Thoh:


Egbema in Imo are acculturated Ijaws.

lol, similarity in name is where it ends. There are several examples across Nigeria.
You people have started.

Thoh:


They are not.

Ijaws were unjustly balkanized into six States when all Ijaw areas are as big as the South East of Nigeria and share perfect boundaries with each other.

No south east state is homogeneous.

Imo is 100% Igbo.

Idiko1:


Please if you are drunk, I beg you to get sober. Ijaw in Port Harcourt are bona fide tenants. There was court case which legally informed these characters called Ijaw to thread very carefully in Igweocha (Port Harcourt). Ironically, the presiding judge was Ijaw too.

So they are squatters in PH too?

Lothaire:
Yorubas are pathetic cowards who can't even defend themselves in real life but have big mouth online. Bunch of pathetic worthless fvcktards.And if you are a Yoruba,I owe you no apology.

Yorubas still tower above you in all imaginable endeavours of life. A world renowned people with CLASS... your worthless online ad-hominem attacks won't put one kobo in my pocket. Why should I care about your silly self or your worthless tribe? Werrey.

Efewestern:


Main market belongs to Ijaw. No matter how small it is, the land still belongs to Ijaw and we must accept that reality.

How and when I decide to rename my land should be of no concern to anyone. If you are on Social media during that time of the coronation you would see how the entire city were erroneously labeled as part of Iwere when in reality, almost every part of the modern city are in Uvwie, Udu and Okpe.

Isn't that enough reason to rename one's land? What's the pride in even living in denial and falsehood? You want the outside community to believe you own a city that is majorly in other people's territory.

Talk about inferiority complex.

Good for you. I am only pointing out the timing. ... the inferiority complex is rather in the reverse. A people who can't bear the pomp of an ordinary coronation. Infact during the coronation Urhobos were the ones making jest of itsekiris that they had to go to Ode Itsekiri to coronate the Olu. You are trying to do reverse psychology... just be proud with your full chest that Warri the name has always been an Itsekiri entity... And that Urhobos have now realized that fact, hence the push for a name change to their areas.

Please, when did markets become towns and villages? Who is the king of the ogbe ijoh fish market? So Igbo market in Agbasa now belongs to Ibos? I like your logic.

Lothaire:
ikwerres chase ijaws out of Port Harcourt? When? Drop Link to backup your claims. Or you think ijaws are pathetic worthless
useless stupid Yoruba people who were chase out of Akwa ibom by an ordinary minority?

See as you dey rejoice say Ibeno people in Akwa Ibom gang up kill the vastly outnumbered Ilajes who are hundreds of miles away from their home base all the way in Ondo.. hmm

Efewestern:


You may have no problem with the Wado city tag but it raised some dust and I sincerely don't know why your cousins are fusing about it. I want to rename my ancestral land, why should that be a problem to anyone?

The Ijaws in Warri South only occupy Main market/Ogbeijoh market then the waterside.

Well there is no Ijaw settlements there... Ogbe Ijoh is not WS... Markets are not permanent settlements btw.
Yes it raised dust because it smacked of some level of insincerity... Ejiro had to bring it up days after the coronation of the new Olu and the massive recognition and national coverage accorded the Itsekiri. Are you saying it was in no way connected?

Efewestern:


The Waddo city advocates have some legit reasons for their agitation. The City of Warri is more or less in other LGAs other than the Warri South itself which we now regard as "OLD WARRI."

The modern city is in;
Uvwie
Okpe
Udu.

These three LGAs back then were of no much influence in the early 70's when the tussle of who owns Warri South was at its peak.

As we speak, the city is growing deeper and deeper into other Urhobo LGAs and might catch up with Ughelli South which is already happening (Places like Agbarho are gradually being integrated into the city).

This is a fact others don't know that the Wado city advocates are pushing. Left for me, I careless. More than 90% of the city are in my terrain, so why should I argue about a name?

LoL

I am not against the concept of Wado city.... If the Urhobos feel like the Name Warri which belogs to the Itsekiri is disenfranchising to them, and they chose to rename their areas something else, it is all within their rights to do so.
At least with that, the issue between Urhobo and Itsekiri can actually start having clear nodes for resolution.

