₦airaland Forum

PVision2020:
You and your people have a penchant for arguing blindly without evidence.
As early as 1850 Akara & Oga (O ga in Yoruba means someone higher or greater) was used in Yoruba Bible to connote Bread and the Most High (Oga-Ogo). Breaking of bread in Yoruba theology is called E bukara. Show me any Igbo text around 1850 or earlier that has the word Akara or Oga.

Okro is a corruption of the English word Okra.
Yorubas call Okra Ila and ogbono orun-ila

You are right, but Ogbono is 'Apon' not Orunla.
You might have heard the popular Yoruba song; "E lo ja'wo ninu apon ti ko yo".... telling people to stop promoting bad behaviour. "Apon ti ko yo... i.e Apon soup wey no draw"

Orunla is another type of soup.... you may want to correct that.

A lot of Africans FELL HARD for the initial media propaganda that was so prevalent in the initial stages…. And it is even more surprising that entire national governments in Africa fell for the western media hullabaloo as well.

And that is why looking back retrospectively now- Most of them would be having a serious rethink and wished they had remained neutral.

E don crash into Barents sea after crossing into Russian Airspace..

RichDad1:
These are some of the pictures of the Anambra International Airport taunted to be one of the best in the country.

National Passanger Cargo can be clearly seen written on the top of the third picture…. So, you might actually be right on something.

Time to replace Russia in Europe

BKayy:
E don finally shock you.
This is what my superior reasoning do to history revisionists. It sends them running.

No come and answer the question. Tell us who you are referring to as Ijaw?

Bringing revisions of 1980 upwards to contest of facts and logic.

One last advice "You see those revisions you Yorubas are fooling yourselves with? It will be the doom of your nation"

Okay??.??
I have posted the leads here for those who genuinely want to read and find out more, so my work is done. The best thing about threads like this is those who come to read.
Mr doom predictor lol.

BKayy:
Fabrics in Itsekiri was from Bini.
Ijaw that traded with Yoruba is those (that calls themselves Ijaw) around present day Ondo axis but those in Rivers and Delta were under Aro and Aboh jurisdiction respectively.

BTW, who exactly are you referring to as Ijaw?

lol...i'm done with you.
Peace.

BKayy:
Lets finish with your confusion on Igbo textiles first before I reconstruct you on bronzes.
So tell me why Capt Hugh Crow that spent 20+ years in Bonny and Niger Delta never met this mysterious Ijaw people that sold clothes to Ndigbo but documented Igbo indigenous textiles?

Was it after 1980 that the ghosts of those mysterious Ijaws started directing the revisionist that sought to link Igbo achievements to Yoruba pathetic borrowed uniforms?

Oh wow, Hugh Crow spent 20+ years in Bonny but Never mentioned everything about Ijaws trading with Ijebu because he is all knowing but several other sources from other European talk about Long standing trade in fabrics between Ijebus, Itsekiris and Ijaws...... How confusing that must be for you

BKayy:
LOL. All articles started from 1980
You Yorubas are deeply Shameless.

Now you want to use your articles of 1980 upwards after the fall of Eastern Region to revise the history of first impression by the Europeans that dates 1800s

The history from the Europeans like I posted stated clearly of indigenous Igbo textiles and neighbouring nations to Igboland getting their textiles from there but from 1980, driven by inferiority complex Yorubas have made it a point of duty to link Igbo textiles to what they borrowed from Fulani

coming from someone posting pictures from the same 1900s to prove a certain point, this is very rich.
So first impression of Europeans said Ijebu designs didn't come through ijaw intermediaries into Ndoki land. SMH..!

BKayy:
LOL. None knows stupidity like a Yoruba man that is hunting to rewrite other people's accomplishment in a bid to have a stake in it.
You people once claim that you have the oldest artifact until carbon dating proved that the oldest bronze in Southern Nigeria is from Igbo-Ukwu. Although ignoramuses like you will still doubt for noisemaking sake.

lol, carbon dating of Igbo ukwu works are still highly contended and controversial in academic circles because of the methods employed but that is a story for another time. You still can't prove that Igbo ukwu is older than ife, even with the 9th century ascribed to igbo ukwu artefact.

BKayy:
You asked what is special in the Ikenga? If it wasn't special, you wouldn't have said such. It literally reduced your Yoruba artifact to work of simple people when placed side by side.

You be proper clown, so some carved Ikenga wood from sometime shortly before independence is what you are comparing with an African art classic in the same calibre as Egypt?
So you think there aren't countless pieces of carved work from Yorubaland with even more astounding intricacy and with far older chronological stamps from Yorubaland or what? Is that how shallow your history is?

