created: 12%

Conclusion:

The number of goals Berbatov has scored and created this season is of a higher rate than any of his four years in England, higher than both Carlos Tevez’s years at United as well as Alan Smith’s first year at United (and only year he played as an out and out striker).

Berbatov has scored/assisted almost a quarter of a goals this season, despite not playing anywhere near as much, and scored/assisted over a quarter of our goals last season when competing with the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney and Tevez.

Looking at this season, Berbatov has scored or created a goal for United almost once a game, (1 per game + 13 minutes), but that doesn’t get any credit, whilst Tevez needed almost four hours to score or assist a goal last season, and Smithy needed three and a half hours.

Interesting then that Berbatov is considered a FLOP and is booed by some supporters, whilst Carlos Tevez and Alan Smith were adored.
What does that tell us about the standards of some United fans?
Running around and looking to be working hard is a more admirable quality in a striker than scoring and creating goals. Great!!!

If Berbatov had cost us £15m I honestly don’t think there would be a problem but that price tag is the worst thing that could ever happen to him.
I have long been a defender of Berbatov but I am now beginning to side with those who think we should get rid.

He is never going to prosper in the increasingly hostile environment our fans are creating, so maybe it is time he got out and joined a club where he could be adored, the way we adored Tevez and Smith.

The manager hasn’t adapted our tactics to suit Berbatov, the way he has done for Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo and Rooney,so maybe that tells us all we need to know. The manager wanted him enough to eventually pay out £30m but not enough to take a risk in trying to find tactics which will compliment him, so there’s not a lot Berbatov can do about it.

Against top sides, the manager is worried we’ll be overrun in midfield, a possible indication of the lacking of world class quality in this position, and the Bulgarian pays the price. If we had a Roy Keane-Paul Scholes at their peak combination, would the manager feel the need to play five midfielders and just one striker?

tkb417:
yeah right!!!
Now hes intelligent but off form

if i were you, ill stop debating in public
i dont have to respond to the other shitz you posted
its nothin different from your usual applesauce

i dont have time

dayokanu:
^^ Presido, No be new thing.

Imagine in a world cup qualifier for Bulgarian Berbatwat crawled 2000m in 90 mins Including the distance he cover to and from dressing room, at the begining, half time and end of game.

Just google Bularian FA criticise Berbatov and see the story

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=581673&cc=5901

dayokanu:
Havent we seen Berbasuck play the worst penalty in the history of association football?. From Berbatovs leg to the keeper the ball spent 5 minutes time enough for the keeper to complete 5 laps

tkb417:
i dont even think u have a degree

1) we were made to believe all our midfielders are not intelligent
yes or no

now from the post above, Carrick is intelligent but off-form
how does that correlate with "all our midfielders are not intelligent hence the reason Berba is shyte"?

are you naturally silly or what?
ive told you to stop rushing to the internet when you know you will come back to contradict urself

Eastbay:
I don't think the above listed players are that bad.
Wondering why you omited Scholes from that list. . .

I still think Carrick and O'Shea can contribute to the squad.
Cus some of the young blood you're advocating to fill their shoes aren't ready:Gibson,Welbeck,Macheda. . .I suggest they be sent out on loan,not to the championship,but to top divisions in Europe.
But i got to admit I agree with you on Hargreaves:he has to prove his fitness cus he's going to the 4th year of his contract and isn't growing any younger.

BinghiNya:
United beat Liverpool, the first time Berbatov wasn't used for a long period of the game. If Berbatov was the bomb Fergie should have used him instead of Roonie.

The match against the Chavs what did he do in that match. How many times has berbaslow played against the Big 4. He only shows his skills against the dregs of the premiership. 4k berbatov and his admirers.
Sauron, stop defending a failed project. The day berbatov scores 20 goals for United in the EPL i will hang myself.

BinghiNya:
The greatest flop ever to don the number jersey for United in my Opinion is Berbatov. The job of a striker is to sore goals and not create. Creativity is mainly for Playmakers.berbatov would be sacked if goal scoring was a marketing job. He is the greatest flop of all times . he is simply berbaflop.

Eastbay:
Don't wanna join this debate,cus I'm actually tired of it.
Let's focus on our three remaining games this season.
We don't need to drop any more points along the way if we want to retain,cus by the events of the weekend,the heat is back on them chavs.
I think the dodgy game might be at Sunderland.

duduspace:
On to better things now, anyone who wants Arsene out can match to Emirates to eject him themselves (if the stewards don't eject them first). 

But pause awhile before yu undertake that action, lets examine what the effect of the new squad rules willl be on teams in the PL starting from next season, then maybe Arsene's foresight won't look so dumb.

If you aint aware, from next season, all PL teams will be required to name a 25 man (over 21 years old) PL squad with at least 8 Home grown players in it, the definition of HG is a player that has been trained in England/Wales for a period of 3 years between the age of 16 and 21 years. You are however allowed to have an unlimited number of players 21 years and under.

