₦airaland Forum

UGBE634:
They are economic immigrants, they came to Benin to hustle, they are not majorly the ones travelling,the group that usually travels there are the Igbos, their total number can't be more than 200 thousand. Compare that with the Bini majority in the city. I don't want to assign occupations to the Urhobos,and the Hausas, that would be derogatory to their image but we know what they do here. Ebiras,Isoko, Ijaw,Itsekiris are not much here.

You cannot also wish away the population of hausas in Ibadan too

The population of Urhobo travellers in Benin is very minimal

Still, there is no way you can compare the demography of Benin and Ibadan. Benin is a major city in a demographically diverse state and an even more diverse region. The Bini are not the only ones who travel in Benin. The Esan and to an extent the Afenmai are heavy travellers too, even Yoruba. Do you know how many Yorubas use the Benin passport office? It is sorta like BEDC over there that controlls electricity supply to eastern Yorubaland like Ondo and Ekiti. Unless you don't want to make that distinction... And these are all ethnicities that have a heavy population in Benin.

UGBE634:
we cannot vouch for it o, Ibadan is mighty now, the population of Igbos in Iwo road alone might be up to some tens of thousand. Ibadan of late has received a lot of immigrants migrating from lagos for the purpose of a more calmer life.

compare that with population of:

Igbos ...Including Anioma
Urhobo
Itsekiri
Ijaw
Yoruba
Ebira
Hausa
Isoko .. Etc in Benin... and you will understand.

UGBE634:
You can see there, that the state higher than Edo in the south west, are Oyo and lagos. Edo is third, and also we cannot bank on Oyo and lagos because there is large number of immigrants there,many of the people getting their passport in these state might not be Yoruba

When you compare Benin as a people in terms of ratio to the yorubas, you would understand what I am talking about. As our population increases mightily you will understand.

In that link the Iyase of Benin talked about having 20 of his family members in London alone. Let alone the entire Uk or the population of the entire Binis in diaspora. Timestamp 20:50 to 21:02


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIBTmlI7hA

Oga, Edo has much more non Natives as a percentage of the population compared to Oyo..
And the gap between Oyo and Edo no be here.

UGBE634:
it is not arrant nonsense, Edo is the most travelled ethnic group in Nigeria

lol how can you say this even with the data you just quoted?

XerXers:
60% of people employed in the brewery are from Anambra, that is what Obi saying but urchins will twist it

So if 60% of the company workforce come from just one state (Anambra) out of 36… How exactly does making that public advance his course as someone who wants to become the president of a federation like Nigeria?

.....

Your mum doesn't look tribalist to me.

She is just weary and has learnt from more than 1 bad experience.
seems more to me like you are the 'kid' here who still has a lot to learn ... Hopefully in future you leave your mother's place, work hard and can have your own properties.. then you'll understand

post=115919854:
I hope you have seen this

Get with the times.... Igboland is now the worst in the South when it comes to Out of school children ..... With Anambra topping the cake as worst performer in the entire South.

ednut1:
One of them split from the other at some point. Likely the Yoruba who moved south wards

Check a map please, Yoruba are not more southerly than Igala per se.

Geographically, Yorubaland extend both more Northerly and more Southerly than the reach of Igalas.... Which means you will find Yoruba groups more northerly and more southerly than them.....

Olu317:
How do you mean Archaic Yoruba ? I will advise you consult extensively before assumption because misleading the public can be infectious. So,kindly do more research than posting submission as this.

Plainly, Igala has never been archaic Yoruba. The Olukwu still speak a dialect of Yoruba being encircled by heavy Ibo speakers.Yet the language cum dialect still retain its Yoruba dialect.

This people had lived in around the era Igala was formed which is over 800 years old and still retain Yoruba dialect . Therefore do not pressume on the Igala language.

So, redirect your research to the fact than asserting such view as "Archaic Yoruba language". The Igala language is not not not "Archaic Yoruba."

Furthermore, the comparison are in some true cognate but exaggeration exist in some areas you thought they same. For instance

There is nothing as Olokunrin or Olobinrin in Yoruba language. Appropriateley, it Okunrin/Ọkunrin or Obinrin/Obiri. Infact, Ajayi Crowther created Arabinrin and Arakunrin which never existed in Yoruba lexicon of ancient times.

Again, the comparison of Igala words with Yorubas still do not have synonymous words for the Yoruba words which differs from Igala's language.

So, kindly take note because all families are in iléifẹ to confirm whoever is telling false positing truth.

