LightOnScams:

Moreover, the so called Eastern Yoruba dialects are considered the oldest of the Yoruba continum. We can't let them lose their originality. They are important to research and history. Forget the fake Okun Migration histories from Ile-Ife, they're fake. Okun are aboriginals.

Well, dynastic migrations of certain classes of people in Yoruba communities are not "fake" that actually did happen. Now, whether the entire populace of entire subgroups or towns all migrated from Ife is highly unlikely. But people did indeed leave Ife to many Yoruba towns and cities spreading ideologies, religion, certain trades, certain esoteric knowledge and perhaps most importantly ruling dynasties.

What is your motivation to teach this dialect on Nairaland? I am interested in knowing.
Have you seen many Yagba express interest in the past?

LegendHero:


I think they even sometimes count it to 9.

I’ve seen people use Ijarun well during statements.

Yeah, the thing continues going like that till even Ijẹẹdogun- 15 days ago, lol

Sehzade:
I'll start.

Hausa

Shekaran Jiya - The day before yesterday

Jiya - Yesterday

Yau - Today

Gobe - Tomorrow

Jibi - Day after tomorrow (overmorrow)

Gata - Day after the day after tomorrow

YORUBA
Ijẹrin - The day before the day before
Ijẹta- Day before yesterday
Ana - Yesterday
Oni - Today
Ọla - Tomorrow
Ọtunla - Day after tomorrow
Ọtunrin - The day after the day after

Eṣi - The general time/period before today
Ijelo - An indefinite number of days ago

LightOnScams:


That makes sense given that Agbaja oversaw the Kakanda area under the colonial rule. Yes, I was referring to the typical Nupe Kwaran region. I'll get the name and get back to you.

Emi tika. Mo gbe l'Ayere bi 2008-2009 li state hospital nka ti legbe LGA primary school nka. Amọ, me rọ fọ ede ghin tori o jọ ede Akokoid nghei. It is Akokoid and kinda endangered too. Ayere has the best garri ever .

The language in Ayere is called Uwu, and it belongs to the Uwu-Ahan branch of volta-Niger. An independent lineage. It isn't Akokoid, it is alone. the other single member of this branch, Ahan is spoken in just one small quarter of a village near Omuo ekiti.
Uwu/Ahan is not just kinda endangered, it is infact moribund, so much so that pure Ayere is now extinct which is sad because it represents an entire separate branch of the volta-Niger linguistic evolutionary tree.... so it is like an entire linguistic lineage like Yoruboid, Idomoid or igboid getting snuffed out.

Then that being said, taking a look at the word list of Uwu and Ahan, I am not even sure if it is an independent language or a dialect of Yoruba. About 50% of the word have Yoruboid cognates. But then again, this isn't surprising given that Ayere together with Akokoid and Yoruboid are all under the proposed Defoid branch.

Anyways, I am enjoying your lessons... keep it up.

LightOnScams:


Interesting, I can follow virtual all the Oworo conversations from Oshokoshoko axis and they understand my Yagba well. But when I listen to a Karara man speak, I'm like, wait what?

Yes, I have close Yagba friends from Kwara and they identify as Yagba too. Although I can't pinpoint the Kwara LGA or villages sha.

The Yagbas are the largest in population among the Okun subgroups and thus normal to find them splitted into three states. Our weakness tho.

You seem to be knowledgeable about the Okun people. Se we lára gha ni?

That is because karara axis is heavily influenced by Egbura Igu and Kakanda.... languages which oworos from that axis are many a times bilingual in. To the latter point, I am not referring to the Yagba-like speakers in Ekiti-kwara in places like Eruku .. I am referring specifically to some villages in Patigi. Yes Yagbas are the largest segment of Okun... infcat a goof 60-70% of Okun are actually Yagba with footprints in more than 3-4 of the Okun local governments

And to your question... I am just a Yoruba man who is very interested in all places that our people have footprints in. Se ehi? Oruko'm ki se Sholes0. Omaye re kim se. Wokun o opem.

LightOnScams:


I'll speak as a Yagba person who once lived in the Oworo/Kabba/Bunu axis. So my opinion may differ from the average Yagba person.

