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samuk:
I believe the annual Oduduwa celebration actually started with the current oba few years ago. I can't remember his father Erediawa 2 celebrating it annually. I also believe the other praise name came in during Erediawa or slightly earlier. None of these existed during Oba Ovonramwen.

Sam, It is not new o.

Oduduwa festival has always been a part of a series of festivities in Benin known as the Ague-Oghene. which was meant to celebrate the Oba's paternal ancestors. The only difference was that back then it was all compartmentalized and condensed together.
It is pre 1897.

Oba Eresonyen de-compartmentalized it and started celebrating Ugie Oduduwa separetely.

UGBE634:
You can interprete it Osamede any of those ways it would make absolute sense, it means the same thing with Osemwende

Yeah, the Ede in Omosede and Osamede are from the "Ede" meaning crown in Edo not from the one of falling.

That [EDE] word is part of the vocab that flowed with dynastic change in early Benin, from its form in Yoruba [ADE] meaning crown.

samuk:
That was added lately, also the annual celebration of Oduduwa by the palace is also new. Benin have two historical timeline, pre-1897 authentic history and post-1897 polical history that puts the oba of Benin at the heart and centre of yoruba monarchs.

Don't forget that the most important people in yoruba land are Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Oba of Benin as first heir, the Alaafin of Oyo as second heir and the Ooni as the spiritual leader or chief priest.

What we have been focusing on here is the authentic history not the political arrangements.

When you say it is new, How 'new' do you consider to be too new to be discarded?
I want to know your time frame.

UGBE634:
in some quarters, it was strictly Ogiso Igodo, the Oba seem to have been the palace addition to it

Omo, it is VERY VERY hard to see a Benin man who just say things as they are.
You see all these ones arguing here? They are all fonts and have an irrational fear of admitting the Yoruba links of the current dynasty. Maybe they think Edo people will be Yorubanized if they do or somethting.

I know the Edos and some other groups might have felt marginalized in the old western region, and yes I admit what sociologists term "The tyranny of the Majority that happened between the Yoruba and the smaller groups that later broke out" due to certain perceived injustices, (and these acts happened in the Northern, Eastern and Western regions) but that is not an excuse to distort hundreds upon hundreds of years of sacred history.

I mean, the act just reeks.

UGBE634:
Literally it means my God does not fall. What it can translate to mean to make sense is my God does not fail

According to an Edo website, it means
God creates the Crown (Ede)
https://edoaffairs.com/benin-names-meaning/

If Osamede means what you say it means, what does Omosede mean?

Samuk what is the meaning of Ovbi Adimila which is a prominent praise epithet of the Omonoba?

UGBE634

What is the meaning of the Benin name Osamede?

We know the words that Yoruba and Edo share from antiquity at the urheimat of Volta-Congo, and subsequently YEAI, no one is arguing those ones.
Words like:

Unu/Enu - Mouth
Akuko/Okhokho - Fowl
Oka - Grain/Millet/Corn
Omo - Child

No one argue those ones. People who are really into linguistics know which is which.

But you see the likes of our Oba (King), Ade/Ede (crown), Olori (Queen consort), Akete (Throne) and the likes......
Their origin in 'Yorubaland' is NEVER in doubt.

Efewestern:
Ooni, Awujale, Alake, Alafin, Olubadan, Oluwo, Olu, etc are not the yoruboid word for king, they are title of each sovereign rulers. I can't give a breakdown of these titles but I'm very sure they mean different thing.

The closest the Yorubas have to Oba is "Baale," which by the way is a low ranking title for a tiny community heads.

It is an established fact that Ogie is an Edoid word for King. Regardless of what some are trying to spin, Ogie means king and not Duke. Now, in Yoruboid, aside Oba, there is no other Yoruba word for King. Olu isn't king. Olu means Lord. Ooni , Alaffin are titles. Baale isn't also close. This leaves us with only OBA, unless you want to convince me that Yoruboid had no word for king.

Also, it makes no sense for Edoid to call King Ogie and Oba. Either one is foreign or the other just mean a different thing entirely.

