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Ebubu3:
what does this mean?

The remnant of the upper cross river groups in Ebonyi that were not absorbed by the Mgbo, Ikwo, Ezaa and Izhi. That's what it means.
They are especially very numerous in Ikwo local government.

Ologbo147:
what do you think the population of the Ijaws are in Edo state and why, given the fact that they obviously have the most sparsely populated communities in Edo State. How do you juxtapose it with the fact that the first three largest communities in the lga are Bini speaking in that order of Iguobazuwa , Udo, Usen. The combination of these three towns at the very least would not be less than 110 thousand. There are still other three Bini wards which contains multiple tens of Benin communities which includes iguoriakhi etc when you juxtapose these side by side, it certainly is not in Ijaws favor

Bros the truth is that Ijaws are significant in ovia SW. That was why I was telling you to forget that ward talk.
There are sizable villages of Ijaw extraction in that local government, and the Ijaws multiply at exceptional rates.

There is:
Ajakurama
Ofunama
Okomu Ijo
Gbelekanga
Inikorogha
Abere
Jamagie
Izide
Kolobo
Safarogbo
Binidogha
Ofineyege
Gbelebu
Asamara

Joint ijaw and Ikale (Yoruba) villages
Madagbayu
Abiala
Gbelemotin Oke
Gbelemotin Odo
Kekere

Ijaws are significant in Edo state, it isn't like they have just one or two communities and naught. Infact, the only difference between Ijaws in Ondo and Edo state is that the Ones in Ondo state managed to get and dominate a local government to themselves when they were separated from Ilaje to be on their own, while the ones in Edo are balkanized in 3, making them minorities in each one. All the ijaw villages in Ovia SW and Ovia NE can actually together be a local government.

Ebubu3:
Isobo people are in Ikwo Local Government Ebonyi State and are officially recognised as indigenous to Ikwo Local Government Area, Ebonyi state.

Are you trying to tell me there are Cross River people in Ikwo Local Government, Ebonyi state?

There are Cross river groups scattered in Ebonyi state. The Igbo migration northeastwards from the Awka-Orlu and Nsukka Igbo heartlands met them there and absorbed most of them. Those that were not completely absorbed completely to remain in pockets across Ebonyi.

Ologbo147:
when it comes to Bini history, language and people, you are clearly ignorant my brother

Of all time, of all time on culture section, go and read from these men,

Physicsqed
Ogbuefi11
Redbonesmith
Scholes0- I added scholes0 because of the knowledge of the mappings of Benin kingdom and Edo people, scholes0 seem to know Edo state more than his Ondo state, i don’t necessarily agree with him on his Yoruba affiliation of the Bini monarchy, and he is also very open minded and perhaps the most intelligent Yoruba on Bini and Edo matters
Deadlytruth does not have much work on Bini, but his work on Akoko Edo is very explicit and would educate you

I did not add much Binis so you will not see me as parochial

Benin monarchy is actually Ife paternally and Egor maternally.

Isobo people are not igbos. People should stop spreading what is obviously a fallacy.

They are Mbembe people with slight influence from Ezaa and Izhi due to contact.

Ologbo147:
Ijaw have just three wards out of the ten wards in Ovia south west and cannot even have up to thirty percent of the population of this lga because they have sparsely populated communities.

Iguobazuwa alone with two wards was 21 thousand in 1991, today it is well over 55 thousand, Udo is a single ward but it is the largest single ward there, as at the beginning of this millennium, it was estimated to be 15,000. Today it should be around the 40,000 mark. Then you have Usen, Iguoriakhi, and three other wards in Ovia south west

So the Ijaws does not really come close as it pertains to population ratio in Ovia south west

Abudu, Iguobazuwa and Okada are Bini towns on that list. Though Okada has grown significantly larger than the others because of the university at Okada, estimated to have 78 thousand as at 2011

It is not by number of wards. That is just politics.

A developer has got to develop.
Crime propensity is 70% DNA (Nature) and 30% Nurture.

Simbrixton:
oba Erejuwa the second wife was actually from egbetta this is the first Olu that married bini woman

Egbeta are not even Binis historically.
They are Yoruba people that were Edonised.

Simbrixton:
oba Erejuwa the second wife was actually from egbetta this is the first Olu that married bini woman

Egbeta are not Binis historically.
They are Yoruba people that were Edonised.