Na the ijaw issue gangan dey controversial.... Which was why I quoted that OP who is very likely Ijaw. Please what are the indigenous Ijaw towns in Warri South?

Iceberg3:
Iceberg3 the Osulistic Ọdẹ boy

See this one.. still stalking me after all these years on NL like a homeless hobo
Jobless MoFo .. You no dey even shame for your life small, shinedu.
No Lefelendum no Erection

All those Ijaw villages you are calling Warri are not Warri.. LMAO

WhizdomXX:
Okere -Urhobo kingdom and Agbassa Warri kingdom are integral parts of the Urhobo Warri empire.

Just like Ugbolokposo in Uvwie is an Integral part of the Warri kingdom of itsekiri....No?

LMAOOOO

If you are not a MUMU you will know that more than 90% of those lights east of the Niger and in the areas of the far south are from oil rigs and burning gas flares…. You can even see that there are some brightly lit areas in the water

Precinct bawo? LMAO

You are putting your energy in the wrong venture

PVision2020:

You and your people have a penchant for arguing blindly without evidence.
As early as 1850 Akara & Oga (O ga in Yoruba means someone higher or greater) was used in Yoruba Bible to connote Bread and the Most High (Oga-Ogo). Breaking of bread in Yoruba theology is called E bukara. Show me any Igbo text around 1850 or earlier that has the word Akara or Oga.

Okro is a corruption of the English word Okra.
Yorubas call Okra Ila and ogbono orun-ila

You are right, but Ogbono is 'Apon' not Orunla.
You might have heard the popular Yoruba song; "E lo ja'wo ninu apon ti ko yo".... telling people to stop promoting bad behaviour. "Apon ti ko yo... i.e Apon soup wey no draw"

Orunla is another type of soup.... you may want to correct that.

A lot of Africans FELL HARD for the initial media propaganda that was so prevalent in the initial stages…. And it is even more surprising that entire national governments in Africa fell for the western media hullabaloo as well.

And that is why looking back retrospectively now- Most of them would be having a serious rethink and wished they had remained neutral.

E don crash into Barents sea after crossing into Russian Airspace..

RichDad1:
These are some of the pictures of the Anambra International Airport taunted to be one of the best in the country.

National Passanger Cargo can be clearly seen written on the top of the third picture…. So, you might actually be right on something.

Time to replace Russia in Europe

BKayy:

E don finally shock you.
This is what my superior reasoning do to history revisionists. It sends them running.

No come and answer the question. Tell us who you are referring to as Ijaw?

Bringing revisions of 1980 upwards to contest of facts and logic.

One last advice "You see those revisions you Yorubas are fooling yourselves with? It will be the doom of your nation"

Okay??.??
I have posted the leads here for those who genuinely want to read and find out more, so my work is done. The best thing about threads like this is those who come to read.
Mr doom predictor lol.

BKayy:

Fabrics in Itsekiri was from Bini.
Ijaw that traded with Yoruba is those (that calls themselves Ijaw) around present day Ondo axis but those in Rivers and Delta were under Aro and Aboh jurisdiction respectively.

BTW, who exactly are you referring to as Ijaw?

lol...i'm done with you.
Peace.

BKayy:

Lets finish with your confusion on Igbo textiles first before I reconstruct you on bronzes.
So tell me why Capt Hugh Crow that spent 20+ years in Bonny and Niger Delta never met this mysterious Ijaw people that sold clothes to Ndigbo but documented Igbo indigenous textiles?

Was it after 1980 that the ghosts of those mysterious Ijaws started directing the revisionist that sought to link Igbo achievements to Yoruba pathetic borrowed uniforms?

Oh wow, Hugh Crow spent 20+ years in Bonny but Never mentioned everything about Ijaws trading with Ijebu because he is all knowing but several other sources from other European talk about Long standing trade in fabrics between Ijebus, Itsekiris and Ijaws...... How confusing that must be for you

BKayy:

LOL. All articles started from 1980
You Yorubas are deeply Shameless.