Pls stick to what you know, or calm down and stop getting your panties in a bunch.
I said Igala sounds like heavily modified archaic Yoruba, I never said it is the archaic Yoruba, maybe you have comprehension issues..... If you have any contrary opinions, express it. It is an established fact that the NW Yoruba dialects (Your Oyo, Egba, Ibarapa and co) are the newest and latest evolving Yoruba dialects while the eastern dialects ( your Ekiti (Esun), Ufe, Ijebu, Ogho, Ondo, Okun of Kogi (Owe, Oworo, Iyagba and co) are the more archaic and stable...

That is why an Igala, Ekiti, Ondo, Itsekiri, Ijesha person will instantly interpret the title of Teni's popular single "Uyo Meyo" without breaking sweat, but your average Lagosian or Ibadan Yoruba will still be asking if that is even Yoruba language.
That is why the vocabulary of Igala is closer to that of the eastern dialects but with heavy mutations due to contact with Idoma and Igbo.


Igala and Olukumi do not belong to the same time period.
All linguists agree that Igala and the modern Yoruba dialects split off from a previous common proto language... so I don't know how any well informed person will be comparing the chronology of Olukumi vis-a-vis Yoruba with that of Igala, which shares a much more antiquated level of relationship.

Ps: Who told you there is nothing like Olokunrin in Yoruba. Stop overreaching yourself please.... or better still, just stick to your dialect and stay there.
And even if that was the case, where exactly are the exaggerations? because apart from that one example out of all those I have listed up there you haven't pointed to any other one.

ednut1:
One of them split from the other at some point. Likely the Yoruba who moved south wards

Check a map please, Yoruba are not more southerly than Igala per se.... it is Nigeria's confusing political geography that makes people think along the lines of ;"Igala are North, Yoruba is South" Or have you forgotten there are Yorubas in the same "Northern" kogi state with the Igalas?

Geographically, Yorubaland extend both more in the Northerly and more in the Southerly directions than the reach of Igalas.... Which means that even within Yorubas, you will actually find Yoruba groups more northerly and more southerly than Igala geographically..... So you can see your hypothesis is already faulty.

@OP look at it this way, the closeness between the original aboriginal Igalas (Akpoto) & Yoruba is ancestral. A result of both groups descending from the same ancestors in deep prehistory that is so so old that nobody recorded it. The relationship between Igala & Igbo you friend talks about is as a result of geographical closeness/inter-relationship along border areas and some culture rubbing off each other. There are even igalas in today's Southeast. So actually, depending on the Igala you ask, there are varying degrees of closeness with neighbors. Some Igalas will tell you they are closest to Agatu/Idoma, some will tell u it is Bassa-Nge/Nupe. These are all location induced relatedness.

Igala looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.

Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.

1)* I noticed keenly that Igala have evolved to replace the nasal vowels (Añ, Eñ, Ẹñ, Iñ, Oñ, Ọñ, Uñ) endings in Yoruba with their oral vowel equivalents. Because Yoruba has both 7 oral & nasal vowels... but seems Igala has the 7 oral (A, E, Ẹ, I, O, Ọ, U) but has retained only 1 of the nasal vowels (Uñ) used in negation or ending negative statements.

2)* Some consonant mutation in Igala that differs from the Yoruba equivalents, i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L), (SH to CH) etc...
Here are some RULES:

Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present
Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu
Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi
Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu
Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi
Guñ (pound) - Gwu
Hañ (show) - Ŋa
Ọkuñ (millipede) - Ọkọ
Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu
Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu
Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu
Fañ (blow) - Fa
Agañ (barren) - Aga
Kañ (sour) - Ka
Okañ (one) - Oka
Oduñ (year) - Odo
Agbañ (chin) - Agba
Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu
Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa
Oyañ (breats) - Eñya
Idiñ (maggot) - Ide
Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko
Tituñ (new) - Tito
Efañ (buffalo) - Efa
ETC

Rule B*: Consonant mutation R to L and vice-versa
Kekere (small) - Kekele
Irawo (star) - Ilawo
Iri (dew/mist) - eli
Olu (lord) - Onu
Ro (cultivate) - Lo
Iru (seed) - Ilu
Akere (toad) - Akele
Ra (buy) - La
Erira (ants) - Elila
Ri (see) - Li
Ora (fat) - Ula
Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe
Eruru (ashes) - Elulu

Rule C*: Consonant mutation S to R/L
Ẹsẹ (leg) - Ẹrẹ
Eso (fruit) - Ero
Ẹsan (nine) - Ẹla
Se (block) - Re
Sø (throw) - Rø
Su (roast) - Rø


Rule D*: Consonant mutation S and SH to CH
It seems like the "Sh” sound is absent in some Igala lects, and they replace with a 'CH'... This dialect that lack the the [SH] sound seem to have become the Prestige dialect of Igala and therefore the standard dialect for all Igalas. Many Igalas when speaking still pronounce [SH] clearly whenever they come across it though. Some even pronounce [CH] as [SH], i.e Some Igalas pronounce the name Ocholi as Osholi.

