₦airaland Forum

JUST START BUILDING THIS THING ALREADY ABEG,
We don dey hear enough hype about this project ......

lawani:
Oga as used in pidgin comes from the Yoruba. Ogranya and organisation does not have the correct tones

That being said, I believe it is the same word in the Edoid Ogiso, Ogiame and etc meaning King of the sky and King of the waters respectively.

OGA means boss or senior in Yoruba. It can also mean master Ogie means.king in Edo. It used to be the same word thousands of years ago obviously

The first part of your submission is right, Kudos. The second part, very very wrong.

Ọga in Yoruba and Ogie in Ẹdo are not cognates... The starting sound《O》is not even the same alphabet. (O vs Ọ). It is like saying the English words "Owl" (A bird of prey) and "Awl" (A hand tool) are the same thing.

Then the tones of both are complelely different. Just the same way you know that the sound of the Ọga in Ọgaranya is different from that of the Ọga in Yoruba and by extension, Pidgin.
The Yoruboid word cognate to Ogie (If it truly exists) is more likely Oye (Titleship). In parts of Edo North, the word for King is still Oje till today.

Dont just jump into conclusions like that unless you're exactly sure. There are many false positive similarities out there between all languages.

ssogundele2003:
Ok. Please, who are the original indigenous people of the place?

Warri South which is the original warri township before the urbanization spread to neighboring villages, historically belongs to the Itsekiris.

Lies....
This is funny, coming from Urhobo and Ijaw people who never obey court judgements that have ruled time and time again that the Itsekiris are the indigenous land owners in Warri.


Besides, there is no binding supreme court judgement that forces a new delineation in Warri.... and this so called HURIWA is just a nefarious IPOB body masquerading itself as a human rights group... we know them 🤣🤣

So does it belong to the Pope in Rome or the Imam of the Masjid al Haram in Mecca?

BreconHills:
You don't need to respond to anti everything bait.

The more ports, the more revenue for the Federal Government and consequently Nigeria. More jobs in the states. What's not to like?

Read my reply again...... I wasn't against anybody. On the contrary, the person I replied to was the one who was being anti-Yoruba.

Okaynaw:
Yoruba get ready

After onne

Koko 90%

Calabar 60%

Abia incoming

And so?

Lagos has Apapa, Tin can and the Lekki deep seaports.
There are several other private ports like that of Dangote and Oando.

Others are incoming like the new ports of Snake Island, Badagry and Epe

Ondo has the Ilaje deep seaport incoming.

Ogun statee also has plans for its own seaports.


The attached picture is snake island, which will soon become another busy logistic port of commerce in Yorubaland. Stay there dey zuzu shouting Yoruba upandan.
Regardless, the Yoruba people are happy about the progress of the people of the South-South. We aren't anti-progress like some people..

As for a SEAPORT being cited in Abia, you can continue daydreaming.

Iamgrey5:
Olumogbon should be from the Oba of Lagos bini decedent.

The Balee of Ajah should the mixture of Ilaje, Awori and Tapa decedent of Ajah

Although Olumogbon is of Awori White cap chief origin of Lagos island.

The fight is to determine whether the original Kingdom of Eko extended to Ajah area of Lagos.

So it's purely a family affair.

DELETE OR EDIT THIS
Olumegbon is an Idejo chief and has no connection with Benin whatsoever. Infact, the eldest amongst them, hence his name OLUMEGBON.
They are the land owning chiefs of Lagos who are of pure Awori descent as the descendants of Olofin Ogunfunminire.

Research on the Olumegbon pls.

Biodun556:
They are identified in Lagos history. Lagos historians still mention their origins

Doesn't matter.
There is no large ethnicity in the world today that doesn't have a few people from other places. Those people are for all intents and purposes 100% Yoruba today. Only people pursuing a fruitless agenda will be stressing a single ancestor or two who came from a non Yoruba place over 400 years ago over their dozens of Yoruba ancestors in this 2024.

As of today, there are no Binis or Nupes in Lagos because the few Benins or Nupes who came to the Lagos area haave already long assimilated into the larger Yoruba environment, becoming practically Yoruba themselves. They have fought wars and bled for Yoruba interests. Nobody sees them as anything but Yoruba except for mischievious 5th columnists.
It makes no single sense to still be calling someone with a single Benin or Nupe ancestor from the 1500s or 1600s a Benin person today, especially not when said persons have several dozens of Yoruba ancestors in their lineage/blood.

If we are to go by the same standard, then their so called Benin ancestor might actually be Yoruba, since so many of them actually have their roots in Ife dating to the period of intense Yoruba influence east of the Ose (ovia) river.

JAWBONE:
Who is the we? Speak for yourself. How can it be that you speak a people's language, bear their names, [b]share their kingship systems [/b]and deities, marriage, dressing and 99% of their customs and traditions yet you want to make the claim that you have nothing to do with them.