Words written in Gold.

UGBE634:
it Means Jesus the KING

Thanks.

samuk:
20 years from now future Edo will find it difficult to defend these four titles as being of Edo origin.

They are actually 8 (4 pairs of 2), not 4.

UGBE634:
Bro that is not enough, they seem to be natives or so that is what our oral account state,none of them have origin from Yoruba land.

These four Oliha, Edohen, Eholor nire, Ero, these four are the first four Uzamas, Edion nene, that it was gotten externally is highly unlikely. It contradicts our tradition. When an Edo (H) word enters yoruba lexicon, I believe it would still be H to F too.

The Uzama as traditional Edion in Igodomigodo existed.
Infact Edion have always been a feature of Edo society from the dawn of time. They are the oldese structured institutions, even before the Ogie-iso which were said to be non hereditary.

What we are exploring right now are the etymologies of the titles of the 4 pairs that are associated with the coming of Oranmiyan into what would later become Benin.

Efewestern:
Ogie is not Duke bro. Ogie is king. There's no way you want to twist this hard fact. Quote me anywhere. Ogie means KING.

All name that has Oba attached to it are traced to Bini. No other Edoid group bears any Oba title. They all make use of Ogie. So why should we believe that Oba is the rightful word for King instead of the well accepted Ogie?

Oba of Uvwie 😂

This we already know.
Not only on the Yoruboid side, but also on the Benin side (But for some reason the truth is too hard to admit for many)

Is it not the same Itsekiris that praise the Olu with the Oriki/Akpuja: "Oba Omi ju Oba Oke"... The King of the waters is greater than the King on Land.
Those who know these things know.

Let me tell those guys that once you accept truth, I swear to god your mind will be at rest. You will feel 50 pounds lighter as if a heavy load has been lifted from your chest.

samuk:
The story is that Oba of Benin is from Ife. If the story is true, these various titles should have existed in Ife specifically, these guys shouldn't be allowed to give examples from other areas of yoruba land that was influenced by Benin for centuries.

If the argument is that Benin is an offshoot of Ife, then there have to be similarities in ghe traditional institutions, but there are none.

You, your own position is not even reconcilable with both your Benin brothers here and the Yorubas.
Your position should be thrown into the dustbin but your brothers will not tell you.

UGBE634:
you people seem to have a shallow explanation to these things
The word Ogie has existed before the Oba dynasty, who were they now subservient to, who were they now under

The word Ogie means king
Enogie -the king

It is Egie that means royalty

For example you can say Oba-mu-egie me meaning Oba has bequeathed royal to me, a chieftaincy title or so

Bros, When a Benin person says Ijesu n'Ogie, what does it mean?

Does it mean Jesus is a smaller duke?

UGBE634:
stop attributing titles you are not sure of their origin to yorubaland. Asoron to Eson is so laughable, how sure are you it is not the other way round. Edohen and Odofin does not look alike, the family will actually laugh at you for such theories you postulate here,

It might not look very alike on the surface level, but if you know the rules of thumb of how Yoruba lexical articles mutate when they enter the Edo language, you will understand better. For example F in Yoruba many atimes changes to [H] in Edo. Words that begin with A in Yoruba often becomes [E] in Edo. Words that have a rhotic [R] in Yoruba, the R vanishes in Edo... Etc.

AreaFada2:
Ah! Mr Fifth columnist is here.

You just confirmed what we all already knew. These rulers began as housekeeper, priest, baron or speaker.
Is there any serious student of history who doesn't know these meanings? You talk as if Yoruba is some kind of Sumerian cuneiform or Egyptian hieroglyphic language.

You are still reeling out mythical figures that cannot be proven to have existed as evidence of Oba?

Oga you aren't saying anything. How am I a 5th columnist? lol Fifth columnist to what people Hhahaha.
You didn't even answer the question. Well, I will take it you don't speak Yoruba.

Take Sango as third king of Oyo for example, how reasonable is the timeline and the story? I have read it in many books and saw films on it. No logic at all.