The ease of understanding is correlated with geographical proximity. For instance, the Oworo spoken in Apata/Obajana/Oshokoshoko axis differs from the Oworo spoken in Agbaja, Jakura, or even the closer Banda/Felele (Lokoja). The former group is closer linguistically to Bunu and thus easier to understand (for me) than the typical Oworo from Agbaja (Oworo Headquarters).

Bunu is similar to Owe to a very high degree. I don't know much about Ikiri tho, only heard it once. The average Bunu/Owe is closer to Yagba than it is to Oworo. I can testify since I know a Bassa friend who understands Bunu and can still spy on my Yagba conversations .

Oworo feels highly Proto-Yoruba in nature. But we understand ourselves regardless. We're all Okun .

Interesting analysis. Thanks for taking the time to explain the linguistic situation. For me personally, Oworo does not sound proto-Yoruba. It sounds to me more like a fringe Yoruba dialect. .... And that is exactly why Obajana, Oshokoshoko, Apata axis of Oworo sounds more relatable to you than those in places like Banda, Tajimi, Felele, Okomoba who are located at the dead end of Yorubaland... It isn't that much different from Bunu... in fact the biggest difference in oworo is material not linguistic.
Btw: Are you aware of the 'Okun Yoruba' speaking communities in Patigi local government of Kwara state? I am referring to the likes of Ikoro/Koro, Agboro, Okolushe, Opota, Ilua?

LightOnScams:

They are highly similar and speakers can understand themselves to a high degree. But the following speakers may find it a bit more difficult to communicate:

Owé and Yagba speakers.
Ọwọrọ and the rest.

For someone who knows Kabba town like the palm of my hand, the language isn't that much different from Yagba.

You're welcome brother. Let's ride together.

How about Bunu/Ikiri? which is situated geographically midway between Yagba and Oworo?
How similar is Abunu/Ikiri and Owe who are both in the same LG vis-a-vis the similarity to Oworo and Yagba?

Subscribed and observing ...

Konquest:

How's it going Scholes0?

Thanks for the deep insights on
Canada and the distribution of
Nigerians there. You are absolutely right about the Yoruba presence in Canada.


When I first wrote my views on this thread on the most traveled ethnicities from Nigeria, my mind flashed to the 2019 U.S. Census Bureau report, and the FACT that you had also created an awesome thread on the linguistic distribution in the U.S. with massive official evidence. This is the reason why
I inserted your moniker in the post so as to let the other guys see all the evidence on your thread, and desist from their silly confirmation bias! Lol.

Thanks for your input here.

All the best.

Thanks a lot.

Do you know the funniest thing about that thread? It never made it to front page, lol ... for some funny reason the mods never moved it but it has garnered as much views as a thread that did grace FP and continues racking the views, so it is fulfilling its purpose very beautifully regardless.

Then this thread buttresses the facts once again. You seem to be a seasoned traveller, and your assessment about CIV is correct... weirdly enough I had this same discussion with an uber driver of mine who happened to be Ivorian like some 3 weeks ago.. He was asking if I was Yoruba or Igbo when I told him I was Nigerian and the conversation took off from there, luckily for me (us), my destination was quite the mileage, so we got really deep. I made sure not to miss asking the question about numbers. His reply was as good as your guess. The Yoruba (anango) community there is larger, older and more established.

Konquest:

You got the ethnic travel sequence wrong here. I'll give you some historical insights so that facts are NOT distorted.


When I first flew on board a Nigeria Airways Airbus A310 to the beautiful French-speaking city of Abidjan in 1987, I was stunned to realize that there were many big-time Yoruba business people doing all kinds of businesses in Cote D'Ivoire, and the Yorubas from recent official records are about 90% of the over 2.8 million Nigerians in that country.

The Yorubas who are over 50 million worldwide have been into long-distance trading since the time of the great Oyo Empire (which extended up to parts of Togo) and the trade with the great Ashanti Empire, and even as far as Mali. Yorubas from accurate historical data are heavy travelers and dominate the Nigerian Diaspora communities in the UK, USA, Cote D'Ivoire, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Sierra Leone, UAE, Turkey. I don't know about the Canada figures yet though.