The joke is on you.

Care to elaborate?
Which kingship system is that?

RedboneSmith:
If you consider that Efik, Ibibio and Annang are close enough that many will consider them to be a dialect continuum, or that Urhobo and Isoko of the Southern Edoid branch also share similar closeness and are also on a continuum, or that the Itsekiri is quite simply the Southeastern extention of Yoruba, and is still mutually intelligible with many Yoruba dialects of Ondo State.... If you consider all these, then you'll appreciate that the Igbo/Igboid tribes are not the only ones who don't necessarily follow that template.

Too many examples.

Nupe (Niger) / Bassa Nge, Kakanda (Kogi) / Kupa (Kogi, Niger) / Koro (FCT)
Idoma (Benue) / Alago (Nassarawa) / Agatu (Nassarawa, Benue) / Yala (Cross River) / Igede (Benue)
Ebira (Kogi Central) / Igbira (Kogi, Kogi East, Nassarawa) / Etuno (Edo)
Atyap (Kaduna, Plateau) / Bajju (Kaduna) / Agworok (Kaduna)

The Ijoid groups like the Kalabari, Okrika, Izon, are somewhere in-between both positions and have sucessfully been able to consolidate. Infact, their effort at consolidation has been so successful that they have been able to bring in so many non Ijaw groups into their union.

On the other end, the Ogoni subgroups of Tai, Eleme and Gokana seem to be doing the opposite. Previously consolidated but beginning to move or drift apart over time due to whatever reasons.

pics?

No new language from Southern Nigeria.
Continue losing your languages to pidgin o, you hear?

In Google's Translation services biggest expansion ever, they have now added 110 new languages from around the world, bringing the total number of languages they offer translation services in to 243 different tongues from around the globe, coming close to doubling the number of languages it handles since their last time of expansion back in 2022 when it added 24 new languages.

Of these new languages added, three more Nigerian languages make the list (Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo had since been added since 2014). These new Nigerian languages are:
Tiv
Kanuri
Fulani (Fulfulde)

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/27/24186223/google-translate-110-new-languages

rexbuton:
Scholes you are aware that the fricatives gh, kh, gw, are standard bini consonants?
I was brought to this thread, because I was listening to random Nigerian songs, and a song came up which sounded like garbled Edo music, and I later found out it was an ilaje song. Looking at their cultural attire as in the video above, it is safe to assume that their origin is closer to Benin than Ife

I said their music shares a similar musical cadence with the Binis, I never said their origin was Benin or that they were Bini.

DMerciful:
If they collected Ilorin, they'd eventually get to the lagoon

What happened that led to the emergence of a Fulani Emir in Ilorin was an internal coup, not a pitched battle.
And like I said earlier, the Yorubas stopped the Jihadists advance in the west when they defeated the Fulanis at the battle of Osogbo.
The Yorubas were on the cusp of marching on Ilorin itself when the british arrived and brought back the Emir who had fled the city after several years of living in fear and whose powers had been practically dismantled by the powerful Baloguns. The British did this in order to facilitate indirect rule through a single political figurehead (The Emir AKA Oba Ilorin)

DMerciful:
Before the British came, the Fulani jihad was conquering the area now called Nigeria. They started from Sokoto and coming down South.
Their intention is to get to the sea. However, the British stopped the at the Kwara , kogi, Benue border.

That line is called the Kabba line and upward of that line is referred to as North and below that line as South.

The North formed the Northern Protectorate under Britain and the South formed the Southern Protectorate under Britain. These were separate countries before the 1914 amalgamation, a terrible mistake!

It was the Yorubas of Ibadan that stopped the Jihad on the western flank, not the British.

garfield1:
They dominate gombe.most governors in NW are fulanis

Maybe you misunderstood the question I asked.
Fuanis do not dominate Taraba state. They are minorities there. Even in Jalingo. Their highest concentrations are in the Gashaka, Lau, Gassol and Karim Lamido, which are all already multiethnic areas.
Again which states do Fulanis dominate where they do not produce governor?

garfield1:
It seems fulanis dominate Taraba

How do Fulanis dominate Taraba? looool
There is no state Fulanis dominante where they do not consistently emerge as the state governors. Give one example if it exists.

FiftyFifty:
Asking this glaringly unintelligent question tells everything about you IQ level.

Aleiro
Dukku
Funakaye
Fune
Jajere
Yusufari
Yunusari
Mayo Belwa
Karim Lamido
Jalingo
Jama'are
Fufore
Girei
Bali
Gassol
Sardauna
Akko
Toro
Darazo
Misau
Tambuwal
Issa
Ibbi
Kalgo
Bodinga
Goronyo
Shagari
Wamakko
Bagudu
Yauri
Are some of the local govt' areas that quickly came to my mind. They're spread across the North. I'm also Fulani. So?