Now you want to use your articles of 1980 upwards after the fall of Eastern Region to revise the history of first impression by the Europeans that dates 1800s

The history from the Europeans like I posted stated clearly of indigenous Igbo textiles and neighbouring nations to Igboland getting their textiles from there but from 1980, driven by inferiority complex Yorubas have made it a point of duty to link Igbo textiles to what they borrowed from Fulani

coming from someone posting pictures from the same 1900s to prove a certain point, this is very rich.
So first impression of Europeans said Ijebu designs didn't come through ijaw intermediaries into Ndoki land. SMH..!

BKayy:

LOL. None knows stupidity like a Yoruba man that is hunting to rewrite other people's accomplishment in a bid to have a stake in it.
You people once claim that you have the oldest artifact until carbon dating proved that the oldest bronze in Southern Nigeria is from Igbo-Ukwu. Although ignoramuses like you will still doubt for noisemaking sake.

lol, carbon dating of Igbo ukwu works are still highly contended and controversial in academic circles because of the methods employed but that is a story for another time. You still can't prove that Igbo ukwu is older than ife, even with the 9th century ascribed to igbo ukwu artefact.

BKayy:


You asked what is special in the Ikenga? If it wasn't special, you wouldn't have said such. It literally reduced your Yoruba artifact to work of simple people when placed side by side.

You be proper clown, so some carved Ikenga wood from sometime shortly before independence is what you are comparing with an African art classic in the same calibre as Egypt?
So you think there aren't countless pieces of carved work from Yorubaland with even more astounding intricacy and with far older chronological stamps from Yorubaland or what? Is that how shallow your history is?

BKayy:

LOL @ your ignorance. "contract weaver for Ijaws" lol.
Is it the ijaws that are under Aboh and Aro jurisdictions?
Not only "University of Lowa" but Iyowa. You people are too funny. You think attaching "University" to the back of fraudulent work makes it authentic?
This was exactly what you tried with University of Ibadan. Once it is not first person report or from extensive proven archaeological research. It is just propaganda.

BTW, are you talking about these ijaws?

Goodness me! your understanding is quite shallow.
So "contract weavers" is what unhinged you to go off on another tangent? loool... You have issues o abi you don't know what patronage entails? Isn't this esteem issues oozing out like this....

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Igbo Women and Economic Transformation in Southeastern ... - Page 68; Gloria chuku, 2005

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Akwete Weaving: A Study of Change in Response to the Palm oil trade.. Lisa Aronson 1982

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Textiles of Africa - Page 97, Dale Idiens, ‎Kenneth G. Ponting · 1980

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Cloth as Metaphor: Nigerian Textiles from the Museum of ... - Page 54
Jean Borgatti, ‎University of California, Los Angeles. Museum of Cultural History

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Jean Borgatti, ‎University of California, Los Angeles. Museum of Cultural History

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Ebiegberi Joe Alagoa, ‎Tekena N. Tamuno · 1989 Land and People of Nigeria: Rivers State - Page 108


Chei, Yorubas have corrupted various sources online with Lagos-Ibadan media lies ooo. How vile can these people be that they are making Igbos, Europeans and Ijaws write lies about history like this.

BKayy:

If you have an atom of knowledge in history, you would have known that Akwete is the name of the town that manufactures the cloth

You post links to "university websites". You must be talking of the same university website like Ibadan press that published Alagoas fake history.
Yorubas are known for lies and this discussion is a proof.

There is a big difference between historic records and articles. The latter can't supercede or stand when the first is presented.

As for that artifact you post as maybe your last surviving chance of being alive in the argument, you should have imagined what my reply will be.
You can compare with the Ikenga below

Whenever Ndigbo are talking about history, innovation, and ancient civilisations, you Yorubas should keep shut and lower your heads. We are not mate, we initiate while you people are influenced by others

Yes Akwete is the town and that is exactly why I was talking about the place called Akwete and how they became contract weavers for Ijaws who liked the Yoruba textiles traded with them. Have I stated otherwise or are you just thick? Lmao.

