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BKayy:

Yoruba has no indigenous clothing except for animal skin. So I wonder what you thought your people were trading.
Akwete (so named after the town that weaves it) is traditional indigenous Igbo cloth that spread across Old Eastern region nations. Put it this way as something uniting Ndigbo with Ibibio, Efik, Annang etc. I have seen many propose theories mainly hamitic to make it second but never have I seen one as petty as yours.
"from West to East?" my dear you need to have indigenous cloth to export one.

As for Yoruba indigenous animal skin clothing and what you people now claim as yours. Look at the pictures below.
1st /2nd pic = Yoruba Prince in traditional animal skin.
3rd pic= The Fulani clothing, they (Fulani) clothed Yorubas with. The picture is of Sudanese Fulani

I am not here to revise those blog articles you Yorubas fool yourselves with. If it is not 1st person recorded history or reasonable discovery, it is not fact.
1st pic

looool.. The mere fact that you are so combative and insultive about facts of history is very telling.
.... if your thinking was not upside down, you would know that all Sub saharan African ethnic groups used animal skins as forms of ceremonial garb. Yorubas would occasionally use animal skins in things like ceremonial functions, that much is not new.... but trust me, the weaving of cotton and other typically savannah crops got to the Yorubas before it did the igbos.
And to say Yoruba had only things like leopard skin as clothing shows how much you have to learn still.

You posted picture of Burkinabe Fulani (which you think was taken in sudan ) in typical pan-sudanic clothing shared by several groups and ascribe it to the creation of Fulas...lol. You don't even know that typical Fulanis were only very scantily dressed. Till today nomadic fulani are still barely covered.... some of their people with limited contact with civilizing groups still move about with b*o0bs out.

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Ok, let me do what you did above to show you how foo*lish you look ... the pictures below are the typical Fulani dressings. And infact, the group that wears them till today are arguably the oldest and most culturally conservative fulani.


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Old Oyo was in the savannah plains right with the Nupe, Bariba, Songhay, and further afield; Hausa and Mali areas you mentioned, and of course there was cultural diffusion and many aspect of shared similarity, who is denying that? Lmao That is how civilization and spread of ideas work in a typical world. So, while the earliest form of the agbada style may have been developed somewhere in the sahara desert, I haven't come across any peer reviewed article that categorically states the ethnicity that developed it.... and that style today is as Nupe as it is Yoruba or Fula...... except of course each group (most especially the Yorubas) have domesticated it even further and adapted it to something uniquely theirs.... But one thing is sure, it is NEVER Igbo, and yet you lots wear it, which only proves the thread OP right!

Now to the question of diffusion of Aso olona styles from the Ijebu riverine areas into the east... there are plenty of scholarly articles for you to go read about it.... not blog posts like you keep yapping. If it massages your ego to keep thinking that it idn't happen , all well and good.... But what the OP said is something I have noticed to be indeed true. In a typical Igbo event, you will see cut and join culture from all over Nigeria, Europe and the Americas.... from European walking sticks and trousers to East Asian batiks, damasks, velvets and other fabric, to North African Maghrebi and Ottoman fez hats, to European styled crowns and fashion canes to European introduced hats to Edo styles to Yoruba styles to everything basically. .... Anyways, borrowing is not a crime.

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https://africa.uima.uiowa.edu/topic-essays/show/19?start=22

^^ As you can see even the cotton akwete women wove with was imported because cotton would not grow naturally in a place like Akwete.

Yoruba clothing history is way more extensive and older than anything from igboland, don't let me disgrace you here with books of real life accounts (which you so hungrily crave for) of what writers of yore met in igboland.

If I ask you to explain the ideas conveyed on those akwete designs based on the igbo culture, will you be able to do so? Those designs all have meaning in Yoruba from the ifa corpus, the ogboni symbolisms and the Ijebu Ekine cult.

This guy must be very silly I swear....

The obi of Onitsha and the other Aniomas must have copied their dressing from this Fulani boy on the left.... How dare he wear an inner shirt and throw fabric across his shoulder... Both of them even have brass ornaments on their arms close to the elbow.... damn copy cats!!

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bomb24:



Akwete clothing styles is entirely different from Ijebu my-friend, drop your stupid propaganda..

He is right.... most Akwete designs and styles come from the Ijebu Yoruba clothing called Aso Olona with motifs made in the osugbo.ogboni, Awo/ifa and itagbe designs etc.... the Ijebu waterside people traded it via the coast with the Ijaws who then introduced it to the Ndokis.
Google Aso Olona and then google akwete cloth and notice the undeniable diffuion of ideology from west to east.

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Lmaoooooo

Funny thread responses

Fon

See all of them mentioning that it is because of Lagos effect.....
All of a sudden, Lagos is not 60% Igbo again. Reality sets in. Lmao.

Comedic.

This is a paper on ogiri production from 5 SW states.
Ogiri is made from all sorts of oil bearing seeds. So, like probz said, there is Ogiri from Melon, Cotton fruit, watermelon, castor bean, groundnut, etc.