NOTE: The U.S. Census Bureau in a recent data report indicated that out of the top-10 U.S. States where you find Nigerian-American and
Nigerian immigrant population centres, the Yoruba language was the most widely spoken language in households in 9 out of 10 U.S. States, except in California where Ibo language was more spoken in households, followed closely by
Yoruba and Edoid languages. After the Yoruba language, Ibo, then Edoid languages come next in that sequence in 9 out of 10 top U.S. States.

Recently, we have seen the rise of many Nigerian-Americans of
Yoruba ancestry occupy senior positions in the U.S. Government and politics, such as Wale Adeyemo who is the current U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary, and more.


So, this gives us an idea that the
U.S. Yoruba population is huge like in the UK, and if you head on to the
NL profile of => Scholes0 who created a thread on this U.S. Census Bureau report of 2019 on language distribution in the U.S., it tore to shreds the FALSE claims being propagated online and offline by some Ibos that they are the largest in the U.S. Caution has to be taken NOT to engage in spurious guess work until full facts are officially established!


In the Far East like China, Ibos seem to visit a lot more followed by Yoruba international businessmen and women, students, tourists. I do a lot of international business and leisure travels, so I know these facts.


Cheers.

The first thing any Nigerian immigrant in Canada notices is the sheer dominance of the Yoruba community above the rest....
lol... it isn't even a question there. I have been there and seen it myself.

I think a good reason why that is because Canada specializes in skilled immigration which streamlines the immigration pool a lot, not every tom dick and harry who wants to 'japa' can enter some of these countries just for the sake of it, you have to meet certain eligibility criteria so that you can offer something and contribute meaningfully to society when you get there..... Hence the Yorubas always emerge on top since they constitute a good chunk of the best brains in the country. It is the same story in places like Australia.

lol Wahala

UGBE634:
We might take lagos out, Edo would be number 2, I have brought to your understanding that 60% and Even more of the passport collected might have been from the Binis, that is something when compared In ratio to the yorubas

Edo is not number 2.
The actual number 2 is an almost exclusively Yoruba state.

UGBE634, the Benin are very well travelled quite alright, I am not arguing that ... But you said most TRAVELLED in your first remark which I quoted.... and then buttressed it with passport office data where Edo is not even number 1.
Maybe if you had nuanced it a little further the air would have been clearer..... Maybe most travelled per capita or something like that.

UGBE634:
Afemai and Esan are considered Edos by me. Afenmai would rather travel to the north than to europe, they have a large chunk in Kano and Kaduna. The heavy travellers in Edo state are Binis, Esan travel too but you cannot compare the ratio to the Binis, Esan population in Asaba, sapele and Agbor might be more than their population in Europe , and even at that Esan still dae learn where Bini dae. My brother I am telling you without fear or favour, not to denigrate your tribe, most of the yorubas we have in Benin at least a chunk of the Population are into Menial jobs, The Igbos are the most numerous non-indigenes and their population as I have stated before cannot be more than 200 thousand, the yorubas are smaller than that, so when you are talking about heavy population, I want to know the percentage. If we are to be talking about travellers out of Edo state that is not indigenous , we will be talking about Igbos.

Lastly there are passport offices in each of these yoruba states as we saw in that report, a yoruba man would not have to come down from Ekiti or Ondo to collect his passport in Benin. The scenario of Bedc is a different scenario

I know every state have passport offices, but If I am an Ondo or Delta man living in Benin, I would rather collect my passport right there than having to travel to my state of origin to do the same thing, which is the point of the argument. Majority of the Yorubas in Benin might be Blue collar workers, but so are the majority of people from everywhere else... including igbos, Hausas, Urhobos, name it..., I don't think there is any Nigerian ethnic community whose local "hustling" community is majorly made up of office working professional experts.
... I think we are dwelling more on the fringe of the argument than the actual substance.... which is that the demographic make up of those utilizing the passport offices in Ibadan and benin can not be compared like that. It would be very dissimilar. The comparison to Benin passport office would be Port Harcourt..... But between the two, Benin would have more local participation as a total percentage.

