₦airaland Forum

airmark:
Your post has holes all over it. How do you rate a player's individual brilliance if goals and assists are not major? You think recycling ball is the only thing in individual brilliance? Can you tell me what is crucial in an attacking midfielder if assists and goals wont count? Ronaldinho preferred lampard to iniesta that time because of his goals and though he didnt mention it, ronaldinho would have benefited from his assists too.



Art of goal-scoring is not individual brilliance, right ? You should be the commander-in-chief of 'Up barka' fans.

You can't be talking of a player's individual brilliance and be limiting it to goals and assists bro. It doesn't work. So many factors have to be taken into consideration. such as: goals and assists, tactical skills,long and short range pass, creativity,on-the-ball mastery, tricks and ball control, dribbles, ability to dictate play, soak pressure, produce moments of magic and show up when it matters most.
Lampard trumps the Don in goal scoring+assists based on stats but lags in every other factor.
Iniesta, with his lesser goals+assists have not only appeared in the biggest of stages, but delivered top notch performances to ensure his team won. Can same be said of Lampard? What then are the usefulness of all the goals+assists if none has helped his team in the biggest stages?
Iniesta's few goals+assist did not only ensure his country become a force to reckon with in the world of football, he was a major force in the scheme of things.
Madrid, Man U, Juve, Arsenal, netherlands, Germany can all testify to Iniesta's brilliance having been on the receiving end due to his few goal+assists on the biggest stages. What can we say about your messiah?
Why can't he at anytime produce just a moment of magic to save his country from embarrassment? Instead of proving answers, you will be giving us excuses.
A typical Shekpite

Airmark my guy!
Are you seriously tipping Lampard over Iniesta when talking about players individual brilliance? Even hesben cannot make such a statement bro. Just stick to the goals and assists you guys have been using as yardstick

airmark:
George weah didn't experience world cup in his life, he never won ucl. Does that mean strikers that won ucl in the past, should be rated higher than him? We are talking of player's individual brilliance, you are asking foolish question on something that is majorly determined by team's effort. Meanwhile, it is on record that lampard's goal against germany in the world cup q/final, was one of the reasons for innovation of goal-line technology. Ronaldinho really curved iniesta, by asking his coach to buy lampard.

The emboldened says it all sir.
Weah never experienced world cup and still earns his respect as a great footballer. But, nobody has praised him to high heavens while down playing the heroics of those that have experienced/won it. If weah was to be a Chelsea legend, many of you Shekpites would have told us how he's greater than Ronaldo De Limas and Messi's of this world.
You also killed yourself by mentioning individual brilliance bro. You guys have been using Lamps robust stats to brag and pull down Iniesta and not individual brilliance. That shouldn't have come from you as a pry one pupil knows that Lamps does not come close to the don when talking about individual brilliance. Stay true to your robust stats bro.
We have to ask you that foolish question because you guys keep putting Lamps to where he does not belong. I know the real you wouldn't have subscribed to such a claim in the 1st place, but you just have to give support to your fellow brothers, an hallmark of a typical shekpite.

dmcdad:
There are some questions that just don't have answers walai.

Lampard is one of the very few English players I admired. I have got nothing against him until these Shekpites started elevating him more than his masters.
How you praise him to high heavens while down playing Iniesta's abilities and achievements is baffling.

dmcdad:
Funny thing about these shekpites is that, they will berate Iniesta all they want using Lampard's G+A ratio. Yet, if I ask them if he is also better than Zidane, since Zizou didn't score or assist much, they will start giving silly excuses about Zidane playing in a 4-4-2 formation blah blah blah. These guys sha... I just tire for them.

The Shekpites have three things in common!
1. They bring on contradicting excuses just to defend whatever claim they are making. They'll tell you today that Messi thrives because he has good team mates and come back tomorrow to rubbish all the players and label them average.
You'll read today how Messi and Xavi alone led Barca to glory and tomorrow list out players like Busi, Iniesta, Piqué, Puyol et all as brilliant chaps behind Barca's successes. Which one do we believe?
2. Whenever one of their popular members makes a submission, they all rush in to like and give their support without making any attempt to find out if the claim is true or not.
3. They hate and berate anything good as long as it does not come from them. And the hate becomes worse when they have been a victim of that something good

That's why they are Shekpites!

airmark:
That was in may 2014, when suarez was still a liverpool player and etoo had left barca, he was with chelsea. Dont argue like home steady. You can do better.