Guess the only state that was missing.... Your guess is as good as mine (Lagos)

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What is the next word/item in contention?

IkpuMmadu:
no be only Anambra na Ebonyi you be....


Ogiri isi is an igbo word... Yoruba call theirs Iru

Deal with it oga correctness

Nigerian tribalists and their obstinacy without proof.

Read and learn...... Honestly I think Lagos has an overwhelming or disproportionate influence on how Yorubas as a whole are being perceived.
People whoa re not Yoruba will be arguing with Yorubas from the deep interior about what is Yoruba and what isn't, smh.

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samuk:
Pa Idu is not new history, you should ask yourself why the Igbo call Benin people Idu people, this is even assuming that you know that the Igbo call Benin Idu land.

lol, Pa Idu is not a new invention, but everything written about him up there is pure fabrication laced with some commonly known myths to give it some authenticity.

Truthvalue41:
The title Oba is just as alien to the "yorubas" as the title emir. The only owner of the title Oba lives in Benin city. His title means king of kings. I wish yoruba would know themselves before their constant guessing of history.

lol another Benin on the rampage from their whatsapp and Facebook meeting to steal Yoruba heritage.
Obalufon, Obameri, Oba Olu Aye, and Obatala are Benin characters I guess..... Better go back to your "Ogie" title if you want to be seen as real Igodomigodo…. It’s so funny because every single tribe in Edo state knows this except the fraction of Binis bent on hiding truth .

Imasuen churning out "New History" (not intended to be an oxymoron) every day.

BKayy:

Ghana, Equatorial Guinea, Angola etc in Africa has more EEZ than Nigeria.

Remember that Equatorial Guinea is 28,00km2 which is less than Akwa Ibom + Cross Rivers (27,000km2)

Equatorial Guinea EEZ= 303,509 km2
Nigeria EEZ = 217,313 km2

cc Igboid and Hammer567

EEZ is not based on the size of your country. It is based on the portion of your land which are littoral or bordered by a continental oceanic shelf, and are not close enough to any other land belonging to another country. Otherwise, the EEZ delineation will have to go halfway between both countries.
Take a look at the pic below. The EEZ of Equatorial Guinea is in red, and as you can probably tell by now Islands do help a lot.... Why? because they are completely surrounded by water, and as such can claim the EEZ in a 360 degree direction all around.
You can also clearly see why the Ghanaian EEZ is larger. there are no islands belonging to other countries off the Ghanaian coast.

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BKayy:

I don't think the Aboki is correct in that statement that the size of Nigeria is the determinant factor of Nigerian territorial sea because Benin Republic has more sea claim than Nigeria and if I can remember very well, Benin Republic is not up to half of Nigeria in land mass.

Nigeria's territorial sea claim is: 12nm
While Benin Republic Sea claim is: 200nm

Even small Togo is: 30nm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

This is just territorial waters not Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ)

Nigeria can apply for an extension of its territorial waters if it so wishes.

Igboid:


But there is a factor people are not considering regarding the offshore fields.

NIGERIA only have claim to these fields because of our landmass that the North contribute the bulk of. As you level of claim to intercontinental waters I learnt is determined by your landmass.
If there is disintegration of NIGERIA, Akwaibom might not have enough landmass to claim those oil Wells from other smaller countries in the region like Cameroon, Gabon, Equitorial Guinea, etc.

What do you think about this?

That is Fulani wayo lies breh. All sovereign nations, no matter how tiny have exclusive navigational and exploratory rights to their territorial waters as well as the right to exploit the natural resources embedded in the shelf of their Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZs). Size's got nothing to do with it.
Even a sovereign speck of littoral land will have an EEZ as long as it is a natural landform (not reclaimed/landfilled/artificial). That is why some of these old colonial powers like France are clutching hard to their offshore islands not wanting to let go of them.

mrvitalis:

LMAO most Nigeria offshore oil are on productive except the few that are in the deep sea where no one gets 13%

The rest are used to collect loan abroad n live as big boys by the owners

How is this reply relevant to the topic??
Most Akwa Ibom oilfields are offshore. (Both shallow and deep) and they are always in number 1 or 2- flip flopping with Delta for top spot.
If you notice- they are one of the few oil producing states that don’t have much issues with oil spills and land degradation.

You better rethink any previous notion that you might have had.

mrvitalis:

Eche and omuma , ekpeye these are the other oil producers in rivers State the ijaws barely produce 20% of rivers oil this is me even calling opobo , andoni and bonny ijaws ooh only bile kingdom is the major oil producers in ijaw land and they claim they are not ijaws

lol... you think oil ends Onshore?
The Ijaw (Rivers) territorial waters shallow and deep field offshore plus onshore production alone catapult them past all Igboid rivers put together.

Ijaws.

