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ValentineMary:
The reason behind the finger print is not fully understood yet. Some researchers think it was an evolutionary mechanism to make our ancestors better adapted for climbing and holding rough things. But that should not give us reason to call on the God of the gaps here even in the DNA whose origin has not been fully outlined even though certain evidences in primitive animals show us the gradual evolution and modification that evolution carried out on the DNA. If we keep employing God in our ignorance, why then should we carry out research or study since everything we don't already know, God did it?

Evolusion's intelligence is awesome. For example, if finger-prints was an evolutionary mechanism to make us better adapted for climbing and holding rough things and each person on the planet have different finger-prints, was Evolutions intention that each person will hold things and climb in a million different ways?

If DNA clearly identify an individual, This proves that Evolution is smarter than we believe. Evolution provided the most powerful mechanism for crime fighting. Could this infinitely dense point that birthed Evolution also be the source of the Spiritual concept of JUSTICE?

Fake Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye says here that, "You cannot have a reasonable conversation with an Anglican Christian, because they are sworn to Secret Directives they won't tell you about. This is part of what the Lord meant about people preferring Darkness to Light.

Bronchitis Oaroloye refuse to resign from his fake ministry, he reminds me of the corrupt South African president Jacob Zuma.

If you want to know the difference between DARK and LIGHT, examine the darkness Bronchitis Oaroloye and Pres Jacob Zuma
and compare it with the LIGHT of TB Joshua.

Bronchitis Oaroloyes hatred started about 30yrs ago with the Pentecostal PFN when the HOLY SPIRIT chose to work through the SCOAN CHURCH and the humble and kind man, prophet TB Joshua. Their envy and jealousy spilled over to outright attacks on this innocent man.

As their destructive plans failed year after year, they fabricate new LIES. As a result the SCOAN IS THE MOST INVESTIGATED CHURCH ON EARTH.
No pastor alive has been investigated more thoroughly by independent international investigative teams and the government -
They have all published their findings of INNOCENT.

But the hatred spewed toward Prophet TB Joshua from pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye and his Pentecostal masters continues to this day. Thank God for the incredible transparency provided by SCOAN'S Emmanuel TV, the whole world can investigate the TRUTH of this church.

Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye was born to hate, thats why he is now attacking other churches and the disciples of Jesus. He is hoping to get sympathy from unregistered Atheists but that is also failing because he fails to realize the shifting needs of Non- Fee paying Atheists.

Study EMMANUEL TV for only one day, any day of the week and see why the Pentecostal PFN hate this church !!
The SCOAN IS NOT A RELIGION. IT IS ABOUT EVIDENCE OF A TRUE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. Emmanuel TV is the worlds most powerful spiritual learning tool the modern world has ever witnessed.

Even JEWISH leaders AND Muslims agreed that it was their study using EMMANUEL TV that opened their eyes to the hidden TRUTH about Jesus.

manikal:
Concentration produces STRONG attention. But the key is , where does your ATTENTION LIE?
If you knew the soil would grow any seed[thought] no matter how bad you were or are. What would you plant??

Obviously, the very best. And the very best thought has to be LOVE OR GRATITUDE for the Original CAUSE or popular know as GOD.
'Love thy Lord With all thy HEART[Emotional brain], AND ALL THY MIND[Logical Brain] - Even the bible acknowledges the existence of two brains. We use the logical brain to enter the realm of feeling - In this case , a feeling of gratitude for ALL THAT IS.

This contemplation can be done absolutely anywhere. In fact, the crowded areas are even more favorable.

No much talk , practice makes perfect

- Steady yourself with a couple of deep breaths.
- Observe everything you see , physically and mentally [thought]
- Ask yourself, is this cause or effect?
- Then mentally follow the effect down to its root.
- As you get better , slowly start QUESTIONING every thought to know its CAUSE.

Here is a brief example from my thought process.

- The wooden chair i sit upon flashes through my mind
- So i hold it as my meditation
- First off all , i consider chairs and the hard comfort it is providing me right now.
- Considering what this chair really is next
- First off , i consider ALL THE PEOPLE involved in the process. From cutting the tree , to transporting it , to even those that built roads which were used to transport them. I also consider THERE LINEAGES till the very first which HAD TO COME FROM GOD or FIRST CAUSE.
- Next , i consider all the NATURAL MIRACLES involved in the process. The ORIGINAL SEED , the WONDERS OF THE SOIL , THE EFFECT OF RAIN AND SUN ON THE GROWTH OF THIS TREE. Consequently i have to contemplate the Sun and the earth and the rain to fully see the life of this chair.
- This us just an example and i have not even started considering the other aspects of the chair like TECHNOLOGY INVOLVED which obviously attracts contemplation about INTELLIGENCE. Be creative with it. Think about the WHOLE CHAIR , WITH ALL THE PARTS. NAILS , EVERYTHING.