When your team mate prefers another player from a rival team in your position, there's a problem.




''He reminds me of myself''. Let me help you conclude his statement unedited:


''He reminds me of myself, but he is more pale than me! ''

Iniesta is a doctor, Zizou was/is a professor.

At least Zidane, who is greater than all the legends Chelsea ever produced saw himself in Iniesta. Something must be special about him.
Can you please tell us why your Messiah couldn't reach any semi final with his star studded national team with his robust stats you guys are quick to showcase?
Why has no one been able to answer that?

airmark:
Iniesta and zidane? It's like you want lightening to strike you.

Zidane is bigger than all Chelsea legends both living and dead and has this to say8)

airmark:
I was expecting you to mention a chelsea legend that wanted iniesta when lampard was still reigning. Your submission is wack like busquets' left leg.

He doesn't need to mention any Chelsea legend when the captain of the greatest team in the world cum the eternal enemy of Barca has spoken. What's the place of Chelsea in the world of footie?

airmark:
Ronaldinho understands football, more than every barca fan on this forum.

We asked you to tell us why he couldn't drag his country to any major semi final with his robust stats despite the array of stars he played with, you guys keep giving us stories.
Messi once wanted Aguero to play for Barca, does that make him better than Eto/Suarez? Any player is free to wish another player he admires play for his team.
We are talking about players who stand out and show up in the biggest of stages not someone that pads stats only to disappear when it matters most

randomperson:
Shekpe fans are a very funny set of fans sha... Comparing Lampard to Iniesta... Every team and individual honor shows iniesta's superiority by far. Whether ballon dor,world cup, Euros trophy, euros MVP, champions league, even league titles... Lemme even ask, what's lampard's greatest achievement

He's the highest goal scoring midfielder by scoring ton of goals and hundreds of assist. When we ask why he could make any of the goals+assist count for his country( even if it's just a semi final showdown), they start giving us stories. Something Turkish Umit Davala would be ashamed of.

usbcable:
You self blind?
Bring up where I did a comparison of the two.
Na your person jstbeinhonest that did the comparison.

All of una blind ni?

Cable cable, e don turn fight?
I was not even referring to your post in particular as I am sure you are not a shekpite the last time I checked.
That does not exclude you from the anti Barca crusade.

Awesome01:
If you are not saying Modric is better than Iniesta, why bring up comparison of their stats at all?
Funny, how people try to hide behind a finger.

Anyway, what do I know?

Anything goes bro, as long as it's anti Barca. Someone would wake up one day and claim Essien is better than Xavi, and you'll see guys queuing behind him in support. Anything to berate Barca goes, especially to the shekpites

ElDeeVee:
Mr Oga, I never pitched the 2 players and to me, it makes no sense to me. They were both good in their ways and were very different in terms of style of play.

However, trying to play down Lamps' achievement as a soccer legend is criminal in its entirety. Be guided accordingly..

You still fail to get my points sir! This message should be preached to the shekpe fans who have always down played Iniesta's achievements while parading Lampard as their Messiah. I make bold to say this: it's easy to down play lamps achievements as he never showed up where it mattered most as against the don who had seen it all. You can't be padding stats against the minors and fail to show up in the biggest of stages and be expecting to be ranked among the greats.
Lamps himself would give up all his goals+assists just to appear in a world cup final let alone winning it, something Iniesta did by being the main man.
So bro, as long as your guys keep berating Iniesta's achievements, Lampard remains a nobody in the world of footie. Preach to them not us!

elrony:
That picture makes me wanna have a child ASAP lol...

I can imagine how the "daddies" (diggz,Nihilist,Ibime,pa FBS,pa Elampiro,Sebod etc)this board do feel when they hold their little cuties in their arms. ..

Nothing could be more enthralling than the joy you have when the little cutie looks directly into your eyes in your arms and gives a warm smile. She's the safest in the world that moment!

raumdeuter:
In one hand they tell us all the other Barca players are useless except Messi, even Messi they told us he cant survive in a real league after scoring 17 goals vs EPL teams

In the other hand they tell us its the same team mates they called useless are the ones responsible for the success of Barcelona

We are used to all kind of twist here and there

Debroslink:
We remember Drogba above others in Chelsea's 2012 UCL win.