University of Iowa is now a blog.
Alive in what argument you have absolutely no points, this is AM comedy.... But I get it, you need to make up for a lot..... your threads with superlative titles says all I need to know.... you've been lying from page 1 and continue lying only to say some people"lie a lot", even claiming "some igbo politicians" started wearing agbada-like styles out of 'forced inclusion in nigeria' ... Who forced these igbo people to wear agbada?

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Your long texts won't save you from that inner emptiness...

Btw.... what's special about that contemporary wooden ikenga?

BKayy:

They say great civilisation think alike but the main aim of the picture is about the materials. Unlike you, Ndigbo didn't have any single contact with Fulani until Nigeria was established.
Putting cloth halfway across the shoulders is an ancient way of dressing which Ndigbo as well as Greeks, Romans,, Berbers, the Amharas of Ethiopia, Jews, Massai of Kenya and other impressive civilisations share.
Yorubas can't be out in the same line with these great civilisations because you don't even wear clothes.

That Obi of Onitsha dressing is a proof of great civilisation (Igbo, Greek, Romans etc) thinking alike

Ohhh, so The Fulanis that showed up in Yorubaland in late 1700s or later introduced clothing to Yorubas who had been weaving and dyeing for eras before then (for some weird reason you seem to think a race of nomad herders were busy innovating and introducing weaving to others), Meanwhile, The igalas that colonized northern igboland and civilized them from at least the 16th century brought nothing. or were they naked savages too?
Your standards are so double edged.,... but not that I am surprised.

BKayy:

"Disgrace me?" what are you waiting for? Bring it on.

It is quite a shame that you Yorubas sedentary lifestyle of not travelling much also reflect in your reading. You don't read past outside the lies you deceive yourselves with about yourself in your backwards region.
The level illiteracy and ignorance about other nations in Yorubaland is quite alarming. I doubt there is a single Yoruba man that knows shit about their neighbours talkless of those of entirely different culture like Ndigbo.

You might need to have a word with Captain Hugh Crow on Igbo not having cotton and making cotton clothes

lol. I said in Akwete which is the exact location in discourse, you are posting an 1800s voyage of a European writing about the whole of igboland....

He even says Yorubas were naked...lmao... is this how to be naked in your books?

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I won't waste my time arguing with you, I can see you have a penchant for avoiding main points, lying and diverting the discussion elsewhere. I post links to University websites, and you keep calling them "Yoruba blogs" to keep yourself happy. To me, a discussion with you will lead to nothing but more lies... I had to go look at some of your previous cloud 9 threads. LMAO.

Continue posting colorized pictures of scantily dressed Aniomas from the 1900s like say na one kain ancient image.... You go dey alright las las.

And OP said you guys are cultural vultures, you are typing rubbish as if he lied.

bundarina:
What I've seen is igbo take bits abd pieces of other groups traditional attire and say they 'also do it' when pre modern photos show that they didn't. I saw a tiktok of this American igbo people wearing Efik attire, Yoruba Gele and Edo attire as igbo culture.

Can igbo cultural figures come together and create a cultural attire that isn't copying and pasting other ethnicities attire. They'd say they wore like edo attire too without the Edo crown bead work but that's not true. Historical photos confirm this.

Some say that they wore a head wear similar to Gele called Ichafu, when Ichafu was actually an handkerchief they wore to church that came with colonialism. Ichafu is also a loan word from the French chef, and looked nothing like Yoruba Gele and the way it was styled. That's a given as historical photos show and both ethnicities were not in direct contact or neighbors, prior to the modern word.

So what's is actual igbo attire devoid of borrowing? And Isiagu is recent and imported, but i can respect it. Some other ethnicities in Cameroon, also within that Nigerian region have started the cultural borrowing too, mimicking their neighbors.

Video in question of a common example of the cultural outfit copy and paste. I will post screen shots since i can't post tiktoks.

Very true.
Some will even wear other cultural styles, appropriate it and then turn back to argue with the cultural proprietors.

Btw, what igbos call "ichafu" is not borrowed from "Chef" but from old french into english "chiffon" meaning a small piece of fabric or rag... the type handmaids would typically tie on their heads while doing domestic work or which women would typically use in catholic churches.

More evidence of the early Yoruba Ijebu influence on Akwete designs.

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