UGBE634:
They are economic immigrants, they came to Benin to hustle, they are not majorly the ones travelling,the group that usually travels there are the Igbos, their total number can't be more than 200 thousand. Compare that with the Bini majority in the city. I don't want to assign occupations to the Urhobos,and the Hausas, that would be derogatory to their image but we know what they do here. Ebiras,Isoko, Ijaw,Itsekiris are not much here.

You cannot also wish away the population of hausas in Ibadan too

The population of Urhobo travellers in Benin is very minimal

Still, there is no way you can compare the demography of Benin and Ibadan. Benin is a major city in a demographically diverse state and an even more diverse region. The Bini are not the only ones who travel in Benin. The Esan and to an extent the Afenmai are heavy travellers too, even Yoruba. Do you know how many Yorubas use the Benin passport office? It is sorta like BEDC over there that controlls electricity supply to eastern Yorubaland like Ondo and Ekiti. Unless you don't want to make that distinction... And these are all ethnicities that have a heavy population in Benin.

UGBE634:
we cannot vouch for it o, Ibadan is mighty now, the population of Igbos in Iwo road alone might be up to some tens of thousand. Ibadan of late has received a lot of immigrants migrating from lagos for the purpose of a more calmer life.

compare that with population of:

Igbos ...Including Anioma
Urhobo
Itsekiri
Ijaw
Yoruba
Ebira
Hausa
Isoko .. Etc in Benin... and you will understand.

UGBE634:
You can see there, that the state higher than Edo in the south west, are Oyo and lagos. Edo is third, and also we cannot bank on Oyo and lagos because there is large number of immigrants there,many of the people getting their passport in these state might not be Yoruba

When you compare Benin as a people in terms of ratio to the yorubas, you would understand what I am talking about. As our population increases mightily you will understand.

In that link the Iyase of Benin talked about having 20 of his family members in London alone. Let alone the entire Uk or the population of the entire Binis in diaspora. Timestamp 20:50 to 21:02


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIBTmlI7hA

Oga, Edo has much more non Natives as a percentage of the population compared to Oyo..
And the gap between Oyo and Edo no be here.

UGBE634:
it is not arrant nonsense, Edo is the most travelled ethnic group in Nigeria

lol how can you say this even with the data you just quoted?

XerXers:
60% of people employed in the brewery are from Anambra, that is what Obi saying but urchins will twist it

So if 60% of the company workforce come from just one state (Anambra) out of 36… How exactly does making that public advance his course as someone who wants to become the president of a federation like Nigeria?

.....

Your mum doesn't look tribalist to me.

She is just weary and has learnt from more than 1 bad experience.
seems more to me like you are the 'kid' here who still has a lot to learn ... Hopefully in future you leave your mother's place, work hard and can have your own properties.. then you'll understand

post=115919854:

I hope you have seen this

Get with the times.... Igboland is now the worst in the South when it comes to Out of school children ..... With Anambra topping the cake as worst performer in the entire South.

ednut1:
One of them split from the other at some point. Likely the Yoruba who moved south wards

Check a map please, Yoruba are not more southerly than Igala per se.

Geographically, Yorubaland extend both more Northerly and more Southerly than the reach of Igalas.... Which means you will find Yoruba groups more northerly and more southerly than them.....

Olu317:

How do you mean Archaic Yoruba ? I will advise you consult extensively before assumption because misleading the public can be infectious. So,kindly do more research than posting submission as this.

Plainly, Igala has never been archaic Yoruba. The Olukwu still speak a dialect of Yoruba being encircled by heavy Ibo speakers.Yet the language cum dialect still retain its Yoruba dialect.

This people had lived in around the era Igala was formed which is over 800 years old and still retain Yoruba dialect . Therefore do not pressume on the Igala language.

So, redirect your research to the fact than asserting such view as "Archaic Yoruba language". The Igala language is not not not "Archaic Yoruba."