Yauri, Darazo, Ibbi etc are not Fulani words.
Also, that some of those local governments were named after Fulani people or words from Fulfulde does not necessarily mean that the fulanis are the majority demographic in them. Case in point is Sardauna which is dominated by the Mambilla with the Fulanis there being a minority.

Virtually all the places you have listed are highly multi ethnic and diverse.

Gbagyi is Kaduna and Zamfara, not Kebbi.

tollyboy5:
You're the one saying rubbish . The name Yoruba is a political name given to southwest people.

Political name given to SouthWest people kill you.
When did 'Southwest people' start being a real thing? Olodo.

tollyboy5:
The post above me. so I those ondo tribe mention have bini ancestory. I just Google it and found out lol.
No wonder ekiti and ondo are quite different from regular Yoruba.

Ijebu on another hand stand alone as a separate migration, pls note that some itshekiri are from ijebu also.
Most act attributed to Yorubas in Lagos are characters of typical ijebu culture that has become general Yoruba culture.

The Oyo/osun Seth of Yoruba mixing with ijebu and bini expansionist form the present dominance of the Yoruba dialect and give the dialect different accent.

Today Yoruba speaking community span through Kwara to kogi down to Benin/Togo then to bini.
While Yoruba core territory remain southwest only. So we're are connected one way or the other lol.

It's foolishness to start fighting each other when were closely connected.
But it seems thats what the world is all about War, zero peace, trouble etc

Just talking rubbish which confidence.
Bini itself na almost 50% Yoruba ancestrally.

Slytiger:
That's one of the reason why people say the SE are the biggest benefactor of one Nigeria...

Beneficiary, not benefactor.

Ogene001:
Ibadan is surrounded by empty bush unlike the east where small city with have endless sprawling countryside

Ibadan might be surrounded by bush, but when measured, the area of Ibadan's built up landscape alone will swallow thousands of square kilometers of medium density vilage sprawl typical of the SE landscape.
The advantage to the Yoruba settlement pattern is also that they have ample virgin land to embark of novel mega projects closer to their city cores without displacing too many people in the countryside; like the brand new ring road infrastructure that is currently being built to encircle the whole of Ibadan or the Ibadan dry port unlike the East where such developers would suffer to find large continuous tracts of land free of human 'obstructions' by way of villages and might eventually have to resort to moving very far away from the intended service area of the project....

Ogene001:
Ekiti, gombe bayelsa are small states. It has nothing to do with size of states but population clusters

Who told you Gombe is small? Gombe is small in the North, not in the south.
Bayelsa is swamp normally and is extremely hard to build up.
As for Ekiti, it is on the list.

So are you saying it is more developed than the FCT which isn't on the list?

Just a fancy word for Population density.

The smaller states will naturally be more compact. But by the time you do the math, you will see that the SW is the most urbanized zone in Nigeria by miles, with the largest total area of built up zones.
You can see that all the states there are mostly the smaller states except Ogun state whose population has already surpassed 10 million by now, pushing it into the list.

Udazi:
There is nothing like if, it is not an uncommon scenario anywhere in the world,French and Italian have 89% lexical similarities but only have partial mutual intelligibility and are regarded as separate languages and people.

With the 91% lexical similarities between Esan and Benin. That is why they are regarded as one of the very few languages in Africa and the world that are said to be mutually intelligible

Read this.
Learn to follow thread contents before quoting ppl pls.
Your Italian-French analogy only proves the point. High degree of lexical similarity but difficulty in two way communication because of various other linguistic factors.

scholes0:
While this may be true though, lexical similarity is just one factor that determines mutual comprehensibility. There are also things like language structure/grammar/arrangement, evolved divergent tones and inflections, speed of speech, use or lack thereof originally universal terms that are retained or dropped etc.

What is the real life experience of people (native speakers of these languages) trying to understand the other will be the real determinant of how much they can communicate. Linguistics for example say Igala and central Yoruba are share about 60% lexical similarity. in practical terms however, I doubt a Lagosian can even understand one third (35%) of Igala.
But if Benins and Esans do actually understand 91% of one another IRL, then surely both languages and even identities should have since merged into one.

oyatz:
You can compare many things simultaneously.

Both Yoruba and Edo ,though are different belong to the same KWA language family.

As you move away from Bini towards Akure, Ilesha, Ife, Gbogan, Iwo to Ejigbo to Oyo, you will notice that the dialects become more different from Bini and closer to Yoruba Ajumolo.

You are comparing two things that are within the same set (SE Yoruba and NW Yoruba) to something that is not within their set and is in a different set all together, (Edo language).
SE Yoruba native speakers can not understand ordinary 'come' in Edo language. You can do broad based analysis, but your initial remark was way off vis-a-vis the two language groups.