It must not necessarily be a chair. This is just to give your intellect an idea of how to use mental association to understand the magnificence of the First Cause.

As you progress , start doing this to HUMANS AS WELL. Try to view the CAUSE not the EFFECT.

Mr A : Stupid girl
Self Aware Girl : What is speaking? Thoughts obviously!
Why do they form together to call me stupid?
Would the ORIGINAL THOUGHT or FIRST CAUSE call me stupid?
No , Obviously. Therefore this particular THOUGHT PROCESS MUST BE MALFUNCTIONING[or ignorant] and the ONLY WAY i can help him is to PRAY THAT he comes to his senses or comes to KNOW.

Matt 5:44
But i Tell you , Love your enemies , and pray for those who persecute you, that you MAY be SONS of your FATHER in heaven.

Aaah !! this topic is so refreshing. Your ideas on meditation are very powerful while at the same time you teach practitioners the importance of protecting their spirits from the serious spiritual dangers connected to most forms of meditation especially the meditations taught by
pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye. Meditation opens one up to demonic attacks if the first cause, Jesus, God, love is not a large part of it.

Never include ideas from FICTIONAL HOAXES such as Criminal Scientology, Drug induced Nagualism, Celestine Prophecy and Lapsom Rampa. IT IS DANGEROUS EVEN IF THE NARRATIVE APPEARS REAL. Satan can appear as light, but your experience will be very dark.

Well done Manikal !!

Martinez19:
Under no condition should we attribute coincidence to a God somewhere. If you do, you are in for a long thing.

You right for the first time. Coincidence can only be a creation of a Singularity, which is the Atheists god of creation, but without intelligence.

An Atheist just told me that a Singularity is a dense point. So I wont go further.

ValentineMary:
First of all, the big bang or evolution is not an atheist thing. The big bang was even proposed by a catholic priest. And the big bang is not nothing to something, it's the expansion space and energy from a singularity which is an infinitely dense point that is zero dimensional. Evolution makes use of the molecules brought about from the condensation of energy from the big bang to bring life that can replicate so the big bang is independent of evolution but evolution is not independent of the big bang.

And if the Sun and moon were not to be in it's position, and water could be found on earth not withstanding, life would simply adapt to meet such conditions. Evolution is about adaptation and survival of the fittest.
The universe can't be the work of an intelligent being intended for human when 99.999% of the universe would immediately kill us, it only shows that we adapted to this earth's condition. If we leave earth without a space suit, we would melt due to the little atmospheric pressure.

Interesting !! I mean the proof that all life came from a singularity, which is an infinitely dense point that is zero dimensional.

These facts make me feel better about myself. my best friends call me dense. But knowing that a zero dimensional dense point is a Singularity make me an exception.

Evolution cleverly uses the molecules that it takes from the BIG BANG to produce this variety of life. But I battle to understand why this awesome Singularity imprinted humans with finger-prints and DNA ?

Babacele:
oh I do not know about all that sir but I'm sure the Soul an attribute of God does not die.

This Satanic FAKE minister don't know the difference between FICTION and REALITY.

He believes that it is the RAPE VICTIMS FAULT IF THEY ARE RAPED.

HE Called one of the young RAPE VICTIMS that testified in court about the RAPE of Pastor Timothy a BITCH.

Bronchitis Oaroloye called the RAPE VICTIM A BITCH !!

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

What do you know about:

THE MANIFEST SONS OF GOD.

BODYFELT SALVATION.

SCIENTOLOGY.

TENSEGRITY.

THE CELESTINE PROPHECY?

I am not a FAN of ROSICRICIAN AMORC.

When I think of Rosicrucianism, I remember how, toward the end of his life, Nigerian AMORC'S most illustrious member, CHIEF OBAFEMI AWOLOWO, was basically running around, looking for IMMORTALITY SECRETS.