BKayy:
LOL @ your ignorance. "contract weaver for Ijaws" lol.
Is it the ijaws that are under Aboh and Aro jurisdictions?
Not only "University of Lowa" but Iyowa. You people are too funny. You think attaching "University" to the back of fraudulent work makes it authentic?
This was exactly what you tried with University of Ibadan. Once it is not first person report or from extensive proven archaeological research. It is just propaganda.

BTW, are you talking about these ijaws?

Goodness me! your understanding is quite shallow.
So "contract weavers" is what unhinged you to go off on another tangent? loool... You have issues o abi you don't know what patronage entails? Isn't this esteem issues oozing out like this....

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Igbo Women and Economic Transformation in Southeastern ... - Page 68; Gloria chuku, 2005

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Akwete Weaving: A Study of Change in Response to the Palm oil trade.. Lisa Aronson 1982

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Textiles of Africa - Page 97, Dale Idiens, ‎Kenneth G. Ponting · 1980

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Cloth as Metaphor: Nigerian Textiles from the Museum of ... - Page 54
Jean Borgatti, ‎University of California, Los Angeles. Museum of Cultural History

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Jean Borgatti, ‎University of California, Los Angeles. Museum of Cultural History

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Ebiegberi Joe Alagoa, ‎Tekena N. Tamuno · 1989 Land and People of Nigeria: Rivers State - Page 108


Chei, Yorubas have corrupted various sources online with Lagos-Ibadan media lies ooo. How vile can these people be that they are making Igbos, Europeans and Ijaws write lies about history like this.

BKayy:
If you have an atom of knowledge in history, you would have known that Akwete is the name of the town that manufactures the cloth

You post links to "university websites". You must be talking of the same university website like Ibadan press that published Alagoas fake history.
Yorubas are known for lies and this discussion is a proof.

There is a big difference between historic records and articles. The latter can't supercede or stand when the first is presented.

As for that artifact you post as maybe your last surviving chance of being alive in the argument, you should have imagined what my reply will be.
You can compare with the Ikenga below

Whenever Ndigbo are talking about history, innovation, and ancient civilisations, you Yorubas should keep shut and lower your heads. We are not mate, we initiate while you people are influenced by others

Yes Akwete is the town and that is exactly why I was talking about the place called Akwete and how they became contract weavers for Ijaws who liked the Yoruba textiles traded with them. Have I stated otherwise or are you just thick? Lmao.

University of Iowa is now a blog.
Alive in what argument you have absolutely no points, this is AM comedy.... But I get it, you need to make up for a lot..... your threads with superlative titles says all I need to know.... you've been lying from page 1 and continue lying only to say some people"lie a lot", even claiming "some igbo politicians" started wearing agbada-like styles out of 'forced inclusion in nigeria' ... Who forced these igbo people to wear agbada?

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Your long texts won't save you from that inner emptiness...

Btw.... what's special about that contemporary wooden ikenga?

BKayy:
They say great civilisation think alike but the main aim of the picture is about the materials. Unlike you, Ndigbo didn't have any single contact with Fulani until Nigeria was established.
Putting cloth halfway across the shoulders is an ancient way of dressing which Ndigbo as well as Greeks, Romans,, Berbers, the Amharas of Ethiopia, Jews, Massai of Kenya and other impressive civilisations share.
Yorubas can't be out in the same line with these great civilisations because you don't even wear clothes.

That Obi of Onitsha dressing is a proof of great civilisation (Igbo, Greek, Romans etc) thinking alike

Ohhh, so The Fulanis that showed up in Yorubaland in late 1700s or later introduced clothing to Yorubas who had been weaving and dyeing for eras before then (for some weird reason you seem to think a race of nomad herders were busy innovating and introducing weaving to others), Meanwhile, The igalas that colonized northern igboland and civilized them from at least the 16th century brought nothing. or were they naked savages too?
Your standards are so double edged.,... but not that I am surprised.

BKayy:
"Disgrace me?" what are you waiting for? Bring it on.

It is quite a shame that you Yorubas sedentary lifestyle of not travelling much also reflect in your reading. You don't read past outside the lies you deceive yourselves with about yourself in your backwards region.
The level illiteracy and ignorance about other nations in Yorubaland is quite alarming. I doubt there is a single Yoruba man that knows shit about their neighbours talkless of those of entirely different culture like Ndigbo.

You might need to have a word with Captain Hugh Crow on Igbo not having cotton and making cotton clothes

lol. I said in Akwete which is the exact location in discourse, you are posting an 1800s voyage of a European writing about the whole of igboland....

He even says Yorubas were naked...lmao... is this how to be naked in your books?