We remember Zidane above Henry in world cup 1998 and Euro 2000.

We remember Iniesta in world cup final 2010.



Tell me any Chelsea's biggest matches in Europe when trophies are won where you remember Lampard.

To add salt to their injury, add Tery to it.

ElDeeVee:
There is absolutely no need comparing these 2 guys. They both paid their dues in their own ways.
Iniesta was a fantastic player for Spain and Barca between 2007 and 2013 and won lovely trophies along the way. Lampard, on the other hand, had a great time playing for his club between 2003 and 2012, winning some trophies and setting some mad goal records. I am sure if you ask them both about their football careers, they will tell you they are satisfied with how things panned out. Nuff said mehn

It would have made a great sense if you had directed your post to Shekpe fans who brought up the comparison rather than Barca fans who have no choice but to defend their own.
By the way, can you please tell us why the same Lampard couldn't make any of his robust stats count for his country despite the array of stars and award winners he played with?

coded01:
Wicked!


Please dmcdad bring the Ambulance...

Some guys are thrilled by players who are good at padding stats...... I'd rather go for the ones that rise up to the occasion at the biggest stages not the ones that disappear into the thin air when they are needed most.

Ibime:
Fixed. From now on, all "Up Barka" boys should reference Lampard the Barca Killer by his proper nomenclature

While all "up Shekpe" boys should reference Iniesta the Chelsea silencer cum nightmare by his proper nomenclature

raumdeuter:
Is this an indirect dig at Ibime's weight?

No sir! I only meant he's get more experienced and better as the years roll by. So, I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years he declares Lampard a fraud since Iniesta was once his best player

You guys here are funny sha, still arguing with Ibime on this same old topic?
Ibime once claimed Iniesta was the best in the world and even declared him better than his Lord Lampard.

Years later, he changed his mind as he's become older and and well rounded. Since he'll still be getting better as he grows older, there's a high tendency that he'll still change his mind on some certain issues. And as such, don't be surprised when he looks back, check what exactly the goals and assists of Lampard helped his country achieve and couldn't get one despite the array of stars he played with, checks for his contributions in the major finals he's played and couldn't find any convincing one, he might finally declare him a fraud.

Eruditor:
Bro, I agree with Sircumalot. It is too soon. I laughed at Koscielny and De Gea their first season(s). Some criticized KDB at Chelsea. Wow, the most recent was Conte. He was trolled and trolled I thought he would outdo Mou and finish 15th. Even the great Sir Alex said CFC weren't in the title conversation. Boy, was he wrong.

I have seen the great aspects of Stones' game. That boy can pass and move with the ball almost like a world class midfielder. Watch that Tottenham game that City lost 2-0 especially the second half when Tottenham were pegged in their own half. Stones moved the ball on 3 different occasions into dangerous spots at the edge of Tottenham's box and he gave many decent passes all game.

Gaffes will come with a young player. What makes players improve is decision making. That's why Neymar has not yet been crowned WPOTY. His decisions sometimes are questionable. Same as Chamberlain, Pogba or Coman (I told A40) or any touted talent of the game.

You've got some very valid points I must confess. My problem with many English players is their inability to justify their heavy price tag. Let's just hope the case would be different with John.

I hope this board would not sell off our dear club before their tenure ends sha? Abi which one be this yeye friendly while the season is on?

SIRcumalot:
Too soon.

It's obvious already bro.

airmark:
'Up barka', they will never disappoint.

Same way up 'shekpe' don't disappoint.

Pep made a great error by signing John Stones who would have become another John Terry had he some good defenders to cover up for him. His woes are being compounded by still playing him despite his obvious errors here and there. He has himself to blame for putting so much trust in an English player.

Where una see this Ibime self? That song na something else I swear habah!

bykebyke:
He is currently the best Striker in the world..after Costa of course.

He is not to be underestimated.

Oga, I don't care if he's even the best player in the world, all I know is that he flops on the biggest stages. I don't care about such strikers. "Useless when it matters"

homesteady:
I think Higuain is better than Cavani tho'

They belong to the same family jor "useless when it matters"

homesteady:
Are you scared of him?
He should be the least of our worries! He'll miss all his chances!

That's the worst striker one can have in one's team after Higuain.

yeezyquan:
cavani tho

Cava-what? Is that the name of a player?

PSG is fast becoming our Arsenal