Which tells me that REAL Knowledge is being withheld from the BLACKS. You probably even believe the Egyptians were WHITE OYINBOS, right?

Professor Richard De Mille has released his findings into how authors of FICTION deceive millions of readers of their NOVELS into believing that their drug induced FICTIONAL fantasy is reality.

Not even Atheist members of the INNER CIRCLE of prophet Richard Dawkins believe any of the FICTIONAL HOAXES that Bronchitis Oaroloye present here as if it is reality.

Every time the dreaded PENTECOSTAL PNF under-cover agent, Bronchitis Oaroloye opens his foul mouth to destroy the work Of the HOLY SPIRIT in the SCOAN CHURCH stadiums are filled around the world, millions of people raise their hands praising JESUS CHRIST for sending prophet TB JOSHUA and NOT the Satanic pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye.

Millions REJOICE that TB JOSHUA preach that RAPE IS A SIN !!

RAPE IS A SIN !!

This Satanic pastor will strongly condemn the Holy prophet TB JOSHUA for preaching this and copy and paste all LIES about this truly humble and caring man.

I can only advise to wake up to the fact that FICTION is not reality.
Pornography is FICTIONAL.

oaroloye:
[b]SHALOM![/b]How dare you talk about "CULTS," when SCOAN is clearly a CULT, and YOURSELF a TYPICAL FANATICAL CULTIST, who might, if you were not so cowardly to hide your face, might be seen to FOAM AT THE MOUTH!

I would not be surprised if no single Pastor in PENTECOSTAL FELLOWSHIP OF NIGERIA has even HEARD the names LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD, LOBSANG RAMPA, CARLOS CASTANEDA, JAMES REDFIELD, MICHAEL HARNER, LYNN ANDREWS, OR RICHARD PERSIG.

Since literacy is so widespread, many of them should have. But of those who might know those names, I doubt that as many as 1% of then might know any of their teachings or own any of their books.

Lol !! You right, no members of SCOAN or the millions of viewers of Emmanuel TV will buy or read the pretentious fiction novels you are pushing down their throats. LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD, LOBSANG RAMPA, CARLOS CASTANEDA, JAMES REDFIELD, MICHAEL HARNER, LYNN ANDREWS, OR RICHARD PERSIG are all pretentious fiction novels. Fiction is lies.
No truth is needed in fiction, even if the authors spin the lies to make it appear truthful. It is a common sales ploy used by greedy frauds.

Why would any of them waste their time with your crap, when they are busy with the highest truth and mind-blowing practical demonstrations of superior results 24hrs per day, 7 days per week. They all have seen and understood the truth of Jesus' promise when Jesus said, "If you drink from my living water, you will never thirst again." The living water, the true words of God, the most effective life transforming words. SCOAN members will never thirst for cheap fictional substitutes because they have finally witnessed the highest truth. The thirst of their hearts are quenched forever, the search is over.

Your pretentious fiction may serve as entertainment, but can never take the lofty highest place of the Gospels as the scientifically verifiable evidence proves to the whole world.

The cruel and jealous actions of your Pentecostal PFN's and their viscious attacks against the kind gentle SCOAN church could be the consequence of embracing fiction.
FICTION IS DRIVEN BY LIES, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE TRUTH FOR ITS EXISTENCE !!

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly. You are on point . Let me see them try to deny it

Allow me to disagree on only one point Sir. Atheists wont deny the findings of that study.

But, what they will deny is that their lust for Pornography is destroying the lives of many young children that are forced to produce thousands of sick movies to satisfy the Atheist demand.

KingEbukasBlog:
You have to provide stats to prove that most Christians commit fornication and adultery or you are committing the faulty generalization fallacy

Recent studies have revealed that all Atheists accept pornography as natural and essential for adult entertainment. Therefore fornication/masturbation is hectic among Atheists because of this fantasy driven delusion.

The failure to distinguish between reality and fiction becomes blurred and as a sad consequence many actually believe in fictional novels and in desperation form religious CULTS from the fictional novels of Celestine Prophecy, Lopsam Rampa, Nagualism and Scientology and many others. Pentecostal Pfn pastors have started to include these fictional hoaxes into their ministry as if it was Gospel. Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye is a prominent example of this madness. Things may change for him now that he has denounced membership of the Pentecostal PFN. Though I dont believe him.