Furthermore, the comparison are in some true cognate but exaggeration exist in some areas you thought they same. For instance

There is nothing as Olokunrin or Olobinrin in Yoruba language. Appropriateley, it Okunrin/Ọkunrin or Obinrin/Obiri. Infact, Ajayi Crowther created Arabinrin and Arakunrin which never existed in Yoruba lexicon of ancient times.

Again, the comparison of Igala words with Yorubas still do not have synonymous words for the Yoruba words which differs from Igala's language.

So, kindly take note because all families are in iléifẹ to confirm whoever is telling false positing truth.

Pls stick to what you know, or calm down and stop getting your panties in a bunch.
I said Igala sounds like heavily modified archaic Yoruba, I never said it is the archaic Yoruba, maybe you have comprehension issues..... If you have any contrary opinions, express it. It is an established fact that the NW Yoruba dialects (Your Oyo, Egba, Ibarapa and co) are the newest and latest evolving Yoruba dialects while the eastern dialects ( your Ekiti (Esun), Ufe, Ijebu, Ogho, Ondo, Okun of Kogi (Owe, Oworo, Iyagba and co) are the more archaic and stable...

That is why an Igala, Ekiti, Ondo, Itsekiri, Ijesha person will instantly interpret the title of Teni's popular single "Uyo Meyo" without breaking sweat, but your average Lagosian or Ibadan Yoruba will still be asking if that is even Yoruba language.
That is why the vocabulary of Igala is closer to that of the eastern dialects but with heavy mutations due to contact with Idoma and Igbo.


Igala and Olukumi do not belong to the same time period.
All linguists agree that Igala and the modern Yoruba dialects split off from a previous common proto language... so I don't know how any well informed person will be comparing the chronology of Olukumi vis-a-vis Yoruba with that of Igala, which shares a much more antiquated level of relationship.

Ps: Who told you there is nothing like Olokunrin in Yoruba. Stop overreaching yourself please.... or better still, just stick to your dialect and stay there.
And even if that was the case, where exactly are the exaggerations? because apart from that one example out of all those I have listed up there you haven't pointed to any other one.

ednut1:
One of them split from the other at some point. Likely the Yoruba who moved south wards

Check a map please, Yoruba are not more southerly than Igala per se.... it is Nigeria's confusing political geography that makes people think along the lines of ;"Igala are North, Yoruba is South" Or have you forgotten there are Yorubas in the same "Northern" kogi state with the Igalas?

Geographically, Yorubaland extend both more in the Northerly and more in the Southerly directions than the reach of Igalas.... Which means that even within Yorubas, you will actually find Yoruba groups more northerly and more southerly than Igala geographically..... So you can see your hypothesis is already faulty.

@OP look at it this way, the closeness between the original aboriginal Igalas (Akpoto) & Yoruba is ancestral. A result of both groups descending from the same ancestors in deep prehistory that is so so old that nobody recorded it. The relationship between Igala & Igbo you friend talks about is as a result of geographical closeness/inter-relationship along border areas and some culture rubbing off each other. There are even igalas in today's Southeast. So actually, depending on the Igala you ask, there are varying degrees of closeness with neighbors. Some Igalas will tell you they are closest to Agatu/Idoma, some will tell u it is Bassa-Nge/Nupe. These are all location induced relatedness.

Igala looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.

Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.

1)* I noticed keenly that Igala have evolved to replace the nasal vowels (Añ, Eñ, Ẹñ, Iñ, Oñ, Ọñ, Uñ) endings in Yoruba with their oral vowel equivalents. Because Yoruba has both 7 oral & nasal vowels... but seems Igala has the 7 oral (A, E, Ẹ, I, O, Ọ, U) but has retained only 1 of the nasal vowels (Uñ) used in negation or ending negative statements.