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I won't waste my time arguing with you, I can see you have a penchant for avoiding main points, lying and diverting the discussion elsewhere. I post links to University websites, and you keep calling them "Yoruba blogs" to keep yourself happy. To me, a discussion with you will lead to nothing but more lies... I had to go look at some of your previous cloud 9 threads. LMAO.

Continue posting colorized pictures of scantily dressed Aniomas from the 1900s like say na one kain ancient image.... You go dey alright las las.

And OP said you guys are cultural vultures, you are typing rubbish as if he lied.

bundarina:
What I've seen is igbo take bits abd pieces of other groups traditional attire and say they 'also do it' when pre modern photos show that they didn't. I saw a tiktok of this American igbo people wearing Efik attire, Yoruba Gele and Edo attire as igbo culture.

Can igbo cultural figures come together and create a cultural attire that isn't copying and pasting other ethnicities attire. They'd say they wore like edo attire too without the Edo crown bead work but that's not true. Historical photos confirm this.

Some say that they wore a head wear similar to Gele called Ichafu, when Ichafu was actually an handkerchief they wore to church that came with colonialism. Ichafu is also a loan word from the French chef, and looked nothing like Yoruba Gele and the way it was styled. That's a given as historical photos show and both ethnicities were not in direct contact or neighbors, prior to the modern word.

So what's is actual igbo attire devoid of borrowing? And Isiagu is recent and imported, but i can respect it. Some other ethnicities in Cameroon, also within that Nigerian region have started the cultural borrowing too, mimicking their neighbors.

Video in question of a common example of the cultural outfit copy and paste. I will post screen shots since i can't post tiktoks.

Very true.
Some will even wear other cultural styles, appropriate it and then turn back to argue with the cultural proprietors.

Btw, what igbos call "ichafu" is not borrowed from "Chef" but from old french into english "chiffon" meaning a small piece of fabric or rag... the type handmaids would typically tie on their heads while doing domestic work or which women would typically use in catholic churches.

More evidence of the early Yoruba Ijebu influence on Akwete designs.

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BKayy:
Yoruba has no indigenous clothing except for animal skin. So I wonder what you thought your people were trading.
Akwete (so named after the town that weaves it) is traditional indigenous Igbo cloth that spread across Old Eastern region nations. Put it this way as something uniting Ndigbo with Ibibio, Efik, Annang etc. I have seen many propose theories mainly hamitic to make it second but never have I seen one as petty as yours.
"from West to East?" my dear you need to have indigenous cloth to export one.

As for Yoruba indigenous animal skin clothing and what you people now claim as yours. Look at the pictures below.
1st /2nd pic = Yoruba Prince in traditional animal skin.
3rd pic= The Fulani clothing, they (Fulani) clothed Yorubas with. The picture is of Sudanese Fulani

I am not here to revise those blog articles you Yorubas fool yourselves with. If it is not 1st person recorded history or reasonable discovery, it is not fact.
1st pic

looool.. The mere fact that you are so combative and insultive about facts of history is very telling.
.... if your thinking was not upside down, you would know that all Sub saharan African ethnic groups used animal skins as forms of ceremonial garb. Yorubas would occasionally use animal skins in things like ceremonial functions, that much is not new.... but trust me, the weaving of cotton and other typically savannah crops got to the Yorubas before it did the igbos.
And to say Yoruba had only things like leopard skin as clothing shows how much you have to learn still.

You posted picture of Burkinabe Fulani (which you think was taken in sudan ) in typical pan-sudanic clothing shared by several groups and ascribe it to the creation of Fulas...lol. You don't even know that typical Fulanis were only very scantily dressed. Till today nomadic fulani are still barely covered.... some of their people with limited contact with civilizing groups still move about with b*o0bs out.

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Ok, let me do what you did above to show you how foo*lish you look ... the pictures below are the typical Fulani dressings. And infact, the group that wears them till today are arguably the oldest and most culturally conservative fulani.

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Old Oyo was in the savannah plains right with the Nupe, Bariba, Songhay, and further afield; Hausa and Mali areas you mentioned, and of course there was cultural diffusion and many aspect of shared similarity, who is denying that? Lmao That is how civilization and spread of ideas work in a typical world. So, while the earliest form of the agbada style may have been developed somewhere in the sahara desert, I haven't come across any peer reviewed article that categorically states the ethnicity that developed it.... and that style today is as Nupe as it is Yoruba or Fula...... except of course each group (most especially the Yorubas) have domesticated it even further and adapted it to something uniquely theirs.... But one thing is sure, it is NEVER Igbo, and yet you lots wear it, which only proves the thread OP right!