ValentineMary:
Okay, I really do hate it when any Dick and Harry comes out and define the big bang how he/she wants to. Foe goodness sake the big bang brought about the planets. How then could 2 planets collision bring about the big bang I also heard one religious folk say that the big bang was when something from the cloud fell and brought all life forms. WTF!!! And honestly dude I doubt Richard Dawkins said that. I mean he is a prof of evolutionary biology men, give him some respect in his field. He has been studying this stuff for decades and I doubt u have ever entered a biology class before.
BTW the big bang did not bring life. Evolution did.

Seriously dude I thought this topic has been trashed by nairalanders a long time ago? let me explain something, we adopted to these conditions.If the Sun was farther than it is now, a different life form would evolve that would adapt to it with different physiology and anatomy different from what we have now.
Let me give u an eg. In the Mariana trench which is the deepest point on earth found in the Pacific, it is expected that no life form can survive such pressure.Any organism there would not survive and moreover there would be little or no diffused oxygen. But guess what? when researchers went there on a submarine, they found fishes that adapted to the harsh conditions there. Is this coincidence, I don't think so. it's adaptation.

Who is this ? My mention was addressed to Martinez19 !! But I like your take on what would happen if the sun was farther away. Mmmm interesting !! So could Evolution bring life independent of the Atheists BIG BANG ? Are you saying that the BIG BANG is the result of nothing banging into nothing to produce the planets?

And what do you think would have happened if as a coincidental result of this BIG BANG, the Sun had to set in the North and the Moon was 3000km farther than it is now ?

Atheists believe that the ACCIDENTAL BIG BANG with all its random life forms are too primitive to associate it with an intelligent creator.

Martinez19:
Coincidence can be astonishing. Coincidence is never planned and more damaging is the fact that christians and other religious folks take coincidence to be the act of God. Coincidence will always occur and as I have said can be astonishing. Before I continue, let's look at some of the most astonishing coincidences

1) G is the 7th letter of the alphabet, G for Germany.
Germany has seven letters. Germany was in the 7th
group of the world cup played in July(7th month).
They ended the group stage with 7 points, against
Brazil, they scored seven goals. They won the world
cup.

2) Mrs Violet Jesse survived the sinking of the Titanic
and Britannic. She also survived the collision
Olympic and Hawke. She was a catholic, other
religious folks died in that encounter o. The church
collapse in uyo had christians die horribly.

If Nigeria were Germany in that world cup, you know what the religious folks, who believe in 7 being a number of perfection, would say. Coincidence could be your team winning when you prayed but don't forget that some else prayed for the opposition team .
Don't forget that atheists and christians have all fallen from tall buildings at survived. Who are we to thank?

REASON WHY COINCIDENCE HAPPENS
1) It happens because a lot of humans have lived in the past, with different environments and in different scenarios such that all most all possible ways one can live his life has been played out.
2) coincidence that looks like a trend or follow a particular pattern is due to a person living in the same environment which others lived in before him and likely with similar purpose as them.

HopefulLandlord, KingEbukasBlog, HardMirror, Johnydon22, otemanuduno, analice107, sciencewatch and Co.

I asked how people define coincidence and a 7yrs old gave me this; A coincidence is a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances which have no apparent causal connection with each other.

It is disturbing that you choose to discuss coincidences then sharply change direction toward insulting religious people. It would have been a positive contribution to Nairaland if you had simply focused on COINCIDENCE ? Or is this more evidence of an Atheist abandoned to the outskirts of Atheism's coveted INNER CIRCLE ?

Martinez19, it is interesting to note that you did not mention the coincidental belief of your modern prophet of Atheism. Your prophet Richard Dawkins preach that life evolved from the coincidental collision of two planets that went out of orbit - The BIG BANG.

Martinez19, could you shed more light on this disturbing Coincidence for us, we notice that the Sun and the Moon plays a vital role in the survival of life on earth. Scientist say that if the Sun or the Moon was not on exactly where it is, LIFE WOULD NOT EXIST ON THIS PLANET.
Wow. what a coincidence !! The accidental BIG BANG has produced many coincidental marvels.

notjonbellion:
Lol
What a confused religion

Atheism is far worse. I am not even beginning to make a fair comparison.
What I really mean is that I would rather chose Islam over Atheism every day.

Yes every day, put a gun to my head and say chose Atheism over Islam or die. I WILL CHOOSE ISLAM !

Atheism is a hate driven ideology, see how Atheist behave when they debate religious people on internet Blogs !!