Delta ijaw fields
Bayelsa Ijaw fields
Rivers Ijaw fields.
They move into number one. (1st)

Ibibios don't have oil unless you are considering the Orons, Obolos and Ibenos as part of a meta-ethnicity called "Ibibio""...
That would push them into number 2. (2nd)

Then the Igboid groups (Including Ukwuani and Ekpeye) all together would come third. (3rd)

Then itsekiris would come Fourth. (4th)

My unbiased Opinion.

MrMaestro:
Yorubas dominate the list of Africa’s Digital Landscape.

https://www.theafricareport.com/146660/africas-digital-top-40/amp/

Maad o.

Evolution at work.

Just woooow

Seun, Lalasticlala, Mynd44

FallenShitHole:

All the websites above which you quoted have nothing to do with your posted statistics. All what you posted can easily be designed by anyone. FAKE!!

Information is free, however Interpretation, expression and representation of Data requires people who actually have a functioning brain to do that. That you can't pull out statistics from an open resource website is no fault of anyone.
Data is free.

plaindealer:



Ethiopians are second on that list because the US let in tens of thousands of them as refugees, but Nigerians hustled in all kinds of ways to get to the US including as fee paying students, you must highlight that context and variables..

Btw, why must Nigerians have larger numbers than other African countries? Are we in some kind of competition?

Unless you are suggesting it now, I have only made a submission on numbers and per-capita representation in response to someone else's opinion that the reason Nigerians can no longer partake in the U.S Visa lottery program is because we are already overrepresented in the U.S

FallenShitHole:

Stop talking garbage like a brainless mofo. The nigerians you see in USA are 98% Southern nigerians. That brings you to approximate 100Million nigerians. That's the number you can use to work on your so called mathematics.

Another pained MoFo getting abusive and agitated for no reason.
So the other countries where people emigrate to the US don't have regional imbalances in emigration as well? Look at the Ethiopia in my example, the majority of its American diaspora are Amharas , whereas Oromos are a majority back home. Has that stopped immigration into US?

Again, the majority of Ghana's diaspora are Akans from the South.

The overwhelming majority of the Cuban diaspora is white, whereas the Cuban population is more multiracial than it's US diaspora would suggest.... It isn't a new thing, and has got nothing to do with per-capita analysis.

When world bank comes and tells you that Nigeria's literacy rate is 62% , I wonder if you start ranting to them that the literacy in your southern state is over 90% instead and that they should scrap the figures.

plaindealer:

Ethiopians are second on that list because the US let in tens of thousands of them as refugees, but Nigerians hustled in all kinds of ways to get to the US including as fee paying students, you must highlight that context and variables..

Dude I only gave two examples. There are several more.... It's even more glaring when you look at ratios outside the continent, but within WA here; Sierra Leone, Liberia, Gambia, Guinea, Senegal and many more have much higher representation per capita/vis-a-vis their populations (at least comparatively speaking)
You didn't even address Ghana, the other example in my two example submission.

christistruth01:


The Balance is in Europe where it is heavily weighted in Nigeria's Favour

Which part of Europe?

OfoIgbo:


I don't remember arguing with you on this topic.

I'm even surprised Igbo speaking families are that much. Most ethnic Igbos don't bother teaching their kids Igbo, and that is why the EPIC channel on AfRICA Magic is the most widely viewed channel, on DSTV.

Now even though I don't have this data, but I expect the AM Yoruba channel on DSTV to be more widely viewed than the AM Igbo channel, b cause Igbos are much more likely to be watching AM Epic, which is 95% dominated by Igbo culture and settings.

Language attrition affects most Nigerian groups abroad at almost equal or similar levels. Even if there are nominal differences it shouldn't be bad to heavily throw off the figures by multiple factors. Africans like Somalis, Ethiopians and even Ghanaians are much more in tune with their indigenous languages and pass it on to their children compared to Nigerians across board.

As for Africa Magic channels, of course AM Yoruba is much more watched than AM Igbo. All Nigerians from all regions watch General AM channel from Benue to Ogun to Rivers.

LegendHero:


I think the reason USA gave them for exempting Nigerians was because more than, 50,000 natives of Nigerians immigrated to the United States in the previous five years.

Nigerians plenty normally, if not for the strict visa approval self, we go don reach millions for USA.

But think about this, Ghana; a country of 30 million people has 162K people in the US. If we were to go by proportional representation, then Nigeria with 7 times more people (over 200 million) should have at least 1.13 million people in the US proportionally, instead Nigerians are just 462K (2.8X Ghanaians)

Same goes with Ethiopia with 322K people with half Nigeria's population... if we do a 2X based on number of Ethiopians, then there should be at least 644K Nigerians in America.

The truth is that Compared to our population, the figure for Nigeria is very very low.... so, this perception that "Nigerians are already too much in the US" does not really sound all that to me actually especially if you look at other countries still enjoying the benefits of the visa lottery program.... Infact Nigerians are still "learning toddlers" when it comes to Global migration.... If you really want to know those who have made it a 'national program', go check the Filipinos, Eastern Europeans and the likes ... those ones migrate in the millions.