This Edo Akure man, Yoruba-Benin fraud want to come and defraud Ivbi Edo.
Anyways, Edo governorship is the turn of EBHO ESAN aka Edo central no matter what anybody says.

Olorun Olodumare is God.
Thst is what Yorubas worship.
You can never see any Yoruba telling you that Ogun is God.

All these divinities you listed are Orisha (Roughly Saints or should I say Prophets?) while Imalẹ are roughly like Angels .
They are not God.

AdaFonju:
Pidgin english originated from the niger delta as a means to communicate with the british who traded with various Ijaw kingdoms, thats why its structure is Subject Object Verb like the Ijaw language, as the creole language spread it started incorporating words from other native languages to become a lingua franca in Nigeria

Here are some words
Na- it is , from Ijaw Na bologha- it isn't far
Yori yori- Ijaw fine and clean
Nyanga- Ijaw (nyongo)- to swing freely from side to side, to make gyne(i dont think dis is an english word)
The Ijaw language uses words twice for adjectives
Kele kele- small small (Ijaw)
Pata pata- the largest eg Oga patapata the biggest boss
Jaga jaga- (jaka jaka) rough, irregular, not uniformed (Ijaw)
Orobo- (orubo) big or grown woman (Ijaw)
Kurusu- canon (Ijaw)
Most sea food items
Esam, ngolo, ikoro, mgbe, afari- Pewerinkle, gastropod shellfish, shellfish, oyster, sardines (Ijaw)

Patapata is Yoruba.
Jagajaga as well. Although we may not have a 100% claim on this one as it is just an onomatopoeia and not an actual word, so, it might be shared among various groups.

Na in pidgin is from English Now. That's why even in pidgin you will still hear people pronounce it as "Nau", and others as "Naa"
Give me nau/Give me naa. Same thing.

SosoKairanuli:
Kuku and kuku maa are not Yoruba. The way it's used in Pidgin suggests it comes from Ijaw/Urhobo/Isoko languages. In Ijaw, “kuku” is used to say “quick” or “just” which matches the way it's used in Pidgin. Your explanation of the Yoruba meaning doesn't even fit or make sense. Tbh, I wish you people would stop blindly claiming everything is Yoruba (or another big three tribe). Especially since we already know most Pidgin words come from South South. If something sounds similar to you, it's probably because Nigerian languages use the same sounds. Stop erasing minority cultures and contributions.

Most pidgin words came from south south since when?
Anyways maybe in your neck of the woods it does because there is no "Nigerian pidgin" per say but a mosaic of collective pidgins.

Kuku that I know is straight from the Yoruba Language.
"Kuku pa mi" - Just kill me already. (Yoruba)
"Make you kuku do am" - Just do it already. (Pidgin)

The way people write whatever they so please on this app , eeeh!

Swift11:
The people of magongo are not Yoruba we don’t share a Yoruba culture our people know that we stayed with idoma some years ago being related to them
You can’t find up to 10 people in magongo or speaks or understands yoruba

What does kecha mean in Yoruba?
What does ishomaro mean in Yoruba?
What does arumega mean in Yoruba
What does Eba mean in Yoruba
What does osibina mean in Yoruba?

My aunty told me that we are said to have migrated from ile Ife but it might not be true and if we are to do a proper research we would fall under idoma or edo

As we speak osayen
We don’t marry other than edo/ogori/delta/idoma
And edo and idoma refer to magongo people as brothers

Lmao

Christistruth02:
The Ga and Ewe of Togo Ghana and Benin Republic are Akan Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry

They are all called Egun by the Yorubas and include the Egun of Badagry

Ga and Ewe people are NOT Akan speakers.
In Ghana, they are separate and on their own thing.

This is true.
In fact this is what they even teach all the Ghanaian kids in their schools.

Oga Akure was never Ijesha what are you saying sef.

Ijesha should get their lands taken by the Ibadans in Iresi, Igbajo, Ada ad the rest back and leave the Ekiti kingdom of Akure alone.

Will address to the Other BS in the write up later.
Some points i'll address:

- Yoruba is a fairly recent word? - LOL . Nothing could be more wrong.
- It was a word coined by Ajayi crowther - Ridiculous.
- WTH is Edekiri people? Edekiri is a branch of the Yoruboid languages, not a people.
- Both the origins of the words Eko/Ereko/Oko and Iduganran are again, 110% Yoruba. Infact Oko/Ereko.Eko as a word had been in Use in Lagos before some Bini migrants ventured towards that part of the world.
- Oba Akiolu and all lagos kings since the time of Ologun Kutere are paternally Ijesha and maternally Awori.. The Benin genetic link is from their maternal great grandmother (matriarch) who was Awori paternally and Bini maternally (The bini mother of Ado).