In Benin, we had Oba-godo in Igodomigodo. as an Ogiso. Ogiso meant not god literally from the sky but one heavenly ordained. How could someone whose childhood, parents, family and house and quarter in Benin were known be directly from the sky? It was about divine ordination.

But you still parade mythical figures as evidence of real kingly Obas. Lol.

Obalufon, Sango, Obameri, etc are not mythical figures. AND EVEN IF THEY WERE, you are still missing the point.
The point is the existence of the terminology in the Yoruba lexicon for as far back as anyone can remember. I hope you will get it now, and if not... oh well.

So you had OGIE-ISO OBA-GODO. lol wonderful.
By the way, the earliest written accounts of Benin mentions no Obagodo. Even the earlier written accounts of Benin's history by a native Benin that mentions anything along those lines only mentions an IGUDU/IGODO not OBA-GODO

By the way, I am also familiar with Ifa corpus. I knew the story of Eji Ogbe (Oba Odu) in particular as a kid already.

Very nice, make sure you teach your Edo comrades so that they can also teach other Edo.

Europeans have various names for prime minister: Bundeskanzler, Kanzler, Taoiseach, First Minister, Prime Minister, etc. All don't literally mean Prime minister but became regarded as such because all are heads of government. But all have histories about their genesis and evolution. So king came to be known by various names. Even if not literally but all now mean or imply king in that dialect/culture.

How is a name for the same position in different languages the same as regional identifiers for OBAS in different Yoruba Kingdoms?
You are trying too hard and your examples are not 'exampling'. Oba in Atakpame Togo is the same as Oba in Ijebu Ode because they all speak the same language.

AreaFada2:
One quick correction. Aro and Ero are not same o. They are two different titles in Benin. That Edohen means Odofin is a mere conjecture. Edohen, Oliha, Ero and Eholo are the oldest titles. As old as Ogiso. They are actually village rulers, but now grown to meet Benin. I have read many SW writers' papers and theses with these errors.
Funny that a very good paper published in SW traced Ijesha/Ilesha titles and their origins. It made it clear of their Benin origins. Yet Ife is nearby? Why then?

I don't know if you have both Aro and Ero as separate titles in Benin but in Yorubaland, there is only one Aro.
Odofin is found all over Yorubaland and is not from Benin just setting that straight... It it is not a conjecture, the Odofin title is Odofin in usen and Yorubaland is what you call Edohen. And Usen oral accounts supports this very clearly.
The paper may trace some titles to Benin I am not saying there are no titles in Yorubaland with Benin origin, but not the ones I listed, that's the point.

It is no surprise that many Benin title names actually have their etymologies in the Yoruba language. case in point the Asogbon (Esogban)
, Elukotun/Elukohi of the Ogbe Esasa, the Ariyo (Eriyo), Obajulu (Bazunu), the Asoron (Eson), Asama (Esama) so don't pretend as if influence didn't travel both ways.

But you see that OBA. lol that one is straight out of Yorubaland.

AreaFada2:
Okoro is not lost in Benin o. Every Prince of Benin is called Okoro. You probably have to know more to be sure of these things first.

Crown Prince is Okoro n'Okhua. Okoro meant boy child initially but became Prince. I explained Okoro matter years ago here about how Oba Erediauwa was a student at Government College Ibadan, like 80 years ago. The chat between him and his British teacher. I believe I was replying to your post back then. I know at least 12 families with Okoro surname in Benin.
I still put it to you to show me any evidence of Olu of Warri using Oba title from 1800s. Remember, the Portuguese also documented Olu of Itsekhiri quite well. Show me Oba title in it.

I can tell you at least 20 Yoruba kings that never used Oba title until 100 years ago. Olubadan is one of them. Many were still "Baale". Not even yet king in status. Do you know how many Obas have been created or those elevated as Oba in last 50 years alone in Yorubaland? They all now have Oba title and praise name. It does not take long to be rooted. Just replace "Baale" in proverbs and songs with Oba.