This table shows how the "historical" top 4 clubs meet the quota, it is interesting that apart from the 8 that qualify for Arsenal, 5 others outside the 8 still qualify as HG players, most of those who qualify for Manure and Chelsea are old and are not likely to be playing anywhere near their peak in a few years time. Liverpool is the worst placed and will either have to buy from other English clubs or make up the spaces with some Under 21 players (some other clubs should be happy that they might get some of that 60m Rafa wants).
This rule will also have an effect on the players transfer trend over the summer as its no use going to buy more foreign players if yu wld only fall foul of the new rules, infact I'm guessing it had something to do with Fergie's hot pursuit of Smalling over the summer on hearing news that Arsene was interested in signing the player, I can't however relate it to the purchase of Diouf and Obertan or the new mexican guy as they all wouldnt qualify, maybe Sauron can enlighten us?

@Debo
This is also one of the reasons why it might not be a good idea to sell Vela as he qualifies as Home grown whereas Eduardo does not. Some rumors are also coming up that we might not lose Merida as initially thought as he would not be an home grown player if he goes back to spain thereby giving him more incentive to try to make a career with us.

Chelsea              Arsenal           Liverpool             Man Utd
         
1. Terry            1. Bendtner        1. Johnson            1. Neville
2. Lampard          2. Clichy          2. Gerrard            2. Ferdinand
3. Cole             3. Djourou         3. Carragher          3. Brown
4. Turnbull         4. Gibbs           4. Spearing           4. Owen
5. Mancienne        5. Traore          5. Insua              5. Rooney
6. J.Cole           6. Song                                  6. Giggs
7. Mikel            7. Cesc                                  7. Foster     
8. Hutchinson       8. Walcott                               8. Carrick
--------------------------------------------------------------         
9. Cech             9. Sol             9. Cavalieri          9. Scholes
10. Ivanovic       10. Senderos        10. Agger             10. O'Shea
11. Alex           11. Vela            11. Torres            11. Evans
12. Zhirkov        12. Almunia         12. Aurelio           12. Fletcher 
13. Essien         13. Van Persie      13. Benayoun          13. Gibson
14. Malouda        14. Fabianski       14. Maxi              14. VDS
15. Drogba         15. Sagna           15. Kuyt              15. Kuszczak
16. Anelka         16. Vermaelen       16. Babel             16. Evra
17. Bosingwa       17. Gallas          17. Mascherano        17. Hargreaves
18. Matic          18. Silvestre       18. Lucas             18. Anderson
19. Kalou          19. Diaby           19. Riera             19. Berbatov
20. Ballack        20. Rosicky         20. Ngog              20. Park
21. Deco           21. Nasri           21. Reina             21. Vidic
22. Carvalho       22. Arshavin        22. El Zhar           22. Nani
23. Ferraira       23. Eboue           23. Skrtel            23. Valencia
24. Hilario        24. Eduardo         24. Aquilani          24. Tosic
25. Belletti       25. Denilson        25. Nemeth            25 Obertan

tkb417:
Sauron

is Carrick an intelligent player?
Yes or NO?

cos for him to be better than Gerrard when on form means hes intelligent. abi?

or intelligence comes with form? i tot its innate?
This is why i fight you everyday, ure losing your mind

ure a fcking disgrace like berbatov

Emperoh:
TKB

leave matter for Mathias. . . . . suddenly from being better than him, he changed to 'having a better for then'!
Tomorrow, from what i have seen from this dude, Berbatov will be a flop so as to make sense in his argument!!
His rigmarole and self contradiction is second to none. . . . . . i wonder how the same tongue produces such amount of contradiction

Emperoh:

Tafa Balogun is a very upright person when compared to contradictions from Sauron!!
I have no need to say anything more. . . . Rooney before having the team built around him has always notched up 20 goals every season!!
That alone is enough encouragement for a coach to build a team around him. . . . .add his passion to the game, courage and determination and u have all u need. . . . I have asked what Berba achieved or how many goal he scored when everyone 'played to his strength' at Spurs, yet more applesauce from you.

Emperoh:

Berba is just a skillful player and that's just about it!!!
I don't need me a skillful player with no end product. . . . .let him go to Arsenal, he has Nasri and co like u stated.
No wonder the same intelligent players Berba need have been barren with title for almost 5 yrs!!!

Intelligent passes indeed!!!!

chic2pimp:
Me ke lai lai dem no fit
I am a British Citizen. I get leg pass Nick Griffin gan sef

You nko abi no be you I see for that Borderforce documentary
Gbenga oya log off before dem trace you reach peckham

chic2pimp:
Me sef jare

shadrach77:
just like it happened with the American elections two years ago, the British election is here - the date has been set for May 6th. It would be nice to know would Nigerians love to see on the British hotseat - the incumbent Gordon Brown or conservative candidate David Cameron? - Discuss

CyberG:
This is a question which I am curious about! What is IBB's record in government that qualifies him to run this country again? His supporters are free to make a list maybe they will convince me and other Nigerians?