Islam produce caring, respectable communities, Islam teaches their followers about the mighty Jesus Christ. It is the only religion that has included Jesus into their Holy Book, with at least some of the truths about Jesus. Many advanced Muslims are learning more about the hidden truths and practical spiritual power of Jesus through the worlds most powerful spiritual learning channel, Emmanuel TV.

Muslims, so-called Christians and Jews alike are coming out in public to testify that after studying Emmanuel TV, they finally believe that Jesus is who the Gospels say He is.

ATHEISM HAS FAILED MISERABLY AFTER MORE THAN TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF BATTLE TO DESTROY WORLD RELIGIONS.
ATHEISM HAS FAILED TO DESTROY THEIR ARCH ENEMY, CHRISTIANITY.
Every time an Atheist curse, stadiums world wide are filled with people of all religious backgrounds lift their hands singing and praising God through the mighty name of JESUS.

Jesus never came to destroy other religions, but to offer entry into a higher level of reaching God.

Right now as we speak, Atheism is on its death-bed, the real name of their god, NO-GOD has been leaked from their INNER CIRCLE.

notjonbellion:
.......

What happened Notjonbellion ? I see you have replied with seven dots.
Can it be Morse Code ? You used seven dots here !

If you say it is Morse Code, then your spelling is bad, because you inserted no dashes nor spaces.
Learn to send a SOS to other non-paying Atheists when you run out of ideas to destroy world religions.
For the sake of your self-respect, I sincerly advise you to pay the low Atheism membership fees of only 27,000 Naira monthly to your modern prophet of Atheism, R,Dawkins.

NotJonbellion please lift yourself by your Atheist shoe-laces and register for the incredible offer made by your prophet Richard Dawkins,
his website says that for only 14.5million Naira members can have one meal with him per year and gain entry to the coverted INNER CIRCLE.

Stop supporting you precious beliefs in Atheism with words and Data only !!

Talk is cheap.
Put your money where your mouth is !!
Everyone can talk, only the sincere ones will open their wallet.

UncleSnr:
You theist should stop disturbing our peace by making noise through loudspeakers mounted in your place of worship and also stop sharing your false beliefs via all mediums then we can discuss on LOGIC.

OK ! about the loudspeakers, we will turn it down for you because you are an Atheist. You dont say what level of Atheism you have attained, but since your complaint only have the keywords; Loudspeakers, worship, false beliefs and LOGIC, forgive me if I assume that you are a low level non-fee paying member of Atheism.

Are you now ready to debate Atheism using only the lowest MENTAL FACULTY called LOGIC ?

LOGICALLY I have the right to ask you to post evidence of your Atheism membership certificate to clear any uncertainty.
If you are an honorable registered member of Atheism you will be treated with respect when you debate with religious persons on the highly respected Nairaland RELIGIOUS SECTION. As you have witnessed here, Unregistered Atheists are not taken seriously for good reason.

I have recently received an email from an INNER CIRCLE registered Atheist living in America, the contents will certainly bring much relief to Atheist that are too selfish to support Atheism financially.

This email contains secret details outlining the future of Atheism.

It also contain guidance of how Atheism will address their belief in NO-GOD.
It further outlines the true motives of Atheism that broke non-paying members will never know.
The email reveals the their God, which is NO-GOD has been named 40yrs ago, but the lowest class of unregistered Atheists wont know this.
He says in his email that there are only two recognized classifications for all Atheists which are; COWARD ATHEIST or BRAVE ATHEIST.
The email contains detailed information as to why these two classifications have been accepted by the INNER CIRCLE of Atheism.

May the light be with you. !!

notjonbellion:

Suck it

From Notjonbellions deluded behavior one can deduce that he is a cheap skate low level Atheist who cant afford the low monthly membership fees that his prophet Richard Dawkins demand. The monthly fees are a low 27,000 Naira.

Will he ever reach the INNER CIRCLE of Atheism and have one meal per year with his prophet ?
This will only cost 14.5 million Naira per year with advanced training on how to effectively destroy world religions. Not this crap that we witness here daily.

notjonbellion:
Lol
What a confused religion

What are Low level Non-fee paying Atheists like Notjonbellion doing on religious topics when they arrogantly claim that they hate world religions ?
What are you doing on religious topics Notjonbellion when you are an unregistered Atheist. Go pay your membership fees to your prophet of Atheism Richard Dawkins then maybe we can debate on your inability to use reason to verify truth.