What many don't now is that the ruling dynasty of Lagos is not that of Ashipa but that of Alaagba, an Ijesha Babalawo and Politician. Ologun Kutere was the product of the marriage between Erelu Kuti who was daughter to Oba Ado and sister to Gabaro, and Alaagba (short for ' Alagbigba'), an Ijesha traditional adviser to Oba Akinsemoyin. He was the successor to the throne through a matrilineal line and the beginning of the Lagos dynastic switch.

LMAO\
The way people fabricate history in Nigeria these days is actually VERY alarming... Like.. what is this bullcrap?

First and foremst, Etí Ọsà is a 110% Yoruba word not a prtially Yoruba word.

2 - Eti means Fringe or Ear. In this particular geographical context, it means edge or bank.

3 - Osa is the Lagoon in the Yoruba language, and in this particular case, the specific one around Lagos.

4- The etymological break down of Eti Ọsa is absolutely Yoruba, not even partially... If you want to know people that are lying, just watch carefully how they try to do so by inserting 50% truth into their carefully orchestrated lies to give the FABU FABRICATED part some legitimacy. He was absolutely right when he said Eti is a fully Yoruba word, but so is Ọsa.

5- Edo does not, and has never had two words for Lagoons/large body of water. It has always been Okun which is a word that arguably also got transferred/transported into the Edo lexicon from the Yoruba language itself. Ọsa (to mean a lagoon) does not even exist in the Edo language lexicon. On the other hand, that same word is present even in the earliest written version of a Yoruba dictionary.

You think you can just wake up one morning and fabricaate new non existent words and plug them into a language? Do these pseudo historians think we are all !diots?

Honestly, make all of una just rest on Lagos matter. It is getting ridiculous at this point.

Fig 1. Yoruba language dictionary (1843) - 1 Osa with 1 meaning
Fig 2. Bini/Edo language dictionary (1937) - 3 Osa with 3 meanings , none of which is even remotely connected with water.

Igbos that are very well known to relocate enmasse to the South east during times for census They will go and boost population in their villages, starving Lagos of population related federal allocation by so doing- and then return en masse after counting is done to stress Lagos infrastructure.

The problem with Nigerian internet these days is that it is filled with people who were toddlers in 2006 census and their own fathers were probably teenagers in 1991.

Mercy2006:
Personally, I would like to know how Gbadebo lost his polling unit because there was no voters suppression and intimidation there.
Neither was ballot snatching.
Does it mean he is not as popular among his people as people were making him out to be?

He wasn't/isn't.

He wanted to ride a peter obi lagos victory wave (which by th way was less than 10 thousand votes ), but his political enemies found his weak spot. He also went on a Lagos nativist campaign and ostracized Yorubas whose immediate origins were not from Lagos Island.... and his popularity took an unrecoverable dip. He was pretty much done for.

UGBE634:
Slightly where, Isoko itself is times two the size of Itsekiri, according to the 1952 census, Itsekiri was about 34 thousand, while Isoko on the other hand was about 74,000 thousand, infact there is no Edoid group that is not bigger than Itsekiri save for Uneme. That same year Owan/Ora was about 48 thousand,

The Itsekiri population consolidated in the years afterwards.
And I said "In their kingdom", meaning that I am only referring to the populations of any of those afore metioned ethnicities within the warri kingdom

Kcdojoto:
Many people did not come out to vote, especially non yorubas.
Congratulations to him

And yet, the total number of voters is higher than the presidential figures

LP can't even get a majority in Anambra?

Andrew's Liver Salt

samuk:
Let me break it down for you.

There was once a western region in Nigeria which comprises the following gladiators.

1. Oba of Benin with centuries old documented history by the Europeans

2. The Alaafin of Oyo which the British met on ground as king of yoruba people in 1824.

3. The Ooni which the yoruba people regarded as their spiritual leader.

Unification of the region:

The people of this former western region were continously at way with each other until the British brought law and order in order to colonised the country.