4 Play:
You don't believe? That's how FL Gators got into the US.

OneONYX:
Suicide mission
• Desperate man sneaks into Delta Airline plane’s tyre
compartment with the aim to be smuggled into the US, but
arrives
Atlanta as mangled dead body

luizworld:
Ms. Dreamgirl - "I am utterly content with you just the way you are, my handsome genius of a boyfriend. I think we must make love like crazed weasels now!"
Also known as: Ms. Right, Goddess, Knockout, Perfection, Gorgeous
Advantages: Funny, intelligent, uninhibited
Disadvantages: Will have nothing to do with you. 

Brrrrrrrrh

BlueDiva:
I dunno.
There is something about Fergie.

He's either extremely good or is in some sect that gives him powers.
Can't still figure out why Terry slipped at that moment.

BlueDiva:
I agree with you.

Word on the street has it that the other teams will conspire against United.
Stoke, 'Pool and Wigan have agreed to sell the games, nobody want's United to have a 4th title.

Interesting days ahead indeed. . .
Seriously looking forward to May 9th.

BlueDiva:
LOL. . .
I had lost faith, our form was poor then.

Let's have some predos from you.
Who takes the title? Be honest!!! 

BlueDiva:
Spot on Mr Stats.

You predicted y'all will struggle at Ewood Park.
You also predicted we'll thrash Villa.

BlueDiva:
Try this.

vs United. . .3pts gone
vs L'pool. . .3pts gone
vs Spurs. . .2pts gone
vs Villa . . . 2pts gone

Yes, we're that poor right now !!!

debosky:
I hope for an upset every night, but realistically, I am relying on Utd, Villa and others to do so and not Portsmouth.

Don't be silly - Portsmouth will be relegated willy nilly there's nothing to fight for.

That's the situation NOW, but things can always change. . . .I still remember watching Premier League Preview on Friday night, they were saying the same about Chelski. . .all it takes is one freak game and things change again.

I ain't backing off - I still firmly believe the Premiership will end up in the Emiraati this season.

BUT, if that doesn't happen, I am still glad we've kept in the race longer than at any point since 2004.

duduspace:
Sauron also cannot convince anyone that even though all of the Glazer debt isnt due to player purchases, the 130m net spend on players has no part at all to play in that debt profile as well as their high wages.

nateevs:
Many Utd know nada. Except Chac, many of them thoought Blackburn was a walk over.

~Sauron~:
. . . . . .And Fulham sodomised Juventus.

You guys are overreacting. . . . .Any team can go to Ewood Park and draw.
Chelsea were a bit unfortunate yesterday. Ivanovic's injury tipped the balance and he woulda done better than Ferreira when Diouf scored.
I wouldn't be disappointed if United cop a draw @ Ewood Park. They are a very difficult side to beat at home.

La Liga only have 2 decent teams.
Barcelona and Real Madrid. The others are gash.

That success didn't come overnight.
It was borne out of hard-work, managerial stability, long term planning and years of laying down a solid foundation.
U cannot be changing managers every summer and expect consistent results.

Chelsea will beat Villa blue-black @ Wembley.

debosky:
Dudu - was United not WINNING before Glazer's debt??

If anything, Glazer's debt has HELD BACK United and not helped them ONE BIT!!

The club was SELF SUFFICIENT, not OWING ANYONE and RAKING IN money, hence Arsenal wanting to copy them.

Exclude Glazers' debt from any analysis - Utd was highly competitive before they even dreamed of buying the club.

dayokanu:
Arsenals starting lineup is Almunia(32), Sagna(27), Gallas(32), vermalaen (25), Clichy(25), cesc (23), Song (23), Arshavin (29), Van Persie(27), Rosicky(29), Nasri(23). Just 3 players under 25
How young I ask

presido1:
Nowtin i no go read from sauron, So 11 players will change their style of play to suit Berbatwat?
I think he should start from Accademy then so that they will blood together.

Even Berbayaradua know he is not doing well how somebody like sauron will spend a 12hrs in a day defending him beats my imagination.
As a lone striker yet you see him strolling in the midfield as if they use 18yard box swear for him. Even when the ball is in 18 yard box Berbatov will still be in the MF playing his lone striker role. I think he should be played as a "lone midfielder" for the remaing matches. Thank God Rooney is getting better otherwise you will see SAF attacking the ball against Spurs.

Emperoh:

At 12 goals a season?? I wonder a coach with his onions who would build his team around aa striker with such a paltry return.
Maybe Arsene Wenger as he has done with RVP. . . . .needless to ask anyone to see where they are now!
Fergie ain't like that. . . . . . . he has lost confidence is Dimitar Berbatov only Sauron still sees Berba as a world class 30 goal a season striker!!

Emperoh:

Oga stop merry go round, U made the first goof by comparing two totally different midfielders.

If Martin Jol bult his team around Berba what was his return?
WHere is Jol today and what did they achieve?
U have no case. . . . . .My bible is more rewarding dude so i will hug it tightly!!