Go do the LOGICAL thing ! Pay your monthly membership fees. Dont remain a cheap skate and let your Atheism organization suffer.

OLAADEGBU:
Atheism is diagnosed as intellectual schizophrenia!

I agree with you Sir and notjonbellion makes it all too obvious.
When medical science published its shocking findings on Atheism, It took me 5 weeks to accept it as real.

There scientific findings shocked even Atheist scientists. It came as an embarrassment even to the hardened scientific team.

Something interesting emerged recently that point to another reason for the rapid drop in the global Atheist population. The prophet of modern Atheism, Dawkins recently criticized Atheists for failing to pay their monthly membership fees of only 27,000 Naira.

notjonbellion:
Lol
What a confused religion

What are Atheists doing on religious topics when they arrogantly claim that they hate world religions ?
What are you doing on religious topics when you are an unregistered Atheist. Go pay your membership fees to your prophet of Atheism Richard Dawkins then maybe we can debate on your inability to use reason to verify truth.

Go do the LOGICAL thing ! Pay your monthly membership fees. Dont remain a cheap skate and let your Atheism organization suffer.

notjonbellion:
why do you want to minister to them. I don't see or hear of Jews rubbing their religion in everyone's face. you christians so fukking conceited about your religion and feel that you have a right to preach to all while other minorities shut up

You are cursing and swearing like an Atheist that cant believe that after fighting to destroy world religions for more
than 2000 yrs,

You are losing. Atheists are dropping to an all time low at only mergre 1.8% of the global population today and shrinking like a penis with erectile dysfunction.

This sudden drop in the global Atheist population came quickly after the Atheists god called science, published its findings after a 22yr study of Atheism.
The finding came as a shock !! The evidence proved that Atheism is a mental illness.

notjonbellion:
hmmm
See the way religion has assfukked this ones brain

The Nairalander, Arronsrod you are savagely insulting is responding brilliantly to the topics. You are disrespecting Nairalands rules: 1, 2, 3, and 4 Asshole

Pull yourself together !!

notjonbellion:
Sir fukktard
You have come again eh

No I did not come. You wrong again.
Did you come because you committed adultery ? Or are you the guy with serious erection problems ?

noobtheloser:
Moral teachings like what?
Stoning a person for committing adultery?
Death for apostasy?
Stoning a person to death for breaking the sabbath?
These "moral" teachings don't sound so moral to me.

I see your point, but then you should debate this with the Jews.
Your points dont apply to Christianity !!

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



If you are a Witness, why don't you ask the Guilty Parties?

PAUL said that all that is needed for Salvation is to confess that Yahshua is Lord.

These idiots evidently believed him.

Most Christians that have been fooled by the preaching of FAKE PASTOR Bronchitis Oaroloye will go on to commit fornication and adultery, if they are not careful they may progress to RAPE because according to fake pastor Oaroloye IT IS THE RAPE VICTIMS FAULT IF THEY ARE RAPED.

Then you can take a lesson from pastor BO and ease your conscience by insulting all Jesus Christ's disciples.

Martinez19:
you and Richard Dawkins ehn, na wa o.

On a serious note, atheist are free guys and their level of conviction differ. Some later become christians, muslims or mere deist. There have been strong atheists giving their life to christ or converting to deist on their death beds . In time past, being an atheist was like committing suicide except you kept it to yourself. Besides, atheism is not the popular choice, strong atheists are mostly those that abandoned religion . So all this may have played a role in limiting the number of atheist.

I checked about Richard Dawkins and I saw an article on his fraud, I will look into it. By the way, I maintain that religion is all lies and deception but I am not sure on the existence of a God. If there is a God, he is certainly not of any religion. However, the God people see in near death experiences make sense die.

Converting on their death bed seems like a good choice. But then there will only be 10 minutes to quickly experience the knowledge of that ultimate God. But it is is better than nothing.

While investigating prophet Dawkins you will find that he is a worthy prophet of Atheism, Ruthless and greedy !!
It is interesting to note that you have just repeated your belief that religion is ALL lies, this is exactly what your prphet of modern Atheism preaches all the time.

I wonder why you would rather believe in a God that only reveals himself in near death experiences. Is it because Atheists chose to accept God on their death bed ?

It does not seem respectful to call your prophet a fraudster, I will rather leave that to you.