Yes, power of Oba was important before 1897 because rulers in sphere of Benin influence could not just take Oba title like that. I have shown that even Yoruba rulers under Benin influence didn't even use Oba title. One cannot just wake up and use Awujale as a royal title. It is unique. Oba was unique to Edo. While it existed in Yoruba as "King" as some point, it never was individual appellation of a king. In a Western Region Traditional Rulers meeting in Benin in the 1940s, the register of attendees uniquely bore Oba of Benin as only Oba. Others were Ooni, Awujale, Alake, Alafin, etc. He was present but nothing like Oba Adesoji Aderemi was written. It was Ooni of Ife. Today, it would not be complete without writing The Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi.

Titles like Ojomo, Sagwe, Ero, Owangwe, Osere, Bajuaye and Sasere used in parts of Yorubaland now were adopted from Benin's Ezomo. Osague, Ero, Esere, Bazuaye and Iyase. You have them now in Ilesa and most of Eastern Yorubaland. In 100 years, people will swear that they are not from Benin. Even 50 years from now, people will not admit that the titles came from Benin. Others will argue that because they are so widespread in Yorubaland, it must have existed in Yorubaland long before coming to Benin.

But each title has unique story behind it in Benin.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero and Eholo were titles in Benin by 40BC already. Do you have all these titles in all Edoid Delta Aristocracy? You don't believe that some words and positions disappear if not used in separated languages? I know Iyase title exists in many Delta Edoid people but it is fairly young. Iyase was created in about 1255 AD by Oba Ewedo of Benin. The former 4 are way older. Being old doesn't mean all separated languages must have it.

The Benin/Edo Language I used to hear people speak growing up is different from the one I hear now. Never mind after 600 to 700 years of separation from Benin.

Before Oba Olua sent his son to Iwerre in 1480, there was no high-ranking ruler there. How can Oba already documented by Europeans then become less rooted in Benin than in Iwerre?

I write my epistles because of silent readers and posterity.

BTW. Yoruba did not copy - Elema, Aro (which you guys call Ero), Odofin (which you guys call Edohen) from Benin.
They exist as both titles of palace chiefs and that of the powerful Ogboni aristocracy (Iware/Eghare) as well as the Hierarchy within Ifa Orunmila (Awo cadets)

In Ifa for example:
The Odofin is the second ranking Babalawo after the Oluwo
The Aro is the third ranking Babalawo
The Elemo/Agoro is a chief superintendent of the traditional rites

And that is why you will find these titles in both Eastern AND Western Yorubaland. contrary to your submission that the geographical scope of these titles are limited within Yorubaland. You find them all over. In Ikirun, Iwo, Ilesa (which you mentioned), Abeokuta, Ede, Offa, Ketu. Etc and finally in IFE itself, including areas far removed from Benin influence.

AreaFada2:
Okoro is not lost in Benin o. Every Prince of Benin is called Okoro. You probably have to know more to be sure of these things first.

Crown Prince is Okoro n'Okhua. Okoro meant boy child initially but became Prince. I explained Okoro matter years ago here about how Oba Erediauwa was a student at Government College Ibadan, like 80 years ago. The chat between him and his British teacher. I believe I was replying to your post back then. I know at least 12 families with Okoro surname in Benin.
I still put it to you to show me any evidence of Olu of Warri using Oba title from 1800s. Remember, the Portuguese also documented Olu of Itsekhiri quite well. Show me Oba title in it.

I can tell you at least 20 Yoruba kings that never used Oba title until 100 years ago. Olubadan is one of them. Many were still "Baale". Not even yet king in status. Do you know how many Obas have been created or those elevated as Oba in last 50 years alone in Yorubaland? They all now have Oba title and praise name. It does not take long to be rooted. Just replace "Baale" in proverbs and songs with Oba.