Now to the question of diffusion of Aso olona styles from the Ijebu riverine areas into the east... there are plenty of scholarly articles for you to go read about it.... not blog posts like you keep yapping. If it massages your ego to keep thinking that it idn't happen , all well and good.... But what the OP said is something I have noticed to be indeed true. In a typical Igbo event, you will see cut and join culture from all over Nigeria, Europe and the Americas.... from European walking sticks and trousers to East Asian batiks, damasks, velvets and other fabric, to North African Maghrebi and Ottoman fez hats, to European styled crowns and fashion canes to European introduced hats to Edo styles to Yoruba styles to everything basically. .... Anyways, borrowing is not a crime.

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^^ As you can see even the cotton akwete women wove with was imported because cotton would not grow naturally in a place like Akwete.

Yoruba clothing history is way more extensive and older than anything from igboland, don't let me disgrace you here with books of real life accounts (which you so hungrily crave for) of what writers of yore met in igboland.

If I ask you to explain the ideas conveyed on those akwete designs based on the igbo culture, will you be able to do so? Those designs all have meaning in Yoruba from the ifa corpus, the ogboni symbolisms and the Ijebu Ekine cult.

This guy must be very silly I swear....

The obi of Onitsha and the other Aniomas must have copied their dressing from this Fulani boy on the left.... How dare he wear an inner shirt and throw fabric across his shoulder... Both of them even have brass ornaments on their arms close to the elbow.... damn copy cats!!

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bomb24:
Akwete clothing styles is entirely different from Ijebu my-friend, drop your stupid propaganda..

He is right.... most Akwete designs and styles come from the Ijebu Yoruba clothing called Aso Olona with motifs made in the osugbo.ogboni, Awo/ifa and itagbe designs etc.... the Ijebu waterside people traded it via the coast with the Ijaws who then introduced it to the Ndokis.
Google Aso Olona and then google akwete cloth and notice the undeniable diffuion of ideology from west to east.

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Lmaoooooo

Funny thread responses

Fon

See all of them mentioning that it is because of Lagos effect.....
All of a sudden, Lagos is not 60% Igbo again. Reality sets in. Lmao.

Comedic.

This is a paper on ogiri production from 5 SW states.
Ogiri is made from all sorts of oil bearing seeds. So, like probz said, there is Ogiri from Melon, Cotton fruit, watermelon, castor bean, groundnut, etc.

Guess the only state that was missing.... Your guess is as good as mine (Lagos)

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What is the next word/item in contention?

IkpuMmadu:
no be only Anambra na Ebonyi you be....


Ogiri isi is an igbo word... Yoruba call theirs Iru

Deal with it oga correctness

Nigerian tribalists and their obstinacy without proof.

Read and learn...... Honestly I think Lagos has an overwhelming or disproportionate influence on how Yorubas as a whole are being perceived.
People whoa re not Yoruba will be arguing with Yorubas from the deep interior about what is Yoruba and what isn't, smh.

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cc Probz

samuk:
Pa Idu is not new history, you should ask yourself why the Igbo call Benin people Idu people, this is even assuming that you know that the Igbo call Benin Idu land.

lol, Pa Idu is not a new invention, but everything written about him up there is pure fabrication laced with some commonly known myths to give it some authenticity.

Truthvalue41:
The title Oba is just as alien to the "yorubas" as the title emir. The only owner of the title Oba lives in Benin city. His title means king of kings. I wish yoruba would know themselves before their constant guessing of history.

lol another Benin on the rampage from their whatsapp and Facebook meeting to steal Yoruba heritage.
Obalufon, Obameri, Oba Olu Aye, and Obatala are Benin characters I guess..... Better go back to your "Ogie" title if you want to be seen as real Igodomigodo…. It’s so funny because every single tribe in Edo state knows this except the fraction of Binis bent on hiding truth .

Imasuen churning out "New History" (not intended to be an oxymoron) every day.

BKayy:
Ghana, Equatorial Guinea, Angola etc in Africa has more EEZ than Nigeria.

Remember that Equatorial Guinea is 28,00km2 which is less than Akwa Ibom + Cross Rivers (27,000km2)

Equatorial Guinea EEZ= 303,509 km2
Nigeria EEZ = 217,313 km2

cc Igboid and Hammer567

EEZ is not based on the size of your country. It is based on the portion of your land which are littoral or bordered by a continental oceanic shelf, and are not close enough to any other land belonging to another country. Otherwise, the EEZ delineation will have to go halfway between both countries.
Take a look at the pic below. The EEZ of Equatorial Guinea is in red, and as you can probably tell by now Islands do help a lot.... Why? because they are completely surrounded by water, and as such can claim the EEZ in a 360 degree direction all around.
You can also clearly see why the Ghanaian EEZ is larger. there are no islands belonging to other countries off the Ghanaian coast.

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