Yawn !! Yawn !!

Are we all hard of hearing ?
Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye continues to make defamatory statement against RAPE VICTIMS then aggressively defend his statements only to start fresh and insult the victims of RAPE while defending a Pastor arrested for RAPING AND TRAFFICKING MORE THAN 40 YOUNG GIRLS.

Pastor B.Oaroloye arrogantly defends himself in the OP by shouting, " Why then should anyone dare disrespect ME, because I SAID that RAPE VICTIMS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN RAPES? When my every distasteful-seeming words is BACKED by THE LORD, and by PROPHET MOSES? I am careful with what I say, because I LOVE MY NEIGHBOURS, and would NEVER mislead them.

Pastor BO recently defended imprisoned pastor Timothy by insulting one of the young RAPE VICTIMS that testified in court by referring to her as a BITCH.

For emphasis, I repeat what he said above, "I am careful with what I say, because I LOVE MY NEIGHBOURS, and would NEVER mislead them."

Is this the actions of a man with love for others ? Can this pastor preach RAPE IS NOT A SIN, then in the same breath say, "I am careful with what I say, because I LOVE MY NEIGHBOURS, and would NEVER mislead them."

Can a pastor preach that RAPE VICTIMS ARE TO BLAME FOR THEIR OWN RAPE, than with the same breath say. "I am careful with what I say, because I LOVE MY NEIGHBOURS, and would NEVER mislead them.


I appeal to all FAKE PASTORS to repeat the mantra together !! I am careful with what I say, because I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS, and would NEVER mislead them.

AGAIN !! I am careful with what I say, because I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS, and would NEVER mislead them.

This pastor LOVES you so much he will feed you FICTIONAL SPIRITUAL FANTASY NOVELS sourced from hoaxes such as, Criminal Scientology and Drug induced Nagualism while preach the reality of the Bible with abundance of out of context scriptures.
the result is like a wedding cake recipe gone horribly wrong.

Martinez19:
I don't know how to answer this question, given the fact that there is no such thing as a prophet of atheism and how does the number of atheists have to with the unification of atheists?

If Atheists were unified the numbers would grow and they would have a more effective strategy to destroy world religions.

The real problem is Atheists inherent selfishness. They wont pay there monthly Membership fees and get proper tuition.

Martinez19:
I don't know how to answer this question, given the fact that there is no such thing as a prophet of atheism and how does the number of atheists have to with the unification of atheists?

No Problem, The answers dont all come easy, thats why you must make time to get to the truth about that question.

Why have Atheist numbers dropped down to a low 1.8% globally ?

There is an Atheist you may know, he is called Hond on Nairaland. He is now in America recruiting only what he calls "Brave Atheists" The ones that dont troll religious sites to insult peoples beliefs. He sent me an email thanking me for asking him to make time to examine Emmanuel TV without bias, to my surprise he said that he was shocked by what he saw. It opened his mind to new possibilities.

He also commented that with the Atheists levels dropping so low, he is planning to choose a winning side. I said yes, it is typical Atheist thinking. Lol !!

Martinez19:
There is no such thing as a prophet of atheism. Goodbye

You come across as the most decent Atheist I have ever met on Nairaland. You are upset, yet you maintain a sense of respect toward your ILLOGICAL DEBATER.

Good bye, Martinez19 I learned so much from our dialogue.

But It would have been fair if you answered at least one of my questions, because I have dealt with most of yours.

Answer just one and we call it quits ?

Question 1 " If you consider the Atheists numbers world-wide, would you be brave enough to at least agree that all those prophets were ineffective in unifying Atheists.

Martinez19:
Religions are placed under the authorities of nonexistent gods people believe are real. Without the belief in these gods, religion collapses. It is not so with atheism, Dawkins or no Dawkins atheism will still be around. Atheism is man using his senses, reasoning and evidence to say that religious gods are bunks. Religion is man's foolishness in embracing claims without evidence. Christopher Hitchens became an atheist without Dawkins influence but you can't belong to any religion without accepting it's god or gods as real.

Don't make the mistake of associating the origin of modern atheism with Dawkins, atheism is atheism. Religious folks and atheists may have good and bad people but this in no way changes what atheism is. If you make that mistake of associating atheism with Dawkins sole authority, I will just ignore you henceforth.

There you go again Martinez19, I am beginning to like you but the LOGIC man, The LOGIC !