Sheyi (done this) - Cheyi
Oshu (moon) - Ochu
Ishu (yam) - Uchu
Ashe (authority) - Ache
Isha (pot) - Ucha
Shu (defecate) - Chu

Rule E*: Consonant mutation J to BŸ
Aja (dog) - Abya
Eje (seven) - Ebye
Ẹjẹ (blood) - Ẹbyẹ

Rule F*: Consonant mutation W to GW and from hard palatal sounds to Gliding Palatal just like in the South-Eastern Yorubaland dialects.
Ẹwa (beans) - Ẹgwa
Ku (die) - Kwu
Ekun (cry) - Ekwu
Oogun (sweat) - Uugwu
Wɛ (wash/bath) - Gwɛ
Wa (dig/drive) - Gwa

Rule G*: Consonant mutations between R / L / N and vice-versa
Oluku (friend) - Onukwu
Oloja (community leader) - Onoja
Ile/Ale (land) - Ane
Ale (night) - Ane
Ala (dream) - Ona
Enu/Arun (mouth) - Alu
Akpaara (thunder) - Akpabana
Alejo (visitor) - Anojo
Ola (tomorrow) - Ona
Arugbo (old person) - Anagbo
Lala/Nla/La (big) - Nana

Rule H*: Consonant mutation S to H
Esi (response) - Ohi
Osi (left) - Ehi
Se (cook) - Hi
Sé (Close up) - Re
Ẹsẹ (Foot) - Ẹrẹ
Eso (Fruit) - Ero
Throw (Sọ) - Rọ

Rule A* + B*
Eriñ (four) - Ele
Ọruñ (neck) - Ọlu
Iruñ (hair) - Ilo
Aruñ (five) - Alu
Erañ (meat) - Ela
Oruñ (sun) - Olu

Rule A* + C*
Ẹsañ (nine) - Ẹla
Suñ (sleep) - Lu

Rule A* +D*
Eshiñshiñ (housefly) - Achichi

Rule A* + F*
Egunguñ (bone) - Ogugu/Ogwugwu (Achikwu is a later innovation)
Iguñnu (vulture) - Ugwunu
Oguñ (twenty) - Ogwu

Rule A* +G*
Olokuñriñ (male) - Onokele
Olobiñriñ (female) - Onobule

Okunrin (man) - Okele
Obinrin (woman) - Obule

Rule B* + C*
Sure (run/hasten) - Rule

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Other Minor differencess with irregular rules
Bayii (like this) - Abayii
Ori (head) - Oji
Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø
Owo/Ogho (money) - Oko
Wo/Gho (look) - Go
Ijo (dance) - Ido (Ta is a later innovation)
Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya
Oru (midnight) - Odu
Iwowo (nudity) - Owowo
Eru (slave) - Adu
Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo
Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe
Akuko (coc.k) - Ayiko

And finally, false friend cognates (Words that look the same but have a slightly different meaning based on different paths of evolutionary usage.
Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed
Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat

Du in Yoruba - To contest an object
Du in Igala - To take an object

Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy
Oyu in Igala = Fat

Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice
Ebo in Igala - Deity

Edø in Yoruba = Liver (Heart in some Yoruba dialects)
Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest

Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces
Uwewe in igala = Many

ilɛ in Yoruba = Earth (as in land)
ilɛ in Igala = Earth (as in the planet)

Ji in Yoruba = Steal
Oji in Igala = Thief

Da in Yoruba = Split
Da in Igala = Cut

Kpekun in Yoruba = Finish
Kpeko in Igala = Filled

Ka in Yoruba = Cant / Count / Talkative
Ka in Igala = Talk / Speak


There are many countless words that are exactly the same in both languages and need no further elucidation since we are focusing more on what has made the two languages different over time.
That being said, there are many other words too that are very different... Hence the reason why Igala shares approximately only about 60% or so word cognates with the General Yoruba we speak. The 40-45% that do not align between both languages is already more than enough to make inter-comprehension between both very hard... The biggest chunk of non Yoruboid words in Igala is from the neighbouring Idoma according to some research.