2)* Some consonant mutation in Igala that differs from the Yoruba equivalents, i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L), (SH to CH) etc...
Here are some RULES:

Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present
Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu
Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi
Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu
Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi
Hañ (show) - Ŋa
Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ
Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu
Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu
Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu
Fañ (blow) - Fa
Agañ (barren) - Aga
Kañ (sour) - Ka
Okañ (one) - Oka
Oduñ (year) - Odo
Agbañ (chin) - Agba
Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu
Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa
Oyañ (breats) - Eñya
Idiñ (maggot) - Ide
Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko
Tituñ (new) - Tito
Efañ (buffalo) - Efa

Rule B*: Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa
Kekere (small) - Kekele
Irawo (star) - Ilawo
Iri (dew/mist) - eli
Olu (lord) - Onu
Ro (cultivate) - Lo
Olamide (name) - Uramide
Iru (seed) - Ilu
Akere (toad) - Akele
Ra (buy) - La
Erira (ants) - Elila
Ri (see) - Li
Ora (fat) - Ula
Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe
Eruru (ashes) - Elulu

Rule C*: Consonant mutation S to R/L
Ese (leg) - Ere
Eso (fruit) - Ero
Se (block) - Re
Sø (throw) - Rø
Su (roast) - Rø

Rule D*: Consonant mutation S and SH to CH
It seems like the "S" and “Sh” sound are absent in some Igala dialects, and they replace with a 'CH'... This dialect that lack the the S & SH sound seem to have become the standard dialect for the whole of Igala.

Sheyi (done this) - Cheyi
Oshu (moon) - Ochu
Ishu (yam) - Uchu
Ashe (authority) - Ache
Isha (pot) - Ucha
Shu (defecate) - Chu

Rule E*: Consonant mutation J to BŸ
Aja (dog) - Abya
Eje (seven) - Ebye
Ẹjɛ (blood) - Ẹbyɛ

Rule F*: Consonant mutation W to GW and from Hard palatal sounds to Gliding Palatal just like in the South-Eastern Yorubaland dialects..
Ẹwa (beans) - Ẹgwa
Ku (die) - Kwu
Gun (pound) - Gwu
Ekun (cry) - Ekwu
Oogun (sweat) - Uugwu
Wɛ (wash/bath) - Gwɛ
Wa (dig/drive) - Gwa

Rule G*: Consonant mutation L to N and reverse
Oluku (friend) - Onukwu
Ile/Ale (land) - Ane
Ale (night) - Ane
Ala (dream) - Ona
Enu (mouth) - Alu
Alejo (visitor) - Anojo
Ola (tomorrow) - Ona
Arugbo (old person) - Anagbo

Rule H*: Consonant mutation S to H
Esi (answer) - Ohi
Osi (left) - Ehi
Se (cook) - Hi

Rule A* + B*
Eriñ (four) - Ele
Oruñ (neck) - Olu
Iruñ (hair) - Ilo
Aruñ (five) - Alu
Erañ (meat) - Ela
Oruñ (sun) - Olu

Rule A* + C*
Esañ (nine) - Ela
Suñ (sleep) - Lu

Rule A* +D*
Eshiñshiñ (housefly) - Achichi

Rule A* + F*
Egunguñ (bone) - Ogwugwu
Iguñnu (vulture) - Ugwunu
Oguñ (twenty) - Ogwu

Rule A* +G*
Olokuñriñ (man) - Onokele
Olobiñriń (woman) - Onobule

Okunrin - Okele
Obinrin - Obule

Rule B* + C*
Sure (run/hasten) - Rule

------------------------------------------------------------

Other Minor differencess with irregular rules
Bayii (like this) - Abayii
Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø
Owo/Ogho (money) - Oko
Wo/Gho (look) - Go
Ijo (dance) - Ido
Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya
Oru (midnight) - Odu
Iwowo (nudity) - Owowo
Eru (slave) -Adu
Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo
Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe
Akuko (coc.k) - Ayiko

And finally,False friend cognates
Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed
Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat

Du in Yoruba - To contest an object
Du in Igala - To take an object

Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy
Oyu in Igala = Fat

Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice
Ebo in Igala - Deity

Edø in Yoruba = Liver
Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest

Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces
Uwewe in igala = Many

ilɛ in Yoruba = Earth (as in land)
ilɛ in Igala = Earth (as in the planet)

Ji in Yoruba = Steal
Oji in Igala = Thief

Da in Yoruba = Split
Da in Igala = Cut

Kpekun in Yoruba = Finish
Kpeko in Igala = Filled

Ka in Yoruba = Cant / Count / Talkative
Ka in Igala = Talk / Speak


There are many countless words that are exactly the same in both languages and need no further elucidation since we are focusing more on what has made the two languages different over time.
That being said, there are many other words too that are very different... Hence the reason why Igala shares approximately only about 64% or so word cognates with the General Yoruba we speak. The 40% that do not align between both is already enough to make inter-comprehension between both very hard... The biggest chunk of non Yoruboid words in Igala is from the neighbouring Idoma according to some research.