Lets continue our debate but limit it to the use of the LOGIC, the lowest mental faculty ONLY.

Your LOGIC proves to you that as you claim, "Religions are placed under the authorities of nonexistent gods people believe are real. Without the belief in these gods, religion collapses." Ok lets take it from there !

Atheists also have a god, but they call it NO-GOD. So we all watch them running helter skelter over the internet protecting their NO-GOD.

Have you noticed how Atheists will insult you if you present a GOD that is in competition with their NO-GOD because they believe that their NO-GOD created the universe and all life and came into existence through the historic ACCIDENT CALLED THE BIG BANG.

Using only the lowest LOGIC we can examine just one more point you respectfully made here.
You said in your attack against your prophet of Atheism, "Christopher Hitchens became an atheist without Dawkins influence."

So using LOGIC we can agree that you are saying nothing meaningful in your defense of broke non paying members of Atheism/
A low level counter argument will prove that millions of Muslims became Muslim without influence of the Kalifar or for that matter the holy prophet Muhammed(Pbuh). Most Muslims will easily prove that they never met the holy prophet(pbuh)

Martinez19:
Religions are placed under the authorities of nonexistent gods people believe are real. Without the belief in these gods, religion collapses. It is not so with atheism, Dawkins or no Dawkins atheism will still be around. Atheism is man using his senses, reasoning and evidence to say that religious gods are bunks. Religion is man's foolishness in embracing claims without evidence. Christopher Hitchens became an atheist without Dawkins influence but you can't belong to any religion without accepting it's god or gods as real.

Don't make the mistake of associating the origin of modern atheism with Dawkins, atheism is atheism. Religious folks and atheists may have good and bad people but this in no way changes what atheism is. If you make that mistake of associating atheism with Dawkins sole authority, I will just ignore you henceforth.

I can agree with you that through out history their was a long line of ineffective prophets of Atheism. If you consider the Atheists numbers world-wide, would you be brave enough to at least agree that all those prophets were ineffective in unifying Atheists.

Or is that failure a serious symptom of the selfishness of Atheists that want to benefit from Atheism without contributing to the advancement of the movement ? Your argument leans sharply in this direction. Now when you hear that you must pay your way, you suddenly abandon your savior and mentor, Prophet R.Dawkins to wallow along the edges of Atheism without proper foundation and structure. Because of this weakness, there are abundant evidence on most Atheist blogs that they have no intelligent structure in their mission to destroy Christianity and Islam. All because too many Atheists are self-centered and selfish, which by the way is a symptom of a dark spirit. Low level Atheist sponge off the sacrifices others made at huge personal cost.

Pay the membership fees and become an Atheist with self respect.

Martinez19:
Sciencewatch, Richard Dawkins might have invented his own kind of atheism(according to you) and people might have dived in. Most atheist on nairaland like hopefulLandlord, HardMirror, Johnydon22, Seun himself did not become atheist MAINLY because of Dawkins but at of well founded reasons. There are some that didn't know Dawkins when they converted to atheism.

Before Richard Dawkins was born, there have been atheists. Two of the founding father's of quantum mechanics, Erwin Schrödinger and Paul Dirac, we're atheists. They were born way before Dawkins. People abandone religion worldwide not because they want to follow Richard Dawkins but because they have well founded reasons that religion is false and is a cunning fabrication.

If Dawkins was not born at all, there would still be a lot of atheists worldwide. Calling Richard Dawkins the prince and authority of atheism is an error on your own part. Atheism simply means the belief in the fact that there are not gods or a God. A person's character, wrongdoing, evil nature or habits has no bearing on what atheism is all about neither can it change the meaning of atheism. Stop putting atheism under the authority of Dawkins.

I hear you Sir. Tell us under whose authority do you place Islam, Christanity and Judaism ?

Every respected movement has protocols to follow. The Prophet of Modern Atheism decreed that Atheists pay membership fees and then proceed through the various levels. An atheist that dont know their prophet Dawkins is like a Muslim that dont know the holy prophet Muhammed(pbuh) or like a Christian that dont know Jesus and so on.

If I was an Atheist, I would not create arguments to save money by refusing to follow respected protocol. I would quickly pay the membership fees that Prophet Richard Dawkins demand so that I can start to progress to higher levels. If I claim to be an ethical or moral Atheist I would discard selfishness and support my precious beliefs that consume so much of my data.