With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.

Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.

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Efewestern:
Did I argue that the name belonged to us? That has never been our argument. I was only giving you good reasons why the Wado city project is valid as it helps in correcting many wrong impression about a city.

You are pretending not to know why the Waddo city project intensified. During the coronation. it was common to find statements like this in the media;

"The oil City of Warri gets a new king"
"The City in celebration as ..."

An average Nigerian can barely differentiate the difference between the Kingdom that got a new king and the city which is deep in the terrain of another ethnic group.

The Igbos are recent migrants to Warri and are not Indigenous to the place, so how then can you compare Igbo market to Main market? I'm talking about Ijaw here, a group of people that had ties with her neighbors for centuries. Infact that market was a trading spot for ancient Ijaw men and they have occupied that tiny piece of land for close to 200yrs now.

And have I said I am personally against Wado city? Infact Goodluck with making it work. Itsekiris can face their Warri squarely, while Urhobos can face Wado. No more confusion or mix-ups. Win Win.

As for the second part of your submission, no comment, because you are pretending like you dont know that even within the Niger delta there are still internal migrations of people. In case you don't know Thousands of Ilajes are now permanent citizens of coastal Delta state... but they are not claiming landlordship status. The difference is that Ijaw will migrate somewhere and start claiming to own the place after barely 1 generation. If you pretend like you don't know this then I will know you are not sincere.

BTW.... There are some veery old igboid elements of Ndokwa/Aboh extraction in Warri. If you want to go there you can let me know.

Zooposki:
Well, I’m just a third party observer and wondered if there was a nefarious reason behind all the pomp and pageantry, given the antecedents of the Yoruboid speaking people, but if you say it’s just respect for the traditional institution, whom am I to argue. But I still believe I’m right given my honed senses from my love of reading true crime books.

Which antecedents of Yoruboid people?

Since you want to go there;
Na Yoruboid people go plot coup that plunge Nigeria into civil war?
Na Yoruboid people go contest to become premier in another people's region to lord there?
Na Yoruboid people treat Adaka Boro fuckup?
Na Yoruboid people invade Midwest?

Kwantinuu...

Zooposki:
I’m not Urhobo but I discerned what the Itshekiris were trying to achieve. I did not voice it out then but I knew you guys were trying to steal their land, hence the pomp, the visits from Yoruba governors etc etc. It all started long ago from the change of Nana of Itshekiri to Olu of Warri. I give credit to the urhobos for their fast action in changing the name to Wado city. I guess they too were onto your slick plans.

Nana of Itsekiri to Olu of Warri ke? Lmao
That coronation pain Urhobos like mad that they couldn't even hide the green eyes... Whyyyy? Even me was begining to wonder ..... Look at it this way, Urhobos also have their Ovies and Orodjes they can pull an even bigger ceremony in the event that any of them passes to the great beyond. You can't fault Itsekiris for respecting their traditional institutions and celebrating the coronation of an Olu with glee and fanfare. Na their culture. Ira Iwerre only have one King all over the world, at least you should understand that.

Besides, I have never seen an Itsekiri laying wholesome claims to Udu, Okpe or Uvwie Warri... not even Effurun.... The coronation wasn't even in the main Warri city... what are you talking about? ... The Olu have since visited several Okpe and Urhobo kings from the Warri metropolis to extend a hand of friendship and cooperation..Baba you only saw what you wanted to see o.

Balogunodua:
They only lay claim to those place online in reality they won't dare such...

Hehe... Obviously.
But dem get mouth for Bayelsa and somehow in Delta sha.

Thoh:
Egbema in Imo are acculturated Ijaws.

lol, similarity in name is where it ends. There are several examples across Nigeria.
You people have started.

Thoh:
They are not.

Ijaws were unjustly balkanized into six States when all Ijaw areas are as big as the South East of Nigeria and share perfect boundaries with each other.

No south east state is homogeneous.

Imo is 100% Igbo.

Idiko1:
Please if you are drunk, I beg you to get sober. Ijaw in Port Harcourt are bona fide tenants. There was court case which legally informed these characters called Ijaw to thread very carefully in Igweocha (Port Harcourt). Ironically, the presiding judge was Ijaw too.

So they are squatters in PH too?