Yes, power of Oba was important before 1897 because rulers in sphere of Benin influence could not just take Oba title like that. I have shown that even Yoruba rulers under Benin influence didn't even use Oba title. One cannot just wake up and use Awujale as a royal title. It is unique. Oba was unique to Edo. While it existed in Yoruba as "King" as some point, it never was individual appellation of a king. In a Western Region Traditional Rulers meeting in Benin in the 1940s, the register of attendees uniquely bore Oba of Benin as only Oba. Others were Ooni, Awujale, Alake, Alafin, etc. He was present but nothing like Oba Adesoji Aderemi was written. It was Ooni of Ife. Today, it would not be complete without writing The Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi.

Titles like Ojomo, Sagwe, Ero, Owangwe, Osere, Bajuaye and Sasere used in parts of Yorubaland now were adopted from Benin's Ezomo. Osague, Ero, Esere, Bazuaye and Iyase. You have them now in Ilesa and most of Eastern Yorubaland. In 100 years, people will swear that they are not from Benin. Even 50 years from now, people will not admit that the titles came from Benin. Others will argue that because they are so widespread in Yorubaland, it must have existed in Yorubaland long before coming to Benin.

But each title has unique story behind it in Benin.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero and Eholo were titles in Benin by 40BC already. Do you have all these titles in all Edoid Delta Aristocracy? You don't believe that some words and positions disappear if not used in separated languages? I know Iyase title exists in many Delta Edoid people but it is fairly young. Iyase was created in about 1255 AD by Oba Ewedo of Benin. The former 4 are way older. Being old doesn't mean all separated languages must have it.

The Benin/Edo Language I used to hear people speak growing up is different from the one I hear now. Never mind after 600 to 700 years of separation from Benin.

Before Oba Olua sent his son to Iwerre in 1480, there was no high-ranking ruler there. How can Oba already documented by Europeans then become less rooted in Benin than in Iwerre?

I write my epistles because of silent readers and posterity.

lol, where do I even start in addressing the mixture of half truths and some complete falsehoods in this write-up?
Do you speak Yoruba language for starters?

Infact, saying 'Oba' is anything but Yoruba is like saying 'Ori' is not head in Yoruba. The word is as fundermentally Yoruba as a word can get.

Do you know the meanings of Obaluaye, Obatala or Obalufon?

Do you know why Sango is known by the name Oba Koso?

Do you know why Oba'nta is one of the premier fathers of the Ijebu people?

All these our Alaafin (Owner of the palace- Aafin), Olowo (Lord of Owo), Deeji which is short for Owafadeji (Bestowed the crown - Ade), Owa Obokun (The first to get Sea water -Okun), Arinjale, Awujale (Spread to reign over land- Ile/Ale), Ewi (The eloquent speaker) Etc does not mean KING... they are what can be best described as customized or place specific honorifics.. They are all Obas.

Pride is such a strong motivating factor in historical distortion.

davidnazee:
You seem confused.. what invitation doesn't make sense to you?
is it the invitation for ife to send someone to rule Benin or the invitation for Ekhalederan's descendant to return home to rule?

The Oba title isn't much of an issue. It could be of Edo origin or Yoruba origin. It could also be that Ekhalederan's descendant decided to introduce the title his father used in ife since that is the culture he was raised in too.

The only thing that doesn't make sense and a foolish assumption is that Benin was attacked by ife/usen or that Benin (an already established and civilized people) will go to ife to ask for a foreigner to come rule them.

Don't kid yourself here, it is a HUGE issue!
So it absolutely doesn't make sense to you that the Ujama could invite a non royal Edo 'stranger' to rule in Benin, but it makes perfect sense to you that the descendants of that same prestigious lineage that has supposedly existed for hundreds of years would suddenly Jettison the title of their reverred ancestors, one which they have always used in favour of a STRANGE title that has no meaning in their language.

Even the greeting of the entire pedigree of new rulers had to change from the previous Laiso/Delaiso to La'Ooni and later on, La-m'Ogun.