A story was concocted to unite these people under one umbrella. Ife was chosen to be the epicentre of a migration myth. The Oba of Benin contributed his centuries old history which Ife lacked and in return, he inherit or became the heir to Oduduwa fictitious dynasty. The Alaafin became second heir to the dynasty while Ooni whose domain was already chosen as the migration Centre got the least position of chief priest or spiritual leader.

This plot unravel when Awolowo introduced tribalism into this arrangements by helping to elevate the Ooni above his assigned position. The Oba of Benin (Akenzua) worked out of the arrangements in protest and demanded for his own mid West Region, which he got in 1963. The Alaafin and the Ooni were left in the western region to fight it out amongst themselves.

The oba if Benin left with his entitled, heir to Oduduwa dynasty intact, the Alaafin seems to have gotten the shot end of the stick.

Wrong. The people of Yorubaland were not CONTINIOUSLY at war. The decline of Oyo in the 19th century led to a huge power vacuum that various Yoruba kingdoms were jostling to replace, amongst them; ibadan, Ijaye, Abeokuta, Owu and the rest which were the aspiring new powers, and that was the period of incessant warfare. Before then, there wasn't any more frequency of warfare amongst the people than in anywhere else or among any other group of people in the general southeastern west African region they were situated in.

Ife was never chosen as the epicentre of any migration myth. There were actually dynastic migrations of rulers and in some cases commoners from Ife of old. You think it is easy to cook a non existent chapter into the history of Millions including their Orikis just like that?

Let me tell you, before there was anything called 'Western region', Otu Ife had always occupied a sacred place in Yoruba historiography.

The people of the Benue valley share something similar based in the old confederation of Kororofa based in Wukari, although not 100% the same with the seeming Ife-Yorubaland equivalent. Some northern Igbos of the Anambra valley had it with Nri, and so many Edoid groups have it with Igodomigodo or Benin. It is't exactly a new thing in West Africa or even the world. Maybe those were cooked up too.

samuk:
He is right, UGBE634 already presented a screen shot of Benin dictionary said to have been written in 1930s, it's there, scroll backwards to see it.

The BA in the dictionary is different from the OBA.

I may not fully understand Edo but I still know some things.

RedboneSmith:
Yea, I remember arguing with him once about the origin and etymology of 'Idu'. He disagreed very strongly with my position, which I understand. All things put together he is more pragmatic and objective than most other Benin people on here.

Another pragmatic Benin nairalander, who no longer uses this platform was bokohalal.

I saw the Idu thread. Wasn't it the one talking about Idumu/Idumwun (A community of people argument)?

I remember him too.
Those were old timers when culture section used to pop.

samuk:
There was nothing like Oduduwa in Benin history pre-1897 and Oba Eresonyen predates 1897. Alot was changed in Benin history to accommodate the new Oduduwa polical history after 1897. Why was it ague Oghene in the past according to you and then changed to ugie Oduduwa after 1897?

Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan didn't appear in Benin history pre-1896. There is no where in Benin history those names existed before 1897.

Lmao... I am looking forward the next story that you will spin to explain away the Oduduwa mask used in the Oduduwa ritual that was part of the commemorative art carted away from Benin after the expedition.

RedboneSmith:
Bloody nose?

The way you people claim 'victory' is very funny. TAO will trash you people with concrete peer-reviewed scholarly submissions. You people will claim you gave her a bloody nose, even when the interaction in which she dragged all of you like small Tiger gen is there for everyone to see.

I came on to demonstrate that Ryder was misquoted by one of you. I did that. I put all the evidence out. And then stepped back, because I have no interest in the broader discussion going on here. You came and claimed I was given a bloody nose. By who? How? Gregyboy used to do this a lot with me too, which was really weird, because that boy has never made one coherent point all the time I have known him here.

One wonders if this is a peculiar Benin trait - to claim phantom victories.

Is that how your empire was also built - on the back of phantom victories? One would hope not.

Like, I just tire.

To be fair though, Ugbe634 has been more pragmatic that the rest of these ones just doing bandwagon activism.

Thebadpolitican:
The title oba is a short form it is called omo no oba, the white people shortened it, no elderly one in benin would call the Oba of benin oba without putting omo no' ba which means ( the child that shines for the edo people) that is the title are not just oba which is a short form

Shey you dey whine me ni?
What is all these pseudo-history flying around here?

AutomaticMotors:
That boy na complete i.diot! I swear I can't even hide my disgust ... I just can't!!!

As e dey pain you... e dey sweet me.