Lothaire:
Yorubas are pathetic cowards who can't even defend themselves in real life but have big mouth online. Bunch of pathetic worthless fvcktards.And if you are a Yoruba,I owe you no apology.

Yorubas still tower above you in all imaginable endeavours of life. A world renowned people with CLASS... your worthless online ad-hominem attacks won't put one kobo in my pocket. Why should I care about your silly self or your worthless tribe? Werrey.

Efewestern:
Main market belongs to Ijaw. No matter how small it is, the land still belongs to Ijaw and we must accept that reality.

How and when I decide to rename my land should be of no concern to anyone. If you are on Social media during that time of the coronation you would see how the entire city were erroneously labeled as part of Iwere when in reality, almost every part of the modern city are in Uvwie, Udu and Okpe.

Isn't that enough reason to rename one's land? What's the pride in even living in denial and falsehood? You want the outside community to believe you own a city that is majorly in other people's territory.

Talk about inferiority complex.

Good for you. I am only pointing out the timing. ... the inferiority complex is rather in the reverse. A people who can't bear the pomp of an ordinary coronation. Infact during the coronation Urhobos were the ones making jest of itsekiris that they had to go to Ode Itsekiri to coronate the Olu. You are trying to do reverse psychology... just be proud with your full chest that Warri the name has always been an Itsekiri entity... And that Urhobos have now realized that fact, hence the push for a name change to their areas.

Please, when did markets become towns and villages? Who is the king of the ogbe ijoh fish market? So Igbo market in Agbasa now belongs to Ibos? I like your logic.

Lothaire:
ikwerres chase ijaws out of Port Harcourt? When? Drop Link to backup your claims. Or you think ijaws are pathetic worthless
useless stupid Yoruba people who were chase out of Akwa ibom by an ordinary minority?

See as you dey rejoice say Ibeno people in Akwa Ibom gang up kill the vastly outnumbered Ilajes who are hundreds of miles away from their home base all the way in Ondo.. hmm

Efewestern:
You may have no problem with the Wado city tag but it raised some dust and I sincerely don't know why your cousins are fusing about it. I want to rename my ancestral land, why should that be a problem to anyone?

The Ijaws in Warri South only occupy Main market/Ogbeijoh market then the waterside.

Well there is no Ijaw settlements there... Ogbe Ijoh is not WS... Markets are not permanent settlements btw.
Yes it raised dust because it smacked of some level of insincerity... Ejiro had to bring it up days after the coronation of the new Olu and the massive recognition and national coverage accorded the Itsekiri. Are you saying it was in no way connected?

Efewestern:
The Waddo city advocates have some legit reasons for their agitation. The City of Warri is more or less in other LGAs other than the Warri South itself which we now regard as "OLD WARRI."

The modern city is in;
Uvwie
Okpe
Udu.

These three LGAs back then were of no much influence in the early 70's when the tussle of who owns Warri South was at its peak.

As we speak, the city is growing deeper and deeper into other Urhobo LGAs and might catch up with Ughelli South which is already happening (Places like Agbarho are gradually being integrated into the city).

This is a fact others don't know that the Wado city advocates are pushing. Left for me, I careless. More than 90% of the city are in my terrain, so why should I argue about a name?

LoL

I am not against the concept of Wado city.... If the Urhobos feel like the Name Warri which belogs to the Itsekiri is disenfranchising to them, and they chose to rename their areas something else, it is all within their rights to do so.
At least with that, the issue between Urhobo and Itsekiri can actually start having clear nodes for resolution.

Na the ijaw issue gangan dey controversial.... Which was why I quoted that OP who is very likely Ijaw. Please what are the indigenous Ijaw towns in Warri South?

Iceberg3:
Iceberg3 the Osulistic Ọdẹ boy

See this one.. still stalking me after all these years on NL like a homeless hobo
Jobless MoFo .. You no dey even shame for your life small, shinedu.
No Lefelendum no Erection

All those Ijaw villages you are calling Warri are not Warri.. LMAO

WhizdomXX:
Okere -Urhobo kingdom and Agbassa Warri kingdom are integral parts of the Urhobo Warri empire.

Just like Ugbolokposo in Uvwie is an Integral part of the Warri kingdom of itsekiri....No?

LMAOOOO

If you are not a MUMU you will know that more than 90% of those lights east of the Niger and in the areas of the far south are from oil rigs and burning gas flares…. You can even see that there are some brightly lit areas in the water

Precinct bawo? LMAO

You are putting your energy in the wrong venture