If only you were honest with yourself, you would know that the only force powerful enough to achieve this is that of DYNASTIC CHANGE to something different… i.e, To the current “House of Oranmiyan”

UGBE634:
South of Benin city was the Sapele-Benin road which passed through Ologbo, and Itsekiri waterside Village situated on a roughly circular open plateau

This was what was written o, they did not describe Ologbo as waterside village o, why you dae shoot yourself for foot, there was comma after Ologbo, that is to say that after Ologbo, you get to Itsekiri waterside village

Why Ologbo seem to be different is this, there are Binis resident there and they have numbers, those other waterside villages that Itsekiris are resident in are not Ologbo, they are Itsekiri waterside village after Ologbo

But for the Ijaws, the Oral account we have with them is that they came to settle in our land, and that land, they settled in, the Binis do not reside there. Gele Gele is an example

Immediately after Ologbo is the Orhiomwon-Ologbo river complex there is no waterside village after Ologbo. Those other villages I listed are small hamlets west of ologbo not after it on the way to sapele.
Either the Itsekiri water side village has been subsumed into Ologbo itself, or there was a typo.

UGBE634:
That's true, Jason Owen Akenzua is the Enogie there, but bro Ologbo is not an Itsekiri community, it is owned naturally by the Binis, Itsekiris came to settle there, it is a community like Warri where there are Itsekiris, Urhobo, Ijaw. Just that in this case, it is the Binis and the Itsekiris

They are not majority, I am aware there are about ten quarters there, the Binis reside in five, Itsekiris reside in the other five

Even if we go by the way you described it, it is still at the very least an Itsekiri and Benin community.
The reason why the Ologbo issue is dicey is that there are still some smaller Itsekiri villages in the vicinity that are not Mixed with Binis; Abiala, Ajoki and co.

The Original Ologbo itself has been variously described as an Itsekiri waterside village.
If you want to say Benin are the traditional landowners and the others are 'sojourners/tenants' though, that would be a purely Benin-Itsekiri issue just like what is going on between the Benins and the Olodiama branch of the Ijaws.

UGBE634:
These seven kings are not in the class of those that were appointed by the past Oba's

The Oba Himself
Okaivbo of Urhonigbe
Enogie of Ugo
Enogie of Egor
Ogie-amien of Utantan
Iyase of Udo
Olu-awure of Usen

The reasons are this
1. The ages of these towns
2. The ages of these stools, none there is less than 500 years old
3. Their averagely larger size over other villages in Benin
4. Their historical importance to Edo as a race or Bini as a nation
Each of these communities and their stools meet at least 1, 2 or maybe all of the requirements

The rest are majorly "dagbo" the Oba will just cut seven small villages add them together and send his brother. It happened alot during the reign of Oba Akenzua, Eredieuwa and even this present Oba has sent some
The rest are

We know.
Infact, that was how the originally majority Itsekiri community of Ologbo got their own Enogie yesterday (In historical longevity terms)

UGBE634:
you mean the Irado

Please how did he lost the position, was he deposed, I don't know much about Utesse,

His Paleh died in I think '86. Since then they did not have another Olutese till 2012. After that, he was presented to the Oba as an Enogie.

He is the 35th Olutese on record even after a 26 year break. If we do an average of 25 years reign for each ruler minus the 26 years between 86 and 2012 then you will get an idea how old the stool is.

UGBE634:
Are you sure he is not related to the Oba, his name might be Akenzua or Eweka

He is related through Irado and Oranmiyan, a very distant cousin.
Strictly speaking, he is an uncle to the Oba.

UGBE634:
These seven kings are not in the class of those that were appointed by the past Oba's

The Oba Himself
Okaivbo of Urhonigbe
Enogie of Ugo
Enogie of Egor
Ogie-amien of Utantan
Iyase of Udo
Olu-awure of Usen

The reasons are this
1. The ages of these towns
2. The ages of these stools, none there is less than 500 years old
3. Their averagely larger size over other villages in Benin
4. Their historical importance to Edo as a race or Bini as a nation
Each of these communities and their stools meet at least 1, 2 or maybe all of the requirements

The rest are majorly "dagbo" the Oba will just cut seven small villages add them together and send his brother. It happened alot during the reign of Oba Akenzua, Eredieuwa and even this present Oba has sent some
The rest are