With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.

Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.

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Efewestern:


Did I argue that the name belonged to us? That has never been our argument. I was only giving you good reasons why the Wado city project is valid as it helps in correcting many wrong impression about a city.

You are pretending not to know why the Waddo city project intensified. During the coronation. it was common to find statements like this in the media;

"The oil City of Warri gets a new king"
"The City in celebration as ..."

An average Nigerian can barely differentiate the difference between the Kingdom that got a new king and the city which is deep in the terrain of another ethnic group.

The Igbos are recent migrants to Warri and are not Indigenous to the place, so how then can you compare Igbo market to Main market? I'm talking about Ijaw here, a group of people that had ties with her neighbors for centuries. Infact that market was a trading spot for ancient Ijaw men and they have occupied that tiny piece of land for close to 200yrs now.

And have I said I am personally against Wado city? Infact Goodluck with making it work. Itsekiris can face their Warri squarely, while Urhobos can face Wado. No more confusion or mix-ups. Win Win.

As for the second part of your submission, no comment, because you are pretending like you dont know that even within the Niger delta there are still internal migrations of people. In case you don't know Thousands of Ilajes are now permanent citizens of coastal Delta state... but they are not claiming landlordship status. The difference is that Ijaw will migrate somewhere and start claiming to own the place after barely 1 generation. If you pretend like you don't know this then I will know you are not sincere.

BTW.... There are some veery old igboid elements of Ndokwa/Aboh extraction in Warri. If you want to go there you can let me know.

Zooposki:


Well, I’m just a third party observer and wondered if there was a nefarious reason behind all the pomp and pageantry, given the antecedents of the Yoruboid speaking people, but if you say it’s just respect for the traditional institution, whom am I to argue. But I still believe I’m right given my honed senses from my love of reading true crime books.

Which antecedents of Yoruboid people?

Since you want to go there;
Na Yoruboid people go plot coup that plunge Nigeria into civil war?
Na Yoruboid people go contest to become premier in another people's region to lord there?
Na Yoruboid people treat Adaka Boro fuckup?
Na Yoruboid people invade Midwest?

Kwantinuu...

Zooposki:


I’m not Urhobo but I discerned what the Itshekiris were trying to achieve. I did not voice it out then but I knew you guys were trying to steal their land, hence the pomp, the visits from Yoruba governors etc etc. It all started long ago from the change of Nana of Itshekiri to Olu of Warri. I give credit to the urhobos for their fast action in changing the name to Wado city. I guess they too were onto your slick plans.

Nana of Itsekiri to Olu of Warri ke? Lmao
That coronation pain Urhobos like mad that they couldn't even hide the green eyes... Whyyyy? Even me was begining to wonder ..... Look at it this way, Urhobos also have their Ovies and Orodjes they can pull an even bigger ceremony in the event that any of them passes to the great beyond. You can't fault Itsekiris for respecting their traditional institutions and celebrating the coronation of an Olu with glee and fanfare. Na their culture. Ira Iwerre only have one King all over the world, at least you should understand that.

Besides, I have never seen an Itsekiri laying wholesome claims to Udu, Okpe or Uvwie Warri... not even Effurun.... The coronation wasn't even in the main Warri city... what are you talking about? ... The Olu have since visited several Okpe and Urhobo kings from the Warri metropolis to extend a hand of friendship and cooperation..Baba you only saw what you wanted to see o.

Balogunodua:

They only lay claim to those place online in reality they won't dare such...

Hehe... Obviously.
But dem get mouth for Bayelsa and somehow in Delta sha.