The Irado of Utese used to also be in this same class until they gave up that privilege especially with the current Olutese (now enogie), Agidigbi who came in 2012.

davidnazee:
You are really misinformed on Igodomigodo ways of governance. If you go far before the era of Obas. where will you find more than one person bearing Ogiso title same time? All territories making up Igodomigodo was under one encompassing ruler, an Ogiso.. Other smaller rulers in charge of different territories weren't called Ogiso. Egor and Ogiegor were under Igodomigodo. The Edos have been long civilized and structure their way of life long before the yorubas came into existence.
A Governor is in charge of a state and a President in charge of the whole country. You cannot call a governor a president. Same thing applies to Iyase, Okaevbo, Enogies.. They are not kings but dukes in charge of their territories. The Oba of Benin is the only King for all Bini people and He can remove them from that position if they run afoul against the Palace.

OLU AWURE the OBA of USEN is traditionally INDEPENDENT. Silly state politics aside.
You can even see he boldly uses the title Oba without fear or favor.

Even Udo is traditionally another sovereign municippality unless they deliberately chose to be subsumed under Benin.

AutomaticMotors:
You are a lost Soul and I have no desire nor interest to lecture you on the origin of "Oba" title .... I still repeat my earlier stance YOU ARE NOT EDO!!

Listen to your Urhobo cousins!

https://www.nairaland.com/7532857/ovie-otuo-comrade-oshiomhole-know#120209900

Efewestern:
Ovie is an Edoid word. Most Edoid related group use Ogie. Urhobo/Isoko being the largest popularized the word that doesn't mean other group doesn't make use of it.

Oba is no way Edoid, has no root whatsoever. Ogie/Ovie means leader/head/king.

davidnazee:
Who told you Ekhalderan died in Ughoton? why don't you think he journeyed from Ughoton due to threat of attacks and assassination from the palace he had problems with? He left Ughoton and journeyed to Ife where he became great. That may be the missing link you are searching for.

Ife and Ughoton are in two completely opposite directions. Ughoton is due southwards directly facing the creeks.

Ife is due westwards into the thick West African jungle.

For example, after crown prince Iginuwa sone of Oba Oluwa who was supposed to rule was upstaged and an uncle (Uncle Ojoluwa) ruled in his stead, he went towards the creeks and settled amongst a Yoruboid people (The Itsekiri) whom he met there. He didn't for example, suddenly leave there and turn westwards. If Ekaladerhan would end up anywhere else outside Ughoton, common sense only demands that it would have been down in the creeks a boat stop away from Ughoton or refuge amongst the Urhobos immediately south who also have various traditions of fleeing Benin which they call 'Aka' at different times in history, not in faaar away Ife hundreds of Kilometers to the Northwest . How does a person end up in Ife from Ughoton in that age? Does the story even make sense to you? HIAN!

TAO11:
I love how you’ve been relegated to the pit of denying yourself clownishly. 🤣 🤡

Listen Samuel, you’ve made a self-consoling claim here in relation to my past engagements with you.

You’ve now been asked to simply provide just one link from same Nairaland to back up your consolation.

See how you’re parading naked, going in circles rather than help yourself with links to where you performed this stunt you’re claiming/wishing you performed.😅

I’ve apparently battered your mental health, but I pray it’s not beyond recovery. 😢 I didn’t mean to.

Anyway, help yourself with the Nairaland links where I couldn’t stand up to your challenge — just one link.

In the meantime, while I’m waiting, virtually everyone active in the Nairaland culture section in the last 3 – 4 years have come to realize that your Ọmọnọbas are of Ifẹ-Yoruba patrilineal ancestry, roots & origin.

Some of these active readers (including Igbos & Binis) have expressed their conviction of this historical fact.

Such is life. Rest. Peace ✌🏾

Gbam
QED!

duro4chang:
Ekun is tiger please 🐅

Where did the Yoruba ancestors see it? In ancient Indo-China?